This is the greatest, clearest and most effective political party insignia/symbol in modern europe...

This is the greatest, clearest and most effective political party insignia/symbol in modern europe, and nothing can disprove me.

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The Scottish National Party that also happens to be socialist, unfortunately they're the shit kind of National Socialists
Also, I'm assuming you're Scottish, how's that 9% GDP deficit going?

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This man is a based Scotsman, shine on you beautiful haggis merchant

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What's the point in one if you don't have the other?
I voted Yes and I voted Leave. I think remainers and no voters are like eunuchs with no cocks as opposed to eunuchs with no balls. Remaining no voters are fully castrated.

You would willingly be giving more powers away to Brussels compared to the reasonable amount we have in parliament just now.

Try not to think in metaphors of men having their cocks and balls cut off, it's immature and detrimental to critical thinking.

I agree.

Scotland literally cannot run a deficit. They don't directly raise any of their own money, and can only spend what's awarded to them as part of the Barnett formula derived block grant.
It is literally written into UK law that Scotland cannot run a deficit.
Whether an independent Scotland runs a deficit or not is entirely in their own hands. It's fair to argue that, in order to maintain current levels of spending post-independence, they'd have to raise taxes significantly. Alternatively, if they wished to keep taxes in line with current levels, they'd have to cut spending significantly. Or, they could keep taxes and spending as they are, and run a deficit. It's almost impossible to calculate what that deficit would be, given we don't know what the tax and spend policies will be.
>be Anglo living in Scotland
>despise SNP with every fibre of my being
>similarly despise EU
>voted independence 2014
>voted Brexit
>will vote independence 2019

I voted Yes and Remain, but I no longer give a shit about the EU, it's just a useful tool to bash unionists with. If we become independent and join the EU we'll still have much more self-government than earlier. That being said, my preferred case is a Norway-type deal where we can trade with them freely without having to join the customs union or give up fishing/farming rights

The EU is on its last legs. It doesn't factor in to my decision making.

SNP are running a pedo network, get to fuck

deluded

If this were true, how would this differentiate them from the three main UK parties?

As though there's going to be an EU anyone would join in five years.
When people here find out what joining the EU actually means, they will turn against it.
We had a lower turnout at the EU referendum than any other part of the UK, because people in Scotland only care about the EU relative to independence, the only ones who don't are unionists.

The eunuch metaphor is perfectly apt. We're presuming that we are impotent, and have to choose between kowtowing to Westminister and kowtowing to Brussles.
I'd rather we kowtow to nobody.

I get you. I voted leave because I knew that Scotland would vote remain. So long as there was an overall leave vote, another referendum would be on the table.

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>anglo, anti-SNP, anti-EU

how come you're voting Yes twice? Obviously I'm Yes too but I've never met anyone in your situation before

'The EU can be fixed!' Says increasingly poor man for the seventieth time this decade.
You lot are like beaten housewives.

>get TO fuck

Having a "State Guardian" to snatch your kids for starters, plus getting kids in creches in nurseries and libraries to chant the names of pre-biblical fire deities is wrong.
Shah = King Nari = Fire Giira = Assyrian Fire deity (see my pic). Hopscotch Theatre Company need investigating.

Our Castillian friend has arrived...the fear of being taken off EU life support worries him almost as much as being taken off Catalan life support.

Scottish independence lost because all the poles, homoerectus people, terrorists, and poo in loos voted to remain so they wouldn't lose their gibs and connections to all their parasitic relatives in England.

SNP are so confused and naive that the people they target their SJW policies towards are even against them.

SNP are literally retarded.

Scottish independence is a fucking joke.

>'hurr durr we have the oil!'

The price of oil has fucking tanked. Considering how left-tarded the SNP is, you're basically going to see another Venezuela if Scotland becomes independent- it'll be heralded as some paradise before going to complete utter shit. What's worse, being the EU cucks they are, refugees are going to start assaulting the 1% Gaelic-ancestry fuckwits from every orifice- what labour they WILL undertake will be shit-tier, and will deprive the average Scot of everything.

Scotland will turn out an even worse version of Sweden. A cold shithole with hardly anything of economic note (now, at least).

The EU will be fixed.
I can smell your fear.
Och Aye for sure.

The SNP budget was built around an estimated oil price of $115/bbl in 2016, I'm not sure what the budget is built around now, probably fairy dust

Leaving everything else aside, I agree that it's a pretty aesthetic logo

>The EU will be fixed.

It already is fixed, you fucking moron. It doesn't exist for you, it never did.
What it is doing now is exactly what it is supposed to do, if you can't see this, then you are a willing dupe.
Spain is big enough to succeed on its own, but for all your redeeming qualities, you all seem politically broken.

I am sorry but where is the joke here? Scotland voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU.

I just realised - it looks like 'snip' and a ballbag. How appropriate...

Of the people who voted, sure. The people who voted to leave the UK are the least likely to have voted at all in the EU ref.

Spain is a ruin mate, their economy is based on building cars for the Germans and making drinks for us

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this, kek

Spain leaving the EU would deprive the Brits of their holiday resort. In Alicante, there's entire havens of anglo expats that just sit in English bars all day and don't speak a word of Spanish.

Just extending the boundaries to justify it to yourself that you haven't made a decision which has left you completely alone in the world and facing utter ruin and you're all too deluded to see it. You aren't a major power anymore, you have very little influence, and nobody gives a fuck about you aside from memes. Scotland will leave and no matter how you try to justify it to yourself you're finished, and will soon become an even darker more miserable rainy little impoverished island of shit-throwing binge-drinking degenerate scummers. And GTFO our country too.

It felt so good didn't it?

That surprises me. I was part of English Scots for Yes. I know a lot of people who think like me. Things that motivate me are sovereignty and power being distributed at the right levels. Scotland is badly run by default, because of the way power is distributed, not fundamentally because of the people who exercise that power.
1/3rd of independence voters voted Brexit. I've got no doubt that virtually all of them will vote independence in 2019. These are people who fundamentally disagree with the principle of ceding sovereignty to estranged political establishments.
To those who would question my patriotism: I'm a proud and patriotic Englishman. I can only foresee positive implications for my country of birth and the country I've made my home, if Scotland gets its independence. An English constitutional convention would have to be held, to establish a new political order. Outwith violent revolution, which I don't want, I see no other path to that.

IIRC 3% of residents in spain are British pensioners

Have you seen all the unfinished houses/hotels that have come to a standstill and been abandoned. I go to the Canary's every year and I see them, just rotting away. All that concrete and the metal bars in the concrete just left to rot in the sun.

Sad really.

Because they are serfs of the EU, and are too committed to the ideology to recognise that the EU is spreading rot through their country and telling them that the solution is more EU.

I'm Scottish, and I'm pro-independence. Hence why I'm anti-EU.
Poverty is better than humiliation. I've experienced both. :DD

>flag
keep crying over Gibraltar faggot, and how's that unemployment rate going for you?

Holy shit, an Englishman with his head screwed on straight!
I thought you all died out after the media bombing campaigns of '14.

Scottish no and leave voter here. Why don't the SNP trust the GERS figures anymore?

Scotland is more than free to leave, they had a referendum on leaving already. They will have another one at some point and they will vote against that too.

How many referendums do they need to have? 100? 200? Until you get the result that YOU want?

Retard, don't preach about muh freedom and muh poor oppressed Scotcuckland when Madrid constantly denies to even humor a Catalan referendum.

We're not like your government, we actually allow our citizens to have a choice. Now go die or something.

I haven't been to Spain since about 2007, I always went with my family and later spent the time while my parents were abroad working, I haven't left the UK since 2011
I don't doubt it though, there was some massive construction underway when I was last there, then the entire world economy shit itself

Oh, you're one of them. I literally have no interest in debating you. You're the Unionist salve to those "Scottish Resistance" lunatics and the guy who argued in court that Jesus was the rightful King of Scotland.

Don't get me wrong I wouldn't go to the place if it wasn't nice, hot and cheap but fuck me you go out and about and explore and they are everywhere.

Good on you, f a m. Your little borders tea party looked kawaii af. I've actually met plenty of ES4Y, but most of them were Greens, Europhiles, disgruntled Labourites or liberals. I'm pretty familiar with Eurosceptic ScotNats as well, but they're driven more by small-c conservatism and fishing/farming/rural worries than "muh bendy bananas" or other things that drove England to Leave. I'm pretty agnostic on the EU myself, I like what Norway do.

Never leave the tourist resorts, the rest of the country is a Mexico-esque shithole and they only shine up the city centres and tourist resorts
>One in Malaga, a friend of mine invited me to his uncles home to drink
>The trip took us out of the touristy bit and into the hills
>within 5 miles the roads were unpaved and 90% of the cars were 30 year old SEATs
>uncles home was really nice though, we drank vodka, played PS2 and I was surprisingly not raped

I thought it was a symbol for vasectomies.

The SNP hasn't said it doesn't trust GERS, which is surprising since GERS is dogshit. It's based on loose estimates based on extrapolations from UK-wide data. Some of my students asked me if we could look at the accuracy of GERS recently, and I had to tell them "no" because there's no way to drill down into the figures. I had to explain to a couple of them that my 'refusal' to look into GERS had nothing to do with any secret Unionist bias, but was simply down to the fact that no useful exercise could be drawn from it.
I suspect the SNP hasn't rubbished GERS for two reasons:
1) it's easier to tell people that you know what an independent Scotland would look like, and try to make a good case with bad data
2) The SNP has used GERS in the past to build it's case: to rubbish GERS now would call into question their past claims

The truth is, no one knows what the economic outlook would be. No serious economist doubts that Scotland would be a reasonably wealthy country, however. It may be somewhat worse off, economically speaking (at least in the short-to-medium term), or it may be slightly better off. The idea that it would become a third-world economy is, however, ludicrous and unworthy of serious discussion.

This right here .

If by fixed you mean fucked then you get a prize

I voted to remain twice. I would only change my second vote

Because the SNP know they fuck up everything they touch.