So Sup Forums always goes on about "Venezuela is socialism!" and "socialism doesn't work". However socialism does work and I did not realize that until now. I'm not an expert but some technical problem happened to the neighborhood pool, then later that week the water flooded the tennis courts. Here's what happened
>Private security do nothing as this is happening >They sit there and eat donuts >Member of Parliament won't give funds because DAT BE SOCIALISM N SHIEEET >People have this crazy idea for the community to pitch in >Voluntary go around with a bag >Collect enough money to repair the tennis courts and pool
If a socialist country that failed debunks socialism does an example of it working prove it the correct theory?
Ian Walker
Can we just annex Canada already?
Sebastian Gutierrez
Possibly the worst OP I've ever seen.
Logan Martinez
Kys
Aiden Price
>A
Oliver Perry
Ireland is socialist and I want less socialism. Any work you do in addition to your 9 to 5 is so heavily taxed that you MUST avoid paying any tax on it or its a total waste of time.
My over time is taxed at roughly 62%.
Dominic Brooks
>another retarded leaf post Day of the rake when????
Luke Rivera
>Socialists too stupid to turn a fucking valve Checks out.
David Kelly
If it weren't for socialism the company you work for could get away with paying you third world levels. It's due to socialism you have an income that can be taxed.
>He can't refute the point
Thomas Flores
I live in a socialist nation and I want to burn it down.
Brandon Martin
And where did these hard workers acquire this wealth from exactly?
Grayson Perez
>If a socialist country that failed debunks socialism does an example of it working prove it the correct theory
Not at all how logic works but why would anyone expect a fucking socialist to have gone to college for a real degree
Samuel Cooper
No one in my neighborhood works in a hands on field so no one really knew what to do, it was a bigger problem than that.
Eli Howard
>tennis courts flood >whip-round to pay for repairs >'Now I see, socialism totally works guys' Still the best argument I've heard for it all week.
Aaron Allen
You are misguided
Most work for some crazy firm in Toronto. However the company they work for makes a BUTT-TON of money, that means that there is a large portion of money they make that ISN'T paid to the working people. That shows we are all being ripped off yet we still were generous enough to do the pool/tennis fixture.
Jayden Adams
It shows that people are generous and willing to donate for their community.
Hudson Price
Why is it always a fucking leaf?
Luke Smith
Who gives fuck leaf. You live in a corpratist globalist nation and this is troll thread.
Jayden Wright
And you live in a socialist nation, you love it, and you're just trolling me for replies.
Charles Phillips
They VOLUNTARILY chipped in thats the libertarian thing to do m8
Caleb Hernandez
We aren't too socialist thankfully
Jackson Carter
But it shows people are willing to give up a little bit of what they own to others. Socialism in a nutshell.
Xavier Diaz
Why are you >implying it was the security guard's job to fix your broken pool and flooded tennis court?
Elijah Parker
If it weren't for government, I would be able to open my own company and be able to copy any ideas others had without fearing patent infringment.
Ethan Reyes
Get a job and you will find out. High tax and bad services.
Christopher Lewis
>you are misguided
It's slightly funny, but mostly sad that lefties genuinely believe this.
Lucas Price
>live in USSR >work like a slave >cant even drive a car if you wanted to because "muh needs" >die of exhaustion and/or starvation
>live in US >work at gas station >save wages for 1 month >buy car
FUCKING CAPITALISM
Julian Reyes
You're right about one thing - you're not an expert.
"Technical problem" occurs, I don't care what it is or where you are, but people designated as "private security" will never, and I mean never, be required to do anything in that situation, apart from maybe reporting it to someone else.
Secondly, the community taking it upon themselves to spend their time and/or money in the way that they decide (i.e. Fixing the pool or whatever) is an example of capitalism in motion. No government mandate or legislation or taxing was required for those people to make the decision for themselves.
Read a book and educate yourself my friend.
Gabriel King
Let me explain, was there any force applied to those that chipped in? No. In socialism opting out and not paying isnt an option you are jailed if you avoid taxes. The use of force is wrong to coerce others. And honestly you just proved that charity is the most effective form of helping the community lol. Because as you said, the government didnt bother to help.
Cooper Phillips
WRONG if company you work for pay you third world levels then you go to the competitive company that will pay you more , thats what stoping any company in capitalistic country to pay you not enough
Dylan Mitchell
Capitalism: "I will lend you the tools and give you the training to do this job but in return I want 95% of the revenue"
Socialism would take the money from both parties to give to people who don't work, want to work, or don't deserve it.
Aaron Perez
They are private security, they have a responsibilty for any town property that gets destroyed.
Except the moment the goverment allowed that you'd be competing with foreign international giants which would crush your company in an instant
At least you have a job, in capitalism you are unemployed or work in a coal mine.
>working at a gas station for a month is enough to by a car Nope, however during America's socialist era that was possible
Samuel Lewis
>If it weren't for socialism the company you work for could get away with paying you third world levels. That's ironic considering socialist countries like USSR, China, and Cambodia literally enslaved most their population.
Kayden Butler
sage
Owen Sanchez
ancap cancer deserve a gas chamber
Adam Ward
>voluntary charity is socialism Of course you're a fucking leaf.
William Collins
> voluntary collection of money > socialism
Don't know much about socialism, do you? What you saw there was actually was the Christian spirit of giving and community, dormant but gladly still present in this degenerate age. Capitalism is great but it needs Christian morality to rein in its worst excesses.
Jordan Anderson
First I want to say I disagree. I disagree because if this can be applied to the community it can be applied anywhere. People want to give money, however they feel there is no purpose if others aren't doing it. My community is small enough for people to see their money go to good work. What we need is this on a national level with taxes because otherwise people don't voluntarly do it. They want to help but don't want to give their money away where they don't know where it will end up
>that meme The Federal Reserve plays a vital role in the economy. First the invisible tax actually gains the U.S government a lot of wealth since the FED owns so much in private bonds with private banks.
Adrian Hernandez
You understand that the Venezuelans do not just "give up a little bit" of wealth right? It is forcefully taken by government compulsion via violent force. Their leaders are nutcases and the people are ruled over by an oppressive government that is concerned more with socialist ideology then the wellbeing of the people.
Evan Flores
>Nope, however during America's socialist era that was possible You're lying. At around 9/hr you make about 18,000, that's more than 1k/mo which can be sufficient to buy a cheap used vehicle. It won't be the best, but its better than driving nothing, like what you get in socialist countries. >had to look up the average yearly income of minimum wage because im not an unemployable socialist with no jobskill
Grayson Bennett
>if company you work for pay you third world levels then you go to the competitive company that will pay you more , thats what stoping any company in capitalistic country to pay you not enough Actually the company that pays you good wages will go out of business in a heartbeat since the company that pays you dirt cheap can provide eaiser services. The thing that makes companies have to pay me a lot is two things, one is government regulation and the other is keynesian economics. The government must prop up public sector jobs with good wages and pensions to make companies forced to raise wages.
I'd choose the second one because giving 95% of what you produce to someone is basically slavery. I don't care if they gave you the tools. That's like saying because your boss gave you the money to support your wife he should be allowed to sleep with her.
Asher Long
>They are private security, they have a responsibilty for any town property that gets destroyed. Have you ever worked in security? It doesn't sound like you have. That's not how their job works.
>Except the moment the goverment allowed that you'd be competing with foreign international giants which would crush your company in an instant Examples? Because all I can find are examples of the exact opposite.
>At least you have a job, in capitalism you are unemployed or work in a coal mine. Canada, ladies and gentlemen.
working at a gas station for a month is enough to by a car >Nope, however during America's socialist era that was possible How much do cars cost in Canada?? How low are your wages?? Both my cars were bought for $3k or less and have been running great for years.
Nolan Wilson
>I'd choose the second one because giving 95% of what you produce to someone is basically slavery. So why would you advocate Socialism? That's exactly what it is.
Lincoln Murphy
Funny since socialist nations like Canada, Sweden, Norway and America (1950s) had the highest wages in the world.
Enjoy your ban then
All socialism is voluntary, true socialism is democratic.
The CIA which is ultra-capitalist had to ruin their nation to prevent socialism from increasing too much.
Gabriel Butler
Charity* in a nutshell Just die already faggot
Daniel Young
Do you get taxed or does your employer?
I can understand creating a protection for peoples' life outside of work. Look at the tech/software business in the states, people are constantly putting in "crunch" time all year round which basically turns the 9a-5p into a 7a-8p including Saturdays. No extra pay as these are salaried positions.
Ethan Carter
>At around 9/hr you make about 18,000, that's more than 1k/mo which can be sufficient to buy a cheap used vehicle. It won't be the best, but its better than driving nothing, like what you get in socialist countries. In capitalist nations only the 1% have cars. For example in Angola only warlords and corporate leaders have cars.
Hunter Bennett
That's not socialism. That's called charity.
Christopher Reyes
In socialism you give a way a lot sure, but in socialism you have such a higher wage even if you gave half a way you'd still have a lot.
Dominic Robinson
> people want to give money Fucking one sentence later >we need to tax them or they won't give money You are a bad troll
Ryder Flores
Socialism can work on a small scale, like cities, villages and communities, but not nation wide as it requires the wilful cooperation of everyone.
In a small community, it can work if all or most the people are willing to cooperate but nation wide many people don't like, don't want and sometimes don't need this, and prefer to do their own thing.
Christian Taylor
If you didn't agree to giving 95% of what you earned to the them in return for the tools and training then you would need to pay for the training yourself which would take years and buy the tools for the job which could be upwards of billions of dollars.
I myself am a supervisor for an airline. I can't afford to buy my own airplanes and advertise for said airplanes, so I give most of my earnings to the company.
Jonathan Rogers
>Have you ever worked in security? It doesn't sound like you have. That's not how their job works. No but I know they have responsibility
>Examples? Because all I can find are examples of the exact opposite. If I want to go into the auto industry can I compete? NO! If I want to go into the food business can I compete? NO! If I want to go into the tech industry can I compete? NO! Big companies have a monopoly and kick out competition.
>How much do cars cost in Canada?? How low are your wages?? I've been working for years and I can't afford a car.
>Both my cars were bought for $3k or less and have been running great for years. Yeah but then they break down instantly and you lose your money.
Brayden Brown
>Sup Forums, a NATIONAL SOCIALIST board, does not believe SOCIALISM works.
Jesus. Fucking, Christ.
Isaiah Jones
A LUCKING FEAF
Gabriel King
jews gonna jew >leafpost saged
Blake Ramirez
It's socialism because the social community is pitching in and sharing the wealth
You're obviously trolling, im going to have you banned since it's technically against the rules what you are doing. I don't mind good trolls like Ken M but you are shit
That's why you have strong nationalism/patriotism
Just have the government pay for your training
>I myself am a supervisor for an airline. I can't afford to buy my own airplanes and advertise for said airplanes, so I give most of my earnings to the company. That's fucked up then. Airline should give its money to employees not keep it.
Jonathan Ross
>If a socialist country that failed debunks socialism does an example of it working prove it the correct theory?
Talk to us again when you finally provide such an example, faggot. So far, socialism's failure rate is 100%.
Ryder Morales
Sup Forums bullies and mock Nazis. It's all Ron Paul, ancap memes, and anti-socialist shit now
Enjoy your ban.
Grayson Cox
>In capitalist nations only the 1% have cars. Ah, I see, you are just baiting. Mods should just delete this thread right now.
Gavin Torres
>What we need is this on a national level with taxes How is that different from any public service/infrastructure?
>My community is small enough for people to see their money go to good work. >hey want to help but don't want to give their money away where they don't know where it will end up Which is why large government programmes are bad. They mask the relationship between the source of funds and the use. It's all just anonymous taxpayers and projects.
Local charitable associations make it abundantly clear that people in the community are paying, controlling and benefiting from the funds that they pool. Low taxes allow people to keep more money for these local associations and cut down bureaucracy.
Isaiah Lee
>No one in my neighborhood works in a hands on field >socialism totally works for me
Liam Myers
On the community level people band together, and you see how the individuals of the community help the collective. Redistribution works on the small scale, but central planning results in gulags.
So it's a balance.
Brayden Moore
Livestream your suicide please.
Jason Perez
I provided an example in my origional post you dunce. Also
it's always existed, from the days on the savannah
Jace Hernandez
I'm having you banned since I recognized you were a troll in your first post. Ever post you have made has been screenshotted and is further evidence you are a baiter.
Camden Taylor
>>Voluntary
Hey guys we're going to VOLUNTARILY seize the means of production. You must "volunteer" your money for us to redistribute to others. If you resist these voluntary policies we will imprison you :^)
Liam Perry
the government doesn't need wealth, the populace does.
Angel Long
Just move to venezuela or cuba mate. If everybody who truly believes socialism just moved to a socialist nation, we wouldn't have to be arguing about this shit every time.
Put your money (I mean, "work force") where your mouth is. Take the leap, leaf.
Logan Ward
>Canada is a successful socialist nation.
William Rodriguez
>if this can be applied to the community it can be applied anywhere. here's where you went wrong. did your community take up a collection to replace another community's pool? no? why not?
Jaxson Fisher
>How is that different from any public service/infrastructure? It isn't
>Local charitable associations make it abundantly clear that people in the community are paying, controlling and benefiting from the funds that they pool. Low taxes allow people to keep more money for these local associations and cut down bureaucracy What if someone is from a poor area where there isn't enough funds?
I don't get your point.
Eli Gonzalez
There is no purely capitalistic country on the planet... corrupt corporatism is probably the best descriptor for our system. Many of our largest companies and banks are so inextricably linked to the government that the notion of "free market" is totally erroneous. Just look at the banks - we've already seen how many of them are "too big to fail" in 2008, and Goldman Sachs in particular might as well be a federal agency... it has a revolving door with the Treasury Department, and the ratings agencies and regulatory agencies are also in bed with the big banks.
If America ever was purely capitalistic, and I'm not convinced that it was at any point, we have to admit that during that time it contained the seeds of the possibilities of the present situation. In other words, a devolution took place, and this itself can be an argument against the practicality of pure capitalism.
Thomas Walker
Uh, what does the private sector have to do with this? I assume it was city owned property that they're responsible for taking care of?
Michael Wood
That's not socialism, retard.
Andrew Campbell
Oh, one more thing you forgot to mention: No one can voluntarily leave... sorry.
Angel Ward
Government can use that money to pay for the people
Please tell me you have cancer
Because that would be disconnected that's why you have laws that force them to.
Logan Young
I live in (supposedly) one of the best countries in the world. We're socialistic, but to a certain degree. Government doesn't interfere too much into private companies... not "too" much.
I can say that even here it doesn't work that well, and I wish it was more capitalistic.
Kayden Nelson
>socialism works because people give to charity >therefor if all humans are charitable capitalism wouldn't be here >capitalism is here >thusly humans aren't naturally charitable Nice, the point is that socialism isn't about going around and voluntarially being handed money to redistribute. The state takes the money by force and does it for you.
Brody Cox
ATTENTION This is David Shano making these threads. Common canadian shitposter on Vice and Vice news articles on facebook
Nathan Rivera
Nope, but this thread is so gay it gave me aids
Andrew Brown
It we don't need another non White filled california.
Adam Perry
No it's a private neighborhood and the owners wouldn't do jack shit.
Dude, Norway gets it's wealth from taxing oil companies, if it weren't for that your nation would be poor as fuck
Bentley Sanders
Are you talking about HOA fees?
Easton Reyes
There are no examples of pure capitalism or pure socialism.
Which is good because ancap and ansoc are both only suitable for memeball shitposts and not a real civilization.
Gabriel Nelson
What is the pool in a community broke down three provinces over? Who in your neighbourhood would give a shit then?
Benjamin Martinez
>jew pretends not to understand whatever you say Schlomo
Charles Powell
>this political ideology where the government takes control of the means of work and production works. >now here's a story where the government did nothing and we had to fix the problem ourselves. Honestly, Canadians should be euthanized. It's inhumane to let them suffer their own stupidity.
Nathaniel Bennett
Throw mental gymnastics around all you want, doesn't change a thing. Humans want to give money but not annoymously to somewhere they don't know. That's why we need taxation.
Eli Martinez
Name one true socialist country. Until then, socialism is the ideology of failures and mentally challenged.
Michael Hill
>Funny since socialist nations like Canada, Sweden, Norway and America (1950s) had the highest wages in the world. And didn't the U.S. also foot the bill to protect the nords from the meanie socialists so their govts could afford their brand of socialism with all that sweet oil money?
Robert Perry
Let me just say that only an extremely narrow subset of amerifats actually understand what socialism IS, because of how their media has waged war on the whole concept for so many decades. Please shut the fuck up about things you know nothing of. All this talk of "slavery" and "forced by state" reeks of Muh Freedumbs, and coming from the people who willingly reduce their own culture to fast food, bad TV and jewlywood trash, that's a worthless analysis.
Christopher Thomas
>private neighborhood
I don't know what this means...? like your neighbourhood is owned by a company? or do you live in a condo building?
Dominic Hernandez
>Humans want to give money careful, your inner merchant is showing
Kayden Diaz
Drink bleach you literal kike shill.
Michael Bailey
You're saying my community is Jewish? No actually we aren't
They wouldn't and that's why we need taxes
Yes
It shows humans are generous all we need now is better government dumbass
Asher Kelly
>Norway gets it's wealth from taxing oil companies.
Dude.. The Norwegian government established its own oil company.
Grayson Rivera
By spending money on those yatch, drug, booze and party, these people contribute more to the economy than 10000 poorfags could ever do.
Angel Sullivan
Every Canadian thread is an incoherent bait thread because Justin Trudeau hired a team of professional shitposters to ruin Sup Forums in early 2016.