Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
>Thesis Free Market >anti-thesis communism >synthesis dead Russians am i doing it right?
Matthew Myers
>Communism is the next stage of humanity
Yeah, if we were fucking robots. Kek
John Baker
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you are literally the shit that comes out of of worms. Do yourself a favor and kill yourself.
Thomas Sullivan
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Isaac Torres
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Adrian Hughes
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Austin Nguyen
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Liam Mitchell
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Camden Evans
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Charles Lewis
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Brody Anderson
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Nicholas Long
Don't bother. You won't get any counter arguments from these 3, 4 subhuman commies who arrange in their chatroom to create a commie circle jerk thread on Sup Forums doing nothing but spamming pictures and cringy memes.
The average unironical communist has an IQ of 85-90. When stupid people get involved in politics, they turn to communism because that's the ideology for irrational, illogical, economically illiterate simpletons. Once there are incentives for intelligent people to breed more, communism will eventually die out completely.
Liam Flores
kys, murdering autist christian scum
Oliver Hill
>you have to be atheist or christian lmao @ atheistniggers and christcucks
Isaac Price
Was he, dare I say, /ourguy/, comrades?
Carson Lopez
Because you're jainist, Bill ?
>121551159 The exact same argument is use against nazis, "they're dumb, they have low IQ..." Use your arguments wisely.
Michael James
>Jainist Topkek
Cameron Richardson
>you are literally the shit that comes out of of worms. Do yourself a favor and kill yourself.
I live to see the bourgeoisie liquidated.
Samuel James
Google camilo torres
Nicholas Davis
STUPID DUMB COMMIE SCUM
Michael Collins
You are bourgeoisie by Spanish standards. You get the bullet too when "the revolution" happens. It's a good thing it won't happen so you're safe to LARP, for now. This is what happened in China and Russia. My grandfather enjoyed killing commies and it looks like I get to do it soon too
Zachary Hughes
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Owen Jones
To be exhaustive : > Tommaso Campanella > Thomas More > Thomas Muntzer > Whilelm Weitling >Etienne Cabet > Graham Greene > Jan Hus > John Wycliff > Guennadi Zyuganov, current russian communist party leader > Helder Camara > Diggers and Levellers >Jesus and his mates
And so on...
Landon Martinez
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Aaron Williams
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Wyatt Jones
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Tyler Gomez
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David Nguyen
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Eli Adams
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Logan Campbell
Hello comrade, revolution when?
Carter Richardson
Check leftypol soviet cybernetics thread
Matthew Gonzalez
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Chase Moore
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism. Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society. Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies: Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/gommies.gom/starve/ GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here: gommies.gom/ohfugme/ It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving. Resources: gommies.gom/ohshid/gommies.gom/1984/gommies.gom/guck/gommies.gom/probaganda/gommies.gom/XDDDD/gommies.gom/wheresfood/gommies.gom/benis/ Da sdages of gommunism. Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all. Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours. Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
Hunter Reyes
Need to macro that with more than just the afraid picture.
Isaiah Harris
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Lucas Green
Question: Let say Communism becomes popular in America, and as a result they shape the politics and society of the country as they see fit. After the means of production, and thus the fruits of productive output, are seized and put into the hands of the American people, what makes you think that Americans would generally stay interested in continuing to be productive? Do you really think they like certain kinds of work that much?
Luis Perry
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Isaac Scott
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Joshua Evans
this FAGGOT thread again go kill yourself op you are a pathetic waste of skin
Adrian Russell
It would become a socialist state first, where the maxim is : from each according to their ability, to each according to their contribution. Society would continue to increase automation in the production forces as it is happening right now. Most jobs would be made by machines more and more gradually, and people who still wants to work in things they really like would still be able to do it.
Brandon Ross
I also think you should add the cultural hegemony concept of Gramsci, communism getting kind of mixed in the culture, as in Russia
Aaron Campbell
What a reactionary comment.
Michael Gonzalez
back in the summer of 72' i learned communists make excellent compost.
I was driving home after a long day at the office and at a busy intersection, a bunch of coons, chinks and pasty fat kids were blocking the road with communist propaganda signs and an arm-link fence. this was the 4th time in 3 months. it was time to do something about it.
I got out, walked to the back of my car, and tore my license plate straight off. I then got back in, put on my driving shades, and hit the gas. the shrieks of terror and the thumping of their now-dead bodies colliding with my vehicle were the stuff of nightmares. apparently the sight of so many of their members being killed in the line of duty scared off the rest of those filthy stalinists, because before i knew it, anyone whose head was not splattered against the bumper of my car was now running for the hills, screaming all the way.
I had no idea if anyone had called the police in the ensuing panic yet, so i rightfully decided to book it. as i was running to the back of my car to try and reaffix the license plate in case any potential cops on the way home took notice, i thought to myself, "i can't walk away from something this big without some kind of souvenir." At first i thought id take one of their signs, but that would be too big to hide. Then i saw it: a severed hand, torn straight from the arm of some red cunt. At this point, i decided i'd do something interesting with it. You see, i had a small chili plant i kept on my windowsill that i felt hadn't received any type of nutrition for a long time, and seeing how worthless communists inherently are, i decided it was time that one of them was given a purpose in life. I wrapped the hand in some tissues, and when i got home, i lifted the pepper with all the dirt out of the pot and placed the hand at the bottom. to this day, those are the damn best tasting peppers ive ever had.
Blake Cox
So basically, someone or something is compelling them to keep working, by convincing them to do so through their needs?
Robert Morgan
>I also think you should add the cultural hegemony concept of Gramsci, communism getting kind of mixed in the culture, as in Russia
Indeed, kids born into the socialist order would feel it as natural to them as it capitalism seems to us 'the normal thing' to us. But capitalism is just a very tiny fraction of human history. A new status quo more humane and harmonious is possible, the reactionary beast must be tamed first though.
Gabriel Hall
>mfw seeing all the triggered capitalists in this thread
Your time is over, scum.
Dylan Taylor
Also, through what mechanism are we going to enforce that rule of, "from each by ability, to each by contribution"? (Excuse me as I said "needs" before)
Doesnt that also potentially conflict with the goal of a class-less society, being that contributions, and so gratification of needs, might be unequal?
Chase Rogers
In socialism workers partake of the hole output. They are paid based on the work they socialize.
Under communism, workers have complete ,free and immediate access to the abundance of socialized production , wages make no sense.
Evan Wright
In one word, an idiosyncrasy ? I heard that communism got so deep inside russian culture, that it is now part of it, as orthodox christianism. Even Putin said the fall of the USSR was a mistake.
It would be like the concept of Republic in France, that is way beyond a form of regime or political opinion, but has become a cultural national identity over the years.
Or like "freedom" in the US, of speech or of owning a gun...
Christopher James
Because the class-less society is in communism not in communism that is the previous phase.
Grayson Price
if you're in barcelona I can beat this nonsense out of you
hit me up
Gabriel Ortiz
Nobody wants what your selling op
Mason Adams
*socialism the previous phase
Zachary Reyes
why no some beer comrade
Alexander Hughes
Blasphemy ! Don't spill the wine !
Andrew Scott
Lumpenprole.
Xavier Green
A communist economic system would be characterized by advanced productive technology that enables material abundance, which in turn would enable the free distribution of most or all economic output and the holding of the means of producing this output in common. In this respect communism is differentiated from socialism, which, out of economic necessity, restricts access to articles of consumption and services based on one's contribution.
Nathaniel Edwards
>why no some beer comrade fugg I'm gommie nao
I bet you're some """history""" student at UB
Chase Torres
>Lumpenprole. You're living in a time warp. That word doesn't apply here idiot.
Adam Williams
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Ayden White
Why not?
Lamebotas.
Ryan Roberts
Another thing than go in the red spanish guy, is that the traditional critic of "marxism destroys the culture" and stuff is this. Eastern countries are the most culturally conservative in Europe, despite years and years of communism.
Cameron Gonzalez
>Lamebotas. Al contrario.
Charles Gray
"The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part.
The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his “natural superiors”, and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, than callous “cash payment”. It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervour, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom — Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.
The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honoured and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage labourers.
The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and has reduced the family relation to a mere money relation. "
James Robinson
"The bourgeoisie has disclosed how it came to pass that the brutal display of vigour in the Middle Ages, which reactionaries so much admire, found its fitting complement in the most slothful indolence. It has been the first to show what man’s activity can bring about. It has accomplished wonders far surpassing Egyptian pyramids, Roman aqueducts, and Gothic cathedrals; it has conducted expeditions that put in the shade all former Exoduses of nations and crusades.
The bourgeoisie cannot exist without constantly revolutionising the instruments of production, and thereby the relations of production, and with them the whole relations of society. Conservation of the old modes of production in unaltered form, was, on the contrary, the first condition of existence for all earlier industrial classes. Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind."
Logan Wood
Are you really from leftypol ? Because maybe you're one of these commies that wander here silently from time to time. Maybe we talked in the past, who knows.
Jordan Gray
"The need of a constantly expanding market for its products chases the bourgeoisie over the entire surface of the globe. It must nestle everywhere, settle everywhere, establish connexions everywhere.
The bourgeoisie has through its exploitation of the world market given a cosmopolitan character to production and consumption in every country. To the great chagrin of Reactionists, it has drawn from under the feet of industry the national ground on which it stood. All old-established national industries have been destroyed or are daily being destroyed. They are dislodged by new industries, whose introduction becomes a life and death question for all civilised nations, by industries that no longer work up indigenous raw material, but raw material drawn from the remotest zones; industries whose products are consumed, not only at home, but in every quarter of the globe. In place of the old wants, satisfied by the production of the country, we find new wants, requiring for their satisfaction the products of distant lands and climes. In place of the old local and national seclusion and self-sufficiency, we have intercourse in every direction, universal inter-dependence of nations. And as in material, so also in intellectual production. The intellectual creations of individual nations become common property. National one-sidedness and narrow-mindedness become more and more impossible, and from the numerous national and local literatures, there arises a world literature."