Give me a better alternative to democracy and a way to achieve it

Give me a better alternative to democracy and a way to achieve it.

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Putinism

Just kill yourself.

It was a joke Ruskie

become a cannibal, indoctrinate some... eat everyone else

It was a very cruel one.

extinction of humanity. nuclear war

A direct democracy in which after a politician is elected to congress or w/e, he gets votes equal to the number of people who voted for him. At any time for any reason any of the people who voted for him can remove their vote via online direct democracy thereby reducing his power. He still gets his full term but cant start fucking over the people he should be helping because his relative power will be reduced to nothing compared to others.

A successful leader as emperor*

*this is an exceptionally rare trait in humans and most 'leaders' are abysmal.

That is wat I actually believe it the best among realistic options.

Putin is legit you fucking cuck, youre probably some ass fucker that is why you hate Putin. The US Needs to form a relationship and become an Ally to Putin.

> legit
He is not, however it does not matter, legitimacy is meaningless, it only matters is he good or bad for russian people, and he is definitely not good.

Meritocracy with a strong, organized border, and capitalism n sheit. Destroy the federal reserve with the military, dismantle all government organizations except military. Allow no corporate interference in military affairs and vice versa.

Who would be better?

Now I think literally anyone.

Except his friend, of course.

How is it different from oligarchy, with generals as oligarchs?

I laugh at this cartoon but it actually represents the post apocalyptic form of locomotion that I have planned for that proud race of runners.

Parecon

It will be achieved in the most developed nations around the 2200s through a high degree of post-capitalist unionization and eventual migration to use decentralized work ledgers in an open manner similar to the blockchain. The means of production are essentially owned with a multi-sig, and undesirable professions are shared within unions.

Uhhh. It ain't? I dunno.

Navalny 2018?

Republic

Post Scarcity cybernetic oligarchy.
All we need to do is hold out to the point where automation becomes capable of supporting the entire human race, then murder the shit out of those who'll inevitably attempt to hold it back for their own benefit.
I for one welcome our new non-sentient robot overlords.

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Nuclear War would do it.

>a better alternative to democracy

Fascism.

>a way to achieve it

Lifelong devotion.

switzerland's system seems to go pretty well
federalism i guess its called

we can fix democracy

I don't know how without waving a magic wand though

Emergency Dictator. Allowing a person to become dictator of your country to physically remove the Jews/Liberals/Neocons, but with several restrictions and rules (like term limit and certain laws that can't be over turned).

How do we fine tune this idea Sup Forums?

A benevolent dictatorship.

Good luck achieving a lasting one.

Republic under National Socialism

The Russian Empire will be restored when?

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Not in this timeline, unfortunately.

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Elected constitutional monarchy. Only land owning men with children may vote.

>Give me a better alternative to democracy and a way to achieve it.

A meritocracy and technocratic society. Ideology is thrown away.

All resources and laws are based on the most efficient ways of allocating resources in a fair manner (i.e. you will not be taxed to all hell, if you do less valuable work you will be paid very little but not allowed to starve to death).

This would include controlling the ability to have children.

Education would be free to everyone since it would be the only way to earn more money, and therefore the ability to have a family or improve your situation.

No elections, rather specialists rotate automatically per 2 years as a kind of "congress" that decide what we do as a nation. All budgetary decisions are out in the open and auditable by the citizenry and public.

This would help us resolve major issues that require large engineering efforts.

tl;dr run a country with scientists and engineers. We can get there by voting them into office and then getting them to enact laws to allow them to do what needs to be done.

This would be the best

Make voting rights something to earn, be it via working for x amount of time, or contributing to society in general, give it to women only if they've had at least 2 children.

Natsoc anti degenerecy ideals should be enforced to some extent, make christian ideals central, seven deadly sins, seven heavenly virtues etc. But technology should still be pursued and embraced

>Make voting rights something to earn
...with military service like Starship Troopers?

>Give me a better alternative to democracy
All governmental decisions are made based on getting good digits on Sup Forums

god-monarchy

I have a great system. We use the exact system we have in America now but I am in charge above all branches and when they do something that's stupid I can override it.

I call it kickassocracy

I've never seen Starship Troopers tbqh, but yes, be it military service, working for x amount of years, earning a masters decree in a proper field (IE not lesbian dance theory), having at least 2 children while married for x amount of years

something along those lines

We let the moderates and the centrists take charge.

Radicals from all specters of the political sphere have to duel in order to convince le rational people to make a choice.

i dont see cucknadia to the north so yeah

I got a better idea. Lets go back to the way it was meant to be. Only white, landowning, males, can vote.

All problems solved in 2 seconds of typing

It was annexed by the American Empire

thanks for the LARP fag

can we own niggers?

I'm not sure man. I think I'll take a competent dictator over a benevolent idiot.

>I don't know how without waving a magic wand though

Renaissance. We need to renew and transform our culture so that normies achieve more of their potential. The main flaw with democracy is with the people. They aren't engaged enough to care and learn about what's going on. They accept lies and deceit as normal.

If we could create a culture that encourages civic pride and duty, where discourse goes beyond the propaganda and people put in the effort to ensure the will of the people is done, it would work.

But having a wizard do it would probably be more realistic.

The first and most important step to achieve democracy is to abolish voting.

Not even kidding.

And then they'll simply change where the center is. Used to be that violent extremists were "far right" and "far left". Nowadays, if you support fellow Americans, oppose bringing in people who pose a security risk and believe in upholding the law(including immigration), you're the radical alt-right. If you think whites should be stripped of voting rights and all Trump supporters should be hanged, you're center-left. It's absurd.

Yes, but it will be challenged. You will need to fight that off quickly before they are considered humans in the eyes of the law

Monarchy. You must restore the Tsardom, ruskie.

Then you should probably move to Russia, Saudi Araba, or Syria

But why would I choose Putin over God Emperor Trump?

Also the other two are a theocracy and an international shooting gallery.

Because you choose strong men verse a leader. Syria is most certainly fucking not a theocracy btw.

Dictatorship was tried in America once and it resulted in dirt poor farm hands taking up pitchforks against someone who would dare fuck with them. You are either a product of American public education, an idiot, or trolling

>thinking the peasant class is entitled to a happy existence in any scenario
I vote for Monarchy Fascism

>immediately raped by jews who suddenly consider themselves white and own all the property

>Dictatorship was tried in America once
What are?

Technocracy assisted with AI

What are you referring to?*

You SHOULD be ruled by those who own what you use. You either produce or you consume. You are either master or slave. Your god given free will determines your ending. You dont need a boogieman, you have your own innate sense of failure to blame

A king, thousands of miles away, passing judgement in their own/"the nations" best interest irregardless of your opinion

Duginism.

Anarcho-Capitalism

Simple. Monarchy.

All we need to do is find some fresh princes and we will be good to go,

Monarchy. Napoleon was the anti-christ.

Have you heard of a Technocracy?
The government officials are experts in their field such as engineers and scientists as opposed to elected politicians which are typically lawyers, CEO's, and reality TV stars.

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Genocide of retarded people

And even if you get a good emperor when he dies you're screwed.

Oh, you mean prior to independence? I thought you were referring to a past president or other figure in American politics.

This guy gets it, there is a reason why Monarchy has been the most stable form of government throughout history.

Just get a Tzar already, rename yourself to Russian Empire, change your flag colors to black-gold-white and get it over with.

Technologic anarcho-capitalism

What's the difference between ancap and technological ancap?

this desu famalam

Better yet, direct voting for/against the passage of bills, remove the power from the politicians entirely.

>a bill to abolish taxation is proposed

>Give me a better alternative to democracy

tribalism with strict observance of sexual roles

As long as you haven't been deemed "undesirable" yet
and make no mistake, everyone on this board would be, eventually

This

The problem isn't the idea, it's that most people aren't Cincinnatus.
See The Napoleon approach eh?

This.

>If we could create a culture that encourages civic pride and duty
The trouble with that is that public perception of "civic duty" is entirely defined by propaganda, or (usually manufactured) reactionism to it. That, and any culture that holds that the individual is duty-bound to the state (and not the other way around) is one which will inevitably slide into totalitarianism.

Replace all the humans by an AI that will continuevand save all our researches and projects.

Impossible to achieve, though, because a person who specializes in manipulating public opinion will always be better at it than those who don't. That, and it's a waste of tech specialists.

Bad idea, bills get too complicated for people to keep up with. I have a damn job im not going to spend my weekend reading a 200 page bill.

Understanding, debating, and writing bills is a real skill and requires politicians. This is the price of civilization.

Civil Meritocracy.

It's a like a democracy, but the only people who are allowed to vote and hold office are those who've completed a term of some kind of service initiative after reaching adulthood - whether that be military service, domestic volunteer work, international aid, or whatever your criteria of choice are.

All the advantages of Democracy, but the only people who get a say in making laws and decisions are the people who have genuinely done something to give back to their country instead of the ones leeching off it.

Not at all, if you establish that any non-vote counts as a vote against a bill, then politicians hoping to pass bills would have to shorten them into legibility. The sheer length of modern law is a problem in and of itself: it's impossible for any citizen to actually be cognizant of all the laws dictating what they must and must not do.

> if you establish that any non-vote counts as a vote against a bill

nothing would ever be passed ever again

>All the advantages of Democracy, but the only people who get a say in making laws and decisions are the people who have genuinely done something to give back to their country instead of the ones leeching off it
Civil servants ARE leeches, unless you suggest that those positions must be unpaid volunteer work exclusively. The populace's money being taken at gunpoint to be spent on that which they would not spend it on freely is theft. Heck, even if you accept the legitimacy of taxes, one of America's founding principles was "No taxation without representation". That's just another sort of oligarchy.

Decentralization

>nothing would ever be passed ever again
I don't see a problem, but if if it is, change the threshold to, say, "25% of the populace must vote (one way or the other) for a bill to pass"

I've been thinking about something for a while, but it takes a lot to describe, and it may already exist because I'm not a political science graduate. But the basic idea is a "partocracy" named after computer partitions. Basically, the idea is you have a main partition, which is what we consider civilized society, and then thousands of little partition societies, which are experiments in any kind of society you can imagine.

So, if anyone has an idea that they think is better than the current system, they can start a new partition and see if it works. If it does, they can start adding more people to their partition. That way anyone can test their idea, as long as they are willing to become a pioneer for their beliefs. You can go try socialism, libertarianism, ethnonationalism, or anything you can imagine, even that which hasn't been invented.

The hard part is that resources are finite, so you have to think about how to stop conflict, or at least police it. Which is why I think the system shouldn't exist until humans have undergone a couple of hundreds of years of negotiations before trying it out. And every kind of potential problem should be accounted for (stopping a tyrannical partition taking over other peaceful partitions, for example).

This is where the idea breaks down in my mind, and I can't really resolve why it would be better than any other system. But I do think about writing about it, and attempt to some time, but also have some serious crippling depression which makes any words hard to come by. It's a lot like having utopia locked inside your head, and not knowing how to transfer it to other minds. I often feel like I could help, but feel too overwhelmed by what's happening to do so.

Aye, thee displayeth wisdom most wondrous'r than all the fascists, communists, and lib'rals shalt ev'r showeth us

>A meritocracy and technocratic society.

That's more or less how individual states were supposed to work, I believe that the term someone used was "the laboratories of democracy". Of course, the overwhelming majority of people, being greedy, prefer their policies to be enacted at the broadest possible scope, so that didn't pan out so well.

>But the basic idea is a "partocracy" named after computer partitions. Basically, the idea is you have a main partition