So why is big government immoral and big business not?

So why is big government immoral and big business not?

choice and competition

Big cooperations are essentially the same as the governement. similarily they are run by rich [jews] and fucking everyone over.

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This. Came here to say the exact same thing.

Neither is innately immoral. But being that they are hierarchical institutions, people will amass power and abuse it. Human psychology 101. Private enterprise has more checks and balances, but crony capitalism is pretty much the same thing as government..

big government takes my money forcibly through taxes

big business can only take my money if I decide to buy their product/service

who said both weren't?

Big Business is inherently more honest than Big Government. I hope Trump's victory encourages more businessmen to go into politics.

They are one in the same.

>Private enterprise has more checks and balances

Elaborate.

They can't make money if nobody is there to use or buy their product/service.

Yes, hopefully they'll follow his example and clean up Washington

>Trump
>honest

Come on do you really believe this? Don't get me wrong I love the fact that he's president but let's call a spade a spade.

Big business today is better than big government today, but I'd trade both in a heartbeat for a strong nationalist fascist government.

The state has a monopoly on force, and dictates a non consensual relationship.

Private enterprise relies on a voluntary exchange of value, and requires contractual consent.

Anyone can start up a new small business. Maybe it will fail, but you can try.

Try starting a small government and competing with your current one.

And if that product/service is essential for you to live?

He's doing everything he promised to do and he doesn't constantly lie like politicians.

I'll take door #3

because big business doesn't physically force you to do what they say

Big government and big business are both heads of the jewish hydra.

what if i don't want to dig?

big business gets what they want by selling things people want - no coercion involved whatsoever
big government gets what they want by threatening you with violence or locking you in a cage for years if you don't obey - coercion is inherent in everything government does

This.

>big government takes my money forcibly through taxes
>big business can only take my money if I decide to buy their product/service

Funny no one ever thinks the companies and the government aren't so intertwined the difference doesn't make much difference.

A democracy is like a public company where your vote is your "shares", citizenship, eligibility for various benefits of the "mutual" agreement.

Every new citizen dilutes your vote. For a democracy the size of the US or Brazil, that is nearly no real power, but compared to say, Canada, about 1/10th the political power.

Not much in the way of complaining in low population world democracies, envy of most of the world.

The communitards are corporate functionaries.

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It would be extremely painful

Read The Law by Bastiat

But he does constantly lie, and it's honestly about the stupidest shit. It's one of the things that pisses me off the most about him.

>Ted Cruz's dad killed Kennedy
>I had a bigger inauguration crowd than Obama
>I will repeal and replace Obamacare

I guess the thing with him is I can't tell if he's lying on purpose or if his ego is so large he believes his own lies.

Trump is a politician now, meaning he is a liar.

The latter often benefits from the former via cronyism.

big business can't function without big goverment

big goverment ensures that the market remains an oligopoly reserved only for a select few big corporations to operate in

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The reason that Big Governments, are worse than Big Business. Is simply because, governments are the reason Big Businesses can be as corrupt as they are. You reduce the power a Government has over the mechanics of the economy, i.e. tax breaks, bail outs ect. There is less power that Big Business can purchase, putting them on a similar more equal playing field as everyone else. Simply put, Government is the only thing that is capable of preventing failure when it comes to the economy. So being able to purchase this, through bribes and lobbying, allows Big Business to be as evil as it is. Clip this problem, and Big Business is no longer as scary as it once was.

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Because government imposes force.

>red man is taking money from the working man rather than giving it in exchange for a service
>NatSoc comes with assumption that everyone will work together towards a common goal but does not depict motivation for doing so

You really are pea-brained, aren't you? Trump lies about petty shit ALL THE TIME as a deflection technique and the media ALWAYS falls for it.

>we need to stay out of syria
>ff to now

Because jews can more easily make usury in business than in government. Then they lobby governments from their businesses to use more usury

>>what are elections

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Ok Justin settle down.

big businesses that employ millions of people so those people have a means to sustain their well being and not have to live squalor doing miserable work their entire lives, aren't evil.

And big business doesn't?

Anyone can start a business and make it big, but only freemasons and Jews can make it into big government.

Big business respects the rights of the common man. Big government takes away those rights.

Businesses don't force you to buy their products.

For a business to grow to any size, it needs to be providing an equal amount of wealth/service to society. For any business to grow large, it must have people buy its product. That means any any wealth that is given from one person to another is by consent, if that business sold a billion dollars worth of X, then it must have providing a billion dollars worth or usefulness to everyone consenting to buy that product. Governments on the other hand collect money by force. They do not need to provide you with any use, they just need to send you to jail if you dont pay up. Imagine giving the power that governments hold to a company. Imagine if apple could throw you into a prison with armed forces if you didnt give them money. Governments who tax are immoral.

Keep in mind that money is a proxy to labor. You do not have the right to force someone to do anything they dont consent to.

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The entire economy is a ponzi scheme

Government extracts value by the threat of violence, business provides value exchange.

politicians never expand government democratically
they create new institutions staffed with appointees who survive through election cycles
this is the single greatest evil ever wrought by the republican government

United did nothing wrong. That drug peddling """doctor""" was trespassing and a suitable amount of force was used to remove him from that plane.

Republican government is the only chance the US has to uncuck itself.

They used to have to prove net benefit to society. Now fiat money is free speech. The invisible hand is not real. Our healthcare is three times cheaper per capita and we live longer. Less dead babies. It's like how Americans have all blacks but tiny penises. Just lies for kikes. Value exchange. With fiat money. If you think that switch was a legit govt action not wanted by kikey business barons you're nuts. A state is worth more than a business monopoly. How can you be nationalist and against a state? Because nazis called themselves socialists and made no fucking sense? Right wing cries lots but their goals are unattainable. They are what we have to thank for all the world's problems. Golden age of capitalism was the 60s with high high taxes and actual wage growth. Capitalism is just automatic inflation

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What is your last name? All money owned by "Smiths"? Are illegal. It was a ploy to save money on seats. They are criminals. They go against their own terms. His personal life is irrelevant. You are paid and jealous. Defend yourselves. Stop sucking govt when it comes to psy ops. Jews at all other times. And corporations when the little guy faces them

>Yes you want bigger government
>No you want smaller government
>Yes you want big business
>No you don't want big business

The Jews have every single market cornered. There is no running way stupid goys.

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Why would jews ever say to want small business?

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You've gotten it the wrong way around.
Big business is immoral because it exists to extract profit out of people and redistribute it to wealthy shareholders.
Government exists to represent people and make their lives better, though they actions of government are often distorted by monied interests, often promoting the concerns of big business.

Sup Forums lacks a general critique of capitalism.

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The government is never punished for making mistakes. It is not results-oriented.

If you understood anything about economics you'd know capitalism is a wealth extraction scheme.

I think they're both evil.

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republican as in the kind of representative democracy the US has, not capital R republican party

It's not a zero-sum game. You might value what I have to exchange more than I do, and vice versa. It's a mutual benefit.

It's just when business and government get in bed together, then everyone gets fucked.

Muh zero sum game. What is the value of every fiat Dollar? Fuck buzzwords

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>Things are buzzwords because I don't understand them

>mfw both of these things have morphed into a monstrosity hellbent on our enslavement

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This is a real issue that any free market capitalist must face. Once a small number of companies come to dominate market share (locally, nationally, or globally) the market is no longer free. By definition it becomes a market oligarchy and practices begin to mirror those found in a trust or monopoly situation: generally higher prices, price matching between competitors, buyout of smaller competitors or price out via exclusive contracts and//or regulatory capture, lowering of product standards, lowering of labor standards (incl. Layoffs, decreased real wages and benefits, etc.).

The tried and true methods of breaking trusts and monopolies are: fragmentation via litigation, imposition of tax penalties and/or fines, reduction/elimination of subsidies and/or tariffs, denial of mergers and acquisitions, and subsidation of smaller competitors.

These techniques should not only be applied to market monopolies and trusts, but also to duopolies and market oligarchies. The only question is how do define a violation: is it when each company reaches a certain market share, or when they reach a certain market share taken together? What should the market share be? And in the oligarchy situation, how many companies should be considered? To do so we need to turn to the work of economists and their peer-reviewed work to find a consensus, but that can be difficult.

Because big business can fail if people refuse to spend there money at the business, big government just takes the money they need to do the worthless shit they want.

One forces you to pay for them, the other does not. Unless of course, they have lobbied the government to force people to buy there services like health insurance.

Furthermore we have to decide which levels of government should set and enforce these standards, since it is also in our interest to keep each government unit small. So who does it? Municipal government, county, state, federal? Local governments may lack the funds to enforce these standards, esp against large multinational corporations, while concentrating power in the feds makes regulatory capture more simple.

One solution is to split it across all levels of government by looking at the market level. If the oligarchy is present only in the municipality, then the city handles it. In the county, then the county, and the state, and so on with the feds handling oligarchies across a national level (Coca-Cola and Pepsi, for example).

However at the federal level this can still prove difficult as corporations nowadays are wealthy enough to buy out a large number of federal officials at any one time. The solution there is to spread enforcement across the legislative, executive, and judicial branches: the legislature sets standards, the executive enforces and files suits etc. And the judicial decides litigation and constitutionality of said standards and enforcement procedures.

This is the best way under the current American system but it is still not perfect.

>So why is big government immoral and big business not?
Where in the fuck did that idea come from?

Lastly in the case that a smaller governmental unit is unable to handle the case in their jurisdiction (because the companies in violation have too many resources and/or connections) the case can be handled by the next step up. So if the guy who owns all the gas stations in town is the brother-in-law of the city judge then they can boot the case up to the county. This of course only applies up to the federal level. In a perfect world cases the feds can't handle would be sent up to an international organization like the WTO, IMF or UN, but we all know you can't trust the kikes.

Begging the question and other logical fallacies