Health care is a human right. Fascists need to step aside

Health care is a human right. Fascists need to step aside.

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No it's not.

fascism is economically leftist

Maybe if filthy crust punks like you went into the medical field we would have enough GPs and nurses to try SP

a bullet in every commie's head is a human responsibility.

Are you religious? Unless you're religious, human rights are nothing more than your opinion.

>Health care is a human right. Fascists need to step aside.

Correct. We need to IMPOSE free healthcare on everyone, and FORCE doctors to work for free, which is not slavery--but progressive.

>Entitled to other peoples labor.

I thought most people were against slavery.

>Everything I like is communist
>Everything I don't like is Fascist

This is why you people look fucking stupid all the fucking time.

Fascists are not against healthcare being a human right. Idiot.

>Health care is a human right.
No its not and you can't prove that it is or logically explain why it should be.

it's centrist/pragmatic

It's my human right for you to mow my lawn. Now get to work.

It sounds like a great backup, but in a country like america it's incredibly flawed because people let themselves get fat - and not only that - they get told that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
so instead of people who really need it, your money go to Shaquan's sixth operation for this year
normal people get really sick about once in a decade, if not more
if only people did not let themselves grow unhealthy

>I'm entitled to the labor of others for free

>tfw it's illegal in the US for hospitals to deny care

>Pic related is how Sup Forums thinks things will go if the GOP kills Obamacare.

yes good goy, only the (((rich))) should be able to afford healthcare, and how would the chosen people profit off suffering of the goys otherwise?

Canada's health care is pretty good. Sometimes you have to wait but there's systems in place to help with that too. If you are brought in by ambulance you get priority.

Le epic labor of others maymay
Reddit isn't welcome here you stupid ass mongoloid

>Healthcare is a right
So doctors are slaves?

I am sick and tired off people claim health care is a human right.
>first of all just because you have a right to get something doesn't mean it's free
I have the second amendment does that mean tax payers have to pay for my guns?
>second of all nothing is free
REEEEEEEE!

Health care is a service.

Any service will be scarce and there won't be enough for everybody.

>implying hospitals let people die instead of billing them for the rest of their lives

doctors will always be happy to put people into crushing debt if they have no insurance

Are judges slaves since they have to enforce the law?

exactly. you may end up deeply in debt, but since debtors prison isnt a thing in moderd societies, you will simply be doomed to a lifetime of bad credit.

but they definitely wont just let you die. unless you get a nigger EMT or 911 operator or something. they might let you die.

AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE

FUCK THIS EXPENSIVE BULLSHIT

Health care is NOT a constitutional right.

You may want to read some more.

neither are leftists
get the fuck out

Yes, public servants.

No because they don't have to do it for free and at your demand you dingus

just buy it

>What is a public servant
A FUCKING LEAF

There is no such things as human rights. you American rights but it doesnt say healthcare is a right in the constitution.

There's literally no qualifications required for becoming a federal judge, just be nominated and approved. You want a doctor that dropped out of 3rd grade to mow lawns? That's what you'll get at the price you want to pay.

Fucking Leaf.

Halifax wait time to see a Cardiologist is around 45 days.

Angioplasty, for instance, has wait times around 100 days.

Rich people in Halifax say 'fuck it' lets go to the United States and book an apt and get in ASAP. Specialist will order the procedure right away if diagnosis is severe. If not around a 2 day wait time give or take the volume of pts.

Poor Canadians die while waiting

fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/effect-of-wait-times-on-mortality-in-canada.pdf

What is your fucking point again?

Advocating for the enslavement of doctors
I'm sure that won't destroy the medical field from lack of labor, Achmed

Please tell me you are actually dieing in rl OP

Wasn't Michelle Obama involved in an illegal patient dumping scheme? Where insurance-less patients were diverted away from her hospital?

Yup.

Canadian health care is god awful (though it is priced right!)

Successful Canadians go to the USA when they actually want decent care.

What about the human rights of the doctors, or the tax payers, who are forced to participate? Are their rights superceded by an obese chainsmoker who never exercised a day in his life?

No OP it's more like this.

> me: doctor I need stitches, I cut my hand open working today.
> doctor: okay, that will be $7000 for some alcohol, a needle, thread, antibiotics.
> me: yea, I think i'll just find someone else do to it for much less, thank you

> GOVERMENT: NO YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PAY UNQUALIFIED UNPROFESSIONAL, PEOPLE WITHOUT A LICENSE TO DO SUCH A DANGEROUS TASK THAT REQUIRES 10 YEARS OF SCHOOLING, YOU ARE BOTH GOING TO JAIL! CRIMINALS!

>Right to force others to work for you without pay
The 13th amendment says otherwise.
bait.

>Mfw quality of care is not assured

Can't seem to find it in declaration of human rights for some reason. Wonder why.

>M...Muh doctors
Doctors tend to be overpayed shitsacks in the u.s

the real problem is that the AMA has a legal monopoly

Bullshit, I know Canadians. That ambulance you called because you were collapsing? You're paying for it, because even though you were unconscious the second the call ended, a panel decided you could have walked the .3 miles to the hospital. $2000. Elective surgery? Get on the list, maybe next year. That life improving surgery you want to get? You're 40 now, should have asked last year, we don't do it for people over 39. Lasik? Make an appointment in the US.

Did you know 2/3 of Canadians have health insurance? Why lol, why. Oh right, because no matter how hard you guys try, the government can't afford to pay for everything, so you guys have to cough up for all kinds of shit.

You have to have studied law to understand it
I think doctors should be classified as public servants
It would weed out all the fucks only joining the proffession for money, and therefore expose the problem

Yes, made over $300,000 a year doing that after Obama was elected to the Senate. Only made a paltry $120,000 when Obama was a State Senator in the same job. Kick ass raise.

Use super glue like a man

>proceed to bleed out while you look for a doctor that charges less

this is why the free market doesn't work for health care. you can't shop around while you're dying. not to mention they all charge outrageous prices.

You don't have the right to order someone to go to medical school and then provide you with their services.

Health care most certainly is not a right, it's a privilege of not living in a shit hole.

Or, since you're not on the main list, they'll give you shitty care and leave you bouncing from hospital to hospital and refusing careful to your status

Never understood why so many Americans are still this retarded when it comes to universal healthcare. I guess they like paying more money and getting less in return.

>higher government spending per capita on healthcare than any other developed country
>still can't provide a public option for most Americans
>medicare is probably the most popular government program in the US, yet people are strongly against universal healthcare when you bring it up (wtf)

Apparently, people need to start marketing universal healthcare as "medicare for all" since many Americans are really this retarded.

>>Right to force others to work for you without pay
Don't they do that already by providing police, fireman and military protection for those who don't pay their taxes?

You've clearly never heard any of the stories from ambulance workers who deal with niggers and spics if you can't understand why we're against paying for their bullshit.

^ this

If I was a doctor, I'd never charge thousands of dollars to do small procedures.

The main issue today is that the government and insurance companies are corrupt.

Lately if you have noticed there are many of these "small" clinics opening up where doctors will see and treat you for a flat fee of $75 starting.

The big insurance companies tried to have these offices shut down because they are not making big money off of doctors offering services at a lower cost.

It's comes to the point of, if you have a common illness that is easily treatable, there is no reason someone should be paying thousands of dollars to have some asshole in a white coat tell you that you have strep throat and you need a 10 cent prescription of penacillin along with cough syrup

But facism ideologically supports government healthcare

>fascists need to step aside
You know that the Third Reich had universal healthcare while every (((democracy))) let their people die, right?

Emergency rooms in the US haven't been able to turn away people since 86. EMTALA

I shouldn't have to pay for your shit because you poorly prepare for life obstacles.

If it doesn't still exist if you found yourself stranded on a desert island, it was never a human right in the first place.

You clearly know nothing about actual, non-REEEEEEEEEE fascism

>> GOVERMENT: NO YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PAY UNQUALIFIED UNPROFESSIONAL, PEOPLE WITHOUT A LICENSE TO DO SUCH A DANGEROUS TASK THAT REQUIRES 10 YEARS OF SCHOOLING, YOU ARE BOTH GOING TO JAIL! CRIMINALS!

accurate.
the American Medical Association has been drastically and intentionally smothering the supply of doctor's for years in order to artificially drive up the value of their work. They can only do this because the government gives them a near monopoly over health-related medical work.

Fucking lies, there are literally no qualifications required by law for US federal judges. The approval and appointment process currently generates lawyers, but if they felt like it they could put just about anybody up there. The results would be about the same though, those with the best lawyers and bribes would walk, everyone else cops a plea.

Now check how many laws will be broken if someone without medical school etc etc treats your horrible acne breakout. You, your "doctor" and your zits will all do time in prison.

I'm willingly taking this bait.

Why does anyone deserve anything?

Because your atoms have aligned a certain way?

QED

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>Fascists need to step aside
I'm not sure Amerilards would like fascism... National socialist Germany had socialised healthcare, health initiatives, loads of regulation, bans such as the one on smoking, etc

Healthcare was essentially free for the poor prior to ACA. It still is under ACA but now care isn't affordable to the middle class. The situation for the rich hasn't changed either.

ACA is a middle class squeeze.

>I don't like the fact people who spent longer developing in-demand skills make more money than me!
>We should enslave them because their wealth and success triggers me!

>people who produce nothing should still receive everything

Wowww.... So deep...... Really makes me think

Nihilism is extremely bluepilled you quadruple nigger w cheese

Holy fuck you burgers are stupid. Btw how come you are entitled to a teacher's work and road maker's work?

The free market works fine but there always has to be standards, regulations of some kind.

It's the governments job to do these regulations and investigations.

The problem is a mass of elitists and sycophants who want to be served by the people rather than doing the service are actually employed in the government.

>What are public servants
Get it through your head retard.

We're not.

So we need to force those of us who are smarter to learn medicine and then force them to practice it on us regardless of compensation because we decided it's a "human right".
Oh man, you commie burgertards take the cake.

You should take a trip to best korea and lose your passport there. They have social medicine and they will take care of you really well. Cause you have rights and shit.

America shouldn't have free health care because it's a shitty country that has enough problems.
American Gov. should be cleaning up that disgusting poverty rate, even if they just gas the ooga boogas.

We have a single-payer healthcare system in the United States: the Department of Veteran Affairs.

And it is atrocious. Tons of scandals like covering up average wait times of up to 114 days (even though the official policy is you only wait for 14 days max), delays that cost people their lives, and not informing patients of potentially fatal diseases they have.

This is despite the VA being the department with the second highest funding, just after the Department of Defense.

There are 21 million veterans in the United States. 14 million don't use the VA. Of the 7 million who do, 75% supplement it with other venues of healthcare.

Universal health care will not work in the United States.

Public goods in which it is literally impossible to provide that good to those who pay as opposed to those who don't pay.

>How do you protect just tax payers from invasion or nuclear war, while not also protecting homeless people living in the cities?

>How does a police officer know that a hostage in a bank robbery is a taxpayer or not before acting to save him?

>When you arrest a burglar or a rapist for burgling or raping a taxpayer, don't you implicitly protect nontaxpayers from the criminal as well?

Do you think police *really* put an effort in to find out who killed homeless Bob? They're more concerned with protecting the nice family down the street from his drunken behavior than anything else, and rightfully so.

>I'm entitled to X!

It's amazing the crap people will believe if they spend all day watching Fox News. It's as if they live in a totally different reality.

>It would weed out all the fucks only joining the proffession for money, and therefore expose the problem
are you retarded?
everyone works for money, it's one of the main ways we determine value.
I'm convinced this is bait.

Doctors I guess.

kek

>it's not free so only the rich will be able to afford it
Obviously maple syrup fucks up your ability to think clearly. Poutine isn't free yet the poorest syrup-niggers are fucking swimming in it.

We're stuck paying for their bullshit either way. It's probably more expensive to cover under the current model, where hospitals can't deny treatment. A universal system would likely minimize that unavoidable cost.

>implying doctors should work for free and be your personal slaves
Wew lad. I'm sure spending 8 years of my life and hundreds of thousands of dollars in college/medschool will eventually pay off someday, right?

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There are no universal human rights.

A person's "rights" only exist so long as those around him acknowledge these rights as exists.

We may, as a society, agree that individuals have the right to "life," yet a individual from a different society may not recognize this right and have no problem violating it.

Nature does not recognize your right to property when she sends a hurricane.

There are no "natural" rights, only the rights we agree upon as a society. However, one could argue that the only natural right we have is the right to be protected and raised as infants, when we are physically helpless and incapable of taking care of ourselves. Outside of this, there are no natural rights.

Additionally, just because something is a "right" does not mean you are entitled to it for free. We have the right to bear arms, but that does not mean others must pay for our guns. We have a right to property, but we do not have the right to demand others give it to us.

>incentivizing people to work is bad

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fuck off shill

universal healthcare also means universal waiting lists. it means that ultimately some politician is prioritising healthcare that your forced to pay for.
and the prime motivator for the decisions made is to avoid public outrage.

>like an ER doc
cyanoacrylate is great for small wound closure.

>implying doctors should make 300k+ right out of medical school, if they're not they're basically working for free

>implying the world is black or white

You have the right to be able to legally buy healthcare
You don't have the right to force everyone else to pay for your healthcare

If you get cancer, you're not meant to carry on your lineage anyway. Let the weak die.

>people working for money is evil
As long as the only person you're screwing over is yourself, whats the problem?

Federally mandated and funded healthcare is unconstitutional.

>doesn't understand that high demand for talent=high wages
Watch medical salaries drop like a rock once the same number of people who go to school for a Business degree go for a medical degree.
I don't expect south American subhumans to understand the free market

If only this was the case we'd be better off