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How would you transition into a ancap world without war?
Parker Brooks
>everyone elects an ancap parliament >dissolve parliament forever
Jaxon Myers
I don't know what your point even is. There are some problems the free market just can't solve because it isn't profitable to solve them, but still has to be done for purely moral reasons. Sometimes, doing the right thing just isn't profitable. Ancap has no answer to these situations.
Grayson Turner
Reminder that libertarianism is only possible in a world ruled by white males (something only NatSoc can provide)
>inb4 cucks complain about muh ebil nazi government
Juan Kelly
ANARCHO-CAPITALIST TRADIONAL CATHOLIC WITH OLD SOUTHERN ARISTOCRATIC CULTURE MASTER RACE
Easton Scott
All government in the world would have to consent, which is unlikely. It would require a U.N. type thing. Aka globalism.
Juan Howard
Reminder that nazi germany was the freest society of the past century
Mason Long
This is RIGHT libertarianism. Not left egalitarian shit. Learn the difference, read the OP.
Kayden Hall
where does the food come from?
Nathan Martinez
So, /lrg/, yellow/black pill me on agorism.
Landon Fisher
am i too moderate for this thread
Caleb Myers
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Isaac Baker
>doing the right thing just isn't profitable Are you retarded? If there's demand for such a service there's gonna be supply, making the companies that would provide these services money.
Jeremiah Long
>All government in the world would have to consent, which is unlikely What?? I'm talking about one area or country.
What the fuck? Is food provided by the state in Britain?
Daniel Russell
How do you feel about borders, lad?
Camden Gonzalez
>Anarchy
Oliver Sullivan
farming subsidies are a huge thing just about everywhere.
Jose Gonzalez
And what if the market demand for something that is completely immoral is higher than the market demand for getting rid of it?
Sebastian Jones
Hurricane Katrina was because of capitalism people.
Leo Garcia
>lolbertardian general this will be fun
Sebastian Murphy
Reactionary liberty is the only way
Dylan Perry
>huge thing Most don't receive it. Even if they do, it is paid for by taxes. There's no magical money tree.
John Brooks
Then you are just wanting a state (with borders, laws, and a land owner who makes the laws) that simply has a free market.
James Flores
Ask the taxpayers for money for more bombs to start wars, I guess.
Aaron Young
Assertion without an argument
This is quite wrong. A big reason why whites can't congregate together is because of diversity quotas which use state violence to break up white enclaves and government intervention which sends non-whites into whites neighbourhoods to 'diversify' the area.
Another issue is that people are forced to hand over their children to state schools that indoctrinate children into multiculturalism and teach anti-white rhetoric. Anti-white propaganda and racism is subsidized by the government through tax cuts for companies that meet diversity quotas, affirmative action and through the funding of public radio and TV.
Landon Rogers
I hope the ancaps ITT will not respond to posts like these
Jaxon Clark
I'm a Minarchist >The state to exist solely to protect citizens from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud. >Minarchists generally propose that the only legitimate governmental institutions are the military, police, and courts.
Jayden Watson
How else would you have global anarchy?
Lincoln James
They must be enforced, strictly. JFs out.
Jason Parker
mummy just puts a plate with tendies in front of the door
Bentley Sanders
Why don't you start thinking about the assertion you made before and start fleshing it out which will prove you aren't a waste of time.
Brody Nguyen
>An (Without) >Archon (Master)
>Unironically posting a puke meme against people who don't believe in slavery.
Kys.
Jacob Jenkins
Could you please translate this for me into French
Kayden Evans
>where does the food come from
This should be a new meme desu.
Justin Smith
Well, i'm not a child who believes in anarchy. Stupid assertions are given to stupid ideologies.
You said, I had no argument, yet gave no argument.
Aaron Martin
Sometimes that is unfortunately necessary. Sometimes the morally correct outcome isn't the outcome which lines up best with profit. Ancap has no answer to these situations. If we go purely by the free market, then chattel slavery was a very good thing, because it was quite profitable for the people who engaged in such activities. The free market didn't abolish slavery. It couldn't. The market wanted slavery to continue. The government had to step in and say "this is immoral, you are not allowed to do this, no matter how profitable it might be."
Isaiah Lee
A boss is a master. Ancaps aren't anarchists.
David Sanchez
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Caleb Taylor
your an retard
farms are subsidised to make food cheaper (though the cost is paid for by taxes, the richer end normally pays more of this burden) so when a libby society comes up, doesn't tax and expects the free market to raise food prices but that's okay because nobody's paying taxes, you'll be shocked to discover you're inexplicably importing food. In fact, this happens to a whole range of industries. People move there to avoid taxation, and import goods that other countries taxpayers pay for. And then soon enough those countries have your libertarian paradise by the balls, because you don't have any farmers, or anyone ready to take up those jobs when those exporters jack up tariffs.
So good fucking job starving everyone... again
Anthony Parker
Maman met juste une assiette avec des nuggets devant la porte I can't translate tendies, I never understood what it was exactly
Isaiah Scott
who /confederate ancap/ here?
Henry Gutierrez
>What is entrepreneurship, self-reliance, personal responsibility.
Ayden Garcia
Stupid assertions are a reflection of the author's mental capacity. Your assertion just showed that you are incapable of reasoning and since anarcho-capitalism is a rational approach to statecraft you have just signaled that you are a waste of time since you can't reason or reject rationality.
In the meanwhile you've experienced voluntary disassociation. A recurrent theme in anarcho-capitalism.
Daniel Brown
>Implying that diversity quotas won't get BTFO now that conservatives control the SCOTUS again
Wow, voting worked!
Jonathan Cook
>the state kills millions of people needlessly on a regular basis >let's rely on these cunts for imposing morality Nope.
>The free market didn't abolish slavery. Machines were a huge part in abolishing slavery. You think the government made that happen?
>The government had to step in and say "this is immoral The government also subsidized it for a long fucking time. Since ancient history.
Tyler Walker
:^)
John Wood
>2017 >not being a Distributist
Cucks
Samuel Cox
Tendies are fried (or baked) chicken tenders. Google that.
Google translate gave two suggestions
blanc de poulet, escalope de poulet
Bentley Walker
>The richer makes the final decisions. The poor don't.
You are just cliche aren't you? You had no argument. I gave an argument, and you refuse to rebuttal.
Nicholas Morris
>235 votes
Jason Harris
Mutualism is better than ancapism.
Adam Reyes
Supply and demand is not a concept you are well versed on, clearly.
If food becomes expensive (lets ignore this retarded hypothetical scenario in which a nation of cheaper food producers decide for some unknown reason to set tariffs) then a new firm will enter the market, probably a domestic one.
Nations also have a comparative advantage and specialise in what they are good at producing. David Ricardo wrote about this back in 1772 and in 2017 you can't grasp this concept.
Cameron Ortiz
>235 anons don't count
Take your degenerate bullshit back to plebbit
Joshua Sanchez
>All government in the world would have to consent, Why?
> which is unlikely. It would require a U.N. type thing. Aka globalism. Why?
Austin Jackson
>>The richer makes the final decisions. The poor don't.
What are you even saying. A central bank with a fiat currency wouldn't even exist. Besides that, eventually virtue and gifting economies would undermine that of monetary and ultimately kill the illusion of money and give us the true MON (ONE) EY (EYE) of knowledge, which is giving to others because you know it comes back to you in some way, always. So shortsighted. Stop thinking merely with the left brain there buckaroo.
Samuel Lopez
>the state kills millions of people needlessly on a regular basis
A very curious claim. Care to back it up with evidence?
>Machines were a huge part in abolishing slavery.
Plantation owners did not release free all their slaves overnight just because some new-fangled machine was invented. The US army came in and freed the slaves.
>The government also subsidized it for a long fucking time
True. But then through the power of democracy, the people were able to install a new government that abolished slavery.
Nicholas Edwards
we don't really make the distinction between tendies and nuggets in colloquial speech, nuggets isn't even translated. Blanc de poulet and escalope usually refers to the piece of chicken without the breadcrumbs
Charles Carter
Because anarchy is internationalist and if a state refuses to to accept anarchy then you wouldn't have anarcho capitalism. All government need to disolve at once or a state will simply take over the balkinized ancap communties across the globe.
Caleb Rivera
Yeah, but do you really want to be completely dependent on other countries for your food supply?
Xavier Turner
These libertarian right threads are chocked full of left brained parasitic subhuman sub-130 iq trash that cannot comprehend the simple laws of the creator. What a waste of time. Later nigger cattle, just remember eugenics ultimate expression of itself is absolute freedom. Whites rule in a contributionist and anarchic society.
Ryder Ortiz
or maybe you're just not grasping the issue. Don't pretend I don't understand supply and demand just because you're too stupid to see the problem. the food isn't expensive because it is imported. there is no "supply goes up to meet demand, because it's a good place to capitalise" Doesn't make it that far. So then the issue becomes that your reliant on imports- so you'd better pray to whatever gods you have that you have something to export in turn. And all things held equal, the only thing you really have to offer is cheaper labour.
Samuel Mitchell
>where does the food come from? Somebody turn this into a fucking brain meme of arguments against libertarianism and put this at the end
Jeremiah Lewis
>Yeah, but do you really want to be completely dependent on other countries for your food supply? Again, a totally ridiculous hypothetical argument. After transport costs and transactions costs, THERE IS NO WORLD in which it is cheaper to buy basic food which I can plant in my back garden now than it would be to import it across half the world.
The price goes up a bit? Well guess what, I employ some local people to grow my garden, and I sell it at the market.
The reason the West are no longer farmers are because we can all achieve higher seeking jobs. Do not mistake that for an inability to farm.
Easton Martinez
You do realize the wars in the middle east are about privatizing banks? Ghadaffi, Saddam, and Assad all have/had state owned banks. It was those who wanted the free up the market who wanted those wars.
Also, the gold standard is a meme. There isn't enough gold in the world to have a true capitalist world. If one nation doesn't have a gold standard then it can just be a new fiat currency situation where they inflate the military to overthrow the gold standard nations.
Gabriel Green
Stay and argue with them. Bring them around.
Hudson Clark
But farmland itself in finite. The government therefore has an interest in protecting that farmland from being developed and paved over. Any finite resource has to be regulated to prevent it from being squandered. And this is honestly something it needs to do more of. We're losing too many farm fields to land developers building new houses for retiring baby boomers.
Nicholas Reed
So what if I shared a pond with another covenant and I shat in my part of the pond but it floats over to him, causing the death of his children that ate the shit, mistaking it for a fish floating at the surface ?
Am I to blame and can he retaliate, because it was a passive violation of the NAP or is it fine, because I simply had to do it ?
Asher Diaz
are you literally me?
Leo Harris
>114 million native Americans
>Only one million Germans killed in concentration camps by Americans
Colton Rogers
>the food isn't expensive because it is imported. Because with competition the market price has come down. So in your world, I'm unable to produce anything (of course I can, but I can do better paying jobs, so I choose to) and there is only one other producer who has a monopoly (another impossible scenario). If they raise their price, I will go somewhere else. If they all raise their prices (the only case this happens is OPEC), then I will produce it myself, or someone else will enter the market.
Andrew Jones
you're acting as if you could grow food the instant the tariffs go up
Xavier Cruz
>But farmland itself in finite. The government therefore has an interest in protecting that farmland from being developed and paved over. Any finite resource has to be regulated to prevent it from being squandered. And this is honestly something it needs to do more of. We're losing too many farm fields to land developers building new houses for retiring baby boomers. Because the market values new houses over farmland. If it didn't, we'd all knock down houses to build farms.
Michael Anderson
sorry Are you fucking retarded? Capitalism is literally just "Hey dude, I have a dollar. Can I get an egg?" NONE OF THE SHIT YOU HAVE LISTED HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH CAPITALISM EXCEPT THAT IT HAPPENED UNDER A CAPITALIST SOCIETY BUT OH FUCKING WAIT HALF OF THOSE THINGS DIDNT EVEN HAPPEN WHEN CAPITALISM WAS A THING YOU FUCKING RETARD GET A HELIUM TANK AND OFF YOURSELF, COURTESY OF CAPITALISM
>the power of democracy Explain why ancap would lead to slavery. It's more likely a state would go full tyrannical despite being initially democratic. Like with Hitler. Also thanks to the actions of your wonderful democracy Libya now has open market slave auctions.
Carson Garcia
>Because the market values new houses over farmland.
And that's the problem. The market always favors short-term profit regardless of long-term consequences.
Logan Powell
Of course I couldn't, but I would expect that I have a contract with my supplier that he will provide me x food at x price for x time. I can also take out financial contracts to hedge against the price fluctuating (as many farmers currently do).
The entire economy is built on confidence and foresight.
And who are you to determine what is worthwhile in the long run?
Wyatt Barnes
>but no confidence in government
who's enforcing those contracts? your private army?
Julian Cook
Who decides what they enforce? That's literally the entire point of the legislature, and your idea precludes the other two concepts set up in the majority of democratic republics.
It seems like that type of government generally creeps into an authoritarian (((republic))) over time.
Isaiah Fisher
A judicial court of law, like any contract breach.
Xavier Bell
Answer my toth-approved question, please.
Colton Smith
>Explain why ancap would lead to slavery.
Because slavery is quite profitable in some areas. The only reason it stopped is because the government stepped in to outlaw it. The government stepped in and said "no, this is immoral, you may not do this, no matter how profitable it might be for you."
You've stumbled upon a fundamental point of contention within the capitalist v. socialist debate.
Socialists advocate for central-planning by a government as you are now. You are advocating that the government allocate how the land should be used.
Capitalist would leave this to the free market. This means all the actors (persons, groups, organisations and businesses) through voluntary cooperation decide to trade their economic resources together. This produces the best allocation of goods. In fact communists in Soviet Russia initially refused to even put prices on economic resources (things of value that are rare or finite in quantity).
Later on they had. Prices gave a good indication of what was in demand and was not.
> Any finite resource has to be regulated to prevent it from being squandered Regulation does more harm than good. Finite resources would be allocated based on price. Say I have a huge swath of land far away from the city and far away from a suburban area. It wouldn't be in my interest to develop housing. If my land is fertile I might grow corn, and let's say the soil I have is perfect for corn but not for tomatoes, potatoes or anything else besides corn. Meaning if I grow corn and say the entire processing of planting, watering, protecting, and harvesting my crop per year is $600,000. This is regardless of whether I plant tomato, carrots or potatoes.
Since my goal is profit I want the plant which will yield the most fruit. Since the soil is suited to corn. I'll plant corn since if I planted tomatoes I wouldn't get as much yield and I might find that the plants begin to rot or become vulnerable to insects.
By simply setting profit as my goal, which wouldn't be hard to impose on people since when people decide to open a business they do so mostly with the express purpose of making money, the free market has allocated the resources to their best use simply because the best use is the most profitable.
Ian Phillips
>fiat currency collapses >enforcement power of state fails >"i won't shoot folks for free!" >wtf we're somalia now >people choose >some choose to be assholes and form ministates >others choose not to be assholes and remain ancap because it's the natural state of mankind >anbaps meanwhile never even notice and thrive >now they are having fifteen or twenty living children a family >now one hurts them because they are the only ones who know how to do anything at all anymore and unless you want to go to los angeles and play cannibal durby they are good to have around >eventually all other ways of life die out >all n. america becomes a pristine wilderness speckled with anbap colonies which never exceed 250 people >hunting, fishing, gathering all possible again >massive forests harvested by two-man saw and mules >innovations in beauty and truth we cannot even imagine >a thousand years later, everyone has become indigenous again >the end
Ethan Brooks
I remember voting for something like this and the results came out as like 50% 50% libertarian/fascist
Christopher Harris
Equality is a false god
Isaiah Myers
>99.99% of everyone who lived in the country is now dead >this is a good thing
>▶ > >Reminder that nazi germany was the freest society of the past century >not the European monarchies predating the end of WWI Hitler should have reinstated monarchy like he promised, we wouldn't be in this mess if he did.
Asher Davis
Something went wrong.
Isaac Harris
Fucked up my post. was only meant for
Blake Campbell
Anyone here looking forward to Caplan's new book?
Tyler Collins
>Neo-Lib fuck off hill dawg
Colton Baker
>The only reason it stopped is because the government stepped in to outlaw it.
>Britain gets industrialized >doesn't need slaves anymore >bans slavery
>the north gets industrialized >doesn't need slaves anymore >bans slavery >the south still needs them >war It had fuck all to do with morality. It was always about control. If it were still profitable for the upper echelon of society it would still be done.
>Because slavery is quite profitable in some areas. Specific examples and why the fuck would a government solve it more effectively than the market. Women forced into prostitution are forced into slavery more often because prostitution is illegal. Who would go to such a shady brothel if it were legal?
William Nelson
Nice to see that you faggots scare away from real debate.
Typical Libetarian faggots.
>dude weed lmao >420 blaze it broseph watson lel >lel open borders ;DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Fuck you and your crypto-Jesus Gary Johnson. Fucking faggots.
Zachary Diaz
>fiat currency collapses Because it is so not collapsing at the moment. Worst IPO ever.
You forgot the part where normal humans (read: 99.99% of the population) form a private military to protect themselves.
Anyway, I'm not an ancap so I cba defending their ideology.
Grayson Parker
Your comment was beyond ridiculous....Really? What a way to throw in the victim card..
Whites definitely team up once there is a common enemy in their sacred little neighborhoods..They rarely welcome them with open arms...I have no clue what suburbs you have ever been to or lived in where non-whites come into neighborhoods and separated whites...They actually bring them together....How does hiring less qualifed whites over a non white race even help build any establishment...Any real business man would see that is just counterproductive and not wise by any stretch of the imagination...Most of the non-whites were full on being discriminated against..watching whites with lower performances be awarded and promoted..It was just unfair in general.
