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Actually, it legit failed over migrants.

Christianity hadn't been invented yet. Catholicism is not to blame. The Jews opened the gates.

Cucks destroyed Rome.

degenerecy

Decadence

op is a retard faggot

I thought it was germs then huns

Fake News. It was the Barbarians, everyone already knows that.

>you realize history is cyclical, and whether it was Christian or not, rome had already gotten to a point, where it was destined to fall

It was conquered by barbarians then bar bars destroyed everything and brought feudalism and the end of all progress until Barbara were knocked the fuck out of civilization and the disgusting feudalism was destroyed.

This.
And weak men. Like the lefties.

>it's a "jews invent a cuck religion to weaken a strong state by distracting its citizens from nationalism" episode

again the jew.

Germanic pagans destroyed Rome and all civilization for s thousand years.

rome was destroyed by basketball and weedsmoke

It fell because of decadence, liberalism, and migration.

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Byzantium lasted until 1453, and was also Christian. Edward Gibbon was wrong.

It also wasn't destroyed by retarded primitives.

Plague reduced the available manpower of the roman army, to the point that they could no longer preemptively destroy threats before they entered roman territory.

Instead they were forced to respond to incursions already in progress. Even when swiftly routed these invasions did damage to roman infrastructure.

The result was a slow death by a thousand cuts.

no, just muslims

I swear kikes are in full force today

The Jews didn't invent Christianity, it was a psyop that backfired. Julius Ceasar wanted to trick the Jews into being subservient taxpayers, but it backfired when Mad Paul Saul of Tarsus started converting the goyim, the jews were resistant to the psyop, but the goyim were not.

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>Rome fell because of degeneracy and America is going down the same path.

Actual snow-niggers destroyed Rome.

the head of Rome has 1,200,000,000 people in its empire now

Rome fell because of the shitheaded, illiterate, pagan Germanics that this board worships. It wasn't until they converted, learned to read, and started to mimic the Romans that European civilization started to move forward again.

>looks like the JDIF are back from their coma...welcome back shlomos.

Rome fell because the citizenry became complacent, decadent and no longer held any idealized belief in Roman civilization. Increasingly, they relied on mercenary forces instead of badass citizen-soldiers who were spreading the light of their civilization to the barbaric edges of their world, and you had a bunch of inept asshole elites running the homeland--the Romeland--into the ground as they pilfered it to fund their degeneracies.

There hasn't been Christianity in centuries

If you're not killing homosexuals then you're not Christian or Jew as it says in the law to put them to death.

And before you say that's old testament..

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17)

Practice your faith or don't claim to be that faith

If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. Leviticus 20:13

“It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17)

Christians my ass

>Bad famines
>Bloated Bureaucracy
>Constant civil wars
>Inefficient administration
>Uplifted Barbarians going turncoat
>New migrations from Asia
>Splitting of the Empire

The Roman upper class was always degenerate as fuck, but out of control internal politics brought about by complacency combined with unavoidable natural factors, rapidly-changing exterior factors, moving towards decentralized rule, and economic recession are what brought down the Empire.

The fact that the Western Empire held out as long as it did and that Byzantium held out for another thousand years as a great power proves that latter-day Rome was effective as shit.

But but Emperor Constantine I won because of the power of Christ. 'In Hoc Signo Vinces'

Gal 3:6-9; Gal 5:1-6; Rom 7:15-19;etc.
That WAS THE OLD LAW, IF YOU DO THAT YOU ARE JEWISH.

No it didn't

Rome was an enemy of the European people so whoever destroyed did something right

If by the bent you mean technological progress order civilization effective bearacracy best economy roads that still in use today bridges still in use today aqueducts still in use today statues still alive today literature still alive today philosophy and technology still alive today written language still alive today the very script of these letters etc...

The fall of Rome was the worst tragedy in the history of the world.

Who brought Christianity.

The poor, weak religion of the levantine mongrel hordes.

Weak compared to who?

Rome fell because of high taxes. People just walked away from their properties. And it takes a lot of cash to run an Empire.
The whole migrant immigration thing didn't help either.

Christianity was STATE religion in the Byzantine empire, it advanced technology and was the most advanced state in the entire world until its downfall in 1453 where they fled new Rome and enlightened the barbarians in Europe.

jew detected

those people need to move, that tree is going to fall on them

Catholics and immigrants

have you ever stopped to consider where it was you learned this idea?

your jew controlled education? what coincidence

perhaps it was the jewish TV that kept you blissfully ignorant? why fancy that, who would have such a motive?

maybe you read it in a book published or even written by jews? starting to see the pattern?

Christianity was not a detriment to Rome. quite the contrary in fact, it helped to unify Rome in a time of crisis. after the plagues and famine of the 3rd century, the only thing holding the western empire together was the church, but that was not enough to maintain an empire that was a shadow of itself even a century prior.

Actually, it legit failed because the lead on the pipes.

pagan retard detected

the western empire was far from efficient and the eastern empire adapted because of the threat of Islam.
they nearly rebuilt the entire structure of their government just to stop the muslim invasions.

Same pipes were used in Byzantium, which didn't fall.

>Rome became mostly Christian by ~400
>Fell 75 years later
Really makes you think. Maybe a foreign, pacifistic religion with no relation to their blood or culture really did a number on them

rome fell because of degeneracy and a bunch of dirty migrants

it failed because of socialism

It wasn't due to Christianity, it was due to immigration of Germanics, the Romans could not maintain a cultural hold.

Though - as they say. Rome goes where Civilization goes.

Without Christianity, Europe would be more land under the belly of Islam, with immigration from tons of Muslim countries rushing in.

>world became secular around 75 years ago
>white people not birthing enough children importing massive foreigners and having trans surgeries
Really makes you think, maybe having no faith really transformed them back into the barbarians they once were.

>Rome was destroyed by the inflation of their currency, a welfare system, and multiculturalism... Sound familiar? It went the way of every failed leftest-hijacked country.

europe would have been better off under islam than cuckstianity that is for sure

although paganism would have made us all powerful no question

it was always socialist.

Christianity only spread so successfully in Rome because life got so terrible during the crisis of the 3rd Century. A lot of salvation cults grew very powerful during this period because life was shit as a result of constant civil wars brought about by the failures of the principate. Christianity was not the cause of Rome's decline, it was a symptom.

you do realize that most of the Germanic tribes that invaded the Western Roman Empire were Christian right? Or what about the fact that the most Christian part of the Empire survived until the 15th century?

the population centers were mostly Christian by 325. geographically, yes, Christianity had not spread to much of the frontier territories, but the majority of the population was already.

as for your accusation that Christianity is a "pacifistic religion," you'd do well to remember that the barbarians who made invaded and conquered roman territory either were Christian or quickly converted. for example, Odoacer, the man who actually finished off the Western Empire, was an Arian Chirstian and so were the vast majority of his soldiers. so to imply that Christianity made Rome weak is paradoxical as many of the people that conquered it were Christian themselves.

All of Rome became Christian, east and west, and the east held on another 1,000 years, your view doesn't hold up. Besides, if Christianity is a foreign, pacifistic reigion with no relation to blood and culture, what does that say about the pathetic beliefs that fell to it?

So what you are saying is that you want us all to become inbred and deteriorate us to the level of Muslims?
>Paganism would have made us powerful
By what, having beliefs that can be disproven when you leave you're basement?
By having human sacrifices and gay sex?
By making us pray to fire?

Rome was dicked on due to an overreliance on contracted mercenaries, a degrading army and a lack of strong leaders. Strategic and economic stagnation fucked them hard.

It failed because of Multiculturalism

>europe would have been better off if we all became arab rape slaves a thousand years ago
>paganism stronk despite being consistently beaten by Christianiaty

you spout Jewish sentiments in a vain attempt to reclaim a faith your ancestors barely held onto themselves, a faith that they were incredibly casual with to the point of accepting Rome enforcing its own gods upon their pantheon. you're a walking irony, an idiot who freely discard truth because it is inconvenient.

Hold on everyone I got this.

Rome never truly fell. We're living the Fourth Reich, controlled by the New Rome via the Vatican.

Rome lives to this day, preserved through the traditions of the Orthodox church

Battle at the Milvian Bridge
Date 28 October 312
Location Ponte Milvio, Rome
Result Decisive Constantinian victory

Pagans BTFO since 312

Every age has it's myths. In this age, Christians of the past are portrayed as irrational, superstitious idiots. The history we learn today is a parody of Christian history created by modern thinkers.

This isn't to say that Christianity didn't ever cause bad things, but the bad things Christianity has caused have been exaggerated, and no one recognizes the good the religion has caused.

Nothing to discuss, you're an illiterate Gibbonfag who prefers easy explanations.

My point was that they were far from muh degenerate contemporary Western World analogue and got JUST'd by overwhelming factors they couldn't have planned contingencies for.

no, Christianity marked the beginning of a new cycle.

The first Christian emperor (Constantine) also moved the capital from Rome to Byzantium (Constantinople).

Degeneracy marked the fall of Rome. Christianity marked its rebirth

>Degeneracy marked the fall of Rome

Kys

>Jews are proud of killing life
Makes sense.

Rome fell because of massive corruption and multicult

Oh yeah im sure it was christianity and nothing to do with the fucking retards killing and assassinating each other for the position of emperor. Kill yourself faggot.

in late 3rd early 4th century rome there were many violent christian groups that were partially responsible for the destruction of the civilization

This user is your friend, he fights for freedom

Rome fell because of the goddamn motherfucking roaches known as turks

>Euros fall into their own trap and fool themselves into genociding their enemies.

>that were partially responsible for the destruction of the civilization

Fpbb

Rome fell because it expanded farther than it could control, and included to many people who only were "Roman" to enjoy living in a city for free and not really participate in the actual country building and maintaining. Not to mention that because they expanded so much it made itself a target for every raider, barbarian, and other nations, forcing Rome to spread itself out thin.

Those aren't jews. Get back on your meds.

No seriously it's immigration, ceaser declared every one and any one a roman citizen. Immigration ruined Rome.

the cuck explanation is that rome was sorrounded by chaos.
and they couldn't trade with chaos.
economics.

It wasn't so much immigration as it was centuries of giving those immigrants/barbarians Roman-tier education. If the Roman Empire had left Moors, Franks, and Germanics uneducated, Rome would've been fine.

Read Invisible Armies. Roman Barbarians only invaded civilized land because due to Roman influence, they became civilized and so desired civilized land with infrastructure instead of just fighting Hun invaders in open combat like they would have done.

t.Retards who literally know nothing about Roman history or the decline at the end of the republic that saw soldiers attached to generals rather then the state which in turn caused excessive civil wars for dominance destabilizing the empire as new provinces were conquered for riches to pay their soldiers which in turn bought more loyalty, this coupled with the extreme amount of bureaucracy the senators and the upper class were engaged in making the empire a mess of red-tape and impossible to manage leaving openings in the Roman information distribution which was already lacking because of the lack of technological means, while this happened after centuries of corrupting and mismanagement the Western Roman empire got caught with its pants down as GERMANIC tribe after GERMANIC tribe pillaged the north and eventually sacked Rome collapsing the Western Roman empire because the legions were ineffective and couldn't cover their loses while the eastern Roman empire and it's new assimilation laws in Anatolia aided them in refashioning their legions to effectively fight off or pay off the hordes of barbaric tribes that would be the base of Europe in the future.

You delusional retards have to actually research this shit instead of hyper-imposing your issues with what the truth actually is out there "MUH IMMIGRANTS" is a fucking retarded way at seeing what actually happen to Rome, Immigrants weren't even allowed on main land Rome only Romans and there was no more land to give out anyway, people gained citizenship through service but that just meant they paid taxes and had rights, it didn't mean they just started.....whatever it is you think they did, you people are retarded.

What's to discus?

Christians are gigantic pussies. No wonder a masculine religion like Islam is cucking Europe right now

That is incorrect. What your are talking about happened hundreds of years after Caesar under the Emperor Carracella. Fuckn I thought leafs had a good education system.

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These types of idiot combine thousands of years of history together it is amazing. Someone actually said Greece was ruined by turks after their golden age, TURKS DIDN'T COME AROUND FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS AFTER THE GREEK GOLDEN AGE.

what did the turks do once they entered greece?

Fp;Bp

>Germanics introduced Christ to the Roman Empire
>This is your brain on Pagan logic