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How do we justify our extensive military presence abroad?

Were running a massive defecit with 20 trillion in debt. Give me an argument as to why we shouldnt cut military spending by 30% and closing 80% of our over seas bases

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Because world police.
You have to protect me from the imminent restoration of the Japanese Empire.

because the people making your military equipment is paying your politicians to keep spending tax dollars on their products

its simple, really

Have to defend freedom.

The costs of our military aren't what doubled the national debt under Obama...

The civilized world is at peace because of US presence. Being allied to the US guarantees its protection, and response time is everything today.

>implying muh national debt isn't just a political meme
We run the financial system, we do as we please.

Can you agree that our military spending has reached unecessary levels?

What did then? Not disagreeing with you

You could do with cutting military a bit.

But your ridiculous military basically means it doesn't matter how much debt you accumulate because no one can ever force you to pay it.

How much does American Defense cost per year?

>unecessary levels
Are you serious? We need to spend more, China and Russia are catching up pretty fast.

About $600 billion

Yeah but at some point people could just refuse to keep lending them money.

>How do we justify our extensive military presence abroad?
We don't have to.

700 foreign bases is not that much really

>at some point people could just refuse to keep lending them money
You mean the money that we print?

You can't.

Yankee go the fuck home.

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and because its a jobs program for kids of republican southerners, its gibsmedat

Military pays for itself as long as you employ your superpower status to make more money by getting preferential deals with other countries.

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The rest of the world is degenerate and/or niggers. We need our military for protection.

Dude, you are saving beatiful shitskin babies all over the world, isnt that enough?

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>We need to spend more, China and Russia are catching up pretty fast
these countries do more with less
they let us do all the legwork then they hack our shit and steal our designs

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seriously nigger?

it's because without the military, we become third world TOMORROW. we consume 19 million barrels of oil per day and produce less than half of that.

ain't a fucking game faggot.

>Strongest air force in the world: United States
>2nd strongest air force in the world: United States Navy

You can make a great career out of the military. I would rather have the government spend money on giving thousands of people opportunities at a future, rather than subsidizing thousands of Qwuifizqua and her 8 kids.

Tell us Canada how integrated you are again?

We are so jealous of your brown utopia.

because freedumbz

fuck are you talking about nigger

And all that force used for kike agenda. Sad!

>Were running a massive defecit with 20 trillion in debt.

I dont see a problem with that.

>Give me an argument as to why we shouldnt cut military spending by 30% and closing 80% of our over seas bases

because you're america, remember?

Hey nigger. Its a message to all the Canacucks that pride themselves on letting slant eyes and shit skins dot and towel heads into their country. Because of their SHITSKIN love. Our servers got hacked!

Thanks Canacucks!

Your post made light that the Slant Eyed Chinese Spy lived in CANAKEK!

Thank You Canacucks for showing the rest of the world what a lovely shitskin utopia you have. We Whiteys are so jealous of all the low income brownies your country has integrated into the nation. Like Chinese Spies.

The thing that America is best at is influence. You have to keep your influence up worldwide or else other major world powers will emerge, like Russia or China.

If America pulled out of Eastern Europe, South Korea, and Japan, this would leave a void to be filled, and it'd probably be Russia and China.

WE're the super power its literally what you do when you super power. Imagine not being Rome, British Empire (not today's shitty version), Napoleonic France, Nazi Germany.

ITs what you do.

In 1000 years they will talk of us fucking up shit wehrever we wanted to. They wont talk about europoors or brazil or whatever.

Debts will be cleared in the next world war. We simply need to prefect anti-icbm tech and were good to go

why are you posting this here then? this is a thread about the wasteful expenditure known as world policing

make your own thread, stupid nigger

>about the wasteful expenditure known as world policing
okay then, pull out of your agreements with australia and watch as you lose control of your spy satellites over all of asia

oh, I read your whole post
gotcha
guess Im the stupid nigger this time HAHA

is that because you're all asian?
>be nice to us or we'll steal your shit and sell you out to the highest bidder?
top ally

Because you're a Jewish military vassal and you couldn't stop it if you wanted to.

Because without it they could call our debt and invade us as compensation for the massive unpaid debt.

Even with it gone totally it would barely make a dent in the debt. The debt comes from entitlement gibs me Dat welfare and from welfare for the Jewish financial institutions.

But if we keep said military we can gradually work to pay this horrible Jewish debt down and maybe even pass a constitutional amendment so it never happens again because nobody will Fuck with us while we have our military.

Also it creates jobs

We are the global petroleum-banking army; what entity is going to collect on that debt if we become (((insolvent)))?

Obama literally funded slush funds with billions of dollars, bailed out the us auto industry and the banks, gave fuck tons to Iran (this is what we know) made deals to give fuck tons to Palestine and you gotta factor all the funding we paid Isis. Our intelligence budgets are outrageous as well if not worse then our military expenses but a lot of it is very secretive and to even look at the information you gotta be part of an approve accounting firm with high levels of security clearance. So that's helped push us down. Literally Obama being a crooked nigger.

>he doesn't know what pine gap is
see you after you lose JORN you stupid fuck

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You forgot the Marines

I dunno dude like, I just can't understand why we can't be peaceful and just chill brah. I think the world should look up to California as a role model, we are the most chill, diverse and peaceful place on the planet. We care about minorities, the environment and world peace.

It's just like, such a good waste of chakra to spend so much on war tools you know?

>How do we justify our extensive military presence abroad?
So you're saying you think complete and utter dominance isn't a good reason?

We have a problem with spending an absurd amount of money on R&D projects just end up getting canceled. Also the Russians and Chinese still can't build planes and other equipment as good as we can even though they supposedly have stolen lots of secrets.

Russia and China are boxed in geographically by the US at every side that matters, get the fuck out of here you dumbcunt seppo.

As someone who works in the military, we are extremely underfunded. I don't know if you know this, but there's a lot of people in the world that would love to see the US dead and the only thing standing in their way is our military and armed population. The US military is operating equipment older than the people serving and being forced into this "do more with less" mentality. We should be spending more on the military to update it's tech and keep it at a superior level compared to anyone else on the planet. In the same breath though, military leadership and structure needs a complete overhaul. It's completely broken and forcing good people out leaving a lot of incompetence and arrogance left. The PC bullshit also really needs to fucking go.

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We are de facto running the world and we need to both protect our economic interests and impose them on rivals.

They will talk in Europe of Brazil about their own countries and they will ignore what happened in America in the XXth century the same way we ignore the Ming dinasty.

The american Navy it's a never ending ego power trip, justified only by itself.

You're a fucking idiot

I'm sorry I didn't realize Australia was the world's master of warfare. Maybe we should just back down and let you guys take over.

Because someone has to police the world and it should be the country with the highest GDP, before you it was the British Empire, before then it was the Romans. This is how it works, deal with it.

Beautiful, do you happen have the USMC airwing too?

prove me wrong

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The federal reserve lends money to the US government. Also, the fed is a private institution. A literal bank. They would never stop lending money. That's how they get rich

The money that the federal reserve prints. Not the US government.

Kremlin advisor reveals the only way of dealing with US ... Putin's advisor also believes that Donald Trump is just 'doing what the ruling elite expects him to do' ... The only way to stop the United States’ aggression is to get rid of dollar addiction, a Kremlin advisor said on Friday. 'The more aggressive the Americans are the sooner they will see the final collapse of the dollar as the only way for the victims of American aggression to stop this aggression is to get rid of the dollar. As soon as we and China are through with the dollar, it will be the end of the United States’ military might,' Sergey Glazyev said. Commenting on the policy of the new US president, Glazyev noted that Donald Trump is doing what the ruling elite expects him to do. 'I had no illusions about him, that he will change the policy. First, America’s aggressiveness in the world is rooted in the aspiration to preserve America’s hegemony in a situation when they have already ceded leadership in the economy to China,' he said. 'The United States has no tools to make all others use the dollar other than a truncheon. That is why they are indulging in a hybrid war with the entire world to shift the burden on their debts onto other countries, to confine all to the dollar and weaken territories they cannot control.' 'In this context, the anti-Russian hysteria and growing Russophobia can be seen as a long-term factor linked with the specific interests of the United States’ ruling elite,' the Kremlin advisor said. 'In objective terms, they are conducting a global hybrid war and in subjective terms, this war is aimed against us. More to it, as it always happens when a global leader is changed, the war is for control over rimland nations. In the period of WWI and WWII, Britain acted as a provoker in a bid to keep its global leadership. Now the United States is doing the same. And Trump expresses these interests,' he said."
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Because if the US steps down as the largest global influence, then that will create a power vacuum that China, and Russia would love to fill. That is obviously a bad idea. It took 70 years to get this powerful and to piss that all away because "m-m-m-muh feels!" Is fucking gay as hell and makes you sound like a pathetic liberal cuckold.

Job creation? Military is basically american welfare that works, creates real jobs in technology too

Iran was giving back their own money.

The problem with the alphabet agencies is that you cannot just slash them down, because of their fragmented and independent nature. You would let loose terror cells all over the world without any accountability..

The only way to solve all this shit would be to first get money out of politics and get someone with a real ideology in power like rand paul and get the painful correction over with.

An American institution, and who was it set up by?

Because you are the Roman Empire. You don't get to dismantle your empire, you have to wait for it to collapse.

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Top kek!

> As soon as China and us are done with the dollar

Lol yea because the Ruble is doing sooooooo good!

Fucking Russians are complete scum. Slavs are not white!

Wars cause debt you fucking retard?

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Let me correct that. You are the Eastern Roman Empire. The Western is Europe/England collapsing right now. America will last for a long time still, but the decline is already evident.

the US has literally the culture of every nation on Earth united under single-certain-principles. we r also the most magnanimous Nation, and we hold no aggression towards any1, unless they transgress against our sovereignty/our right to be; but we do however, get upset sometimes when other Nations dont allow their people to b as free as we r, respectfully though of course. we may have a pissing contest every now and then, but only 4 fun

whats curious to 2 me though about the deficit and bleh..., is, there is concept known as 'jubilee'; and that is an act of the purest form of love imaginable

The banks that were in debt to will collaborate and fund a war against the US which we won't be able to fight because said banks would stop lending us money. On top of that we're already $20 trillion in the hole.

We need new tanks.

The US is the poster child of multiculturalism. It prides itself for being a Jew-controlled state overrun by niggers and spics. Its greatest historical achievement was defeating the last chance for European civilisation in the 1940s. Its most notable "art" is anti-European propaganda. And its greatest export to the world is the cancer known as white guilt. I'd say people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones but in your case it should be that you shouldn't fire Tomahawks.

You are lower than a fucking leaf and you need to realise that.

Justification? We're the king motherfucker.

If the USA didn't rule the world, someone else would.

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Are you retarded or do you actually believe this?

>How do we justify our extensive military presence abroad?

Because if we weren't doing it, somebody else would. It's always best to be number 1 if you can manage it.

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its an investment. America has a place at most every bargaining table in the world. You get more of what you want with a kind word and a gun than you do with just a kind word.

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Because turtle builds suck OP we need early game harassment

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>russian life expectancy

>justify
guess what, we dont fucking have to
we're america and we do what we want and fuck what everyone else thinks
get with the fucking program you jew

it got mixed up with the oil production numbers

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1. Bringing back troops would require massive building of military bases in home.
2. Most host countries actually pay for maintenance of US bases in their soil, basing them in US would be more expensive.
3. Your capability to operate overseas would be crippled.
4. Maintaining trade routes would become harder.
5. US would lose political and diplomatic influence around world.
6. That would hurt US economy.
7. Military industrial complex the biggest regional gibsmedat program in US.
8. Status of USD as de-facto global reserve currency would collapse.
9. That would lead to complete reset of US economic system.

Those dunderheads in Russia need to realize they are playing with fire. They have a weak, one dimensional natural gas based economy. The US natural gas tech and deposits could flood the natural gas market with cheap American gas. The US is currently holding back on natural gas. It'd be a great blow to the russians if they stopped holding back.

Didn't you retards get BTFO by a group of US soldiers when they were cucking aussies out of their own women?

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the shareholders aren't public info. Only the couple people appointed to the board. Why don't you do a little research on it bud? It's the ultimate banking redpill

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we also have multiple hearts, metaphorically speaking: (the body being the country, heart being a city) we have a heart in our legs, arms, brain, & chest, and we can also function off of pure instinct

That B-2 bomber is so fucking expensive only due to program being cut to 21 planes. Unit cost would be way lower if they had actually built the 132 planes they originally planned or even with immediate post cold war 96 plane plan.

It is pretty much text book example of procurement death spiral driving unit cost into insanity.