Free college

Give me one good reason as to why college shouldn't be free.
It should be a civil responsibility and a right for our population to receive higher education without having to be a debt slave to the Jews for eternity.

>tfw the left is actually trying to pee into an ocean of piss, just because we doxxed professor ulock
saged goes without saying

I'd also like to get a free education, but from somewhere that isn't a liberal propaganda hate machine. I guess we can't get everything we want, eh OP?

I'm not a leftist. I'm a conservative from The Donald and I'm genuinely curious as to why you guys don't support free college.
Btw, not an argument

But there is a way to make it possible, so let me tell you how Bernie can still win.

If you were curious about it just dig through the archives, we have this slide thread 100 times a day.
Fuck off where you came from, /r/scum.

college isn't for everybody. unless your major is STEM, Medical, Law, etc. then you don't need to go to college. its best for people to look for jobs that aren't being taken up. because a lot of students are being filled the false narrative that they can become a mechanical engineer and get a job instantly

Most careers should follow the model of the trucking industry. You sign a contract for X amount of years, and in-exchange they train you and pay you a lowish starting wage to eat the cost. After your contract is up you can move on or stay in. You can also opt out early and be in debt, but you'll still have a skill coming out.

If people go into education unable to get a job because they learnt trash, then maybe there is too much education.

Engineering and science should be free. And liberal arts and drama should be x10 the cost to pay for it

1. We shouldn't be reliant on college. High school should be better and have higher standards, as it has degraded severely into almost day care. Trade schools are fine as well.

2. No one owes you anything.

3. Higher education is over priced in part because people keep paying it. Stop demanding so many ridiculous bells and whistles, and get back to schools being schools. It's cheaper.

4. No matter what the good or service is, someone somewhere is paying for it. Nothing is free. What you are demanding is someone to give something to you because you feel entitled. That isn't the way the real world works, or how the US was set up.

It's not free to begin with. Someone's paying for it. What you're really asking is why should strangers pay for your higher education.

Well, why should they, OP? Out of the generous nature of their hearts? Because someone's shoving a gun in their back? Because you've promised to suck their dicks for the next 10 years on demand? Why?

>why college shouldn't be free
because class struggle is real
children of poor people must remain be poor

because your education needs to be mated to your career, not just whatever you feel like doing. Free education means infinitely more worthless majors and future protestors

cause I bet it wouldn't cover my education (Law School)

if I have to pay out the ass so should the gender studies cunts

>Give me one good reason as to why college shouldn't be free.
because you dont have the money to pay for it
/thread

If college was free, then you'd need a Master's to get a decent job

You already answered with your picture.

STOP TRYING TO 'EDUCATE' EVERYONE

Nothing should be free.

trade school should be free, not liberal diploma factories

your humanities degree adds nothing to society, why should others pay so you can avoid working for an extra 4+ years? STEM degrees are the best investment in your own future you can make, so again why should society pay vs taking out your own loans or working for a few years first?

If you want it to be free they would need to seriously limit enrollment. Make it almost imposssible to qualify and get rid of affirmative action

because its impossible

>you have good grades
>you can get a free education
>state even pays you a bit
>not so good grades
>you're probably gonna pay
>you didn't complete a session, dropped out, it ain't free anymore

This seems natural.

because degree programs in humanities exist.

make college free for engineers, scientists and other degrees with high societal utility.

people who want to waste time on gender studies should pay for it themselves.

No money for college dont go to college but thats to smart for you i guess

because it's not free and it's not up to the state to make that kind of descisions

>free

>I didnt get a degree so everyone who wants one should get fucked

>You dont need a degree, I got an entry level position at my dad's company, 400k starting

>Every college student is a feminist liberal arts student so they should suffer. Yes, no other profession exists, and they should suck shit too

Pick one

Our colleges are shit anyway they have a lot of mandatory fluff around every course to suck every penny they can out of the middle class. A lot of European countries have "free" college, but they also do it better in general.

The real problem is the jew in the banking system who are trying to profit from student loans and not the loans themselves.
Socialism in every form attracts and creates commie scum,especially in such age demographics.

Devalues the purpose of having a degree in the first place, it reduces your marketability. If everyone has a degree, this means more candidates and a lesser chance of you getting hired for your field of work.

>High school should be better and have higher standards
This. No one ever mentions how terrible modern US high school education is. It needs massive overhaul.

The cost of college should also be addressed. The easiest way to do this is for the government to cut funding for schools until they fix their budgets and adjust tuition, as well as stop writing loans to everyone. Just because Sallie Mae will give you a loan with 12% interest doesn't mean you should take out $80k in debt to get a history degree.

What we should be doing is improving high school and overhauling the collegiate system so that people going into fields with high returns are given loans, and those going into fields that have no hope of paying back loans are denied. College should be affordable, yes, but you shouldn't get a degree in something pointless. That doesn't make you smart.

If you get all A's and have a degree in STEM then it is on the table.

>shouldn't
Not the issue dude. College (and anything) is NOT free. Not a matter of should or shouldn't, just the way things work.

If you want college to pay off, either work to earn a scholarship or take a student loan and treat your higher education as an investment instead of adult day care. You shouldn't even be bothering otherwise. There's already more than enough useless debt slave BA's slinging coffee and busing tables for living.

We don't like higher taxes. Also, with free college, I generally think that many people do not deserve to go. Why should I give money to someone to have a rent-free 4 year education if they don't deserve it and are just using it to fuck around with college chicks or dick around with druggies? What needs to change is how colleges operate, especially the private schools, who waste an enormous amount of money and then just increase tuition. On top of that, I don't think we need college aside from STEM. ON TOP OF THAT, this gives kids more incentive to go right after highschool and then go with a vague idea of what they want to do in life only to go back and waste more tax dollars.

Nah, not having that. Half of that was anecdotal, while the other half wasn't.

These fags should thank the clintons who made college debt non-dischargeable under bankruptcy.
For that alone they should hang.

OP is actually a memer

THIS

Whats the market value for a college diploma nowadays?

In what fields is the risk ( money spent) worth the reward? ( money gained.)

If you go to college and get a shit degree thats your own bad analytical tactics.

And by college being free, free for whom? Where will the money come from to make this college free? Few if any institutions and their professors will work for free. Soooo... taxes? But not form you right? Because then it wouldn't be "free"... for you.

We have an infestation of liberals in our colleges, user. These people DON'T deserve free college.

I paid for my college. I am not going to pay for your now that i am middle class tax payer.

Give me one good reason why it should be.

Surely that's a better alternative to having most of our youth be in debt for the rest of their lives.

I'm gonna have to say something here. I know lots of ppl with STEM degrees (including myself) and it's really getting harder and harder to find a job. The amount of exp needed for entry level jobs is insane. Hell I have an MBA too.

I have a simple solution: make all STEM fields free. Make them more competitive so only the best are chosen. Every other field you don't really need a degree for. If you still want to go into a gender studies type field, then you can pay for it out of pocket.

>paying taxes for some 400 lbs landwhale to study african womans studies and then still go live on wellfare because she gets no job

Don't do this.
t. living in welfare state

Because there is no such thing as free. Someone has to pay for it, and that someone almost certainly does not benefit from another Womyns Studies barista.

there is, it's called high school

I paid mine off today. I'm an RN. I save about $2000 a month. Living that wild midwestern lifestyle.

Because it isn't that fucking expensive. Most people go to stte colleges where tuition is less than 12k per year. If you cant handle a full load of classes and a part time job you probably shouldn't be in college.

When jobs are automated college will be free

it's not even a matter of argument, it's going to happen as market insertion requires more specialization, make the stick longer or burdern your economy with more gibsmedat/ public made up jobs.

Middle education should be transformed into techschools to give people a little edge in general, while not enough for proper jobs it's a step toward STEM investment

You already have free high school. What are you doing with it?

Mainly because the length of time a person spends in college is usually directly correlated to their lack of ability to think critically. It generally offers very little in the way of an actual education and mostly serves as a propaganda tool for Leftists and Satanists. Any parent who knowingly sends their children to college is like a man who throws his infants to wolves in the hope that they will learn to survive in a "world full of wolves".

Any man or woman who willingly goes to college engages in a practice of self-deception and is a fool to think they can escape unscathed. Better to use your library card and get a real education.

You which, you probably an obese neet with no income. Like half the LARPER in those student dept thread.

because nothing is really free your retarded commie

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Did you hear this goy.
Nothing is freeeeee pay alll your liiiiife be a gooooood slaveeee listen to that jungle monkey.

I already pay approximately 40% of my income of 55k to taxes (HST, PST, Income Tax, you fucking name it.) I'll be damned if I"m going to take another tax to pay for some women's studies degree.

I didn't go to college and therefore have no emotional or mental hang-ups about giving tens of thousands of dollars to a literal Satanic plot.

this was meant for

college should be free since everyone having degrees devalues the degree. It then forces you to go get even more education to remain at all relevant. Where do we go after we make getting a PhD free and required by the population? Employers won't care you have a PhD, everyone does. This is a problem I'm seeing now as a graduate. Entry level jobs in engineering fields are starting to demand you have a master's degree. Historically, you only needed a BA for an entry level engineering position.

The mistake we are making is that we need to keep going to school, while really, we need to make high school important again. There are important, well paying jobs you can get with nothing but your high school diploma but we (the population on average) have told ourselves that those jobs are below us. My high school had phased out just about everything that wasn't math, language, history, or the boring sciences. (they also phased out doing lab experiments in those science classes). Because our school district has people in charge who say things like this: "Classes like car care, wood shop, and metal shop are useless skills that don't help you get into college. It would be better to use our funding to fund more college prep classes."

nigger college is not education its job training

>Because our school district has people in charge who say things like this: "Classes like car care, wood shop, and metal shop are useless skills that don't help you get into college. It would be better to use our funding to fund more college prep classes."
The same thing is happening in Australia. It used to be that if you weren't interested in University it was completely fine to enter into an Apprenticeship in Year 10 (That's the beginning year of high school for you I think), but now most people see Apprenticeships as below them.

So now we have an entire generation of people with useless degrees, and we're going to run out of tradies soon as well. What is the government doing to fix this? They're importing literally millions of Indians.

Reformed guild system would be best desu. Corporations should provide courses and training in some form of contract. Colleges are out of reality scam systems that guarantee nothing. They should be for elites only like medical doctors or physicists.

That's the whole idea goy! You get the skills to do your job + a reason to do so.

As someone about to graduate with a STEM degree from a good school, I will say I think college is bullshit and overall my experience was mostly frivolous. While I know this wouldn't work for everyone, had I had been able to spend the last four years self learning instead of being forced to learn 90% theoretical bullshit that I don't care about and will rarely if ever think about again, I would be miles ahead of where I am upon graduating and would be much more valuable to society.

Now I'm graduating with a degree that will guarantee me a high status job for life and I'll be making 6 figures right out of school.

I watched my class size get halved every semester and at the end, every one of the people who will graduate would have done the same with or without free education.

You already know who will benefit from free college. The same people who will hold meaningless, made up jobs. The people whose only impact on the world will be through impact on the world will be from whining to other frivolous people whose footprints are just as insignificant.

Of course this is what (((they))) want, which is why every unqualified degenerate in New York will now receive free college.

I already got free college. Because I'm intelligent, not because it was just a given. If it wasn't free, I still would have made it work. These people could have free schooling if they were worth anything, but their only worth is being (((Their))) pawns.

unsustainable, actually, it's not even feasible, so it won't get off the ground.

anything that's "free" to the consumer is ruled by continuous inflation.

If the consumer is insulated from the cost of their actions, they make poor decisions.


The reason "free" college is shit, isn't because people DESERVE to pay for it. It's because free college will actually make a college education less valuable while increasing the cost and dispersing that cost to others. It will also make the populace at large HATE college "educated" people because they will have been forced to pay for their bad decisions. Widening the already abysmal achievement gap between the educated, the "educated", and the willfully ignorant all the more.

Don't go to college for a field that doesn't pay well unless you're absolutely certain you have the money or can get the scholarships, fucking dumbasses. If you're gonna end up working at Starbucks until you're 40 either way then you might as well do it debt-free.

>give me one good reason as to why other people shoudn't pay for my education

but hey, i actually agree with you here.
college should be seen as an investment in the future of your nation; by the nation, for the nation
downside to this, partly due to globalization, is that it's a lot easier and cheaper to just get immigrants to do your jobs.

It is not "free." It is subsidised with tax 'payer' money. I do not want to subsidize Leftist indoctrination that will be used against me.

the only reason college costs money is because the government gets involved and gives loans, making everyone able to pay, making colleges able to jack up prices, and the cycle repeats.

>higher taxes
>water down the job market
>make college another 4 year obligation that perpetuates adolescence and become daycare 2.0

Why? We can barely keep up the entitlements we already have.

>taxpayers dollars to fund white upper middle class liberals's major in underwater lefthanded puppetry

If you cannot afford the college you want, than go to a cheaper school. You can get a degree from many schools. My son will soon be off to college. This is no surprise to me, I saved for it. See how that works? Work, make $$, save for future. Grow up

We can afford to give people a higher education. What we can't afford is to send everyone to college: a $50,000/year resort for 18-22 year-olds to dick around for four years before they go out into the real world. With the exception of specialized fields like STEM, liberal arts can be taught for cheap by either extending high school or sending kids to community college.

Why we would do this is beyond me. Sending more kids to college doesn't create better paying jobs. I guess it enriches their minds, but many of the people who are going to college nowadays are doing it with the expectation of improved future job prospects, not because they're truly interested in reading John Stuart Mill.

>you don't need to go to college
>go do minimum wage labor

STEMfags need to be gassed

Wage slave jobs are trash. What you need is a skill.

and yet, all the illegals that come into your country get it for free, but americans themselves don't

financial liability actually makes you learn a subject

it also incentivizes higher education standards from institutions competing for your money

t. Engineer who is paying for his degree

except that all that does not happen in countries that have free education. so your whole post is theoretical but not supported b any facts, and is therefore bullshit and false. (you may thnk me for this analysis - which is the sort of critical thinking you learn if you go to college and get a degree with no fees and indeed a student grant to support you... which is what happens in my civilised country)

What is free has no value. So we should wait until we are 30 with two master's degrees to get a good job? That's the inevitable result. Wait to have families as well, it's all part the same systemic plan to disempower and indoctrinate the populace

Eliminate college funding instead. Let them compete based on the merit of their classes and watch as SJW courses vanish like dust in the wind while STEM enters a golden age, and prices stay competitive. Private educational institutes right now only have to compete with bloated educational institutes, so they're exploitative shit too. A freer marker would solve all problems.

All degrees should have a state mandated test or series of tests as it's only gate, so that self-education works too. Only difficulty is to prevent testing centers from turning into Asian-tier cheater factories, but that's easy enough. Now a self-motivated person can study on their own if they choose instead of being trapped by the education jew.

>tfw college is free in your country

How would you have Affirmative Action if it's already free, dumbass?

id like to see free college but not forced. In my country high school has become free and an obligation and after 10 years emerged a generation of degenerates who have knowledge of a 4th grader. And those people are encouraged to go on college where the same thing repeats and thats how u get a sciety of retards. some people just dont wanna study but are pushed with low grades so the government can say look we have more educated people in the country. U cant force a horse to drink the water...

They had free college in my mother's country (soviet bloc).

Oh, and you could only get into the best schools if you were the son of a government official.

lol

because nothing is free

I can't!

Luckily I already have it.

Because not everybody needs to go to college. Four-year college is an outdated model for preparing young people for the professional world. Colleges have already created a whole host of useless degrees just so that more people can obtain a diploma.

Everybody being able to go, which is essentially what making college free does, will turn college into what high school has become, completely useless by itself.

>Everybody being able to go, which is essentially what making college free does, will turn college into what high school has become, completely useless by itself.

as clearly demonstrated by the countries that DO offer college for free, or even pays for people to do

... oooor?

Because how would you pay for those football teams?

Everybody goes to four-year liberal arts colleges in those countries... oooor?

The internet is free. Teach yourself.

correct user

My college journey has been fucking infuriating and I'm sure other anons have been in my shoes

>Was a straight A student
>Dreams of being a doctor since I was a kid
>Took AP classes and graduated with honors from my high school
>oy vey even though you were such a good student you didn't play niggerball or other sports so no scholarships for you
>Even though your parents are lower middle class we've decided you make too much for grants
>NO DON'T ASK US WHAT THAT NUMBER IS YOU JUST DON'T QUALIFY
>Deadbeat friend who slept through all of his classes, got straight F's, held back twice, stays up all night playing World of Warcraft and never does his homework
>OY VEY HERE'S ALL THE PELL GRANTS YOU COULD EVER WANT
>Surprise he blows it all on video games Chris Chan style and drops out before the semester is over
>I couldn't get into college until I was well moved out on my own for a couple years
>Are 25 and finishing my degree
>STILL have to pay out of pocket and just barely getting enough grants and loans to afford what I need
>Meanwhile niggers and lazy shitty white people get free rides to get meme degrees

The only thing that makes me feel better is that the closer I get to med school, the more I'm getting medical grants lined up, so all of my hard work will be worth it in the end

Great. Go teach for free then

>Give me one good reason as to why college shouldn't be free.

education is already free, give me one good reason someone should borrow money for anything other than land?