Wouldn't it be better to grow something of value instead of grass in the same land plots, like fruits, beehives, grain, or vegetables? Something like solar panels or mini wind turbines would also be preferable, or even packed clay or turf or something which didn't require nearly as much water or maintenance.
Could communities do something to incentivize people to use their lawns for something like this, like giving tax breaks?
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Motherfucker I don't want to go home after working all day to tend my fucking fields like a peasant.
apparently it's relaxing.
i wouldn't it that crap that grew next to toxic fumes and all kinds of chemicals. are you stupid, op?
Many people can't because of (((zoning))) and (((Homeowner Association))).
Makes me so fucking butthurt, you can't even do whatever the fuck you want with your property. Can't even put a fence.
Fucking kikes and boomers.
For most poeple, you are better off doing something other then growing food.
Me, I am poor, so I have a fair number of plants and do a lot of canning.
A lot of places it's illegal to grow food in your front yard. It's retarded
Well obviously not if you live next to something like that, just live in an apartment without a lawn or have a turf/clay yard which wouldn't need maintanence.
If enough people adopted it you could just hire teams to work the collective land for you and it would be economical to do so.
Just don't do it in your front yard.
Also I doubt a community would give tax breaks for something that could potentially harm tax revenue.
>Not having a wife and children to tend the fields
dude i live on a highway where would i grow crops
Where? I've never heard of that. You can grow food if you want, no one is going to stop you if you want to, thing is most people don't because why fucking bother?
Big Ag and Big Grocery hate it because it's extremely cheap to grow your own food. Some retard local rules actually ban front lawn gardens and there have been cases of municipalities handing out fines or even destroying private gardens in the front hard because they weren't 'aesthetically pleasing grass'.
Now imagine how much food could be grown by every idiot with 3 acres of manicured grass.
>apparently it's relaxing.
Have a small vegetable garden, can confirm.
just don't eat them. sell them to blacks or something.
There's no reason to, especially not in America. We already make WAY more food than we need.
no way land of the free lmao
Not illegal per se but HOA's are fucking retarded. Bunch of old people who LIVE to enforce their stupid fucking rules. God forbid you have a weed growing on your property, it's like you personally walked over to THEIR property and took a shit on their doorstep.
In Slovenia, gardening is avery popular passtime, a big part of that involves growing vegetables and fruit. Even if you don't live in a village with a big plot of land available for farming, you can still grow some vegetables for your family. Many people living in cities own small plots of land outside of the cities, too.
Work at home improves character.
See , not everybody needs to be their own farmer, that's a meme, if you don't live where you can do it, then don't, do something more economical, the idea makes more sense for people living in, say, suburbs with lawns and lots of open space.
True, but we make shit tons of corn and soy predominantly, more than we could ever need, of crops that aren't even readily edible by us. I was thinking about growing more crops which aren't always seasonally available and which were healthier and easier to grow non-industrially, like tomatoes, peaches, spinach, etc., especially in areas which lack access to these in quality year-round.
Until a bunch of kids walk by after school and stomp all over your shit vegetables.
Not to mention you pay more for soil and upkeep on gardens than yoh would just going to the store and picking out healthy choices.
Relaxing is just beta male bullshit. Getting cucked is more relaxing and productive.
yea get surface runoff and other pollutants onto your food from the street.
>friend started growing potatoes
>just threw some dirt and potato slices into a bucket
>it's been a week and he already has 7-8" tall shoots coming out of the dirt
Why are you retards so lazy? growing potatoes is so easy even the fucking IRISH can do it
Yeah.. Like the sprayed and transported food from the stores isn't polluted already.
Never grow vegetables in the middle of a big ass city full of pollution unless you want some cancer lettuce.
Yes, grow your food next to street. Cars whizzing by all day for weeks. Dumping pollution on your veggies. What could possibly go wrong?
Everyone on my block has a garden. We have rather large lots in my area, so we get a huge garden, and a nice lawn.
I built a 50 gallon rain water collection system, everything over 50 gallons drains to ground, which is the LAW here, boy.
I sell my vine and heirloom tomatoes to local chefs, but I work in the industry so it's an easy sale for me. I doubt it would profitable to market such a business everywhere.
This is actually illegal in many places
>cars whizzing by all day
the speed limit on my street is 20 mph and we have speed bumps, no one drives down my road who doesnt live here. Why do you live next to a highway, bro?
>Until a bunch of kids walk by after school and stomp all over your shit vegetables.
What the fuck kind of neighborhood do you live in
In my state everyone has a garden and it's weird if you don't.
I've got my garden going already, been treating it for southern spider mites but things are looking decent so far.
My mom lives in a middle class neighborhood with no HOA. I taught her to quit spraying the roundup jew on dandelions and how to harvest them for tea and medicine.
All of the lawncucks in her neighborhood hate her because they are deathly afraid of getting a dandelion in their yard.
Dandelions are victims of a smear campaign because they grow everywhere and are very useful.
This is illegal in my city, since it apparently interferes with water runoff. They also made it illegal to collect rainwater. Plus despite the fact we have a massive amount of groundwater we aren't allowed to drill wells.
My garden has doubled in size every year for the past 3 years. By the time I retire I intend to make every gardenable inch of my property part of the garden.
But you can't have your entire yard be garden even in a place with no zoning or HOA's. You have to take into consideration drainage, wetlands, areas that get no sun, and so on.
nig nogs would steal all the food
yeah but what do you plant?
i would plant fruit but im not in the tropics
maybe potatoes or something
i have a garden, mostly experimenting with many different plants, and how to grow sustainable. growing my own food Forest on my grandmas large property. i use permaculture and companion planting techniques
>growing food right next to road and exposing the plants to contaminants
Why do so many Americans obsess about lawns? I know of one couple that moved to the States decades ago and a few years ago they returned to Slovenia and they seem obsessed about keeping anything that's not grass from growing on their lawn.
If you live in a temperate climate, you can grow all kinds of berries and fruit trees.
Tomatoes, potatoes, peas, green beans, beats, pumpkins, onions, squash, cucumbers, lettuce, cabbage...think man.
Not to mention it will encourage you not to eat so much sugars and processed garbage.
You don't need to be on the cover of a fitness magazine but judging on your flag and you post (nice digits btw) you could probably stand to lose 20+ lbs.
Even if you could, most places arent 365 growing seasons, even with crop rotation. The other part of growing your own food is preserving them, which is literally a lost art and actually frowned upon by the (((FDA))) because if certain methods are done improperly you get botulism.
That aside, if I owned land myself I would grow food on it.
What pollutants? Lead fuel for example was banned decades ago.
Fruit does not require tropical weather. Washington state is basically Canada but is famous for producing cherries and apples and white hippie women.
>using a food dehydrator is a "lost art"
>canning is a "lost art"
what
no, dandelions are invasive and fast growing, which is a combination that equals garbage. No one desires dandelion greens, they eat them because they are there. If you like docks, why not plant bloody dock? Same family as dandelions, more nutritious, and they look fucking cool, or any other sorrel really. Dandelions are horrible plants
This. Once I literally had potatoes growing in my backyard even though we never even planted potatoes (our town used to be potato farms a long time ago). There's a reason they are cheap as fuck.
Grass is easy to maintain, I enjoy cutting it. Clay or rocks look like shit. Gardens are a pain.
>it rains
>puddles in the street
>cars drive by
>sidespray of asphalt, dirt, burnt rubber, and shit all over your crops
No thanks.
HELL YES OP
Every year I turn my beautiful south-facing back yard more and more into a garden. It's one of the best things anyone can do for themselves and family. Honestly, if you're not trying to secure your food supply, then you've not taken the redpill completely. Gardening is pretty easy once you get everything set up and growing. It's relaxing and you'll get some of the healthiest tastiest food this way. Plus it's a life skill everyone should know.
I garden in a sustainable way without using any chemical pesticides or fertilizers. If anyone has garden questions, I can help. Remember BLOOD AND SOIL was a huge part of the Reich!
HOA, for people that want to own a home, but get treated like they're renting.
Garden in your backyard is fine. Front yard is an eye sore for neighbors.
Best solution would be to make small front yards and then give subsidies for back yard gardens.
Most people are too lazy and stuid to grow their own shit.
Or they think being self sufficient is below them.
I built a potato planter/tuber planter that allows me to access the roots and harvest without disturbing the plant. It's pretty cool to go out on your porch and grab a potato from the ground when you need one, or five
Is having a vegetable garden in your front yard legal in the land of the free?
Securing your life and that of the community and ensuring more life by agriculture is s large part of national socialism.
I already do this in my backyard.
Asking for 'incentives' for it is socialist garbage, though. My incentive is delicious food and a relaxing hobby, as well as saving money. It's also nice to know how to grow and preserve things when SHTF.
But the main thing to remember is that you're not farming crops. You're farming soil. Learn how soil works and how to compost. Compost does not have to stink beyond inches from the area you make it in, so don't give me those pathetic bitch-ass excused about that either.
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Look up what grows in your area. I'm in a shit zone but I still manage a lot. Just don't get discouraged if you run into problems at first. It takes a few seasons to really git gud. Tomato plants by the window are easy and rewarding. Onions are super easy for gardens in almost any climate and are nearly impossible to kill or even contain sometimes. I still find some growing near an area I stopped gardening in years ago after I thought I genocided them all. A homegrown onion will blow your socks off compared to store-bought.
My man! Food forests are actually really cool and amazing. I swear if permaculture didn't have such hippy branding and taint to it, you'd see a lot more people engaged in it. Hugelkulture changed my life.
Grass is easy to maintain and keeps your land healthy, a garden takes work and is easy to fuck up leaving you with a dusty plot for a front yard.
My neighbor is so lazy he replaced his front lawn with rocks.
Any of you gays got any tips for gardening with a doggo in the yard? Raised beds?
Raised beds lined with cheapo fencing. Have a clear pathway where the dog is free to roam, and a clear barrier where doggo is not allowed. Be sure to train doggo and enforce discipline if doggo goes past your barrier.
It depends. It's legal where I live, but 15 miles away at my sister's house it not be allowed, because of covenants. Some municipalities make it illegal across the board, and then there are HOA communities of bitchy people who never go outside, but want to control everything that goes on there
Depends on the Neighborhood, city, Homeowners Association, and a lot of other needlessly complicated bullcrap.
Interesting. Can you share some pictures?
Not where I live, but it's kind of taboo to grow a garden in your front yard.
I much rather have it in the back where I know for sure someone isn't fucking with my crops.
Thanks, user. I live in an area that gets a lot of sun year-round + sandy soil so I was planning on doing raised beds anyhow
Raised beds are easily the best way. You can build them and make them look nice even if you use discarded pallets as long as you choose a design that isn't terrible. Or you can just do hugelkulture and he'll have mounds he can easily understand he shouldn't walk on. If it's angled high enough and has plants growing out of it he'll never bother to try.
I've been using raised beds and fencing. My dog is gigantic, so even though he doesnt dig in the raised beds, he is still able to pee on all my plants with little effort. Fencing is easy, I don't set my garden posts in concrete or anything, they just need to resist the wind and keep my plants dog piss free.
That's why you put fence around it. Or is that forbidden in the land of the free?
Wow Romania. What would the gypsies think?
Ah yes, grow your food right next to the road and get a bunch of road dust all over it. Perfect. I bet you would eat berries off the side of the highway as well. Fuck.
They do this in Japan.
Only Americans want some shitass anglo-looking patch of grass.
Eh, I have a few things planted in the backyard. Wife tends to it and we have tomatoes, zucchini, and some various herbs in the summertime. Doesn't take much effort. It's good shit.
However, it's just straight-up LARPing if we're talking about anything substantial. As in, being able to grow food in abundance, rather than just things like squash and tomatoes to put in your dishes. You'd need a lot more land for that.
Just wash them, dumbass.
You can wash the shit away that gets into the food.
It's none of your neighbors goddam business to care what your front yard looks like.
>Mr Shekelstein lets me have muh poisoned garbage and he even says its good for muh diabetes, I wouldn't dare take any control over my life in case it hurts his profits, he is muh troops greatest ally after all
t. '''''''white'''''''' american
you know that food is going to last you exactly 2 weeks right?
Fences are legal, but I just want to have the piece of mind.
We live in some crazy times, I wouldn't even know if some drug addict came and pissed on my garden while I was at work.
Cutting the grass is bothersome enough as it is. I'm the kind of person that wants just concrete throughout the whole front and let the backyard overgrow so it can block out the neighbors house and noise, but someone would bitch to the village if I did that.
>what is washing your produce
You are being sarcastic but bring up a good point. Foraging! I go around my neighborhood and pick all the invasive but delicious mulberries that grow like weeds. I get bags full of delicious berries and I help stop the spread of this invasive plant. I know where some wild apple trees grow, and I'm shocked at how many people have fruiting trees on their property that don't harvest at all. Sometimes I kindly ask the people if I could come pick fruit and I offer to share the harvest. A lot are old people that can't get up into their trees anymore so they appreciate a kindly user sharing their own fruit.
You don't need a lot of land, just a lot of time and energy to fight bugs/disease/drought/sun/frost. My parents provided all of the fruits and vegetables for a 7-person family (and had a lot left over) from a 2000 sq ft garden.
While this is true, it's stupid.
Op's pic looks very aesthetic and I would be fine if my neighbor did that.
>doggo
>Work at home improves character.
Yeah that's every american's main concern, you can see how hard they work on improving themselves
>why do americans obsess about lawns
The "lawn" is actually of British origin. It became something of a status symbol to not use your land to grow food, because you were wealthy enough not to. Sort of like the term "dirt poor". We all used to have dirt floors in our houses, unless you could afford to put down stone or something else. Lawns originated to display wealth and were adopted by the lower classes, like carpet. Only poor people have carpeted floors now, when originally it was only the rich. lmao
Its not that much work once you set it up.
As long as you grow vegetables adequate for the ecosystem your house is in is barely any work at all.
That's what stuff like canning and other preservation methods are for.
I don't think anyone would mind, I just would personally rather have a garden in my backyard.
I grew a hundred pound of melon last year, I will finish eating it next week .
New sprouts are in the ground this year already.
Plants are basically organic solar machines.
Pissing on your garden would require him to trespass the fence. And more importantly, the garden itself should be composed in such way that in front would be hedges, so it's more difficult to harm your corps.
All of those places are in america, North Koreans have got a greater level of self-determination..
But many edible plants have ornamental value too. It's not like plants grown for food or other use are automatically "ugly".
>hurr durr what is continuous planting across the season and preserving your extra food to last the non-growing months.
Our ancestors grew their own food and got us here to this point. When people poopoo gardening, it's clear they have lost their connection to the land and lost connection to the human way of life. Up to about 150 years ago, people absolutely needed to have their own gardens and knowledge of preserving food in order to live. People need to get that back into culture.
alright everyone
That's a good point.
what am i supposed to do during the winter, smartass; grow it in the snow?
Improves kindness
I think that people should plant nice shit in their gardens and whatnot BUT the real issue is everything we do in our suburbs goes against that shit. Like look at those cabbages right next to the fucking gutter. You really want to eat a cabbage that has been dusted by 100 cars exhausts a day?
I honestly think we need to deviate from the conventional community standards. There should be cities, ecological reserves and family estates. With cities being completely walled off and isolated areas of human activity. Ecological reserves would be national parks, etc. where we attempt to repair the damage we have done over the last couple hundred years. Family estates would be a significant portion of land where you can grow shit, raise kids, etc. with ownership being within a significant amount of generations of a family. So you would share your estate with your uncle, 2nd uncle, etc.
yeah because gardening is so easy when you have half a square foot of grass or none at all.
unless you're very well off, or have had a lot in your family for years, it's almost impossible to find a housing situation that would allow for gardening
If you don't like dandelions, then encourage people to eat them. Roundup kills not only friendly plants but insects too.
>relaxing