This thread is for Discussion of Capitalism, Libertarianism, Paleolibertarianism, Anarcho-Capitalism, Minarchism, and the PHYSICAL REMOVAL of COMMUNIST FAGS from our board of peace. Reminder that this is the Libertarian RIGHT General. Aleppo Johnson-fags, Left-Libertarians, and other Shit-Libs need to fuck off. Voice your complaints to r/libertarian.
The definition is valid and I don't care if you disagree. The real world does not conform to your retarded ideology. Deal with it.
Ian Peterson
Could say the same thing about NatSoc
Nolan Edwards
first for no-steppy snek
Landon Hill
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Ayden Davis
No it's not valid because I gave you a fucking example that renders it absurd.
Is a bread store in Camboya a natural monopoly according to that definition of natural monopoly? Yes.
Is the idea that a bread store can be a natural monoply absurd? I doubt anyone would disagree.
Brayden Morris
In Ancapistan, what prevents a lumber company from chopping down the entire rainforest, thus depriving the entire world of oxygen?
You can't just redefine words to serve your ideology.
Jacob Edwards
>In Ancapistan, what prevents a lumber company from chopping down the entire rainforest, thus depriving the entire world of oxygen?
Robert Reyes
I said it in the first post you quoted, either by escrow:
>You put the money in the hands of the intermediary, when the house is finished, the intermediary releases the funds to the constructor.
Or by acceptance to be subject to prosecution and exposition to force, in which case you would be giving legitimacy to violence against you.
>You sign that your assets are collateral, and the arbitrator has the strength to make sure this is acceptable.
Appeal to authority is when you use arguments and someone tells you others know better.
Definitions can be wrong, that one certainly is absurd.
Hudson Morris
well, not how air and trees work, but also it's stupid to think that people smart enough to live in anarchy are also stupid enough to destroy trees
Evan Lee
>You can't just redefine words to serve your ideology.
You can't just tell me look at this definition that demonstrates a nuclear plant is a natural monopoly when this specific definition is so broad you could argue everything is a natural monopoly.
Josiah Lewis
20% of the world's oxygen comes from the Amazon rainforest, bro. That's 1 out of 5. The number gets even higher if you include the other rainforests in equation. But I wouldn't expect an ancap to understand science, or math.
Hunter Hughes
In a Minarchistan, the citizens could elect to outlaw cutting down all the trees. Minarchy is the best system, it still has a strong rule of law, but still all the personal freedoms and degeneracy that National Socialism outlaws.
If you aren't hurting anybody, you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want. Cutting down all the trees obviously hurts everyone
Austin Morales
>private judge KEK What can he judge he has no more authority than any other man. This is like saying PI's are the same as detectives.
Alexander Phillips
>telling a capitalist he doesn't understand math
Connor Gomez
>That guy dressed in black just said that was a goal >He must be the state
Anthony Flores
You didn't answer the question. If a lumber company decides to cut down all the trees, who stops them?
All of my arguments are geared specifically towards ancaps. If you're arguing from a minarchist stand-point, then I'm sorry for the confusion.
Luis Howard
Which one of Hoppe's books does /lrg/ suggest I read first?
Jayden Morris
If oxygen somehow didn't become a free good then a market for oxygen would be created.
Leo Barnes
Democracy the god that failed
Connor Allen
So what prevents me from buying huge sections of a river up stream then creating a dam on my property blocking the river ensuring i have a monopoly on all the water in the desert?
Christopher Morris
If he has no legal authority, then why would anybody care about his judgements?
Michael Price
Noice.
Wyatt Ross
>not an argument
Oliver Martin
Because they decided to partake in a specific interaction that requires arbitration, and therefore they voluntarily expose themselves to his judgement.
Michael Hughes
>a market for oxygen would be created.
Oh wonderful. So now I have to pay bills to Oxygen Mart for the privilege of breathing.
Jordan Baker
>and he sips wew
Angel Green
Democracy is accessible and interesting.
Jonathan Carter
>people need to be smart to live in anarchy. Explain Africa? >hur dur everybody will magically be smart in my society. >implying smart people won't cut down trees because they don't give a shit about future generations and know that cutting these trees down will ensure their own happiness
>Because they decided to partake in a specific interaction that requires arbitration
Who decides what actions require arbitration and what actions do not require arbitration? Furthermore, arbitration isn't legally binding. I can completely ignore the results if I want to.
Henry Nelson
>he thinks you need to understand math to know economics What a special snowfake you must be.
Owen Sullivan
>Explain Africa? Africans don't live in anarchy.
Aiden Hill
>2017 >not being a Distributist
Ian Bell
As you do for many other forms of survival - unless you live off the land user?
Adam Sanders
Their on the right track, but they need to lurk Sup Forums and read more. Much more redpilled than you're average person but in order to do anything effective, they need to be less abrasive and sort themselves out.
Xavier Thomas
Embrace fascism. Having no government is retarded and will never work. It will always just result in many tiny monarchies.
Hunter Roberts
why don't Libertarians just call themselves Gay Weed Commandos
Jacob Taylor
There are rainforests in Africa, though. If somebody decides to chop all the trees down, who stops them?
Parker Hughes
>American intellectuals
Kayden Gutierrez
>Who decides what actions require arbitration and what actions do not require arbitration?
People. I need to do this, but I want to be safe, let's search for arbitration.
Also, private cities will most likely offer "law enforcement" packages.
>Furthermore, arbitration isn't legally binding. I can completely ignore the results if I want to.
Contracts are legally binding, yes.
Kevin Turner
if the aliens come to earth and murder all of us... anarcho capitalism done
Matthew Barnes
For starters, if oxygen ever became scarce enough to become a saleable commodity, I'm pretty sure the ecosystem would perish before anybody had an opportunity to monetize it.
Leo Reyes
Fuck taxation though. Its theft >implying anybody will own land You'll just be renting land from one of the ten jewish land owners.
Zachary Perry
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Jackson Campbell
Fascism will never work for longer than 10 years and will always create a tremendous knee-jerk reaction.
You cannot give power to the state and then believe it will always use it in your interest.
Real private property and economical migration is the only way to maintain a moral society without oppression, and therefore without knee-jerk reactions or without legitimacy to dismantle it.
Owen Wright
And what if I simply refuse arbitration? You can't force me to arbitration without violating your precious NAP, so I'm safe.
Dylan Cook
Then people will refuse to interact with you. Good luck with your business!
Nolan Davis
And yet with all the crying about increases of CO2 in the atmosphere, never any mention of decreases on O2.
Juan Bell
Libertarianism is a great system, provided everybody follows the rules. Arguing for anarchy is pretty stupid, almost as stupid as the socialists who think we can all work together for an all encompassing state.
>We all need to come together man, kumbaya, profits are evil comrade
Central planning is stupid. Minarchy Libertarian is the best system
Liam Miller
What's with the hate for Johnson in the OP ? Sure he was a weak candidate but he WAS a candidate. It's not like we are falling over the massive crowds of qualified people running as libertarians (for the LP, independent, or otherwise).
Bentley Wilson
Contracts are only legally binding if there is a government to back the contract. >People Not going to happen. About as realistic as the peoples communist revolution taking place. >private cities What stops these cities from building a wall around their city, raising the rent to a ridicoulus high rate then turning them all into debt slaves, excluding the police force which will each get 2 free debt slaves for themselves.
James Mitchell
This is just an extension of the vigilantism fallacy which has been refuted many a time.
You're implying that no one has the ability to plant trees in their own private lands that would suffice the necessary level of oxygen needed for the world. >hurr durr what if everyone planted too many trees and everything started exploding
You are also implying that a firm has a monopoly on all the trees and that every private landlord decides to sell to their land to a vigilantic firm.
Extreme scenario would be >indoor hub living with regulated oxygen levels like a mall >a market for oxygen
Nathan Williams
By the way, should I paint, diagonally, half of pacman's face in black? Seriously considering it.
Bentley Young
if u violate the NAP, u dont have NAP anymore u need to be physically removed from society or life
Liam Robinson
Anarchism is the likely outcome of a more intelligent society.
even the son and gradnson of Milton Friedman are ancaps now
David Friedman and Patri Friedman
Nathan Wilson
Idealists don't go far
Go with wahat is proven
Luis Brooks
>Contracts are only legally binding if there is a government to back the contract.
That's your opinion. I disagree, contracts are legally binding by themselves.
>Not going to happen. About as realistic as the peoples communist revolution taking place.
People won't want safety in the interactions with others? Okay.
>What stops these cities from building a wall around their city, raising the rent to a ridicoulus high rate then turning them all into debt slaves, excluding the police force which will each get 2 free debt slaves for themselves.
Contracts :^)
Nathan Long
>You cannot give power to the state and then believe it will always use it in your interest.
Yes, the state makes mistakes sometimes. So what? An imperfect government is still better than no government at all.
You dude, people are just going to ignore the nuclear power planet that they depend on for electricity. They'll keep paying their bills, otherwise I'll cut off their power and leave them in the dark.
It actually goes hand-in-hand. Plants take CO2 and convert it into oxygen. So the rainforests actually play a huge role in the earth's eco-system by naturally filtering excess carbon out of the atmosphere. As the rainforest gets cut down smaller, and smaller, oxygen levels will decrease and carbon levels will increase.
Glad to see this thread thriving. /lrg/ master race forever. You guys make me proud when you peach the uncucked word of libertarianism.
Sebastian Howard
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Brandon Turner
>Fascism will never work for longer than 10 This is just factually wrong and has been proven to be wrong already through out history. >You cannot give power to the state and then believe it will always use it in your interest. You can not give power to the rich and believe they will always do things for your interests.
>Real private property and economical migration is the only way to maintain a moral society So wrong. Why do you actually believe this. Every free society to have ever existed will never maintain morality. How is paying rent and taxation any different? How can you ensure that monopolies will not oppress. How can you say that morality will be maintained when profit matters more than anything. You are a jew. Whats preventing this from happening. Why do you faggots always ignore legitimate arguments?
Christopher Clark
My man!
>Too much capitalism does not mean too many capitalists, but too few
Jaxon Long
Killing yourself is a great move
Isaiah Young
>Partri (((Friedman))) You mean this guy?
Julian Taylor
>Anarchism is the likely outcome of a more intelligent society.
[sarcasm] Yeah dude. Really intelligent people, those anarchists. If we just let anarchists run everything, things would be perfect. [sarcasm]
Jeremiah Long
>You can not give power to the rich and believe they will always do things for your interests. I mean, the rich can't arbitrarily shoot/imprison you, the government can.
Hunter Ramirez
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Kevin Wilson
Only 114 for the entire country? That's actually much less than I thought.
Luis Stewart
>the fucking spiderman mask
Kayden Sullivan
How can you not see you are exactly the same as communists >we all need to come together man kumbaya, morality and government is evil. Everybody will magically die before they accept an offer to sell out their neighborhood for personal gain. Ephialtes did nothing wrong
Michael Lee
Ancoms have a point about the state being illegitimate but they don't respect property rights and will therefore need to be physically removed.
Ryan Campbell
they are not anarchiists
they are "anarcho"-statists
anarcho-capitalism is the true anarchy
Hudson Martinez
Libertarians fail to grip the concept of racial extinction because they aren't white edition
Jackson Wilson
>Ancoms have a point about the state being illegitimate
No, they don't. All forms of anarchism are stupid.
Josiah Rivera
How does /lrg/ feel about conquests of foreign lands?
Nicholas Anderson
Not personally an AnCap. But presumably resources ought to be preserved by granting ownership of finite resources to certain entities in order to avoid tragedy-of-the-commons scenarios. A single owner (i.e. a monarch, corporation, etc..) with exclusive rights doesn't have the same impetuous to over-exploit that masses of property-less individuals do, because each individual actor has every incentive to have their fill of the resource, to the detriment of other actors.
Benjamin Watson
How is the state legitimate then?
Nolan Brooks
PHYSICALLY REMOVE non-whites for being impure. Solution is easy.
Zachary Hernandez
I'm white Brazilian anti mix-race and ancap
what's now?
Daniel Wright
Legitimacy is whatever common knowledge says it is. Most people are not to the stage where they think the state is illegitimate.
Jose Price
Anarchy is retarded. Look at Montreal's police strike in 1969 if you want a picture of anarchy.
There should be a police force that enforces the rules, a judicial system to uphold the law, firemen, national defense, and that's about it.
Regulations and subsidies hurt the economy, health care is dumb, roads can be privatized, public education sucks, income tax is unarguably theft.
I think USA has a great society, the government just needs to cut it's spending by a large margin. That would be my Utopian society.
Kevin Barnes
Yes glad we can agree on the solution
Isaac Martinez
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Ethan Adams
There is no such thing as legal in your society. Nothing is legally binding. >People won't want safety in the interactions with others? Okay. Thats exactly what they will want which is why nobody is going to risk their own neck to fight someone backed into a corner of starving to death on the street or following a contract.
Ancaps are confirmed for retarded. Your society will instantly revert back to monarchs controlling small slivers of land until one day someone will conquer it all by force because nobody can stop them or nobody would be willing to risk stopping them.
Ethan Walker
stupid is worship the state
Ryder Garcia
Oh yes, legitimacy is democracy, perfect.
Austin Cruz
In an anarcho-capitalist society, we gonna have dozens of private policy
Isaiah Russell
Not our land, not our business for the most part. Unless foreign lands bite us, we won't bite back.
Parker Flores
anarcho syndicalists think that labor unions should be in charge of everything. how is that not a bureaucratic system within itself. Give them enough time and eventually its mafia organizations threatening people for "union dues". its no wonder they are a bunch of thugs
Blake Lee
This is about me but I'm increasingly exploring the reality of full private property/anarcho-capitalism. The logical conclusions are there it's just hard to envisage that world when you are so used to one of democracy as we have.
Jaxon Howard
All of those entities can be privatized, anyone who disagrees needs to read "Machinery of Freedom."
Jordan Thompson
democracy is a fck cancer
Aaron Gray
>But presumably resources ought to be preserved by granting ownership of finite resources to certain entities in order to avoid tragedy-of-the-commons scenarios.
Okay. So you privatize the Amazon rainforest to prevent people from cutting it down. So now a single individual owns the entire Amazon rainforest? I mean, in theory, it would work, but it would require the owner to be somebody who is so utterly committed to conservation that he wouldn't sell even if offered billions of dollars.
Luke Bailey
You can't be anti-mix race in a liberal freedom loving society because the point is individualism and rights.
