If god is the creator of everything then who created god?

If god is the creator of everything then who created god?

Keshmar'lu'ta'u

Bless you.

God is infinite and needs no creator, you idiot

There's probably different laws governing what lies beyond our universe, laws which human beings are incapable of comprehending because our brains and reasoning capacity are limited to the laws of this universe.

I did. I created God.

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humans did, they also created over 2,500 other gods in the history of the earth

But then, couldn't it be equally valid to say that the universe is independently infinite and needs no creator? You idiot?

Who knows?

Human mind is clearly incapable of understanding god

How do you know that?

Does it ever say in the Bible "God is infinite"?

f-fedora

You're mistake is assuming that a theoretical being who exists outside and the bounds of our reality is beholden to the physical laws of our universe such as causality, that something like time even exists in such a plane of existence. There could very well be no before or after, a God could simply be and have always been. Simply by existing we are expoaed to the ultimate bias, the human bias which ensures we can only ever perceive existence as it relates to us and our world, that's why it's a stupid thing to argue about.
Unknowing is in practice the same as disbelieving anyway, you just aren't granted the unwarranted peace of mind the self assured atheists find in their hubris.

No

Its Just the whole concept of what God is.
The only way god could exist is if he was infinite.

the jews

God created space, matter and time. Before that point, time simply didn't exist. So logic dictates that god is an eternal being without beginning or end. He is above and beyond that what he created.

his existence is unprovable by means of naturalistic empericism because of the inherent limitations we face as human beings within a 3-dimensional sphere.

The argument for god therefore is a deductive one based on logic.

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He is. He is the mind of the Universe.

If you want, here's the Mormon's belief:

God the Father existed as a mortal like us in His Father's kingdom. He passed through righteously and eventually was ordained with his wife to the high office of God. He then created his own kingdom from unorganized matter, and eventually had us in the spirit. He delegated Jehovah (after the war in heaven where Lucifer, the first dictator, and 1/3 of our brothers and sisters in the spirit that followed him were cast out - we all chose to follow Jehovah, that's why we got mortal bodies, demons didn't) to plan out the solar system, plants, animals, etc. Then they built the earth and created man (Adam) first. Then they created the plants and animals and Adam named them. Finally, Eve was created (no such thing as Lilith). And if we follow Christ's Gospel principles, commandments, do charitable acts, and endure to the end, we all have the same chance of becoming just like God the Father and ruling a kingdom for eternity.

The obvious answer to that one is ofc, No he cant. God is an immaterial being - the Mind of the Universe. Not being able to ldo that, doesn't make him any less of a God tho.

The only thing that "paradox" show us, is that the average atheist views god as some cartoony figure sitting on a cloud. Now who are the real dumbasses?

The Unus Mundus Driver operation

yea this

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how do you know it was God? how did you confirm that this information is true?

Some Jew

So who was the Father of the Father of Jehova then? Who ordained him to the high office of God then? Seems to me its just circular reasoning, just like they atheists do with their idiotic "multiverse" theory that defies all logic.

No offence tho, genuinly interested.

Do you say that about the Universe?

The so called "special pleading fallacy" that this thread alludes to and which opens the critique of argument from causality in "God Delusion" by Dawkins has already been refuted from set theory before Dawkins even wrote the book.

There are 3 ways.

Deductive logic. A keen eye. The mystical experience. All are legit and don't exclude eachother.

>what lies beyond our universe

the word universe describes what contains everything. there isn't anything beyond the universe.

The creator doesn't need to be created, by definition.

The universe is contingent.

City people.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
Revelation 22:13

Everything youve ever known has been finite. Understanding something that is not finite from within finite parameters is impossible. The only way to do this is to accept the infinite in axioms.

Not circular reasoning. Our life reflects many aspects of the eternities. I was ordained to the office of Elder by my father, who was ordained by his father, and then his father, who got it from John Taylor, who got it from Joseph Smith, who got it from Peter, James, and John, who got it from Jesus Christ, who got it from God the Father, who got it from His God the Father, and so on. It's quite linear.

And we don't know who God the Father's God the Father is. There's a lot we don't know. Scriptures and Holy Ghost only instructs enough to get us from point a to b, with some idea of where we're heading. We'll find out the minutia when we get there in the life to come.

none of those give you evidence of the existence of the God of abraham.
say there are 3 people thinking about the beginning of the universe.

the first one says: yahweh did it in seven days starting with separating the light from the darkness etc.

the second says: there must be an intelligent force that somehow gave order to matter.

the third says: It was created by something we don't understand.

which one that is being more sensible?

which one is more likely to be mistaken?

He the creator of time itself, he is infinite, and he is the beginning and the end. Thinking of him as some kind of object in the universe isn't going to work.

We know that the universe isn't infinite

time is an illusion. there's no past or future. linear tracking of time by humans is laughable at best. god is omnipresent

No, only the observable universe is finite, and that's still just speculation

You're presupposing causality where it doesn't make sense to do so. It's impossible for causality to extent back infinitely, so something must exist that started off our universe's causality (and because it itself is independent of causality, it would be outside the parameters of time, i.e. eternal). Additionally, having been capable of creating an entire universe and defining its physical laws, it must be omnipotent. It must be singular, because elsewise there would be multiple threads of causality throughout the entire universe, which we know to be false because the universe was once a singularity.

So there has to be a singular, eternal, omnipotent creator. What does that sound like?

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Yet, by saying that you have allready confirmed infinity as something understandible - being the dualistic opposide of fininity. Understanding it is something totally different tho.

A thing is more then just the sum total of its parts mate. Mind is a very peculiar thing.

NOOOOOOOOO

nobody, god has always been

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Ad infitinum

The universe is expanding, ergo it must be finite.

Don't stand too close to the wall dude. Take a few steps back, enjoy the painting.

but couldn't the universe have always been?