Now that Americans have been following some real votes of working democracries in Europe...

Now that Americans have been following some real votes of working democracries in Europe, did you realize how retarded your voting system actually is?

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>what is tyranny of the majority

Fucking Jerry

Jerrymandering doesn't effect the Presidential election, only states do. A heavily jerrymandered state might vote 48D 52R and send all of it's congressmen to the Democrats because of jerrymandering but be counted for a Republican for President because he won the state popular vote.

This. Majority rule is mob rule. Creating districts is as close to a meritocracy you can get without overtly destroying democracy. Districts mean wealthier, more educated, and higher earners get more of a vote.

Land is more important than Laquesha's 90 grandchildren.

>I get to decide whether the majority means race, geography, or class ;)

...

In this case it gives more of a vote to the poorly educated which Trumpf loves.

>real democracies
>democracy was meant to represent the will of all people towards the betterment of the state
>then socialism came
>democracy now represents the will of the majority to do nothing and live off the working minority
>most "real democracies" have 50%+1 people who are either pensioners, working for state departments or living on state benefits
>socialism is the norm and it's causing the slow death of their economies
>and, as an added bonus, socialists now import the third world in massive numbers and give them both the right to vote and welfare
there is no "real democracy" Hans
the only chance that the people who actually produce shit have to escape the will of the majority of leeches who "vote" to take their work for themselves is a representative republic
guess what the US is...

that may be the most retarded logic I've ever seen on the internet. Congrats, I guess.

That black bishop can't be there retard

Gerrymandering just doesnt happen like people think it does. People understand how it works, but the reality and consequence of gerrymandering just isnt there.

Stay paranoid.

Grouping districts together by partisan lean is actually a good thing. Why the fuck would you want to be in a district that swings back and forth all the time? A compromise like that just leaves everyone mad. It's better to lump all the likeminded voters together. Obviously extreme gerrymandering is bad, but there is no reason why everything should be cut into neat squares either.

>implying democracy can ever be non-retarded

But Hillary got like 90% of the black vote

Whatup hillary?

Blacks are uneducated because of white privilege.

>unironic smiley
Reddit leave

voting is not about gamesmanship its about representation

it was actually a concensus between all states for the southern ones to join the union you illiterate faggot, so no one person isn't deciding what a majority is, it had a concensus. Fuck off

People running both of their parties made their careers planning around the current system. Reforming it thrusts them into the unknown, suddenly Californian republicans/Texan democrats are among the most influential groups of voters. That's why whenever a situation like last election happens they'll bitch and complain but never propose reform of any sort.

rural america are white niggers.

They hate yet deserve each other and should kill each other.

Do you really believe trump could not have taken the popular vote if both parties knew from the beginning that the goal was to achieve the popular vote?

kek they can get diversity scholarships to almost any college as long as they don't commit multiple crimes and graduate high school

also they get in a lot easier

In this case, your opinion is not even relevant.

OP's pic is addressing gerrymandering in general you mongoloid

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

that's cute but that's literally democracy. If you disagree, maybe some Arab caliphate is waiting for you

>geography
That's a very good way of splitting it up actually and what the founding father's did. Do you really think people in Iowa should have to do whatever California tells them to just because there are more Californians?

>typcial drumpffag twisting everything so that it works out best for the sake of his argument

Founding father's didn't want a full democracy, they wanted a republic. They didn't necessarily hate democracy but the recognized its flaws.

what..? are you actually this retarded? that is the most logical comparison and way to look at it

fucking "german" muslims are so dumb

>we lost due to Russia
>we lost due to gerrymandering

Democrats are like some kind of sociopath autist retard zoo that can't see own failures. Keep em gaslighted that they are always correct and failures are due external causes. It's fun.

>Iowa should have to do whatever California tells them to

this already happens because Iowans don't make iPhones

If your black you can get a 3.5 GPA, 70th percentile SAT, write your essay on how you built a gaming pc and get into MIT with ease.

We aren't a democracy though.... We are a constitutional republic. Our constitution protects the minority from mob rule. It is the entire point of our country. I don't know why people outside our country thinks they have any idea what our political system is about especially when they have the lowest form of democracy that lasts 50 years tops.

I don't care if Trump or Hillary is your president, it doesn't change anything anyway since the country isn't controlled by politicians anyway.

I was just pointing out the obvious flaws in your voting system. Believe it or not, but we actually laugh about your MUH FREEDOM hypocrisy over here, since you can't even elect the people you want in charge of your country.

Tbh Founding Fathers were cucks. George Washington was a literal cuckold, raising another man's kid. He was also a Freemason and the Freemason's laid the cornerstone of the whitehouse. That's why as soon as Donald entered the White House he became a good goy for the deep state.

>Our constitution protects the minority from mob rule

again, who is the "mob"

is it poor people?
is it white people?
is it rural or city folk?

Why not?

We got the best possible result and you guys are being enslaved by EU bureaucrats, so I'm enjoying our system.

>That's literally democracy.
So? Tyranny of majority is a major part and flaw of direct democracy.

US system is "fine" until (((they))) start to game it. Just check how amazing it was in the beginning, read "Democracy In America"

Truly, the greatest country of that time

Yes.

If anyone plays fighting games, here's an analogy I like.

Two people play 10 matches. In every single match, the results are as follows:
Player 1 gets a perfect victory in round one.
Player 1 and player 2 both wind up with exactly 1 health, and player 2 wins by chip damage in round 2.
Yet again, player 1 and player 2 wind up with 1 health each, and player 2 wins again by chip damage in round 3, taking the victory.

Player 2 wins all ten matches, despite player 1 always getting one perfect victory per match and dealing significantly more damage to player 2 overall, and winning via "cheap" victories.

Is it fair that player 2 wins?

It could be any of those groups depending on the circumstances. Last election, it was city people.

No they weren't, they put more thought into making this government than most millennials have put into why the government is bad. Seriously, it's pathetic seeing them criticize the constitution when they aren't even close to operating on the same level as the founding fathers.

Proportional system will not work if most of democuck states don't enforce voting laws

We are a white based country so I don't know why it is surprising to people that white people still exist in our country. The mob is the metropolitan folk, the city people, the corporate executes. The ones who think their way of life is supposed to project over our vast country.

>what is a republic

explain Delaware then, faggot

This tbqh. The West is destined for greatness and Euroshits are going to become the new Middle East.

It's dummies from every class

believe it or not we actually laugh about you being ravaged by migrants that hate your society

we shouldn't though, it isn't funny that you allow your woman's and citizens to be raped and killed daily, because it's "racist" to tell the truth

>Last election, it was city people.
>any of those groups depending on the circumstances

no, your personal political opinions determined that, for Democrats the "mob" is the white majority, who votes a certain way and swings elections, for Republicans its city folks, who vote a certain way and swing elections

just be honest and say "I want my side to win" instead of performing these mental gymnastics like libshits do

Yea, representation of states. Population isn't the only factor in determining a states value to the union.

Hahahahaha get fucked kraut we are a republic, the electoral college has elected every one of our presidents since 1804 and you can kiss my fat yankee ass if you don't like it

also you still don't answe how that analogy was not logical, please refute it instead of throwing insults

>for Democrats the "mob" is the white majority
How can they argue that when apparently the latino vote outnumbers whites? Didn't Hillary win the majority vote? So Trump's "white majority" isn't even a majority.

> accuse they enemy of what you're doing

You was jerrymandering look at Massachusetts districts. All but three Congressman represent Boston. On the plus side if dude makes it through the primary he's a shoe in which will make for funny meme fuel .

and the democratic populations of rural states have their voices hushed overwhelming more than the amount of republicans in cities

>Last election, it was city people.
last time I checked Trump was for inner-cities, it was the uni liberals and the illegal aliens combined with the hardcore Democrats that got Hillary such a high vote.

You don't seem to properly understand our system. White people are distributed evenly throughout the country and represent a wide variety of interests. There is nothing about our system that has a check against white people these current circumstances. And the white people that voted for Trump aren't even the majority of the country anyway.

However, the last election was a textbook example of city people being checked against rural and suburban people. The electoral college was designed to give rural states disproportionately more representation against more urban states. Last election, all the rural states teamed up to drown the voices of urban states as the electoral college was designed to do.

believe it or not we actually laugh about you being ravaged by migrants that hate your society

we shouldn't though, it isn't funny that you allow your woman's and citizens to be raped and killed daily, because it's "racist" to tell the truth

also the women, forgot about those things

We are a Union of 50 states not 300 million people

We

Aren't

A

Democracy

>It's the red doing this!
Just look at Washington. Blue has been fucking that state up for a long time now.

You lost, the end.

>being checked against rural and suburban people

there are rural democrats, and a lot of them, their votes were silenced by the tyranny of the majority in their states

>what is gerrymandering

and we're back at squate 1

>there are rural democrats, and a lot of them
No there aren't.

I'm not sure where you've been but rural democrats overwhelming turned into rural republicans over the past decade or so.

We aren't the same people. Why are you referring to us as a hivemind? If anything more metropolitan areas have more influence, more people and more "power" to control a nation just by themselves. But they are self contained within themselves. They have really no idea to live in a different state or understand the values that are born from a different from their own. They swing votes is because they are the forgotten POLITICAL minority with less influence because of their state. They lose OUT on the popular vote. Every republican so far has had about the same popular vote each time.

>by the tyranny of the majority in their states
in context of "tyranny of majority" it only applies at state level since you have state representation, not peoples.

Looking at Europe makes me realize that democracy will destroy your society and the only way for true stability is for there so be a constitutional monarchy

>constitutional monarchy
Why monarchy? A republic is good enough, it is not the same as a democracy.

>predominately white, rural states are among the most intelligent in the country
>states littered with mestizo niggers are among the least
Really activates my almonds, Paco.

yea but that isn't happening here, see what reality did there?

also you still cannot or will not refute the logic of the analogy...

yes there are

and even if there weren't, the argument that I originally attacked which is the bullshit vague "tyranny of the majority" applies here

term was literally coined by Hamilton to talk about poor people

>dipshit spoiled morons in the city should decide everything
This is how you end up with people hanging from trees.

source? I'd love to put this to use

>constitutional monarchy
autism

>yes there are
No, they are an extreme minority.

>term was literally coined by Hamilton to talk about poor people
AKA city people

republicucks, just accept that you have no real reason against going by the popular vote, besides of course losing elections

how in your damn mind can you say "well, californians shouldnt decide the fate of iowans" why can it be the other way around? did you know republican states have a higher delegate per person ratio than democratic states? how is that fair? how is it fair for the millions of republican californians, of which dont even bother voting since california has more democrats? you know these republican californians are a part of why california has like 40 delegates or so? 40 delegates going to hillary? popular vote is fair, its literally what the people want, not what the king of england wants

The government will in no way be relevant to the people living in less populous areas, and the government is dumb as fuck about making rules for things that are far removed from it.

check that, 55 out of 271 you need to win

rural people are increasingly useless, farming and manufacturing are almost completely automated which is why they are dying from painkiller overdoses in troves

>muh blue collar america

shut up neocons

It's not fair stupid game mechanincs are broken, dragon punch can't be countered and two crits and you end dizzy.

I know our political system is too complicated for you to understand toothpaste.

The entire point of the electoral college is to ensure that a candidate gets broad support from vast, wide areas of the country to represent all people. No, it's not a pure democracy nor was it ever meant to be. It's not just Iowa countering California. It's states all across the midwest, the south, etc. countering California.

inane drivel, it's not that california shouldn't decide for iowa

it is that NYC and LA shouldn't decide for ~85% of counties in the united states, the majority of counties decide the election

some fringe counties that happen to have a lot of people, but extreme ideologies that will only help them and hurt everyone else are not able to do that, it means the electoral college is doing its job very well

there can only be two sides, pinkos vs patriots. how many parties do you fruit bowls need

This would be a good argument against this but considering that democrats want more central government influence over all the states whereas right leaning people want less central government influence and more state by state influence, your point is moot dude.

You're delusional.

>states = people
>states != people

damn its hard getting a middle school understanding of democracy out of your brain ain't it

First past the post is dumb, I agree, but we have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of illegals voting exclusively Democrat. Until that's fixed and we have strict voter ID laws, fuck the popular vote.

>defending this bullshit

We aren't a democracy.

>player 1 always introduces new strategies that takes player 2 off guard
>player 2 always learns how to counter said strategies by the second round
>player 2 is able to control his positioning and time his defenses and attacks at the most high-stress moment in the match to ensure he deals that final 1 point of damage before his opponent can do the same, 2 rounds in a row

Player 2 more than deserves those wins, to be quite frank with you

Search for Estimating State IQ by MA McDaniel. First result, page 6 has the data. The map was made by somebody else. Can't post the link.

Refute the logic of the analogy and at least consider reality when posting stupid shit come on mohammed

Again, we're not a democracy friend.

would you be fine with every person owning their own state? 300 million us states, each 1 delegate? you wouldnt, because 1, democrats would have won, and 2, the founding cuckolds didnt design it that way 200 years ago

you keep defending this system but if a slight change in amount of delegates and shape of states was made, you would lose it