Is Finland rightful Swedish or Russian clay?

Is Finland rightful Swedish or Russian clay?

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Finland is Finnish clay

Let's see: Sweden rightfully lost it to Russia. We rightfully defeated the Soviet invasion in WW2, resulting in them losing their claim to us.

greater serbia's clay

Those girls look like finns alright. I can tell that from quite amount of finns I have seen in my life.

No clay just ice

Russia is rightfully finnish clay.

I Believe we belong together, not as one but united. I have great respect for Finland, and as was said during the Winter War: Finlands cause is ours.

Mongolian clay

Alright guys, we all know that Finland is rightfully Rotswanan clay.

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Finland is rightful Chosun clay

(((rightful clay)))

spooooooooooky

Finland is rightful Mongol, no?

We all know its korean
Havent you learned about the hyper war?

Finland belongs to the finnish people.

Finland belongs to Sweden and Russia belongs to Finland, therefore Russia is Swedish clay

good luck trying to get finland with your absolutely horrendous army

I have no beef with Finns, but, let me remind you that we won both wars in WWII era and took what we claimed.

Finland defeated noone. It's independence was recognised by the Soviet Russia.

Wrong answer. It's American clay.

yeah you had the "throw more bodies at it" advantage, but you were absolutely horrible at strategy and fighting in general.

Finland, Norway, Denmark, Iceland, Greenland and Russia belong to Sweden

>we
what position did you hold in Politburo m8

>what is winter camouflage

retarded rape baby

Well fenno-swedes will stab u in the back lol. gg ez

you would need to find on the map first dumbass

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>I have no beef with Finns, but, let me remind you that we won both wars in WWII era and took what we claimed.

Stalin invaded with the goal of occupying the whole country and instructed the troops not the enter sweden by mistake.

How do you win a war without reaching any of the war goals?

>Finland defeated noone. It's independence was recognised by the Soviet Russia.

No backsies.

The Finns had extremely advantageous terrain and defensive positions. Why would such loss disparity be a surprise?

That said, our losses globally would be unnoticeable, and skirmishes like that: in Spain and with Japan too (the last of which we won rather skilfully) helped us to quickly adjust the military doctrine and hasten modernisation.

But america is Israeli clay.

Mate, the terrain is the same on both sides of the border, for Russians and Finns.

You just threw bodies at us.. wave after wave, with very little regard for human lives, or strategy of war. We used simple ambush tactics that became famed because your troops were just a disorganized mess - this changed towards the last months of the war though after years of fighting.

Of course I admit that defensive war is easier in some sense than aggressive war, but we pushed far enough in the continuation war too.

Obviously we lost, but still retained our borders and no Soviet Union puppet government was propped up like SU wanted originally with Terijoki Government.

>The Finns had extremely advantageous terrain and defensive positions.

Ah yes, the famous finnish mountain ranges and northern maginot line..

100% soviet revisionism.

>Stalin invaded with the goal of occupying the whole country
No, stupid.
>The Soviets demanded that the border between the USSR and Finland on the Karelian Isthmus be moved westward to a point only 30 km (19 mi) east of Viipuri and that the Finns destroy all existing fortifications on the Karelian Isthmus. They also demanded the cession of islands in the Gulf of Finland as well as the Kalastajansaarento Peninsula. Furthermore, the Finns would have to lease the Hanko Peninsula for thirty years and permit the Soviets to establish a military base there. In exchange, the Soviet Union would cede two municipalities with twice the territory demanded from Finland. Accepting Soviet demands would have forced the Finns to dismantle their defences in Finnish Karelia.

>Finnish concessions and territorial losses exceeded those demanded by the Soviets pre-war.
>In addition to obtaining all of their pre-war demands, the Soviets acquired the entire Karelian Isthmus as well as a large swath of land north of Lake Ladoga. The Soviets also obtained part of the Salla region, while retaining possession of Repola and Porajärvi.

>defensive positions
The mannerheim line was a litteral ditch, the Finns where just better than you.

So why did Stalin take whole of baltics and bessarabia from Romania?

Also
>not knowing of molotov-ribbentrop
Literal trash tier revisionism.

Terijoki Government, a Soviet pupped government was formed in 1939 as a Soviet replacement for our democractic, sovereign government.

You wanted to make Finland part of Soviet Union, no matter if symbolically we would have our borders, it would be part of SU in every regard that matters with regards to sovereign, democracy, legitimacy.

Implying russkies had right to demand something

Only thing he probably knows about SU and the war between Finland is propaganda and Wikipedia. Wouldn't even be surprised if the Winter War + Continuation Wars are censored in Russian history writing because they reveal ugly side of SU.

Not even Americans, when you talk with them, know that we were false flagged and there was a Soviet replacement for our government ready.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelo-Finnish_Soviet_Socialist_Republic
Hmmm, really makes you think doens't it?

Finland belongs to the Finnish people, although they should really speak the language of bättre folk,

It's always nice to see Russian butthurt about winter war and continuation war when even Boris Yeltsin admitted that it was a war of Russian aggression

Israel is Roman clay.

Rome is Finnish clay

I do not deny that Soviet military operation was botched,and the army itself was in some degree of crisis and reorganisation that was fully concluded around the first half of WWII.

Then why did we not simply continue the war? Nothing Finland had could pose any threat or stop us once we broke through the defences at the end of war.

The puppet government was an option, but not the main aim of war.

Finland belongs to china

Sweden and Russia are rightful Fingolian clay.

Tfw born in Kokkola/Karleby but had to move with family almost immediately away after birth and never had the opportunity to learn swedish properly.

Nope. Just some finns butthurt due to a simple reminder that we won.

Denmark belongs to sweden? Oh, burger...

>You just threw bodies at us
Most of the losses are frozen and died of wounds and not killed in battle by you, I'm not surprised that you are so grasping for this "imaginary" victory, apparently in your history there is nothing more meaningful.

That's brutal.

Rome is Etruscan clay.

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Swedish trips of truth!

You have to understand them. Both Sweden and Russia have rich history, that consist victories and defeats. Fins was under both sides rule for centuries, so this one war is literally only thing they can talk about.

Maybe because continuing the war would require you to first dedicate considerble force to crushing Finland completely and then dedicating recources to occupying it.

You are so wrong. You tried to overthrow our government, it was the goal before the war. You propped up Terijoki Govt like weeks before false flag. You wanted all of our clay and your own government with Otto-Wille Kuusinen.

It was very much the main aim of the war as we offered you a lot in the peace talks but you wer ehaving none of it.

And I imagine there is nothing more painful than to admit that soviets had their ass kicked by Finland.
Stalin wanted to invade Finland as a whole and failed.

You took a little strip of land and suffered millions of casualties. Great win Ivan.

>Most of the losses are frozen and died of wounds and not killed in battle by you, I'm not surprised that you are so grasping for this "imaginary" victory, apparently in your history there is nothing more meaningful.

Are you literally arguing that USSR great because they couldn't even get the ukrainian serfs all the way to the front line alive?

>I have no beef with Finns, but, let me remind you that we won both wars in WWII era and took what we claimed.

Steamrolling a neighboring peaceful small country of 3 million inhabitants with an army of 11 million soldiers is as much a feat as Nazi Germany invading Belgium.
And when you only end up with a Pyrrhic victory, it makes it even more pathetic.

I agree, no matter how you look at it Finland and Sweden have been forget together. Half of finland has swedish rape genes and our societies are very similiar. Nothing bad ever comes from white people working together.

Reminder that Putin is ethnically the same as a Finn. His family is from St. Petersburg. He has all the classic East Baltic racial characteristics.

What considerable forces are you talking about? Literally a drop in the ocean of Soviet forces and a puppet government to do all the occupying for us.

Now, the true reason that we didn't do it was because of international diplomacy. The Great Powers wouldn't stand for full occupation, but were totally OK with what we took.

No, it wasn't any sort of feat. It was a smart move to prepare for the WWII and a simple victory. A Pyrrhic victory is the one in which the victor breaks his military power. We only enhanced ours.

Finland is Finland, Sweden is BlackedDotCom, Russia is China

KIA: 65 384;
MIA, lately declared dead: 14 043;
Died in hospitals: 15 921;
Total: 95348;
Krivosheev, G.F.
Go back to school basics, burger.

>the classic East Baltic racial characteristics
so his Autism denial was a damn lie?

t. Burger education.

Also, we won. How are you doing in Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan?

Your leader Putin false flagged it by using the artillery division on your own fucking city just to mislead your own people to inspire fanaticism on your population to justify the shelling of Mainila for this reason alone to invade Finland for the international revolution of Communism Stalinism-Leninism. He's a war mongering imperialist pig.

Other way around, russia is rightfull finnush clay

Tell me where I'm wrong. I exaggerated the soviet deaths but 300k+ vs 70k casualties is pathetic considered your superior military might. All you really "won" was a strip of land on the border. I'm not an expert on cost-benefit but that seems like a terrible deal.

>millions of casualtie
Billions can be?
I'm just trying to say that the incompetence of the communists and weather were more important than your "snipers" and guerrillas.
Your ass still hurts after we fuck Napoleon?

Civilized world's idea of victory:
Nation retains it's independence and self-governance.
Russian's idea of victory:
Conquer and pillage enemy capital and send 12 million of your people to the gulags))))))))))))))))

Do I have to remind you that Finnish troops where still inside Rukajärvi when you made peace?
First you would have to crush the Finnish army, then you would have to deal with endless guerillafinns fucking everything up for your occupation forces.
Lmaoing your life if you believe any Finns would support your puppet government.

>Suomi-Kreikka

Not even the communist Finns, to which Stalin relied when he formed Terijoki with Kuusinen, supported his ambitions of taking over Finland as is self-evident in the overwhelming unity and cohesion of the Finnish people during the wars.

Pretty much only the traitors jumped ships.

Did you guys kick out (((a certain people))) after the communist uprising? That might explain the nationalist unity during the later wars.

I've tried to erase it from my memory

>Soviets are the best

Doesn't matter, we kill both.

The territorial demands against Finland could be the life and death of Leningrad in WWII.

We had real combat experience that increased modernisation and reform that could be the life and death of Russia in WWII.

Literally no damage to demography, economy or Military of ours was done.

We achieved obedience from highly conscious and heroic Polish and Germans. Are you suggesting that extremely passive, autistic and dormant Finns would be any issue at all?

If you mean during our civil war, then no, we didn't ship them out. Some rogue movements (one of which was Lapuan Liike, something like "Lapua Movement") did take people to SU border (like our former president kek). A lot of reds and whites died in our civil war though.

but on a government level we did not do this. Some were sent to prison for crimes, but after our civil war there was a very strong co-operation in making Finland a place for everyone, we had both socialists and democrats and right leaning people working together in post-civil war governments.

Our communists and socialists just were so fucking red-pilled that they didn't buy what Stalin was selling lol

All of the north is mine by right..

There was no superior military power sent to Tinland, they didn't have neither the right training, nor gear, nor planning. The Winter War was rushed on the Soviet Side. Finns started preparing for war on the border years prior, though. The gain of that strip of land was strategic in the sense that both in and next to Leningrad there were important armory factories.

Igor, lets just agree that every time there has been hostilities between us, it has cost you lots of your brethen and we have always lost land. Both worse off from hostilities? Next time maybe attack Sweden instead?

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>autistic, passive and dormant
> spit in the dface of defeat and kill more than half a million russians
Ok buddy, whatever helps you sleep at night

>>The territorial demands against Finland could be the life and death of Leningrad.
No they would not. We do not have many secret documents leftover from world war 2, you can go and check this from our national archive. We were completely neutral party to the war.

Only part in our country that was hungry for war and aggressive expansion was the Academic Karelia Society that wasn't a big movement, and not "official" movement and our average people and government + armed forces stance towards it and its members was a big "no". Whenever it reared its ugly head like some officer chimping out about expanding Finland to far beyond our official borders they got told to shut their fucking trap.

Actually, you did lose the the USSR, but caused them emence damage, they were stupid to fight Finland for no good reason, but you rightfully broke away from the Russian Empire, not the USSR. So Finland is rightfully Finnish. Although Russia took some chunks which had very little value to it.. other than a land border with Norway.

>Are you suggesting that extremely passive, autistic and dormant Finns would be any issue at all?

You dumb Ruskie. You're right the Finns are autistic, but have you ever seen an autist get mad? Now imagine a whole nation of autists getting mad, that's why you lost.

The soviets had much better equipment and funding. Better/newer tanks, aircraft, weapons. Not to mention 1000x more of them. They had better equipment by far.

youtube.com/watch?v=uPSH35TXpSo

>Tinland
Well that's something new.

Oh and our armed forces only preparations were defensive. Not aggressive. We did not want war nor did we have aspirations of becoming enemy of SU in the war.

This is also self-evident of the peace talks between Finland-Russia-SU (since SU stopped all political ties to Finland directly after they started the war) where we were ready to give up lot of clay, but SU did not listen and did not want to hear.

Wtf Latvia are you on Russia's side? I didn't know you were slav!

Lmao, fenno-swedes ain't shit. Almost as limp-wristed as proper swedish fags.

Sweden is Finnish clay. The Finns will make Ruotsi greater than ever before

>Your ass still hurts after we fuck Napoleon?
I wasn't born yet and didn't have any part in that, so I don't really give a fuck.
And I actually have a great deal of respect for Kutuzov and Suvorov.

If you want to go on the topic of military prowess and self-masturbation though, France has the highest record of military victories in Europe, being a central power in European politics for over a thousand years despite having been surrounded by several major opponents throughout its entire history and had to actually protect its open borders from all kinds of coalitions
Whereas Russia only had to deal with Asian natives and harmless minor states to expand, and could safely retreat under the cover of the harsh Russian winter, burning its own land as the main deterrent for invaders to stay, should anything threaten the country.
Nothing to be really proud of, to be honest.

That is, if you're one of those people taking any pride in things done in the past you personally didn't have anything to do with.
But you're not one of those, are you?

Nigger what? Soviets didn't even have automatic weaponry. Their shit would freeze during battle, because it was using outdated parts, their aviation was old and busted and could do only small sorties for small distances, the artillery was much older, the tanks were useless half the time because of the outdated maps they were using. Finns, on the other hand, had some updated weaponry from the west previously.

>Are you suggesting that extremely passive, autistic and dormant Finns would be any issue at all?

So i take you have never tried to bend an autist to your will?

No, but you can leave him to his own devices and he'll get out from your way.