2300 years later and religioncucks still have no answer for this

2300 years later and religioncucks still have no answer for this

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>Evil exists
It doesn't.
Paradox solved.

>greek
Go back to fucking dudes in the ass you filthy faggot

He's not all good. Mystery solved.

Nice argument religioncuck., continue having your head buried in the sand.
Also, enjoy your heresy, created by your hedonistic dictator because he wanted a 9th wife.

>still have no answer for this
wrong

it only works on an emotional level,
>i don't like a god who would permit evil and suffering
the logical form of the argument
>it is irrational that a god would permit evil and suffering
doesn't work

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Most, if not all, religions claim that God is an all loving, all knowing, all powerfull being though, if we take one of these characteristics out most existing religions fall apart.

It's designed a certain way on purpose. Once you can figure out how God can simultaneously plan every moment while also giving us free will to choose in the moment, you could maybe understand.

Said the Christcuck while all his belief were shattered by a single image

epicuro? more like epifedora
all the evil in my life directly lead to all the good in it I trust God
you're a retard

"all loving"
lol God hates sin, and people who reject his truth
he hates them so much he burns them in hell eternally
"all loving"
pff

It's based on the concept of evil
A human concept
Which doesn't apply

The main thing I have about god being omniscient, if he know's everything, then he'll know what we'll do, before we do it, which takes free will off the table
so either
>Free will or omniscience, you gotta pick one

>"you're a retard"
>doesn't provide a single argument for his case other than "epicuro? more like epifedora" and "IN GAWD AH TREST"
kek

According to religion, evil exists.

Which is OP's point.

Yes, but there isn't one kind of love.
You deny your child candy, because it rots their teeth.
You deny your child something your child perceives as good, for the good of the child.

the "problem" of evil, in a way, does work logically as an argument FOR theism though:

>p1: if God does not exist, objective moral values do not exist
>p2: objective moral values do exist (evil)
>c: therefore, God exists

Trying to understand the Gods with puny human brains is impossible and you should just give up

:^)

OP neglects to acknowledge the true origin of monotheism and fails to place "God" in the proper context, just as Epicurean has done. A fundamental mistake so don't feel too bad.

Kekt heartily

t. brainlet

>if god isn't 100% god he doesn't exist

i'll just post some godman comicstrips

>god is above all logic, so you can't defeat him with logic; isn't that quite the logical argument i'm making?

God enjoys fucking with us. It's like playing Sims.

>if god isn't 100% god all modern religions are wrong

free will and no evil is a logical contradiction
It does not have anything to do with being all powerful

>What is evil

There you have the counter argument.

It's almost as if these concepts are more complicated than we can understand, as if these things are taking place on a metaphysical level or in a dimension separate from our own. Hmmmmmmm.

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>2300 years later and religioncucks still have no answer for this
Who is Mani ? Faggot.

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Depends on how you define free will
Just because God knows what you are going to do does not mean he decided what you are going to do

It comes down to definitions. All powerful could mean that god is able within some limitations such as not break logic rules. It is a strange idea to structure a reasoning following logic rules and demand that the god must break those logic rules. Of course it will be a pradox with that setup.

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This only works on christians, tried on a muslim and it didn't work.

>Evil cannot exist without good anymore than up can without down
T. Thomas browne

it worked on a Christian?

There is a loop from "Then why didn't he?" to "Could god have created a universe with free-will but without evil?" Therefor this paradox isn't really a paradox, because it solves itself. Essentially its answer is that he just wanted to, out of "free-will".

There is also uncertainty behind reasons for not wanting to prevent evil. There isn't a simple answer to something you have no idea about. Epicuro couldn't possibly know the agenda of something that has questionable existance.

Solved desu.

>Baby's first theological argument
>Utterly shit
>But you see this Gayreek nobody gives a shit about that live 2 millenia ago also made the same stupid argument
>So therefore it's not shit

Evil is the absence of good, as nothingness is an absence of existence. How can God prevent the absence of good without making all people totally good. And if this were so, then the premise "evil exists" would be false. Evil would be meaningless, as colours are to the blind...

>falling for the demiurge's lies
My friend...

But no matter what you do, he will know, if you break from it, then he won't have really known, if you can't break from it, then no free will

>no arguments
go back to church, don't you have to be molested by a priest or something?

Its free in the sense it was not determined by God

Philosophy isn't bound by time until the culture surpasses its relevancy, this comment is utterly retarded.

Philosophy is A LOT more important than you seem to think.

But religiousfags believe god is all good sooo....

We need a 'no' route for 'Evil Exists'.

It'll point to a box with Stirner saying 'Evil is a Spook'

Mani is a persian prophet of the third century with a christian background but mixed it with many philosophical currents including Zoroastrism and Buddism.

One of his main concern and philosophical achievement was to theorize Good and Evil. His own name created the term "manicheism" which is now a pejorative term to consider everything either good and evil but Mani teachings are of course more complicated than that.

The "God can't be all powerful and all good at the same time" problem IS answered by Mani. Read him. I can't really summerize with a post on Sup Forums but it's mostly about Good and Evil being internal to every men, making God's intervention both not needed and self defeating. Light is what humans can make, dark is the absence of light, not the opposite.

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>Giving arguments to the dumbest non argument

No point.

The whole crux of the argument is somehow god can't be good unless he immediately destroys evil.

Forgetting that evil might have a purpose.

>then god is not good/god is not loving.
Yes this is the end. God will not be your fantasy communist paradise either, filthie commie.

>Philosophy is A LOT more important than you seem to think.

Not all philosophers are equal in worth or importance.

The reason Epicurus is quoted so much is because he is an ancient gayreek so therefore what ever must have worth. And if you defend that you are a faggot who only sees philosophy as a means of being "special"

>Knows we would do
=/= Control
>Could/would
Someone doing or not doing something you differently than you, doesn't mean they don't exist

>implying you have to prevent evil to be good

sounds like socialism to me

Evil is just the absence of God. Therefore, it's just a decision on our part to be with God or not. Being away from God is "evil" or lacking God. A common comparison is there isn't such a thing as shadow, only lack of light.

God allows us to decide to love him or not, because he gives us free will; so, God, setting up the universe with the perimeters that he did, must work within the constructs of the perimeters he gave himself, meaning we have the choice to not choose God.
/thread

Then the New Testament is extremely wrong because it's writen all over it.

Now don't try to answer philosophical questions with one-liners on a Korean Tuna-Fishing board

i dont think that guy knew about asking questions with no clear answers. it never occured to him (or you it seems) that not everything is yes or no.

ill formed questions have no answers.

"This sentence is false."

is not a paradox, is an ill-defined sentence with has no true/false value.

Replace the word evil by suffering.

I take it that godman is just making fun of the religious and also the people dumb enough to get into a debate about it?

the problem of evil:

two distinctions:
1: The Intellectual Problem:
>I think it is irrational that God would permit suffering and evil.
2: The Emotional Problem
>I don't like a God who would permit suffering and evil. wahh wahh wah

The Intellectual problem has 2 forms itself:
1: Logical problem:
>It's impossible that God and evil co-exist
2: Probabillistic Version:
>It's improbable that God and evil co-exist

The problem with this is that there is no reason to think that God and evil are logically incompatible.
There is no explicit evidence of incompatibility.
If the atheist were to say it is due to implicit evidence then we must assume that this is due to some hidden premises which would serve to bring out this contradiction and make it explicit.

But the problem is, no philosopher has ever been successful in identifying such premises, and therefore, the logical version of the problem of evil has failed to prove any inconsistency between god and the presence of evil.

But more than that, we can actually prove that God and evil are logically compatible. The atheist presupposes God cannot have morally sufficient reasons for permitting evil. This assumption is just not necessarily true, so long that it is even possible that god has morally sufficient reasons. Contemporary philosophers have widely recognized that the logical version of the problem of evil has been dissolved.

meh

look into "first mover" or "prime mover"

and then tell me that some kind of "god" does not exist

the trick is all religions use this for validating their own stuff, which is a stretch

>Free will exists
kek

If you really want an answer to this question, read this book or any biography of Mani

God pays a price for your free will- it is the existence of evil.

>not understanding shit about god.

Children are not prevented from making mistakes or acting immorally, because parents want to teach their children wisdom.

False, if he is so irrelevant, then why the attraction to the thread? Rather contradicting to your statement as it has generated discussion.

Of course not all philosophers are equal in worth or importance, you seem to have a grudge against the Greeks. Which is odd because your countrymen move there. but then again they move everywhere.

OP is a fag

"For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil."
Man was created in gods image and can do as he wish evil or not it doesn't matter because
"Every man shall be judged according to his works"
The question of good and evil is already in their book and has been since forever
The question you should be asking christcuks is why they practice a religion for the middle east and why is their idol a hebrew jew

thisIt assumes evil exists.

>According to religion, evil exists.
The existence of God is not reliant on the accuracy of a particular religion. God exists, evil is a subjective human concept and religion has a mistaken understanding on the concept of evil.

I could agree with that; but, while evil may cause suffering, not all suffering is evil. Jesus suffered on the cross, and that wasn't evil or lacking God.

>False, if he is so irrelevant, then why the attraction to the thread?

Sup Forums is full of idiots and you are making an appeal to popularity.

>you seem to have a grudge against the Greeks

They are the most over rated

Abrahamic faiths are all slave morality anyway.

Earth is god. Nature is god.

Replace God with American Imperialism.

To believe in a benevolent personal Judeo-christian god is to believe it was part of his plan to leave humanity in the dark for thousands of years with everyone watching each other suffer, dying of the teeth, going senile, killed by diseases and not given the faintest of knowledge to know what's going on and thinking it's demon magic.

If God prevents evil, does free will exist?

Evil needs to exists. How can we know light exists without shadow/darkness?

I'm not religious, but at least I understand this. This really isn't a complicated issue.

>In order for good to exist, evil must exist
>In order to fully test man (trial to enter heaven), there must be evil
>Satan exists to provide this test and allow man to enter heaven, without him free will would not exist
>INB4 Satan played himself by falling directly into God's plan

More like without being all knowing, no one can actually be truely evil.

>is God willing but not able
God is willing and able
>is God able but not willing
Hard of hearing? Both willing and able
>is God both willing and able?
Now you're listening
>whence cometh Evil
Pride
>is God neither willing nor able
This again, wow you are slow
>why call him God?
Because he is God

B-but evil... You are gifted free will.

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>Being away from God is "evil" or lacking God.
Doesn't really change anything though. Why doesn't God make everyone God fearing? If everyone is created in his image, he creates people that on purpose will sin. So that he can punish them.

This paradox still holds water after all this time, you twitching the words doesn't change anything.

No, you made the appeal to popularity by mentioning worth and importance, he was just responding to that point.

>Then why didn't he
Without evil there is no good. Without sadness, there is no happiness. Without -, there is no +.

If you think in dualities, you are still a slave to the religions you claim to renounce.

Just because you think they are overrated doesn't mean they are. You probably feel that way because they are taught the most. This is most likely due to the fact that they wrote a lot of shit down. Much less effort to archive their work. But hey if you want to go dig up some symbols and poop scriptures go ahead

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All the trump and antifa spamming has made us forget what a cancer religious threads have been on Sup Forums in the past.

Would you write a book where only good things happen to your characters?

>God is not good
So? He punishes the wicked and rewards the valorous. He's not some lovey dovey fag

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If everybody is created in God's image, he is indeed evil for creating people that will sin.

We've answered it a thousand times.

God is ready, willing, and able to eradicate all evil, as he said he would, when he said he would, how he said he would.

As you are evil, you should take advantage of this hiatus to ensure you are not cast into eternal torment in a lake of fire.

>If everyone is created in his image, he creates people that on purpose will sin.

Consider the following: God created all things/is all creation. That includes the angels that turned against him and swore to turn humanity away from him, it includes all evil and destruction. So yes, it makes perfect sense that God created us in his image and that that includes sin.

I have an answer?

Why would god give a hoot?

If we are never given the illusion of free will we would never try to test ourselves. I think the very action of demonstrating the self assumed free will to God for reightous things would be what he's looking for if there is no free will. And he gives us the illusion of free will to do bad things and be punished accordingly.

Created in god's image is not the same as created in god's essence.

When you say God is evil, you abandon all hope.

While it is true that your god is evil, your god being either yourself or the devil, God is good.

Evil isn't a force in Christianity, it's just distance from god

You cant have a universe witout evil and one with free will. Problem solved bitch. Took me like ten seconds, no ones pointed this out for thousands of years?

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>2300 years later and religioncucks still have no answer for this

The bit you are missing is that we are the ones who choose and make evil possible. It's very kind of God to allow us to exist at all.