Ontario universal income

Can someone explain universal income to me, and why it is a good/bad thing

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How is "basic universal income" defined? I don't know your leaf laws, bro

Its great because it will make all the other useless provinces even more jealous that they arent Ontario (looking at you first, albertafags)

it means rich people pay for losers to smoke pot and jack off to cartoons instead of working

Do I get NEET bux?

it's guaranteed ~17-24k/yr

NEETbux for all

basically this

If I move to Canada will I get heroin subsidies?

It's the only solution to automation. The populace should work for it though, they can just do charity work.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HOW IS THIS CUNT STILL IN OFFICE?

So what's to stop every shitkicker in the nation from moving to those 3 cities?

>Can someone explain universal income to me, and why it is a good/bad thing

They're putting everyone on welfare. Its bad because the only place the money for it will come from is taxpayers and it will make people reliant on the government. Why work a high paying job if you can just go on state welfare, they'll just steal the extra you would have made anyway.

Listen to the audio clips / video of the announcement of this today.

The minister in charge LITERALLY says "I don't know where the money is coming from."

It's Not-Socialism

So, it's socialism

In theory, it removes people from welfare and remove them from welfare benefices such as paid glasses and paid dentist.

It also encourage people to take jobs that give them low number of hours that is not enough to live, without penalties if they are getting too much money at the job.

In practice, it never work and it is a sign of the fall of a civilization. See the Roman Empire

not from Ontario but I'm pretty sure only 4,000 people are going to be chosen for this experiment

Communism can't work without walls for obvious reasons.

It's not the same as friedman's negative income tax, which he only ever intended to be a transitional measure to get away from welfare.
The more you earn under a negative income tax, the less you receive, under a basic income you receive a fixed amount no matter how much you earn.

Wrong, it means little middle-class suckers who are the ones actually paying for losers to smoke pot and jack off to cartoons instead of working

Sounds good. Can I move to canada to receive free gibs?

Coporations need to pay. The taxes can sway this way.

You are not strong forever. This social safety net will be a godsend to you when you contract cancer or get broken in someway.

Yes, you can play and jackoff too. So what? You finger your butthole and smell it. You can do that inbetween jobs and get paid too!

It's not precisely UBI right now, you have to apply during the testing period. I don't think there's any further information regarding that, however but I think its safe to say most people who there now won't get it. Unless you're Muslim, of course.

It's planned for three cities of different sizes, for three years total, at a cost of $50,000,000 per year.

>It's the only solution to automation.
>The populace should work for it though
You realize how silly that sounds right?

UBI is at it's core a bribe. You bribe the people to not revolt when automation crashes the job market beyond repair. You pay people who would otherwise be out of work and desperate to shut up and stay home instead of protesting and rioting. In theory that keeps things calm and peaceful and replaces ever other social service.

It is hardly a perfect solution, there are a lot of practical and philosophical questions, but it is the best anyone has come up with so far.

t. family doesn't care enough about me to look after me when elderly and infirm.

It's welfare and it's bad right now because we're 320 billion iin debt and Wynne is pulling this shit to try and secure votes.

I may be eligible, I'm sort of in one of the applicable areas. Not sure if they'll even consider me, are they basing it on tax returns? People on welfare? Disability? I'm low income due to worker's compensation. Been looking for work 2+ years unsuccessfully.

Even so, the number of test cases is small. No point getting my hopes up.

By losers you mean Muslims right?

it's communism / massive wealth redistribution by another name

of course they are rolling it out in Ontario's cities because they are full of low IQ immigrants from places like Pakistan and Africa

White taxpayers will now subsidize their own genocidal demographic replacement

Thanks, Traitor Trudeau!

It's like Canada just wants to take our fleeing illegals

Thanks Canada!

if you're a nigger or mudslime yeah

i cant wait for it to do so well that canada entirely adopts it and then has a massive economic crash leading to a US invasion

I'm from Lindsay (one of the UBI cities) and if kek is out there pls grant this lowly Canadian one wish. Get someone to nuke us pls

“Should we look to kings and princes to put right the inequalities between rich and poor? Should we require soldiers to come and seize the rich person’s gold and distribute it among his destitute neighbors? Should we beg the emperor to impose a tax on the rich so great that it reduces them to the level of the poor and then to share the proceeds of that tax among everyone? Equality imposed by force would achieve nothing, and do much harm. Those who combined both cruel hearts and sharp minds would soon find ways of making themselves rich again.

Worse still, the rich whose gold was taken away would feel bitter and resentful; while the poor who received the gold from the hands of soldiers would feel no gratitude, because no generosity would have prompted the gift. Far from bringing moral benefit to society, it would actually do moral harm. Material justice cannot be accomplished by compulsion, a change of heart will not follow. The only way to achieve true justice is to change people’s hearts first—and then they will joyfully share their wealth.” – St. John Chrysostom

Good for white homogeneous nationalistic communities. Bad for mutikulti society or cuck society's

May as well apply.

Remember it's a testing period so they aren't going to take only [this specific type of people] unless they're fucking retarded. Mind you, they are functionally retarded, so they may do that anyways, but if they were intelligent they would be taking samples from a wide array of types of candidates to get useful results.

City planners etc want to maintain their systems that they are the head of. To justify this they will hand out others money to people willing to be part of their engineering. It is like a cult feeding its followers. I would rather give money to people of vision in other countries or encourage a real green economy but whatever. This simply disincentivises some of the great people that have made things happen and encourages being abottom feeder to corporate outlets.

Technology has essentially meant:
No food shortages
You could essentially make anything you want on a small scale without the centralized system.

Too much power, spread out.

Why do you think they are trying to focus everyone on fighting over Hollywood?
Why should you care about Hollywood?
They only have as much power as you give them.

a kike dyke implementing communism. great.

>gov gives money to everyone
>gov goes broke
genius

Literally my city is getting UBI and there's 25k+ of us. We're mostly a conservative riding AND seniors so idk how this will turn out

God I hate this dyke with every fibre in my being

that sounds like a pretty hand-wavey way of justifying income inequality

>get robbed
>have no money until the next installment
great idea

>ON Province in debt
>Roll out basic income
>BC can pay for our free gibs.

Yeah, if I get selected I will. I'd rather be working, and will keep looking for work. I've been living off ~$650 a month for two years now, living in a shitty rooming house, barely getting by. Applying to any job I can do (can't do physical labor). Just never get responses. I've been depressed, stressed out, and just generally miserable. It shouldn't be this hard. I'm limited that I can't drive out of the city I'm in either.

Every choice is awful, no nationalism. Kellie leitch was screwed from the gitgo. Canadians WEWUZKANGZ

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With the stuff I overhear occasionally in small towns, I wouldn't be surprised if somebody offs her if she manages to convince all the immigrants to re-elect her.

Our beloved rural and suburban retards are a ticking time bomb over how she's treating them. The language I hear from people when they talk about her makes me feel like I should be washing my ears out with soap.

because she's in leaf territory

Enough with this 'social safety net' meme already.

Anyone who isn't a complete basement dwelling anti-social retard already has a social safety net among his network of friends and family. UBI benefits only the losers of society, subsidizing their degenerate lifestyle.

>ontario
probably

Ontarios next provincial election is screwed. Ya got either Wynne the dyke. Or Patrick Brown who sides with her on everything. Plus Brown is a closet Cork Soaker

read this thread and realize why it is a very bad thing. and then someone make a redpill image of it

archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/115774375/#115774375

Basic income is basically the best form of social control when everything gets jewed into utter destruction

Basically, if you decide to riot against the fact that you're irredeemably fucked, they'll just cut off your neetbux and you'll starve to death, or get shot because you were trying to steal to avoid starving to death

Enjoy your rapid inflation and subsequent loss of buying power for the middle class, ya canucks!

>paid glasses and paid dentist.
what? welfare in Ontario already won't pay for that shit. they WILL give you like $65 for the dentist which is enough for oh let's see FUCKING NOTHING. they will pay(within reason) for you to get an education but beyond that you're on your own for everything besides rent and food

universal income would also replace the disability system which is a currently a fucking joke for anyone actually disabled. it IS a good idea but unfortunately it also means lazy fucks will get an even better free ride and more will likely join in to reap the benefits

>ontario
i think the muslim vote there alone is the majority so not surprising

>gov goes broke
>gives money to everyone

fix't

Good:
Social safety net protecting people from malnutrition, homelessness, lack of healthcare

Bad:
Redistributes wealth from the productive to the unproductive thereby increasing tax, and thereby burdening the economy.
Creates income cliffs whereby working more becomes a disadvantage, perpetuating cycles of poverty and generating a dependent class. Since work must be taxed more to feed a mounting demand, dependency is further incentivised. Unpredictable ensuing social changes and moral decay may lead to the collapse of civilisation.

I'm not biased at all.

Trudeau also made any students whose household makes 50k+ unable to claim tuition or books in university to "make room for the lower class". Canada is lost

You can't even fuck a robot yet. Not a good one. But they think we're ready for a star trek economy.

>Ontario has already near double Californias debt
>somehow they think they can pay for this

it's not just small towns, even the mid sized cities are full of people that literally want her dead. fuck after the carbon tax shit hit i had a walmart cashier tell me he wises someone would shoot her which is a pretty common thing to hear these days. there's a lot of rage built up outside the GTA but it's pretty doubtful it will amount to anything. i won't be at all surprised to see the GTA elect her again tho, that entire fucking area needs a nuke

Ever read Player Piano by Vonnegut ?

>1 post by this id
every fucking thread.

It misses the big problems in poverty. For example, you can throw all of the money in the world at a homeless addict and the addict will still be broke because the root of the problem was never fixed. Basic income fails at analysing the problem of a poor individual and instead tries to apply a blanket solution to the problem. The other problem is a basic income high enough to live on will increase complacency of the able bodied. Which means less productivity and less tax revenue to pay for the bloody program. Basic income is basically communism lite. It will have the similar short comings as communism.

source?

Ontario is absolutely fucked. theyre THE reason canada looks cucked

Tolerance my fucking ass. This asshole and his dyke boyfriend HATES the fuck out of us. They're watching us squirm like worms.

only in ontario and its happened already

yes that's the GTA. they hold enough seats to control every election no matter what the rest of the province votes

>outside the GTA
which is like 4 or 5 people

>yes that's the GTA. they hold enough seats to control every election no matter what the rest of the province votes

>rest of the province
try rest of the country while youre at it

>It's the only solution to automation.
""""""""""automation""""""""""

muh automation boogeyman

You fucking Londoners are pathetic.

The cities that they are testing are like 0% muslim

I really doubt this will ever come to brampton

poverty isn't the problem, it's the goal. see

archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/115774375

Ontario bro, the economy sucks so bad.

Don't be down on yourself, do the best in whatever situation you're in. Focus on developing a long term skill to independence.

So rather than give welfare to the poorest who can't work and who may be disabled, that pot gets split across the entire population, even the richest?

try 7 million or slightly more then half the entire province. yet those 7 million are at the mercy of a city full of foreign liberal cock suckers

it's literally just what seniors get now, it's a genius idea.

i feel like old people should be forced out of the workforce and this is the only way. if you are 60+ get fucked and die already, there is literally no reason you should still be sitting in your job, you're practically senile. just let the government take care of you.

Right. Everyone has to get the income, or else it isn't "universal" income.

also
>poorest who can't work
Try people who choose not to work and so are poor

nah the rest of the country can at least overpower the GTA. sure they still hold a massive number of seats compared to other major cities but they don't cancel out the entire fucking country like they do the province

and most importantly stay the fuck in ontario. we dont fucking want you here. like a commiefornian in texas or a muslim in europe you always end up turning your new home into the same shithole you ran from

- the rest of us

I have been. Just frustrating to want to work, have skills to offer and just... go nowhere. Family doesn't care, friends just think I am being lazy. I just want to earn a living and be able to support myself.

Unfortunately, I can see the money going to the fucks who shouldn't get it, like all the alcoholics/addicts I've met in rooming houses. They're already on disability ($1100) and broke a week after getting their money because it all goes to beer, pot or whatever else they can get their hands on. $600 more a month means $600 more of partying. They spend every cent on their vices, and use food banks and church meals to eat. It's sickening. They're basically human garbage.

i used to live in toronto and i miss it. i've lived up north for a while now. the gta is great.

i don't know why Sup Forums hates it so much. you stay out of the sketchy black/brown areas, and its great. full of rich people and its pleasant.

try living outside of the gta. its depressing. im in a small town and i'm pretty sure 90% of the people here are addicted to crack.

i wish the economy was better but its shitty everywhere. but i cant wait to move back to toronto. small towns are overrated as fuck.

the way it'll work is they set a income level and if you make less then that the government makes up the difference. so if it's say $30k and you make $20k then you'll get the extra $10k from the government. problem is that'll also include fucks too lazy to work and junkies that will piss away the money on drugs and alcohol rather then actually improve their lives

Try security. Minimum physical capability required. I'm a skinny out of shape generally weak guy and Im increasing my pool of money every month after CC's/rent.
Hell one of the sites is operated at night by an obese 65 year old Russian.

>All illegal shits move from US to Canada
>All hard-working, industrious families move to US

After we finish the Northern Wall, this should fix both problems quite nicely.

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>i don't know why Sup Forums hates it so much
it's not just Sup Forums bruh, the entire fucking province would love to watch that city burn. also i do live outside the GTA and am perfectly happy not living in an crowded shithole full of subhuman scum

A guaranteed "income" is the final stage of colonialism in which the host people have finally been defeated , and the last thing to take from them is their ability to work and be autonomous at all.

what is there to justify? Income inequality is an unavoidable phenomenon

I'll consider it. I haven't seen too many job postings like that. Are you on your feet the whole time? I can walk and move around, just being on my feet all day is a problem. Mostly can't lift stuff or stand in place all day or on my feet all day. I can stand for an hour or so probably.

iirc if you have basic income you dont get things like unemployment or various programs like food stamps and it actually saves money for everyone.

i still say outside ontario and quebec nobody elses vote really counts for fuck all

A system with zero income inequality is not possible, nor desirable.

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If you have a job, you will have to pay taxes to: 1. cover your own basic income, 2. cover the basic income for the non-working people, 3. taxes to build the roads and shit