He hasn't seen the most Sup Forums movie of the decade

>He hasn't seen the most Sup Forums movie of the decade

Seriously, go torrent it right now.

God's Not Dead

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So it's settled that agnostic makes the most sense then right?
Does he actually provide an argument that supports and justifies unfaltering belief in his specific god?

You can't disprove that God is an ice-cream shitting monster.

You can't prove it either eh

Fucking idiot

The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

And I say no one can disprove that Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry exists.

It wasn't settled?

How will fedoras ever recover?

you have a point if you think everything that can't be disproven is true

Cringiest, strawman bullshit ive seen in a while.

Saw it at my grandparents'. I'm a Christian and even I hated it.

Of course you can prove the existence of God.

Also too to add about the strawmans they imply the only reason anyone doesnt believe in their shitty religion is that you either had some tramatic thing that maked u bitter or your a violent psychopath.

(granted muslims are, still if not for muslims they wouldve did it another group, only thing accurate in the movie.)

I saw a few minutes of that, it was cringey to say the least.
Also Agnostic is the only thing that makes any sense at all.

Flawed logic.

The burden of proof lies upon the person making the claim.

and the claim is "there is no God." the majority of human beings believe in some form of creator and have for millennia. burden of proof is on YOU, tipster

Are you new here? We resolved all this shit a couple of years ago.

>Faggot OP says that no one can prove the existence of vampire space aliens and they're right. But I say, no one can disprove that vampire space aliens exist.

The list of things you can't disprove is infinite, namely because if something doesn't exist in the first place there's no evidence to use to prove it doesn't exist. Are you 14 or something, or you've just never taken any philosophy, rhetoric, or debate classes. Another thread died for you to make this steaming pile of shit thread here kid.

>Billions of people believing in something.
>Therefore it's true.
It's like we've stepped into a time machine and gone back to the /pol of 2012.

Agnostic theism is the true redpill, user. We might not be able to know for certain whether God exists, but living as a theist is objectively better in every way, and Christianity seems to be the best of the theistic religions to be a part of
> 360 spin and moonwalk away

>the majority of human beings believe in some form of creator and have for millennia
you're not seriously using the majority as if it's a valid argument are you?

I still wonder just how much of this Sup Forums christfag shit is satire or some of you are legitimatly this retarded.

don't listen to this buttblasted fedora, OP. Sup Forums is a Christian board. always has been. always will be

Dude read books on theology and christian philosophy if you want to reinforce your faith
That movie is stupid and cringy dont repeat anything you hear in it

I lived/worked some place where the tvs had only a few movies programmed in every few months. I watched half of this shitbrick movie and it was utter garbage.

Basically, some smug, small town douche bag is upset that some people don't believe in God. I don't really remember, but I think it ended with a child being miraculously saved in the hospital.

Yeah, no fucking shit, right? And I think some anti-God guy all of a sudden became a believer. So it's like, douche bag couldn't prove anything, but was still able to convince god existed.

Though, turning people into sheep without evidence is done on the daily, so wtf

redit misses you dearly, little ones! hurry back

Your mother misses my cock snugged deep in her pussy.

desease the trollage pls
they rightfully called you out on your bullshit argument
study and learn to argue you are a disgrace to christianity (if you are not trolling)

burden of proof is on you to prove that the universe exists just because it can

>Christianity seems to be the best of the theistic religions to be a part of

More like the easiest blue pill to swallow. Christianity is the oldest and ultimate Jewish trick ever pulled on the white man.
Sup Forums had settled this issue long ago before conservative redditors came in thinking this was just a circle jerk of being edgy and doing the exact opposite of what liberals do.

Spoiler alert: you all have to go back.

God's Not Dead was absolute fucking trash, coming from a Christian. That movie was such shit it wasn't even funny.

Portions of it were literally fucking deus ex machina.

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I hate how Christians started espousing the diversity is our strength meme.

If I remember correctly, an Arab, an Asian, and a white all come together to listen to a Jesus rock band at the end of that movie.

That's why we call them christcucks.

There is a God and There is not a God are both claims. Neither of them require more or less evidence to be valid.

In terms of explaining the existence of our universe one must deal with the teleological question, namely why should the universe be as it is rather than some other form. A simple argument would be to claim that the Earth or Man must require a designer; but a far more fundamental and difficult paradox arises from the basic laws of physics. Simply put all the fundamental forces of physics (gravity, electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear force) have set values as do cosmological constants like the speed of light which when put together form our universe. However there is no logical reason for any of these values to be as they are rather than any other value and a slight alteration to any of them would drastically change the universe for example a slight increase or decrease in the power of gravity could preclude the formation of stars and planets and leave the universe a giant cloud of plasma.

So to answer the teleological question one is left with two possible answers.

1: The universe was designed by someone or something.

2; The universe was not designed but is one of an infinite number of universes and we just happen to be in a good one.

Both assertions can be deemed necessary to explain existence and both can be criticized for a lack of evidence. In the one case proof for the existence of a creator is lacking, in the other case proof for the existence of infinite universes is lacking. Having studied the question, I would say neither theory is significantly more or less defensible than the other and agnosticism is ultimately the logical stance to adopt.

>le American protestants jerk themselves off over a pile of strawmen and adapt a chain email into a full length movie meme

Agnosticism is the true metaphysical path. The rest of philosophy and mythology.

Are you agnostic about Dagda, Zeus and Odin? Or do you deserve that honor for the Christian good only.

It's improbable either way but clamping the fence firmly between your arse cheeks and refusing to take a position (whilst most likely living your life exactly like an atheist would) does not constitute an intellectually superior position.

>Christianity is a Jewish trick
>jews killed Jesus and retroactively condemned their entire race and future generations to hell
>a Jewish trick.
I really don't understand why we still haven't exterminated all the Jews and claimed Jerusalem for the real followers of god.

The real followers of god are working as hard as they can to reclaim Jerusalum, but the Israelis and the Americans that fund them keep bombing them :^)

>Not seeing Case for Christ

What's wrong with having faith in science but simultaneously admitting that, if scientific discovery does not have a concrete understanding to the origins of the universe, the notion of a creator is equally as likely as chance and evolution? I cannot rule out the existence of a creator but picking a god from the 3000+ in recorded history and blindly putting all of my faith in it is just as naive and moronic as atheism.

he fucked it up. burden of proof is on the one making a POSITIVE affirmation of something's existence. 'god exists' prove it

phys.org/news/2016-05-space-three-dimensional.html

We exist because the universe with it laws exist and we have came to be like we are due to the laws in place.
Add a dimension or two, or change a law slightly and life as we know and imagine can not exist.

This is in support of your claim number 2

>Christianity is the oldest and ultimate Jewish trick ever pulled on the white man.
This is obviously true but good luck getting the people on here who make their christian beliefs their entire identity to accept it. Nobody wants to admit they got kiked hard

Because you're holding the god/no god dichotomy to different epistemological standards than you would for other issues.

It sounds like you are not a Christian or atheist or even an agnostic but some sort of spiritualist or deist. The fact that you can't admit that and think agnosticism is a better position than atheism (no evidence no belief), is laughable.

>christfags actually think this is an argument
This is one of the stupidest things I have ever read.

no shit....

but for the sake of argument, say there is a god... god must be all powerful.

a child is diagnosed with osteosarcoma, develops facial deformity age 4, cant go out side , except at night with its parents, due to the reactions of the other children.

dies age 6 in excruciating pain.

if there is a god, fuck him, he can burn in hell, my morality is superior to gods

But both ends of the spectrum require faith and not knowledge since none exists. Asking someone to pick one and only one, ignoring the grey area in between is laughable.
If you watched a debate on global warming between a hippy and an oil barron, none of whom has read a single scientific paper and solely argues on personal interest and belief, could you honestly pick a side blindly and further enforce that opinion on others?

That's just as retarded as using Schindlers List as a reference for the inner workings of National Socialism.

That's true t b h

why wouldn't i be agnostic about them?

The point is that so long as something is not explicitly proven or unproven, belief is a valid form of thought. When faith contradicts truth, then you can say beliefs are invalid.

Same goes for unicorns and dragons m8. No smoke without fire, safest to be a dragonostic, any other position is inferior.

So what about all the catholics who believe when they take communion that the bread is actually literally the flesh of a man from 2000 years ago

what if i told you truth is another kind of belief, a belief in the reproducibility of your experiment, the consistency of your experiences and the continuity of your mind?


what if i told you belief is all there is, and if you believe the impossible you can learn how to make it possible. what if i told you that this type of belief has consequences which often backfire in chaotic ways.

There isn't a single catholic who thinks that bread is literal human flesh.

That's dumb.
People have not dedicated their entire lives living certain principles and morals based on dragons. Never, in the history of humanity, have people waged wars on one another to spread their particular brand of dragon philosophy. There is also not 3000+ different available dragon gods.
I could understand your argument if there was only the one god in human history but there wasn't. It is not just a question of existence or not existing, it is also a question of which one.

the christian thread on Sup Forums would disagree. I've asked them.

>christcucks BTFO by silverware

Then it wouldn't be truth. Truth, by definition, is absolute.

Ayyy lmao, faggots without proofs.

wtf did you say to me you little bitch? i'll have you know jesus was a real life gingerbread man and he was baked for our sins.

>no one can disprove god

wtf i love being a brainlet now

M8, you are so baked right now, go get stoned.

But Saving Christmas is funnier.

The movie is an embarrassment to theism. I may be atheist but Christians deserve better representation then what rich Evangelicals can offer.

The only good thing I can say about it is that it isn't God's Not Dead 2. They really think that we banned mentioning Jesus in public schools instead of just saying that the state has no business in conducting religious services to kids.

Also that evil ACLU is why schools have to accommodate Christians for that rally round the flag thing they do once a year.

Speak your thesis then, because you'd become the most influential Christian philosopher second only to Christ himself then.

That doesn't even make any sense and it's just a silly appeal to popularity.

Atheism isn't proving God doesn't exist, that too is impossible.

Christianity isn't a Jewish trick but it certainly became one.

American Protestants are the worst of them. Evangelicals are litterally proud goyim slaves to Zionists. The Catholic church has been compromised for centuries but is now becoming more than a pedophile cult and is now pushing for the death of Western Civilization. Mormons are just a meme residu of what was basically a Steampunk Waco Sex Cult without the polygamy anymore. Orthodox is based but in a way the Drunk Uncle who doesn't molest kids but he still needs to get his shit together.

There is a hypothetical ideal Christian and it is arguably Old Lutheranism and a dash of Russian Orthodoxy.

Because saying that two things have an equal probability means you need to have some sort of math to prove that.

You could go to sleep and you will either wake up or die in your sleep that doesn't mean it's a 50% chance you're going to die tonight.

And saying that evolution is somehow opposed to creationism the something reserved for dumb American protestantism thst believes retarded ass shit like the Young Earth.

Classic "if there's a God I'm morally superior to him because suffering". Pickup a theology book or at least google "the problem with pain". There's tons written on it.

but there is nothing absolute in our universe because at it's smallest scale the constituent parts are uncertain (in position) and all systems we observe or construct are incomplete.

the physical world is more like a distribution of things, which a fixed position only when it is required, like for an observation. seems like the forces are just part of an invisible and persistent field, so as long as something is INSIDE the universe it's inside these fields (might just be one field) so their exact position does not need to be absolute to interact with it.

I mean this is modern science, we have to go back to the 19th century and reject all of Einstein and Quantum shit, then we have problems describing light all over again, the photoelectric effect, the dual slit experiment, wave particle duality. it means physics has been wrong for 100 years and computers don't work quite how we think they do.

that's pretty unlikely desu.

no because its a logical fallacy. he can't disprove allah or buddha either so therefore he has to admit they exist too

"No one can disprove something that doesn't exist". Well he is right, when something doesn't exist, there will not be any sort of evidence for its existence because, wow! have you guessed it? It doesn't fucking exist.

OP is a massive faggot

evidence of absence is not absence of evidence

deathandtaxesmag.com/226596/holy-crap-i-watched-gods-not-dead-so-you-dont-have-to/

so you might be a cocksucker?

Dragons aren't gods, they are beasts. You have a god fixation or something?

>different cultures separated by distance and time have independently developed dragon concepts
>dragons are extremely implausible based on logic and modern interpretation of natural laws
>it's technically impossible to prove the nonexistence of something.

>:. Dragonosticism is intellectually superior to other positions.

Watch this user. Ravi zacharias

youtu.be/o5qJPZySo7A

No, the claim is "There is a god".

Seems really cringey unfortunately

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

The real paradox an all-powerful yet all benevolent God is the existence of Christ.

Why would God send his son who was also himself to be the sacrificial lamb of the law that he created so that the law that he made would no longer be implemented so that instead it would just be Faith Of God that would get you to heaven when you could have just from day fucking one made the requirement is just believing in God and asking forgiveness.

He waited like 4000 fucking years at minimum to get off his ass and change what was apparently a flawed doctrine that he created.

And how exactly is it saving us when he holds the keys to the very existence of Heaven and Hell. Failure to abuse someone is not rescuing them from abuse.

Look the Bible's full of weird dumb shit but at least the secular ethics of Christ could only really be critiqued for being too much of a pushover, whereas with many other religions Islam in particular I can only be fairly described as a Cult of War.

There's no point leaf. The christfags who come on Sup Forums won't budge whatsoever and sadly it attracts retarded people. I know and seen eloquent people being able to defend their religion but it seems we get the lowest common denominator here. Just go to the frequent christfag threads and see just how terrible they are.

i love how ignorant people are of judaism. they've kept their own beliefs so well hidden it doesn't even come up in discussion.

>Because saying that two things have an equal probability means you need to have some sort of math to prove that.
Agreed but I never said they were equal in probability. Existence/absence of a creator cannot be proven either way which means some form of probability exists. Until one can disprove the other it is acceptable to be within the grey area in various degrees of belief/disbelief.
I'm simplying arguing that acknowledging the possibility of a creator but not actively chosing one is not a coward position, it is simply a skeptic one.

>You have a god fixation or something?
OP's picture, which we are discussing, specifically talks about a god, you fucking mong. This is why we are discussing it in such a way. How would you rather discuss it? I'm simply trying to argue, in the context of the original topic, that if no scientific info can prove a statement in one way or another to be true, yet many people sit at both extremes of the spectrum of knowledge claiming they know the definitive answer to a yet unresolved question, sitting in the middle and being skeptical of arguements is not the coward's way out.

>God's Not Dead

He is surely alive!

> living as a theist is objectively better in every way

>Don't fap, don't have too much fun, don't drink, be a miserable little cunt because everything that's fun is degenerate. Also hate yourself because you're human and thus flawed

lols

this was the most cringe inducing movie I have ever seen

one of the shittiest movies made

a disservice to christianity

> 2; The universe was not designed but is one of an infinite number of universes and we just happen to be in a good one.

Well, be definition, we can't be in a bad one because bad ones can't support life

because Gods were aliens, and Jews exaggerated about their power. You don't need to be supernatural or magical to fly in the sky or create life, you just need advanced technology and science.

you shouldn't conflate how someone behaves with what they believe, remember people tend to think they are right even when they are wrong. the christians could be well meaning by assholes because Christianity was primarily used as a tool to create a one world religion which can be controlled by God's chosen people.

>Sup Forums movie
>It's cristhian shit

I hope you are trolling, if not, you are the biggest retard i've found in pol.

>t. islamic spain

>hating the official religion of your forsaken island
I remember when I was 14 and wanted to stay home to play video games instead

>what is burden of proof

Always the exact same story with religious cucks

"Risen" is a much better recent movie

and it doesn't seem in any way to be made by retarded film school students

Replace the word god in OP's image with any other fictional creation in the history of the world.

Which fictional creation did you replace it with, user?

Are you suddenly more inclined to believe that the fictional creation is real? Because you can't disprove it?

Nah, me either.

Sorry, christfags, your god is fake.

>believing the Sup Forums is a Christian board meme

STOP BEING A CHRISTKEK

Fuck off with your chitzy feelgood evangelical shit. Watch some Fellini or Bergman if you want true Christkino.

>always has been. always will be
>always

Before the universe existed, Sup Forums was a christian board.

When the universe has entropied into nothing but lifeless, background radiation, Sup Forums will be a christian board.

I replaced it with my waifu Renge

>Are you suddenly more inclined to believe that the fictional creation is real?
Yes

I don't have to defend a faith against the unbelievers

But religious people believe in a particular God, so why are they trying to pretend that God existing suddenly validates their particular set of practices and beliefs?

>"I claim that X is real"
>"Until you show proof X is real, I do not believe X is real"
>"You cannot show me proof that X isn't not real, therefore I am correct"
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.