Hey Capitalists, would you agree that Communism has a point for poor workers in 3rd world countries who do sweat shops?

Hey Capitalists, would you agree that Communism has a point for poor workers in 3rd world countries who do sweat shops?

They can't afford to even buy what they make. How and when does capitalism save them?

That's a big girl

...for you

I work in a Boeing factory, but I can't afford an airliner. How is this just?

Are you just joking or are you so stupid you make faulty comparisons?

That's one huge bitch!

hey communist would you agree that we should preserve the white race?

oh no, then fuck off

4 ewe

when has communism ever worked for said people?

go on ill wait for a response that doesn't include countless million deaths

I'm not a communist. I'm a capitalist but was reading the Manifesto and they mentioned this.

I thought of how a lot of big companies use cheap 3rd world labor to make common products that their own laborers can't afford since they export it to people who do.

How does that get fixed?

>People are suffering!
>Let's install Communism to help them!
If you care that much why don't you go help them yourself? And not by electing a Communist government or politician I mean YOU PERSONALLY.

Also spoiler alert: All attempts at implementing Communism have failed horrendously because Communism is literally not achievable by it's own standards

No. If they don't like the sweatshops, they can go back to scratching a living out of the dirt by farming. The fact 3rd world farmers line up in droves to work in sweat shops ought to tell you something.

TLDR: sweatshops > dirt farming

No this guy is literally 4'9

It doesn't, industrialization is never pretty. It wasn't pretty in America, it wasn't pretty in Korea or Japan, and it definitely wasn't pretty in the USSR or China. I like the idea of unions and organizing, but not Communism.

answer my question first and then I will answer yours cuckess

yeah you should preserve yourselves.

Consider manning up, learning charisma, dressing well, learning multiple talents, and working out.

At that point it shouldn't be a problem for you to have lots of kids. Most Sup Forumsacks are too lazy though.

Capitalism raises all boats if those countries weren't commies they probably would do better. And it's your job to be able to afford the shit you want not other people.

Unions, promoting education, natural real wage increases as the country goes through the regular demographic transition. There is a legitimate criticism in what you said, but that is more of a criticism of globalism (which promotes this system), and Communism would not be the answer.

communism only makes sense in developed, civilized countries with highly industrious and cultured people.

that's why slavs, chinks, americans, etc. could never have functioning communist societies. for those savage peoples capitalism is great as it weeds out the weak from the strong and permits only the fittest parts of the population to rise to the top.

I genuinely believe communism could work in parts of Switzerland, Germany and Scandinavia. everywhere else it would quickly devolve into a totalitarian tyranny as witnessed in Soviet Union, North Korea, Cambodia, Yugoslavia, Eastern Germany, Venezuela and dare I say, entire Muslim world

>your question

it get's fixed when either the subhuman governments make laws against it or when we invent robots to make the products.

you should not call anyone lazy.

>unionize your cheap sweat shop
>they leave for a different province who is eager to work for more regular pay because all they have are farms

>promote education
>the people there get better jobs
>the company then moves to an area of stupid people again to have them work for low wages (there is no shortage)

>natural wage increases

Ok, so can you fill me in on how America transitioned from the gilded age to having companies not treat people like cattle?

That's a real question as I don't know

Communism can't work anywhere.

Even Europe doesn't do a good job with socialism.

I hate this meme that magically white people make the dumbest ideologies work.

it's sweatshops or subsistence farming for them. It's amazing how communism can actually provide a 3d alternative that's worse than both those things.

i dont give a shit about third world countries. i care more when france gets TRUCKED a 1 or 2 people die than when millions die in shitholistan

stupid argument. shipyard welders do pretty well yet cannot afford the yachts they may build. think before you post. then again what can be expected from a gommie

Are you a brainlet?

shipyard welding is different from sweat shop work which is incredibly basic to the point where any unskilled pleb can do it, hence why it's a sweat shop.

Learn to stay on topic.

This is a discussion about a question I have with capitalism as a concept.

Unions worked due to the difficulty of relocation, not only were there higher tariffs back in ye olden times, but there were higher transportation costs as well. It made it more cost effective to eat the loss from just paying your workers a bit more. Promoting education is an investment in human capital. Imagine this, one worker is now able to produce as much as three were able to at a time but only demands the wage of two. The worker saw a doubling of his own wage, whereas the company actually saw an increase in profits. Natural wage increases as a country moves towards a post-industrial society. America transitioned thanks to war in Europe, better educated and organized workers, and a few other things.

>The fact 3rd world farmers line up in droves to work in sweat shops ought to tell you something.
Globalism destroys national industry, makes it uncompetitive and they buy everything for a cheap price

Are they working there of their own free will (nobody's forcing them)?

If yes, than who the fuck gives you the right to tell them what to do? They are doing that job, because it's the best one they can find.

If not, it's not capitalism, because capitalism is voluntary trade.

>Natural wage increases as a country moves towards a post-industrial society.
but couldn't you argue that a post-industrial society can only exist when they export their industry to cheap labor in poor countries?

Through time. The fact that they can work in a sweatshop rather than be rice farmers earning one tenth what they could earn in a factory is why capitalism helps them. You're making a bad comparison. You should compare them with capitalism (job in a factory) vs pre-capitalism (feudal farmers) not compare with something else. The fact that they are producing and getting more economic value will accumulate over time to raise their standards of living.

That is a good point, thanks

Perhaps it is better to think of this in stages of development

>poor farmers get a job and increase their worth
>can apply that worth to their next of kin
>next of kin can start investing in their own businesses with the aid of potential loans or simply pooling their capital

No, you only need productivity. We have much cheaper cars now because of better technology and techniques to manufacture them, not because we have a new pool of labor to exploit.

North Korea emerged as the 2nd most densely industrialized country in Asia after WW2 and was intensely nationalistic from years of Japanese occupation. East Germany may have been a bombed out shithole, but it was still pretty densely industrialized with a relatively well educated workforce. Venezuela sits atop the largest reserve of oil in the world. At the moment Scandinavia is seeing the private sector crack under the pressure of the ever growing public sector.

Automation and increases in the average productivity. Contrary to popular belief, we actually have car factories; however, automation combined with high education has made it so that dozens of highly paid workers are able to produce just as much as hundreds of low wage workers for an even smaller price. Red tape and the short term incentives of Globalization has put a stop to this.

If Trump stops TPP we'll have to pay $2,000 for an iPhone. I don't care how many Chinese children jump from the roof because of poor working conditions, I need that money to buy unicorn lattes >:(

I hope you idiots are happy. Why can't the uneducated rural poor vote in their own interest for once?

Most sweat shop workers earn a better living than they would make doing anything else. I am not going to defend the working conditions, but in terms of annual income they are making more than if the sweatshop did not exist. The fact they cannot afford the products they produce are irrelevant. You are asking how capitalism solves a problem that does not exist. Do you really think those people will be better off under communism? Do you know how communism has played out every single time it has been tried? Let me guess, that wasn't real communism and if we tried real communism it will work this time.

No, because communism just keeps them poor forever. Capitalism raises their living standards like it did for China.

>however, automation combined with high education has made it so that dozens of highly paid workers are able to produce just as much as hundreds of low wage workers for an even smaller price. Red tape and the short term incentives of Globalization has put a stop to this.

That makes sense

So basically an educated man can do more labor and multi-task, increasing productivity. Meanwhile companies pcompete to still cut costs and through that buy new tech to automate and advance production.

No. That's why I'm a capitalist you cuck.

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Mosley once remarked that it is no wonder that third world countries turn to communism after they were grinded into poverty by the elite. Perhaps you should attack the problem at it's source.

Exactly, investment in human capital results in a better society while at the same time being profitable for companies. The only problem is in America, we regulate businesses much more harshly than China ever will and the short term gains of relocating makes companies prefer to build factories in China.

You can roughly figure her height from the phone, she's not large, he's small.

They've got a job due to capitalism

They don't pay the inflated prices that the civilised world pays for products

History tells us that communism fails each and every time, usually with mass death, so they're better off in the long term with a gradual increase in their standard of living which is happening the world over

When they ditch communism

Capitalism has raised more people out of poverty around the world than any other economic system to ever exist

FACT

Communism has caused the mass starvation and genocide of more people around the world than any other political ideology

FACT

As a poor person I would kindly ask you to keep your upper middle class fantasies of revolution out of my life please.

Exactly, what Marxists often do is compare advanced free markets vs early free markets. Also communism wouldn't help at all, not having a free market would stagnate innovation and the poor manufacturers would stay poor manufacturers.

Also automation doesn't lead to less jobs before anyone makes that claim, it only leads to increased productivity. Some people say automation will take people's job so we need communism/UBI to redistribute the wealth created by automation but that's untrue, automation will free labor to new jobs, just as the agricultural revolution freed labor for the industrial revolution to happen. Also large scale economic revolutions happen over the span of a century, not in a small enough time span to leave everyone jobless in a few years. Research often advances fast so we always hear of this new robot or this new AI that will automate such and such but it'll take a long time before those technologies are market ready and an even longer time before they are widespread.

Capitalism doesn't save anyone. They have to use violence to kill Communists to protect Capitalism.

Does she dates him? He must be one lucky dude if so.

She's a big girl.. for him

That's why we need eugenics.

>They can't afford to even buy what they make.

When has that been the standard ever?

>durr does construction on a mansion but only does a small section
>WHY CAN"T ALL THE WORKERS AFFORD DIS MANSION!@!??!!
>helps build a yacht
>OMG WHY CAN'T I AFFORD DIS YACHT
>helps build lamborgini
>OMG WHY CAN'T I AFFORD DIS LAMBO

It does tend to raise the minimum intelligence necessary to be employable. That's why eugenics must be coupled with automation.

The guy is just a subhuman manlet, the woman is average sized.

>lanket hapa jealous because no one finds him attractive
SAD

Even the Germans couldn't make the GDR work.

No, sweatshops are the 3rd world industrial revolution and without a shit govt the countries would grow into 1st world economies, but niggardly socialist fucks are elected based on poor understanding of economics which ruins their economy.

It's common knowledge now that the move towards Capitalism helped China lift something like 500 million people out of poverty.

They went from starving in rice fields to being able to feed & educate their children. The educated children now perform even better economically & get to go to places like Shenzen the economic free zone credited with a large portion of China's GDP growth.

How the fuck do you think we went from the conditions of the industrial revolution to what we have now? Government intervention? Communism? No it was people being free in to interact with eachother in the market place to improve their positions for mutual benefit.

If anything it's the lack of freedom & Capitalims that is destroying Africa as it's the most regulated & unfree continent on the planet.

> seth efrican

So many of you guys are closing up shop & fleeing here it's a real tragedy to here the stories of how people are treated over there.

Bastiat couldn't be more right:

> It is in the nature of men to rise against the injustice of which they are the victims. When, therefore, plunder is organized by law, for the profit of those who perpetrate it, all the plundered classes tend, either by peaceful or revolutionary means, to enter in some way into the manufacturing of laws. These classes, according to the degree of enlightenment at which they have arrived, may propose to themselves two very different ends, when they thus attempt the attainment of their political rights; either they may wish to put an end to lawful plunder, or they may
desire to take part in it. Woe to the nation where this latter thought prevails amongst the masses, at the moment when they, in their turn, seize upon the legislative power!

Well, how are we doing on those development goals? most of the progress there was done under capitalism.