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Should've held the line instead of invading, built more planes and bomb everyone's production factories.

yes. when he attacked poland he crossed the line from nationalism into imperialism and lost all legitimacy.

World would be definitely better place if he finished the whole jew thing.

Irrelevant.
They would've invaded Germany anyway.

>what is the weimar republic
This really needs to be brought to a head in public discourse so people can understand why NS is being brought back to the main stream

Danzig is rightful german clay.

This, Churchill said that germany will go to war if they want it or not.
Same with Japan, the US made an embargo against them to force them to attack before they run out of fuel.

The polish government was slaughtering germans in poland. They had already killed 50000 before Hitler retaliated. Hitler had a choice of either invading Poland or seeing all the Germans there killed.

Well, to be fair. He invaded poland because there was a lot of germans who were stuck in the former Prussian area of poland.

And the slav treated those germans like shit. + The poles refused to let the germans out of poland.

>50000
I think you mean 6000000

why he annexed Czechia after sudetenland, tho?

To get rid of joose and commies probably.

Hitler did fuck up at some points after all.

czechia after loss of sudetenland had pretty much nazi government which was very much influenced fron Berlin. It was pure landgrab

Churchill wasnt PM, Churchill wasnt even in Cabinet.

As Sven said, shouldve waited. Tried to prod the Soviets into invading baltics/Poland to frame them as aggressor and turn the Allies agaisnt them or keep them neutral at least.

No EU, so yes

a lot of his foreign policy against eastern European states came out of fear of the Stalinist invasion of Europe that was being planned.

Consolidating power?
You were pretty good industrial power.

Look everybody knew that war was coming.
Why did he Anschluss Austria?
I think for the same reason

>Every day I am reminded of Prussian genocide

Yes. Contrary to popular belief even, Stalin's Russia wasn't Jewish - he killed all the Jews in the Great Purge.

There was no Jewish threat from the Soviet Union, there was a minor Jewish threat from England, but other than that, Europe was free. Only America was the country under ACTUAL Jewish control.

So why did WW2 start? Because Germany HATES other Europeans. And Europe post-WW1 was a powder keg, the borders were drawn randomly, resulting in minorities and enclaves everywhere, and it took just a small spark of German hatred to blow it all up. Don't believe me? Did you know that both Yugoslavia and Greece were neutral? But they get attacked all the same.

If you aren't an ethnic German, be happy Germany lost WW2.

Yes I undestand he wanted to steal more clay and make himself stronger. But Sup Forumsaks shouldnt then try to make it in some good act, perpetrating the myth that Adolf was good boi dundu nuffin

>Did you know that both Yugoslavia and Greece were neutral? But they get attacked all the same.
except both were Italy's desires for Imperialism (not Germanys) nice try tho

anschluss wasn't about the war it was about his belief of a united German people that he had since he was a child growing up in Austria-Hungary (a nation he despised)

He made a deal to split Poland and give Baltics to Soviets (Molotov-Ribentrov pact)

Clearly Hitler was buying off Soviets to avoid 2 front war.

Soviets were reforming their army and would've eventually had a war with Germans.
It's similar, to how Germans were eager for WW1 in 1914 as by their estimates, Russians would've industrialized a lot by 1920 and become almost impossible to defeat (coupled with France).

Time was not on Germanys side. That's why they acted.

>The polish government was slaughtering germans in poland.
So he starts a war in which several million germans are killed, the country split in 2 and most of its cities destroyed.

In hindsight should have just let those few germans go

This German has got it right.

Though I will disagree on one point. Stalin's Russia wasn't exactly Jew free, but he killed much of them, who opposed him and were pro-World Revolution in Great Purge

World would also be a better place if he had finished the whole Poland thing

I don't know much about WW1, but Germany only joined the war as an ally to Austria? And Austria went to war because their heir was assassinated? I thought it was Serbia that is to blame for WW1

Honestly, it wouldn't matter a lot.
Soviets were on the roll with hyper industrialisation and militarisation.
If Stalin finished Great Purge and fully recovered from it before WW2 it would have been all ogre.

By 1945 Soviets would have rolled over entire europe even fighting American and Brits.
Just imagine if Soviets were unharmed and fully ready for war? It would have been a massacre.

Knowing how much british cared about Poland when Soviets started knocking from the east, i suppose the world western jewry would oppose any early intervention before Soviets finished eating up all of east europe.

He did it to appease Hitler so that Molotov-Ribbentrop pact would last longer.

stalin didn't get around to killing the jews. it was on the cards though. Read the gulag archipelago for more info. I believe it was related to the 'doctors case'

>Hitler dindu-nuffin
Yeah I don't like it either.
He was not some moral actor. He was in charge of a nation and did things that were benefitial to that nation.

It's only the anglo-jewish narrative, that forces people to look for good guys in war.

Before the war, he was a good guy. But he was placed in the events and acted as he saw fit.

As someone from small nation, I wish natsoc would accomodate that more though. Next time it must be racial, instead of national.

No, he had to take Danzig.

Yes, he would have saved germany and at the same time could have supported nationalists in other countries like the netherlands, greece and italy

Imagine a situation where Indonesia attacks the New Zealand rulers, New Zealand goes to war, Australia allies with them and declares war also, Australia and New Zealand lose the war and Australia is blamed while Western Australia is taken by the Indonesians. 20 years later all the Australians living in WA are being killed by Indonesians. Maybe you would be like, nah let them die.

that would have been a very interesting scenario. without the war, fascism would have grown stronger all over the world as an ideology. a lost oppurtunity, but we are not getting a second chance. the far right is growing planetwide. india, pakistan,europe, US, china, turkey to name but a few. we will live to see the endseig yet

Austria went to war with Serbia because Franz Ferdinand was assassinated by a Serbian nationalist.

*but we are getting a second chance

>If Stalin finished Great Purge and fully recovered from it before WW2 it would have been all ogre

Doubt so. The focus on Siberia and Ural would have higher priority + The whole "world revolution" plan was retarded at it's core, not to say that Ruskies, basically, had a role of bread basket in there.

Also one of the reasons for hyper industrialization in the first place was preparation for possible war with Europe (though at that time, It was expected of Poles to stir up shit and try to take Ukrainian territory)

That being said, if the "Trotsky" side would kill the shit out of Stalin's side of Party, now that would be total pizdets.

NSB beste partei
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>Stalin's Russia wasn't Jewish
lurk moar, kike
>There was no Jewish threat from the Soviet Union
jews CREATED the Soviet Union
>If you aren't an ethnic German, be happy Germany lost WW2.
sure thing, Schlomo

Good song
Are you dutch?
Also dutch word for party is partij, or back then party but read as part-ij

Serbia is to blame for what?
A war between Austria and them, or WW1?

WW1 causes are much more important, than WW2, cause it's just continuation of WW1.

You have to answer question, why countries were willing to go to war.

There were too many tensions. First of all diplomatically Germans fucked up by distancing from Russians.

Then you must add, that after Unification, Germany was the most important country in Europe - best army, highly industrialized, high population, highly innovative in science and engineering (for instance basically Industrial Chemistry was invented by Germans)
In the end Germans were rising and they didn't have good defensible borders. They could expand and be invaded through them, that's why they were willing for war.

The rest of Europe didn't like that Germans were rising and French especially held grudge for Elsas - Lorraine.

The most important country in the outbreak were Brittish. They had no territorial disputes with Germans. They were not threatened by them physically, because of Royal Navy. Except Germans were building navy and there was potential (potential) that some day Germans could possibly, maybe threaten them.
And if you know anything the Anglos were always meddling in the Continental affairs (like Napoleon).
So answer me, why Anglos went to war with Germans? Were they scared, or jealous or both?

The outcome is that by the end of 31 years war, the Brittish Empire was sacrificed to prevent Germans from rising. (Oh and destroyed continent and global supremacy of Europeans over the world).

litteraly nazi propaganda. Nazi's had a great propaganda machine, propaganda is propaganda however. So you believe the Poles had killed already 50.000 gorillion Germans while Germany was next door with an enormous army and industrial capacity and the ethnic Germans still remained in Poland so Germany had to save them?

LULLZ

I'm actually afrikaner, but naturally my ancestry is Dutch. South Africa is hard to defend at this point, it's going down the drain, so I identify more with the Netherlands

Jesus Christ

Stalin had always an eye for europe tbhq.
He despised Poland to the last after defeats in 1920's and giant loss in Warsaw. He almost provoked another war with them in 1933.
He was sending ultimatums to Romania, Finland and even out Balticsand was threatening the even before the WW2 started.(Just look up what Ulmanis foreign policy was)
He was sending giant support to communist parties in europe especially in France, he was supporting Spanish commies in Civil war etc.

The idea that "Revolution in one country" was peaceful for neighbors is absurd. The "one county policy" was preparation for Soviet Union to get it ready for the future conflicts.

before you come home know that it sucks here. High taxes, masses of niggers and muslims around the economic hubs, shitty weather and sparse overdeveloped land.

Can't blame you from fleeing genocide.

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Be proud! My family is age old Frisian/Greek so not really Dutch, but I have respect for the Dutch

Brother kindly and politely shut the fuck up. I have to go to uni surrounded by shitskins and niggers because he lost.

Better Germany than Hungary.

Better dead then red.

Germans (Carol) killed Codreanu you fucking cuck. Kill yourself.

by "he" you mean ((they))), right?

>Read the gulag archipelago

Dude, had to burst your bubble, but author of this book is VERY far, from what he paints himself as.

I'd more recommend reading Shalamov, though even he, as well, has very artistic shit, like "the last fight of Mayor Pugachev".

You'd never have been born if he won, the Czech people would be exterminated and replaced by Germans you fucking idiot.

Yeah, I have heard that Rotterdam, Amsterdam, and Den Haag are pretty terribly screwed with immigrants. Do you think it's still possible to turn around, or was Geert your last hope?

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This, very few of us would be born, my grandmother was one of those fit to germanization

Yes.

The jewish purge would have been swept under the rug by the powers that be, and Germany would have glowed as a utopian light in the midst of Europe.

The jews of the future would have no holocaust to guilt the world over so their power would be less.

Time couldve been on Germany's side had Hitler been a better diplomat. The SM Pact was only necessary because he decided to invade France first. What he should have done was avoid a two front war by avoiding a war on the West entirely. You must remember the west was licking Hitlers boots before until his turn of face with the Munich Pact, had he focused on pivoting the west into accepting a war agaisnt communism instead grabbing rightful clay the entire two front war wouldve been out of the question.

Also the Soviet progress with their 'reformations' were entirely laughable. They failed to invade Finland, they were completely overrun in Barbarossa, Stalin didnt even believe Hitler had invaded until the day after. The Soviets were incompetent buffoons and wouldve continued being so well into 1941-1942.

More so the USSR wouldve been nowhere near the Germans had Hitler focused more on industrialization and militarization.

His Blitzkrieg across France coulve been one across the USSR.

t. Officer of Soviet Army who (((didn't know))) that all documentation was checked by special services.

But yeah, there was no shred of human remorse when he fruitfully wrote about how he, his friend, wife, and some random guy made an "antisoviet party".

He had no remorse afterwards - working for the GuLAG's administration and snitching on others.

He had no remorse even after - bitching about any people that could be his competition, e.g. Shalamov, who were less critical of Soviets and less forgiving - of the people contained in GuLAGs. Mainly, because he was not working for administration, but was sitting together with actual criminals, so he had less illusions.

Time couldve been on Germany's side had Hitler been a better diplomat. The SM Pact was only necessary because he decided to invade France first. What he should have done was avoid a two front war by avoiding a war on the West entirely. You must remember the west was licking Hitlers boots before until his turn of face with the Munich Pact, had he focused on pivoting the west into accepting a war agaisnt communism instead grabbing rightful clay the entire two front war wouldve been out of the question.

Also the Soviet progress with their 'reformations' were entirely laughable. They failed to invade Finland, they were completely overrun in Barbarossa, Stalin didnt even believe Hitler had invaded until the day after. The Soviets were incompetent buffoons and wouldve continued being so well into 1941-1942.

More so the USSR wouldve been nowhere near the Germans had Hitler focused more on industrialization and militarization.

His Blitzkrieg across France coulve been one across the USSR.

You must also remember that Stalin offered to invade Germany jointly with Allies in 1938 during Sudetenland crisis (or earlier I can't remember).

There is no good scenario for Germany to wait and Indstrialize and Militarise further. Especially when you factor in their lack of resources, especially Oil.
Germans managed to militarise enough to defeat the French and Brittish BEF. After that they had to expect to invade Soviets as soon as ready.


The way soviets absolutely crushed Germans since 1942, shows that German fears of Soviet growth of power were not unfounded. Germans were better prepared, higher morale and better experience. And the reasons Soviets didn't fall was their size, determination and Allied Convoys. Clearly Soviets had real potential.

Assuming that czechs/slovaks would be exterminated (something I still doubt), would it ACTUALLY be worse than whats happening now? A slow poison of multiculturalism and social disenchantment progressively destroying every nation in Europe?

Granted it's not that strong east of Germany but thats where the world is going and we can't outrun it.

because its german?

>Churchill

He wasn't even in the picture yet. Besides, a British war of aggression on Germany would have propelled Oswald Mosley's peace platform to new heights, quite possibly winning him the general elections.

Bolsheviks = Communist Party before purge

You gotta know what the words means first. It's not interchangeable with "communist".

You knew that Solzhenytsyn wrote all his books from his fantasies and !etters of other people?
Read Shalamov at least

If course there was, that no invasion happened shows the British and French weren't allies with communism and the entente of 1914 was nonexistent. Whether convincing the allies to join hands in war (or look the other way) would have been possible is highly speculative, but wouldve been the best option and certainly shouldve been Hitlers course of action.

After 1942 in is irrelevant to the discussion, the Soviets were galvinished by Hitlers invasion, induced into Total War out of necessity to survive. Hitler could only defeat Russia with a swift stroke with maximum force. Their early weakness shows that during the peaceful period Soviet preparations were ill made, while German preparations were efficient and successful. Streching this period of Peace to make preparations would have given Hitler a much greater chance.

Shalamov though had very... liberal description of some events, for example, "Last fight of Mayor Pugachev".

That being said, he was more truthful than the Snitchzhenitsyn.

Offer was made to the Czechoslovakia, IIRC, because they had an agreement on that, but Benesh, showing an exceptional sign of retardation, relied on the help of eternal Anglo and allies, telling Stalin to BTFO.

Allies, in return, told him, basically, to spread his buttcheeks and take it for the team.

Fuck off Russians. You are so brainwashed it's pathetic.

1942 situation is extremely relevant.

Soviets failed the first Finnish invasion, then they crushed them.

So you're telling me, being invaded by Germany and having one of your best lands taken and millions of soldiers killed or captured made them stronger?
Germans could've possibly finished Soviets, but they faffed about and winter came and more importantly Zhukov with Siberians did.


In 1941 Germany was in peak condition, fresh off the victories in the west, with new allies, the Luftwaffe existed, etc.

I remember this line from Churchills memoirs - you need 3 years for war industry to begin to work (1st year for plans and prototyping, 2nd for initial production and 3rd year for mass production and full benefits). According to him Germany began war industry in 1938, so by 1941 they were at peak. Makes complete sense.
Again there was nothing Hitler, could've done to improve Germany's fighting capability by waiting any more years, only to see Soviets rise even more.

And With 1938 borders, Germany cannot invade Soviet Union,if he say waited, so invading Poland to prepare for war with Soviet Union is the correct choice.

no, different and slowly getting it why national socialism is better while watching on tv a swastika flag being planted on the moon.

>the Czechs wouldn't think so
but the problem is, even if he had wanted, HE COULDN'T

Hitler made a huge debt in bilions of marks even PRIOR to the war because he was sending workers for vacation to norway and other utter expensive bs. When the borrowing of money for the state started to be problematic, he created "Mefo" bills of a ficitonal goverment-owned factory to basically create a new goverment bonds - that only caused the debt to increase ofc. Eventually, the situation was so bad that the chief of finance department was afraid of (hyper)inflation. So he was kicked and subtituted by Göring, and it germany was switched to war industry - hoping to steal the sources elsewhere to pay for all of this bullshit. There was no "economic miracle" prior to the war, just (hidden) debts. So war was INEVITABLE. With it, nazi germany would economically collapsed soon.
>"not socialist"