What is the difference between fascism and nazism?

what is the difference between fascism and nazism?

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Nazism is a specific antisemitic movement while Fascism is just a rampant nationalist ideology grouping from the early 1900s.

NatSoc is socialism economically. Fascism is capitalism economically.

One's a gateway drug.

The other's a super heavy hit of adrenaline to your soul.

No. NatSoc is a mixed economy. Strasserism is socialism.

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No even with the privatisation in later stages the economy was still controlled by the state thus it's socialistic.

It's not bad though. I fully support this system.

National Socialism has more of a focus on race than old-school fascism.

For example, Mussolini was fine with the racial stock of Italy being mixed, with African blood in the south and European blood in the north.
While Hitler advocated racial purity of his nations population. That being said, National Socialism is a subgroup of Fascism.

Summary: National Socialism -> Fascism (Standard edition)

It's not to be confused with a planning economy though. It's just that the state makes sure that your services and products don't harm the racial health of your people.

Americans hate the state, because the state to them has always been the enemy -- and enemy of them and their people. NatSoc can only work in a highly ethnically homogenous society, where the common goal of a common people is much easier to determine.

Could I start my own business in a fascist country? What about a natsoc one? Which would take less of my taxes?

Actually the plan was to bleach Africa not to mix Italians and Africans and then relocate them in south Italy.

>Nazism is a specific antisemitic movement while Fascism is just a rampant nationalist ideology grouping from the early 1900s.

>being this retarded

I love how NO one on this political board fucking knows the answer. Look at all these replies. NO ONE can agree on one answer everyone thinks THEY have the right answer.

And as you can see this is how shit like antifa gets started. A bunch of idiots who think they all know how to define the big, scary, bad guy. Fucks sake. Grow up

>Could I start my own business in a fascist country? What about a natsoc one? Which would take less of my taxes?

yes and yes. least taxes in NatSoc.
private property was holy in NatSoc. Unlike commies, NatSoc pushed individual thinkers, businessmen, inventors etc. that could produce and invent new things so get things with high quality on the international market. Only gigantic corporations were state-driven.

>Sup Forums is a natsoc board
>nobody can separete fascism and natsoc

Can I ask why it's easier to determine the common goal of a people in a highly ethnically homogeneous society?

Not baiting, just playing devil's advocate.

Thanks for the answer. What about some of the seedier/alternative cultures that still lean to the right, like bikers, or metalheads, are they welcome in a natsoc or fascist society or do they get purged? I feel like they would have had more of a place under Mussolini than Hitler.

You can start your own business in both of them, but you have to focus on helping your nation. For example, pay more for your workers, even if it means that you have to cut off your own earnings to the same level. And your workers should be citizens of the nation.

Different accents.
Both shit that got rolled over by everyone else.

The answer to this question is overwhelmingly complex, and long. I am not sure it would fit in a post too, if it's extensive enough.
Contrary to popular belief, the two ideologies are fundamentally different. On the crust they look the same, but down below they're two entirely different galaxies

Under fucking rated. This.

Nazism is a hollywood Jewish distortion of National Socialism.
It's real name is National Socialism.
And the main diff. between the two is that Fascism puts the State first while NatSoc puts the people first.
Fascist believe that the State makes the people, but that is flawed.
NatSoc believe that the People make the State which is true.
But today both are basically the same thing, to save the White Race and White Nations.

The economy.
National Socialism is partially socialist. They had a mixed economy of socialist government programs alongside private business. It was an early version of what we today call Social Market Economy, which is the economic system you see in use today, mostly in Europe.
Fascism on the other hand is opposed to socialism and seeks to privatize everything that can (reasonably) be privatized. Italy under Mussolini was pure corporatism, but a better example might be the Roman Empire. The role of the government is confined to law enforcement, maintaining a military, and preventing moral degeneracy in the society. In the economy, this would be reflected by the government banning certain businesses or "field", like production of pornography. Otherwise, the taxes are kept at a minimum and government intervention into economy is avoided.

You can start a private business in both.

>least taxes in NatSoc.
How about no. How do you pay for socialism if not with higher tax rates?

If you respect the law and your fellow men, then you are free to do anything.

>Fascism is capitalism economically.
not at all true
Facism is characterized by its economic model of Dirigisme, which is a profoundly socialist economic system.

redpill side effects I guess

Sounds reasonable

And I'm guessing that the expectation is that profits should either go directly back into the business, be distributed evenly among all of the employees (with respect to the value of their individual positions) or given to charity?

you can be whatever you like in NatSoc as long as you don't behave like a drunken, homeless, asocial moron. You could be neet, intelligent, well spoken and well manered and still enjoy heavy music ( I do) and you can ride your bike with your buddies as much as you want.
Trust me, there is no alt. culture good enough that could replace the awesomness of your own, traditional, state culture. I was on a bike trip with a few friends of mine last summer. we camped in the forest and we made a huge fire, and we sang old german.folk songs in the moonlight, under the Oak trees. It was magnificant. That feeling of brotherood, friendship and bondness was spectacular. Try it.

Facism is an overarching ideological belief comprised of a few key characteristics. Nazism is national socialism, which just happened to also be facist.

FYI communism and modern liberalism is like 90% facist. Most people hold some level of facist belief.

National Socialism was based on biological racism, Facism wasn't.

>thinking nu Sup Forums knows the answers
>implying the actual natsoc posters give a fuck and aren't tired of explaining it day after day to air headed morons who don't listen and ask the same fucking questions each day.

go to the /natsoc/ of /fascist/ threads and ask there, youll more than likely get a few sentences as an overview, a screenshot with more detail then a few videos.

Absolutely not. The extent of government control over the economy in a fascist state is restricted to preventing moral decay in the society. This does not in any way equate to "socialism". There is no redistribution of wealth, nor any kind of common investment into a common good or service (such as healthcare).

tl;dr - A fascist state does exercise a degree of control over the economy, but not in the form of taxes or socialist programs. It is not socialism.

State culture? Here that would mean college football and eating buckeyes.

>>least taxes in NatSoc.
>How about no. How do you pay for socialism if not with higher tax rates?

the biggest taxes are payed by the great corporations. my grandfather had a business in that period. he didn't really pay that much taxes.
I know it first hand. they didn't have to pay much taxes as small and middle-sized business owners, because the state economy was not isolated commie-style. our economy was opened to the world and we traded and made deals like we do today. our exports were non stop growing and our income and GDP was getting higher and higher. The big businesses payed most of the taxes. normal workers, small business owners and middle-sized businesses were not paying much at all.

Fascism is corporatist you uneducated fuck. Collaboration of the classes and the seizing of the mean of productions, in most cases.

>It is not socialism.

It was socialist minus the internationalism of communism. It advocated the idea of economic corporatism that would reconcile workers and entrepeneurs.

Italy's economy was after the Soviet union the most state controlled in Europe

>State culture? Here that would mean college football and eating buckeyes.

Your biggest mistake was not to adopt the culture of your European ancestors, mostly Germans, Englishmen and Scandinavians at first. America should have been a great extent of Europe in that sense.

Economics. Fascism is Capitalist. Nazism is 3rd position. I would accept either one right now. Prefer NatSoc.

>rolled over by everyone else
This excludes France of course who just handed Paris to Hitler without putting up any fight
The National Socialists literally rolled over France which makes them bottom bitch if my calculations are correct

Fascism is authoritarian, while Nazism and communism is totalitarian - with Nazism having a zest of racial issues. Didn't anybody read (((Hannah Arendt)))?

Common race = common ground.

We do have a lot of culture at this point but it is more local and divided into smaller, more specific interests. American state culture is usually some generic stereotyped thing which is unfortunate.

>Didn't anybody read (((Hannah Arendt)))

Yes, and she had wrong ideas about Fascism, National Socialism, and the Eichmann trial

The profit one makes will be theirs, and they can decide what they want to do with it. If you want to get it back to your business, you can do it as you wish. You can do anything with your money, but it should benefit the nation. For example, you can buy a car with that money. If that car was made in your nation, by your brothers and sisters, then that money you spent on the car will be theirs, so you helped your people by giving them money for their work (e.g. a Mercedes-Benz in Germany, which was made in Germany by German workers).

They both represent, deficient albinos trying to live out a false supremacy.

The common goal is the common goals of reproduction. Each citizen is mutually interested in making sure the other citizens succeed, because they are related by blood, and have a common enemy in those who wish to see their ethnicity fail.

>citizens pay taxes
>money is then invested into common goods and services
>hurr this isn't socialism
It's the very definition of socialism. It's completely irrelevant what the specific tax rates are for specific groups. You're still doing the same thing.

Third position is an inherently Fascist concept, burger. Fascism opposes both Capitalism and Socialism

Then you guys explain it. Mussolini and Mosley were just hardcore nationalists and capitalists and weren't even as close to as antisemitic as Hitler.

Ok, so then how would imports be handled in such systems? Would it be through high tariffs or trade restrictions or both? Or would there be some legal restriction or some other method of discouraging them/encouraging buying local?

Assuming the race problem was taken care of, what does either one have over a republic?

>but- but, the corporations would leave...

But that's true Fascism you faggot. Fascism is in favor of ultranationalism, a strong state and corporatism.

The prime difference between NatSoc and fascism is that national socialism has a racial component while other forms of Fascism don't.

>Self elating ego pandering with no basis of knowledge or self-awareness
WEW LAD

NatSoc is German fascism, and as such it's the most autistic form of Fascism. The main difference is that NatSoc was based around strongly racialist ideals, whereas Fascism was more about the state and the nation.

But there is some data there, like the difference between the ammount of political prisioners: while in Italy they were in thousands, in Nazi Germany and Soviet Union they could be accounted in millions. Unless the data is wrong.

jesus christ

It's so easy to spot a nigger

((She)) argued that ((Communism)) was a lesser evil than National Socialism. ((She)) was that dumb (or evil).

What's wrong with my statement? It's true that National Socialism focuses on the preservation of your race and keeping your people healthy, whereas standard Fascism doesn't

Ok, I think I might be getting confused now. So does this rely on the assumption that disparate ethnic groups have an automatic in-group preference that presupposes them to attempt to sabotage other ethnic groups?

And this is why you should prefer your nation's product over foreigner products. Even if they are more expensive, you will help your nation and people, so they can improve their businesses, so they can catch up to business-giants. Improved businesses means more jobs. More jobs means less unemployment. You have to give up cheap products for the betterment of your nation. This is the self-sacrifice that Jesus teached us, and the same self-sacrifice Adolf Hitler talked about.

Fuck.

Do you have an actual argument? NatSoc was racialist, Italian Fascism was not, this is a fact. Yes the Italians believed in being proud of your race, but only as a consequence of being proud of your nation and not based on any scientific theories like in Germany.

It's pretty much the same statement as the one above. Fascism and NatSoc is much more deep than just race.

NSDAP monetary system

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Lol whatever you say mutie bino, ya fucking leper.

It's not clear cut that National Socialism is a variant of Fascism. Able experts on Fascism reject that, and Hitler was the only National Socialist that thought highly of Mussollini.

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It is up to you to decide. If you want to kick out other businesses in favour of yours, you have to finance your businesses by buying their products. And employers should employ their nation's people, even if foreigners are cheaper. They have to give up something, so their people can have jobs. Self-sacrifice.

Leper and ashamed of it. A fucking coward.

I'm not a retard, I know this, but that is what makes the distinction between National Socialism and standard Fascism.

Nazism is a variant of Fascism and is economically and racially different. The only thing the various Fascist groups had in common was ultra-nationalism. The economic ideas ranged from falangists all the way to Strasserists.

Of course National Socialism advocates racialism, but if you only explain this to someone who doesn't know what NatSoc is, it won't be very appealing to them.
We're painting the same picture Antifas paint of real Fascism, it's a much broader ideology than just "muh oppression".

A sustainable political structure.

While she banged with Heidegger. I was scolded by my uni professor when I told that (((she))) regretted her relationship with him after his involvement with Nazism. He put at my face his/her biography which told that (((she))) took part of celebrations of Heiddeger's 80th birthday party saying that (((she))) respected him "since always".

OP is asking for the difference between Italian Fascism and NatSoc, not a detailed description of National Socialist ideology.

What do you think about the Italian Futurists?

This is what fascism looks like. Jk. This is what u look like.

they are related

both in a sense come from the same third way government system that would neither be socialism nor capitalism but a mix of both

nazism is much more ideological reminds me a lot of modern times left . very dogmatic

Your argument is shit. Even if whites were ever a mutated form of nigger, they would still be superior as demonstrated. Even if the original mutation was albinism, there have been countless more mutations after it regardless. Accept your inferiority nigger.

Alright, I would have no issues with that kind of stuff. However I don't really see that sort of society existing in the long term without strict rules and regulations enforcing it.

>Mosley
>hardcore capitalist
Fucking burgers, i swear to god i want to hit you in the head with a book.

nazism is much more hardcore
nazists were way mroe radical, more orwellian, they were eugenicists, racialists, hardcore racists, ubertotalitarians, orwellian tier shit

fascists were more reasonable, more lite version, more focused on social politics (similar to socialists in that manner), but with a lot of fash nationalism

as far as i know blacks whites and asians all come from the same common ancestor that migrated out of africa

out of the three races whites and asians mixed with neanderthals from europe while blacks did not

out of the three races asians are the most conservative post-neanderthal phase . probably our earliest ancesors had asian eye shorter stature and lighter skin . bush people are suggested to be very similar to the original proto-human that left africa or that became what we know today as blacks.

blacks also evolved from this common ancestor and are highly diversified.

asians are most inbred and most conservative


i think both europeans and asians had a preference for white skin thus both of these ethnic groups encouraged white skin traits

in summary

common ancesor (short asian like black like)

- > common white-asian ancesor mixed with neanderthal -> whites / asians (most conservative most inbred)

-> blacks

This is why we need the government. To lay down these rules and make order. And remember: we only need order and common sense to build up something great.

He was a member of aristocracy and definitely supported economic hierarchy. Having social programs and welfare =/= he was a socialist.

Nah youre fucking albino descended and super collectively ashamed of it. Blacks are proud. You live in a world of lies. Fucking matrix for your weak recessive ass. and Im gonna watch it all CRUMBLE. Im gonna tear it all down as I kick sand in your face.

You are gonna pay for what you did to my planet. Youre gonna boil in your own hate. So ashamed. Much humilation. Checkmate buddy.

Its just not your world to covet anymore mutie leper.

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wtf they look british

The british look like them, because they came from them? Whats under europe? Thousands of white muslims, in the middle east. Where your ancestors came from.

>economic hierarchy= Capitalism
>Having social programs and welfare =/= he was a socialist.
I didnt call him a socialist.

But he sure as helll wasnt a
>"hardcore capitalist"
The new party was basically a radical version of the already left wing labour party. And his union of fascists was left-leaning corporatism.

He was a beefsteak fascist through and through.

nah dude

we did not come from albino blacks

blacks have no neanderthal genes in them
whites do

obvs they come from a much earlier phase

in fact blacks asians and whites all come from an earlier ancestor

This is why you can't reason with a nigger.

>bix nood lepre whitey
>ashamed whitey me black strong kangz

in fact whites and asians have neanderthal in them while blacks do not

showing whites and asians come from a common ancestor from europe. neanderthals lived in europe

blacks continued evolving. modern blacks are not the same as their ancestors

In a monarchy, the parents can teach their kids, so they can lead the nation, and keep everything in order just like their ancestors did. In a democratic system, you can vote for someone who will lead the nation, and if these people fail as a leader, you can change by voting for someone else. Not as clean as a monarchy, but still works.

Bro, your came from brown ppl. Brown ppl basically are black ppl. Lost tribes of Africa. See this man? Hes an indian. You come from albinos of indians. Thats why the swasitka comes from india.

Everything the taught you is fake.

>everybody on this board is stupid
>being on this board yourself