Why does Orwell hate Nationalism so much?
Why does Orwell hate Nationalism so much?
Jason Roberts
Dominic Diaz
He doesn't
shut up
delete this thread
kill yourself
Zachary Allen
Nationalism is a spook benefiting the capitalists by fueling class divide
Landon Cox
"Strictly speaking, as a Nationalist, he was an enemy" - George Orwell on Ghandi
orwell.ru
"It is also worth emphasising once again that nationalist feeling can be purely negative." - George Orwell, notes on Nationalism
Bentley Garcia
If someone hates nationalism, they're probably jewish.
Jaxson Edwards
>he was an enemy
to whom? The british?
>can be purely negative
Can, doesnt has to.
Orwells notes on nationalism are however a great read for every nationalist as it exposes some weak points and traps concerning the way it makes you think that must be reflected over.
Aaron Miller
Of course they are
Jews are higher iq
Higher iq people don't limit themselves by irrational ideas like religion or nationalism
Disclaimer: my grandmother is Jewish.
Sebastian Richardson
People often forget that Orwell was indeed a commie. He just hated Stalin for killing a lot of people Orwell liked. It's why his books are so poignant, it's coming from an insider who knows how this shit works.
The irony is that he redpilled millions of people on the end result of communism but he wasn't able to connect the dots and redpill himself.
Robert Young
I think 1984 is just his way of bitching about how "real communism has never been tried" "like this book, it's not real communism. see?"
Benjamin Ross
and israel is an ethnostate :D
Evan Perry
Stupid like shill. Go throw yourself in a furnace. Sieg Heil
Brody Thompson
To humankind as a species.
Nationalists have a identity to a state, making them slaves in effect. Nationalism promotes slave mentality and led to tons of wars.
Humanity first. Fuck your nation state that in the grand scheme of things is just a shit strain streaking across part of a landmass. Fuck it dry.
Henry Turner
Probably this.
Eh, at least it makes him a good talking point against the modern left.
Levi Martin
Well, but even there he explains how any promise of 'reel communismXD' can (and will) become something even worse than totalitarianism (this is explained in that book Winston gets around the mid-point of 1984)
Aiden Phillips
Maybe because he was an actual Communist faggot. 1984 is shit.
Henry Rodriguez
Orwell'ls dystopia is just a propaganda metaphor that aimed to render the terror of Stalinism intelligible to people (Englishmen) to whom pure despotism was remote from their historical memory - it wasn't in any meaningful was diagnostic of the anti-human elements of Liberalism; it was and is just a morality play about an alien form of total state that Orwell suggested must be actively confronted. Its a pro-democracy fable that avoids punitive critiques of the author's own culture.
Huxley's book is a scathing attack on modernity in general but doesn't provide any great insight into the peculiar theology of Liberalism in and of itself. While cogent and prescient, its more a cautionary tale about global technology and human freedom - and the fact that no extant political system or value system can adequately manage its disruptive features.
The genius of Clockwork Orange is that it describes a world where the liberal-democratic regime has mutated into a therapeutic state - an occurrence that, in Burgess' nightmare world. has been exascerbated in scope and intensity by the monumental domination of world-culture and historical dialectic by Sovietism. The answer to New Soviet Man in the United Kingdom is a kind of therapeutic man - whose life is shorn of any moral considerations of his thoughts and behavior, he is simply identified as sick or healthy, which culminates in human creativity becoming synonymous with violence in the minds of people who are brutalized psychologically by a state that is entirely at odds with nature. The book identifies the cultural pathology of Liberalism, in other words. Its aged far better than other dystopian stories for this reason.
Colton Nguyen
>Um, the State of Israel?
Julian Nelson
You have to differentiate between nationalism and patriotism.
Orwell was quite a patriot and loved English culture and England.
Charles Sullivan
He hated communism if anything.
Ian Turner
autist, Hitler would've killed your ass already for going to such a degenerate site like this
Blake Ward
Well shit, better start dancing the chakra and spinning some dredels since I hate nationalism.
What is wrong with globalism anyways? The problems you describe solve themselves- the skitskin problem can be solved with genetic modification of it irks you so much. We can just inject white genes into them or something.
Jacob Foster
Lots of socialists actually defended patriotism
Adrian Kelly
Well shit, better start dancing the chakra and spinning some dredels since I hate nationalism.
What is wrong with globalism anyways? The problems you describe solve themselves- the skitskin problem can be solved with genetic modification if it irks you so much. We can just inject white genes into them or something.
Andrew Ward
Well shit, better start dancing the chakra and spinning some dredels since I hate nationalism.
What is wrong with globalism anyways? The problems you describe solve themselves- the minority problem can be solved with genetic modification if it irks you so much. We can just inject white genes into them or something.
John Garcia
He literally wrote a whole book about how a communist state would be a complete disaster..it it called 1984
Anthony Miller
That was more of a critique of Stalinist itself, not communism in general. Orwell was a socialist
Owen Rodriguez
*Stalinism
Colton Jackson
The point of the three authors it's that the population will be dumbed down into compliance by pleasure or fear.
Orwell was against war, therefore nationalism (main breeder of wars) was described as the justification for the permanent state of war.
Huxley used social engineering and eugenics, to describe a society dumbed down to it's own lack of instropection.
The complain about therapeutic state wasn't against sovietism, it was about england's own brand of psychological manipulation, that spread around the world on the back of psychoanalisys.
Mason Reyes
>Why does Orwell hate Nationalism so much?
Because he was a commie who fought for the Republicans in the civil war.
Dominic Bell
He fought with POUM who were Trotskyites. He explains his reasons for joining them in Homage to Catalonia. He was never an orthodox communist, like Bolsheviks. And during SCW he became disillusioned with communism.
Justin Fisher
>he thinks unity is sustainable (or desirable) on this scale
>he thinks slaves aren't meant to exist
it would be adorable if it weren't so retarded and gay
Andrew Nelson
He was a communist himself but disliked all forms of authoritarianism including nationalism and Leninism.
Andrew Flores
"But here it is worth noting a minor English trait which is extremely well marked though not often commented on, and that is a love of flowers. This is one of the first things that one notices when one reaches England from abroad, especially if one is coming from southern Europe. Does it not contradict the English indifference to the arts? Not really, because it is found in people who have no aesthetic feelings whatever. What it does link up with, however, is another English characteristic which is so much a part of us that we barely notice it, and that is the addiction to hobbies and spare-time occupations, the privateness of English life. We are a nation of flower-lovers, but also a nation of stamp-collectors, pigeon-fanciers, amateur carpenters, coupon-snippers, darts-players, crossword-puzzle fans. All the culture that is most truly native centres round things which even when they are communal are not official – the pub, the football match, the back garden, the fireside and the ‘nice cup of tea’. The liberty of the individual is still believed in, almost as in the nineteenth century. But this has nothing to do with economic liberty, the right to exploit others for profit. It is the liberty to have a home of your own, to do what you like in your spare time, to choose your own amusements instead of having them chosen for you from above. The most hateful of all names in an English ear is Nosey Parker. It is obvious, of course, that even this purely private liberty is a lost cause. Like all other modern people, the English are in process of being numbered, labelled, conscripted, ‘co-ordinated’. But the pull of their impulses is in the other direction, and the kind of regimentation that can be imposed on them will be modified in consequence. No party rallies, no Youth Movements, no coloured shirts, no Jew-baiting or ‘spontaneous’ demonstrations. No Gestapo either, in all probability."
Daniel Parker
It creates things like Sup Forums.
Zachary Mitchell
He couldnt see the future like Uncle did
Caleb Gomez
Nationalism is not possible without some form of totalitarianism or authoritarianism, the same problem with communism.
Jonathan Cox
Jews are very nationalistic about Israel. They just hate when *other* people do it because they're hypocrites who, despite having high IQs, seem to lack the basic capacity for self reflection.
Asians are massively nationalistic as well and have high IQs. Whites are really the only group that isn't nationalistic and they're far from the smartest. Your theory is garbage and the world would probably be better off if your grandnigger got gassed.