Tonight's Question: Since just about all cultures view fair skin, and other white features, more desirable, can we imagine that when "designer babies" are commonly available, parents will skew toward giving their children these features? Is it possible other races will gradually, voluntarily, edit themselves out of existence?
Other topics for discussion:
>Artificial Wombs
>Augmentation
>CRISPR
>Stem Cell Treatments
>AR/VR
>A.I.
>Waifus
>Automation
>3D Printing
>Molecular Manufacturing
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Fuck off scientology
They want the biochip.
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Just gotta get that resolution up and we can have proper AR.
True. The other has microfluidics tho.
I'll take advances in any direction right now, as long as we are moving forward.
join kekistan, fight the shills
Do you ever wonder why we are being held back? I do.
When will CRISPR cure autism?
>cure autism?
Is that something we are sure we want cured? A lot of top tier brains are autistic. If we are talking about actual autism and now as a buzzword.
>Do you ever wonder why we are being held back?
Fear mostly. People fear change. Change disrupts the status quo, and some will lose their place because they refuse to adapt, thinking instead that they can fight progress like it is an invader come to take their lands. They had to struggle their whole lives to get where they are, and now that they are there they will fight anything that threatens that position tooth and nail.
I think the only real and most important question here is, Will they have a soul?
But that's not the same as transhumanism, you little shit.
Do we have a soul? What about animals?
Quite probable. The issue with (((them))) will also solve itself as their intelligence potential as a unit will be completely left behind in antiquity.
They won't. The elite will probably force uniformization of looks to limit ethnic conflict. That's how all the races of the world will disappear and the new brown-ish, low-IQ humankind shall emerge - not by mixed relationships, but by genome design.
In other words, transhumanists need to be shot in the back of their heads and thrown into mass graves.
>People fear change. Change disrupts the status quo, and some will lose their place because they refuse to adapt, thinking instead that they can fight progress like it is an invader come to take their lands. They had to struggle their whole lives to get where they are, and now that they are there they will fight anything that threatens that position tooth and nail.
You do realize the irony of posting this on Sup Forums, do you?
You're a fool to believe this is anything but the true next step of humanity.
It won't work. When has any breakthrough tech become anything but amazingly common via time itself. Religions and race will fall to the wayside.
Yeah, probably. Won't mean shit if they don't improve the IQ as well.
From a philisophical standpoint I don't see why not. The body is just a vessel if you are into that stuff, why would it not be a perfectly suitable place for a soul to dwell?
The Dalai Lama said he couldn't rule out the possibility that an advanced enough computer might be able to be the host for a re-incarnated consciousness. He joked about the scientist who created such a computer finding himself reborn into it.
>When has any breakthrough tech become anything but amazingly common via time itself.
Eugenics? It was becoming more and more popular, right until association with Third Reich made it all but unmentionable. Since transhumanism is basically the same thing, you can expect a similar pushback.
in 30 years if the rest of the world doesn't catch up to asia in terms of genetic engineering, the whole world is going to be taken over by an army of 7 ft tall blue eyed freaks with slanted eyes who speak chinese and english, I mean I guess its not bad, but they'll probably invent a time machine to ensure humanity survives and we'll find out were all living in a giant paradox.
But in this case, those being genetically engineered are either babies in the womb (thus it's not completely unnatural) or they'll be giving consent.
With CRISPR being a hot tech and the scientific community of a multiethnic superpower plus any other superpower working through it, there will be no social backlash. Even if there is, the world is too interconnected for the progress to be lost. If not us, it will be China, if not them, Japan, if not them, India, South Korea, Taiwan, Russia, etc.
But smartphones already do the chip work better. You just have to assign one cellphone at each baby the moment they are born.
Designer babies and genetic augmentation via CRISPR is the ultimate redpill.
We need to go full steam ahead and fund this technology. Just think of all the possibilities!
>life span extended
>intelligence expanded
>mental illness cured
>hereditary diseases erased
>human body augmentation for the purpose of populating other planets
>cosmetic augmentation
It's the fucking future god dammit!
>with slanted eyes
They hate their own eyes, that's probably the first thing they will fix.
Yup! It negates all the issues we debate over adnauseum. The modified race will be the master race in the end.
How can you expect no social backlash? People kill each other over ethnic differences since the beginning of civilization. Genetic engineering would create such a division that normal and 'enhanced' people could as well belong to different species. That alone is enough to cause a conflict, and when you include the class dimension (obviously the rich would be the first to transition) and religion into it, you get a race war.
>Genetic engineering would create such a division that normal and 'enhanced' people could as well belong to different species.
Then cybernetics needs to fill in the gap.
Simple. Until the enhancements are easily visible, there will be no clear way to use group consensus for retaliation against the enhanced. Think of what a group with four standard deviations of IQ could do as they blend into the social background. Any set of characteristics which lend an evolutionary benefit will flourish.
It's gonna suck to be us though
Or all the angry people with normal children
As someone who is already born and here, I do hope so. Kek.
Nah, the future lies within the flesh.
I 100% support this and I believe it is the only *moral* option. Yes, that is correct, Eugenics is the moral option, and our current system is the one that is profoundly immoral, irrational, and self-destructive.
In the future, when diseases have been eradicated (CRISPR genetic therapy cures will be universal), and human augmentation has become mainstream, we will all look back on the current era of dysgenics as being a horrific era of ignorance and cowardice.
Genetics are the key to solving every human problem and finally changing the fundamental nature of who and what we are. The rules have completely changed because of technology like CRISPR and unique genetic therapies.
We are ascending, whether the masses are prepared or not.
Exactly!
Everyone will be enhanced; babies and those who are already born.
Those who refuse to be genetically augmented would look like mentally retarded people refusing to be normal
Yup, but in a way, I do not begrudge the change. As we are, things are quite inefficient, people are too dim-witted, and we come too close to erasing our species.
CRISPR can still modify you DNA even after you're born. See how retro viruses work
>A.I.
In addition, I heard of a Chinese experiment on dogs, where they removed a particular gene that released/produced a chemical that reduced muscle growth. Afterwards, the dogs became far more muscular. I'm not certain about whether it needs to be taken out at a young age, but it doesn't seem to be the case.
Just think about the physical power. There is some hope after all.
The flesh is weak
Just jar my brain up pham
We will create genetic freak cyborgs which aliens will have to destroy
I actually enjoyed her SUPERHOT videos. She was surprisingly less shit at them than most. I look forward to the day when something like this wouldn't be an actor with mocap.
All cells die and are replaced with new cells. Those new cells are created with the blueprint inscribed in the DNA. In theory if you change your DNA your new replacement cells will be modified.
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moral really are you sure because if you start limiting the genetic diversity of the human population you could have a single disease wipe us all out it has to be thought out incredibly well i dont think we will be ready to predict side effects of genetic manipulation accurately for at least a couple of decades genetics as a science is still in its infancy just cause you can manipulate something doesnt mean you know how to arrive at a desired outcome
That's a Myostatin inhibitor. It doesn't make things grow more muscle so much as stops their bodies from stopping growing muscle. It literally removes the restrictions on muscle growth like in some shonen manga. It isn't just dogs (pic related), but it does occur naturally in whippet, which is why they use them for the testing.
first designer babies will be bogdanoff babies
It would be hilarious if robowaifus became real and we STILL got cucked...like they all went after robochads.
Could you explain? I'm certain many people would refuse to undergo transformation, I know I'd rather shoot myself.
>Until the enhancements are easily visible, there will be no clear way to use group consensus for retaliation against the enhanced. Think of what a group with four standard deviations of IQ could do as they blend into the social background. Any set of characteristics which lend an evolutionary benefit will flourish.
That's a good point I haven't considered before. However, DNA testing is already commonly accessible and it will only develop, while biometric databases constantly expand, including more and more people. How hard could it be to single out the genetically enhanced?
>Everyone will be enhanced; babies and those who are already born.
Who will pay for it? Even governments stepped in to fund it for everyone, there would be a window of time between the feasibility of such technology and its common implementation - possibly long enough to stop it.
>Those who refuse to be genetically augmented would look like mentally retarded people refusing to be normal
Or those who agree to it would look like monsters voluntarily relinquishing their humanity. There have been several {{{ethnic minorities}}} persecuted by their host societies precisely because of their image as highly intelligent, elitist and malevolent group, up to and including genocide, it could happen again.
Well yeah life is about becoming the robochad
If they didn't have free will their affection/loyalty would be meaningless
>Could you explain?
For those changes where genetics isn't an option, cybernetics are. If we could get a processor in our brains, we would be smarter. Smart enough, even, to figure out a better way to explain the previous sentence.
>lets pay for the power and share it
get a load of this guy
Transhumanism will be the downfall of humanity, do not merge with tech or be a slave to the machine which will be controlled by (((them)))
At first it will be a luxury, but eventually the CRISPR gene exchange sequence will be leaked and most people would be able to afford it.
>yfw CRISPR research lab samples can be bought online RIGHT NOW
mirusbio.com
>only elite children get inoculated when they're born
>only elite children get braces
>only elite children get glasses or lasik
>no I want my nation's scientists, engineers and businessmen to be retarded so I can have the power
i imagine its because we are sitting here staring at this board instead of doing shit that will propagate better futures
Fucking plasmids when?
>Implying genetics isn't a branch of transhumanism.
>Implying their aren't benevolent people working towards greater tech, thus reducing the likelihood of Jewish uprising.
Quite a few shills for primitivism lately.
>For those changes where genetics isn't an option, cybernetics are. If we could get a processor in our brains
That would have its costs too, and people could refuse it.
>At first it will be a luxury, but eventually the CRISPR gene exchange sequence will be leaked and most people would be able to afford it.
What if they wouldn't want it, opting to preserve human purity instead?
The pressure to enhance your baby will be immense. Who is going to willingly, knowingly, put their child at a disadvantage? How long will these people last as they are out competed at every level? People will talk shit until it comes to their child or grandchild, then they will do what they have to do to make sure that baby gets every advantage they can.
I think once it kicks off, people will be mostly white. White race will be saved by genetic engineering.
>That would have its costs too, and people could refuse it.
Everything has a cost, man. Eating red meat increases the likelihood of cancer. Drinking alcohol damages the brain. But let's trivialize the devils we know and demonize the ones we don't.
As for your other point, yes. People can refuse it. That's kind of the point behind the free market.
Oh shit I'm a shill for primitiveism now. That's a new one, obvious agenda pushing is obvious. Try again you eugenicist freak
Those lepers can fuck right off then
Plasmids are already real and have been used to insert DNA into things for some time. They just don't get humans super powers, yet.
I fully support applying technology to improve the human condition and to make us into our best selves, but I do not want us to become non-human, fitness-maximizing cyborgs. That would be degenerate.
>Oh shit I'm a shill for primitiveism now.
You like it? I'm trying new insults to see what will get a response. Or do you prefer the term luddite?
>Try again you eugenicist freak
Excuse me, but where do you think you are?
Still doesn't solve the one real problem. Nihilism.
>fitness-maximizing cyborgs. That would be degenerate.
>Fitness-maxing
>Degenerate
Pretty sure that's not the case.
Money, bureaucracy and management approvals and licensing, patents. Companies better print the similar/same shit year over year because it brings stable and guaranteed profit. They have already invested into shit and want it to pay itself back. R&D costs a shitton therefore suits are really hesitating when giving resources to it.
That's what waifus are for.
By the way, Dr. Hung-Ching Liu of Cornell University already came incredibly close to developing a fully functional artificial womb for human use, but was prevented from continuing her work by government regulations and public scrutiny. If we can have a strong, confident male take over this technology, improve it a bit, lobby for its legalization, and commercialize it, it could be made widely available for consumer use within the next decade. The technology is almost complete, what is needed to bring this mainstream is some politicking and marketing.
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But of course, I did forget. Have fun with your mind controller brain faggot
Think of the possibilities lads!
You have fun with your shit IQ and vastly limited lifespan.
Who manufactures clothing that big? Just think of how much cotton, cloth, and silk that would take.
I apologize, I was referring to Nick Bolstrom's concept of fitness-maximizing agents, which he uses in a specific way. Here is some further reading on the subject:
>nickbostrom.com
Also, I would highly recommend this book by Edward O. Wilson, which makes a strong case for what he calls "existential conservatism":
>amazon.com
20 years ago they said it was 20 years away. 20 years before that they said it was 20 years away. See my point? (((Science))) is all just lies.
>robot waifus
>artificial wombs
A golden age free of the female menace is just around the corner
>I apologize
It's alright. I'll look into the links. Thank you.
>How long will these people last as they are out competed at every level?
How long did the Germans last as they were outcompeted by Jews? How long did the blacks in countries like Zimbabwe last as they were outcompeted by whites? Oh, they started persecuting the aggressive minority, expelling and killing them. How can you be so sure it would happen again?
>Who is going to willingly, knowingly, put their child at a disadvantage?
If the alternative is turning your baby into an inhuman genetic freak? Lots of people. Right now educated, intelligent people refuse to vaccinate their children because of some bullshit on the internet. When faced with an actual danger, even more parents would resist.
>Everything has a cost, man
I meant the literal financial cost.
>But let's trivialize the devils we know and demonize the ones we don't.
Rather: "let's cope with the problems we already have and not create even more".
>Those lepers can fuck right off then
As said by Shlomo Shekelberg in 1935 when someone suggested Germany is not the best place to be a Jew right then and he should consider leaving the country. Or some Nazi official when he was told Russians would not take kindly to expanding Lebensraum into their motherland. Or countless other people thinking they can ignore a hostile majority because they are too superior to fail.
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the amoral Chinese, which are already ahead of us with genetic engineering thanks to christcucks and libshits alike, will be the first to bring genetic engineering to a mass scale. Their army of genetic super soldiers would be unstoppable. Thus for the west to survive we may have to go full 1488 by shoveling christcucks and marxist into mass graves, and throw everything we have into genetic engineering R & D.
>intelligent people refuse to vaccinate their children
I would put it to you that they are not then intelligent.
Meanwhile, we're still getting closer and closer. Now we have actual results in genetic engineering with the swole doggos I mentioned earlier. In addition there's also artificial womb technology, the quickening of computers, fucking intercontinental ballistics, Viagra, energy supplements, and more.
It's not the speed that's the problem, it's unfocused application.
Looking forward to immortality personally.
>I meant the literal financial cost.
As tech increases, inferior tech will trickle down to the lower classes. It may not be perfect, but it's something. Besides, do you really want niggers with power legs to run from the cops faster?
People naturally don't find white features attractive, only reason they do nowadays is because the past hundred or so years all movies and entertainment has been made in the west. They've literally been bombarded by propaganda to find euro features more attractive.
Also colonialism.
So this will unironically save the white race?
>See my point?
No, because we have this shit now. These aren't pie in the sky idea, It is happening right now. The only debate is the rate of public adoption.
Don't forget the artificial womb component to designer babies, which could be almost as important as the germline engineering component. Sexuality, gender expression, physical features, and even intelligence are influenced to a high degree by prenatal hormone levels and in-utero nutrient supplies.
Yes, as well as the Japanese.
>whites are the most attractive
Yea ok..
I have no problem with designer babies desu.
What DNA do you modify with crispr for designer babies?, the gametes, the zygote?. Can we use crispr to modify existing people?, if so, how?
Compressed virtual lifetimes both excite and terrify me. That will have a larger impact than anything else.
Can't wait for true Ancap society where I live 5000 years with my robo girlfriend/bodyguard/caretaker/sexslave/warmachine