Why is capitalism given a free pass on Sup Forums?

Why is capitalism given a free pass on Sup Forums?

Freedom of opportunity cannot exist when income inequality and nepotism run rampant in the society.

Is there a reasonable alternative?

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pareto distribution

this means the minority of people will do the majority of work always, so income equality is actually pretty unfair

is like being the guy who studies and does the group assignment at the university, to then have your good grade given also to the pariahs teammates that did shit.

fuck you OP, fuck you

So you will force everyone to pool their own shit into a common pile of shit and expect the arbiters of said shit to be honest?

I dont believe in "personal property", I believe in private property. I believe that every man and woman has the right to property and has the right to defend that property. Fuck radical socialism and fuck chomsky who obviously wants everything to become a retarded syndicalist world federation.

everyday I realize more and more that commies are a real imminent threat, and the sooner we exterminate them, the better for everybody.

I used to think so too, but I realised that there must always be someone on top, it is the natural way of things. All throughout human history we have had hierarchies and inherited wealth. How can people expect it to disappear so quickly? People need that structure, I think.

We are told to believe that the peasant class disappeared and replaced by the middle class, but everything is relative. We are all peasants except for those who truly rule. It is not so bad being a peasant nowadays.

It is getting to the point where I totally agree with you. Fuck the NWO mind games. Shit I am so tired of the mind games. They cannot even make their mind games palatable anymore.

The answer is no.
Dumshit.

This is now a Varg thread.

Nepotism is a good thing you fucking moron

My gf doesn't get that
I've become more and more "radical" with time
I went from "I hate commies" to "all commies must be killed and any hint of it springing up must be met with deadly force"
Our ancestors were right to go to war with countries converting to that trash, I completely understand now.

"Freedom of opportunity" is unfair to ancestors and their legacy.

Didnt that kike Noam congratulate Asia for throwing out whites?!

but has discontempt when White countries want to do it?!

Hang that fucking kike

Role.

I'm not advocating for Communism.

The fact that corporations and private institutions are more powerful than nation states and have been for the better half of a century doesn't sit right with me.

At what point does it become too much? How many more interventionist wars before enough is enough?

Funding radical jihadist rebels, destabilising governments that get in the way of profiteering.. Just 2 examples that come to mind of the very real impact of unregulated capitalism.

I have more issues with it but those are the most prominent/ all I can think of atm.

I completely agree. Capitalism is greed and Communism is sloth. Fuck them both. If you aren't third option yet you are a retard.

>this means the minority of people will do the majority of work always, so income equality is actually pretty unfair
>implying income only comes from work
>what is inheritance
>being this retarded

>Nepotism is a good thing you fucking moron
>a 3rd world shithole
like poetry

If you believe in freedom as the absolute moral good then there is never enough. However the fact is that directly or indirectly, capitalism oppresses the working class. Communism in my opinion does not properly fix the problem without creating new ones.

Remember that there are more than two extremes and that there is a third position.

Sup Forums turned of NatSoc because Sup Forums is filled with newfag contrarians that sizzle in the sun once something they "believe" in becomes popular. The problem with libertarianism is that it's hard to shake off. It's an intellectual lazy ideology that deals in absolutes. Meanwhile the real world laughs at them as to polish a wineglass with a hammer is to destroy to glass. The real world can't be fixed with broad strokes. A nation must serve it's interests, however arbitrary, and remove cancers. Morals are a tool, and lets be honest, are a spook. If they make us weak and kill us then we don't need them, or at least not in simplified way that capitalists and libertarians present them.

if we were to provide equal quality of life to everyone on earth the quality of life would decrease considerably, the only reason you have such a privileged life it's because 60% of the world survives with less than a dollar a day.
as of right now capitalism is the best system as long as you're in a developed country, eventually we will reach a point where we can provide better quality of life to everyone on earth, well as long as we can decrease our current population growth rate, of manage to make a break through in space colonies/ resource explotation of celestial bodies.

Big business and big government go hand in hand. I have grown to be somewhat libertarian, though I always used to pick on them. You cannot maximize security for all at the limitation of freedom to the individual. It is always a sign of the decay of a civilization.

i dont particularly like it but i dont see a better system

Inheritance in a system in which trickle down has now failed while people loose possessions once thoughts as common place to banks isn't reliable.

It's no longer something that generations can rely on, especially not mine.

The way things are going, more and more people are without incoherence, in fractured families, doomed to repeat the cycle.

This isn't some freak accident or a fault in a specific style of government, but rather a consequence of capitalism. In a world in which not everyone is savvy with money, there will surfdom so long as such a world is ruled by money. The workers need to be protected.

>quantifying things in dollar amounts when a dollar buys a different amount of things in different parts of the world.

This is the problem, you guys cant get money out of your mind. Money is a facilitator, its a middleman. Ignore money, just look at the sum total of all natural resources at humanities disposal, then figure out what kind of quality of life every person would have if they personally owned 1/7 billionth of it.

Any excuse for people not having that amount is simply a failure of society. You can try to solve it with whatever economic system you want, and it will likely never be ideal, but you must acknowledge this is the ideal goal of civilization.

>maximize security for all
Security is not something that can be quantified, you are either secure or not secure. Ensuring everyone is secure should be a priority.

communism is shit because it's a mob rule
the majority of people are retards and shouldn't rule

uncontrolled capitalism is shit because people often act in their own self-interest against the interests of society, so society should keep them in check

This is true, but there are many forms of not-capitalism, and most of them don't require that all labours make the same income.

It's also worth pointing out that under capitalist systems as they are now, there are plenty of people that make much more money than their labour should produce.

Ancapistan is the only solution Chomsky is shit.

The good emperors of Rome are who I fall back on. Get the greatest man in your country, smash the banks, smash the Jews, smash your enemies, smash the communists, and from the rubble build something great. Indeed an authoritarian state will decline, however when it does so there is room to rebuild. The obvious subtle authoritarianism of America, with it's manipulation and monetary slavery of the masses, is not a consequence steered away from by more freedom and less government, but rather a consequence of it, and as opposed to leaving a blank slate, leaves a festering, acidic tumor in it's place so that nothing may grow as it feasts itself on the workers.

No system is perfect, but anything is better than what you are in right now. America, nothing but a dog of the Jews and an instrument to oppress and kill around the world. Nothing more and nothing less. Truly, your founding fathers built a great state, but consequently, the real America has been dead for a long time. The country of your founders has collapsed. Be it a testimate to their ideals or to the strength of our enemy, you decide. The point is, we need something better.

We don't need income equality, we need freedom of opportunity. Right now, money and oligopoly is a barrier to everything, from starting a business to going to the hospital.

I agree, however I don't necessarily agree that mob rule is always bad. Direct democracy within a commune would typically regard the means of production and possibly matters regarding the black army. A mass of idiots controlled by the media and liberated workers are two different things, however neither are good enough.

I don't believe in mob rule or money rule. I believe in the rule, and forgive my autism, of a Fuhrer and his party. Pick the best man, qualified to pick the next best man, and so on. The four great emperors of Rome were powerful monarchs chosen by their predecessor, for the greatest man is great enough to choose a great man to lead. Then Marcus Aurellious chose his son, and so he was the last great emperor or fete four.

Freedom of opportunity is a vague term. Not everyone is born with the same opportunities. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, however what we need is a society in which being born on the bottom doesn't mean generations of debt slavery and misery.

as of right now dollar represents our capicity to produce goods.
you're a dumbass if you think we just give meaningless value to money.
let's forget about money.
Do you think we could afford to give everyone on earth an iphone? or a fancy computer? or a nice car?
what about quality education, or quality medical care, can we afford to give cancer treatment to close to 1billion impoverished people?
who gets a house and who an apartment and who gets a tin shed it's decided by purchase power, Money.
if everyone became equal and everyone wanted a house, we could not provide a house for everyone, let's forget the reason why property prices fluctuate( people wanting to live in the same nice areas) and assume people is ok with living in not so nice areas as long as they have a house, most countries wouldn't be able to provide a house for every single person not even employing all of its population.

An example, india india is going through a construction boom and it's suffering terrible sand shortages, it's now profitable for gangs to strip entire beaches and river beds off sand to sell it to companies.
now we also have the issue of qualified/trained builders, architects, etc.

I get it the world is full of resources, but also full of people.

Yes, it's difficult to define. I think access to education/training, access to healthcare, and access to housing are the biggest "freedom of opportunity" indicators, what do you think?

Implying i give a shit about """freedom of opportunity"""

Indeed, for a start at least. I haven't explored much into the idea of fixing this issue, but those all sound like good things.

To hell with the NAPsters who will simply cry about their inflexible and constricting moral spooks being violated, as if it is violation to step on snek if he is around your neck. In order to solve problems we need solutions. Taxation may be theft, but without it, we might well be stuck. Access to education may not be a human right, however human rights themselves are arbitrary and context based.

I believe in problems and solutions. Sure, we must set ourselves constraints as to remain virtuous and not loose sight of our goal to liberate the workers, however we must not be prevented from simply fighting because pain is bad.

because jewish education brainwashed them so hard that those mixed, nationless sons of whores will defend rich bankers with everything they got.

>muh free market
>muh invisible hand
>muh capitalism
>muh everybody is fucked except the ultra rich
>muh ultra rich controll politics
>muh trump

Social Credit Theory

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit

Has no concept of class struggle, nor does it deny private property, but seeks to correct the oligarchic nature of the usurious financial sector which robs the planet through usury, destroying the environment, art, philosophy,etc..

Ezra Pound approved.

It's kind of the thing that makes people want to care about capitalism. If everyone is born with different opportunities capitalism is inherently oppressive, and indeed it is on a class basis. You might not care about it, but fortunately, whichever flavor of revolution you get, the workers will be to angry to care about you.

Indeed. They've convinced the people who's nations they've ruined and who's ancestors they've killed into dying for them because they want to.

It's so perfect it's physically sickening.

Nice. I think a lot of people agree with these things, but they think only backwards, not forwards. I.e. "it should be how it was". The problem is that the cat is out of the bag, you can't simply turn back time through repression (at least not sustainably). We need a new party to lead, who learns from the past instead of just trying to emulate it. We really do just need to organize

> muh communism where everyone dies
Please save your communist government some trouble and kys

Certainly we can't go back, and we shouldn't.

If you take a toy train of a point on the tracks, and move it back a few meters, it will invariably end up where you moved it from, and the problem starts again.

A new party might not be the solution. If they aren't willing to eliminate the Jew, smash the banks, smash the kike media, and instill a deeply nationalist, and even protectionist set of ideals, then it won't fix the problem, because come next (((election))), Obama 2.0 is back in the whitehouse and we continue to create a surfdom while terrorizing the middle east.

/thread

Oh, and we need to do a lot more than organize. People with my ideals are fighting a political and spiritual war with the greatest handicap in the history of the world. Our task is beyond herculean. I won't say more because I know Gook Moot sells our data, but I will say that sentiment continues to stir. We might not win, but we are becoming discontent with existence as it is.

With Usura

With usura hath no man a house of good stone
each block cut smooth and well fitting
that design might cover their face,
with usura
hath no man a painted paradise on his church wall
harpes et luz
or where virgin receiveth message
and halo projects from incision,
with usura
seeth no man Gonzaga his heirs and his concubines
no picture is made to endure nor to live with
but it is made to sell and sell quickly
with usura, sin against nature,
is thy bread ever more of stale rags
is thy bread dry as paper,
with no mountain wheat, no strong flour
with usura the line grows thick
with usura is no clear demarcation
and no man can find site for his dwelling.
Stonecutter is kept from his tone
weaver is kept from his loom
WITH USURA
wool comes not to market
sheep bringeth no gain with usura
Usura is a murrain, usura
blunteth the needle in the maid’s hand
and stoppeth the spinner’s cunning. Pietro Lombardo
came not by usura
Duccio came not by usura
nor Pier della Francesca; Zuan Bellin’ not by usura
nor was ‘La Calunnia’ painted.
Came not by usura Angelico; came not Ambrogio Praedis,
Came no church of cut stone signed: Adamo me fecit.
Not by usura St. Trophime
Not by usura Saint Hilaire,
Usura rusteth the chisel
It rusteth the craft and the craftsman
It gnaweth the thread in the loom
None learneth to weave gold in her pattern;
Azure hath a canker by usura; cramoisi is unbroidered
Emerald findeth no Memling
Usura slayeth the child in the womb
It stayeth the young man’s courting
It hath brought palsey to bed, lyeth
between the young bride and her bridegroom
CONTRA NATURAM
They have brought whores for Eleusis
Corpses are set to banquet
at behest of usura.
N.B. Usury: A charge for the use of purchasing power, levied without regard to production; often without regard to the possibilities of production. (Hence the failure of the Medici bank.)

WTF I hate usury now.

OP here, still monitoring. Nice to have fruitful discourse on Sup Forums for a change.

Good break from black twitter bait threads.

It is actually the agricultural revolution and then the industrial revolution that caused income inequality and the other issues you are attributing to capitalism. Capitalism has exited forever really. A caveman could make a tool and then trade it with another caveman for something else.

Anyway, there is no solution other than to return to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, which we should all do.

The funny thing about the world today, at least in Australia, is that we can afford all of this useless shit like iPhones and computers, but we can't afford the basics, such as shelter.

I don't understand how you can possibly justify violently assaulting people and their property on the simple grounds that they possess things you want.
Things that "reason" like that aren't even human.

Capitalism isn't trading, it's getting a bunch of people to work for you and taking most of the product. The caveman didn't organize a state to enforce his tool-making factory property rights. It's related to the industrial revolution because that is when masses of people, regardless of education or to some extent ability, could be lashed up to a machine and directly used as labor power.

You're not going to be able to convince people to return to that lifestyle. see ()

What does "the Jew" mean exactly? Is it a person in power? Any sufficiently ethnic jew? The two combined?

> return to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, which we should all do.
LOL what the fuck? There is nothing wrong with technology that helps free humans from mindless labor. That makes no sense to return to a previous system that would eat up the majority of your time simply trying to get enough food and water not to die. I bet after spending a week living a hunter gatherer lifestyle you would welcome the technology and methods of exchange which make securing basic necessities much much easier.
In reality technology is not the issue but the usury inherent in the financial and banking sector which constantly puts the consumer at a disadvantage. The value of money is not based on actual value, the medium of exchange has surpassed the exchange and been given a false value. The answer is to establish a national office to spread the national dividend in the form of free non usurious credit to consumers thus making the consumer equal with the oligarchs.

Long live neoliberalism my friend.

>Freedom of opportunity cannot exist when income inequality and nepotism run rampant in the society.
Income inequality is a farce and economic fallacy only applicable to wealth taken through force but the issue there is the taking by force not how much
Nepotism can only exist if the business is protected by the state against competition because hiring incompetent people you like is a shitty business model unless the government makes it so you really can't fail.
>what is inheritance
Nothing in the wide picture.
Actually so few of the richest rich get there from "muh endless inheritance is why you're rich forever" that it's insane this is even brought up.

The large majority of the fortune 500 people are self made and tend to be from upper middle class familes and is constantly changing as people's income changes over time.

>However the fact is that directly or indirectly, capitalism oppresses the working class.
No it doesn't.
The only retards to come to this is people using a very flawed and utterly debunked theory of value known as the labor theory of value which hasn't been taken seriously in any school of economics since Carl menger and others devised subjective value theory.
So if you try and bring up anything based around the marxian LTV just stop posting because you're the economic equivalent of a flat earther.

Everyone who cares about equality is a lefty and should be killed. This is the only link that unites all the left, from the French Revolutionaries to the National Bolsheviks.

>everybody who is german should be killed

ftfy

Anarcho-capitalism

For fuck sake.

Everytime I have to read or read a comment on economy by someone who doesn't knows Mises' economic calculation problem.

>imminent

>The fact that corporations and private institutions are more powerful than nation states and have been for the better half of a century doesn't sit right with me.
Why it was governments almost entirely centrally planned governments that Deliberately killed a couple hundred million people the last century.

> Funding radical jihadist rebels, destabilising governments that get in the way of profiteering.. Just 2 examples that come to mind of the very real impact of unregulated capitalism.
You're serious aren't you?
The biggest and most effective critics of these things are extremely far right Austrian libertarians user.
If you think today is an example of laissez faire and not massive government overreach and fascism you're delusional.
Government control over economic activity in the west is at an all time high by far.

You can't even sell a cup of lemonade on your front lawn in America anymore without going through an extensive business licensing process which tends to cost a couple Grand and afew months of time

Because freedom of opportunity shouldn't be a right

If I work hard to provide a better future and opportunity for my children, while you sit on your ass and do fuck all, why should our children get the same opportunity?

Equal opportunity is just another form of communism thought process that attacks hereditary lines and again, the family unit.

The only equality that should be a right is equal process, not opportunity or outcome. This is why capitalism is fine

Oh boy here come the (((Von Mises))) drones.
>Muh gold standard goy
>Muh deregulated financial markets goy
>Muh supply and demand goy some ones gotta produce blacked videos am i rite goy?

i dont understand why we are even considered a "capitalist" society when 75% of the workforce is employed by small businesses. shouldnt we be called small-business society?
just drive down a commercial street one day and count how many small-businesses you see compared to big evil corporations

Why do you care so much about equality? Are you weak and poor? Stupid and insecure? Should the low people not be low and the high be high?

On a serious note if u ever studied economics on a high level will agree that capitalism is a fucked up system flawed from the start.

Then somebody who studies politics will also agree that capitalism is a way for rich people to control politics and to continue milk you fools.

the cucced usa nation controlled by bankers and federal reserve will engage in any war to keep their monopoly

>92% of all worlds money is dollar
>marshall plan forever indebted europe
>nato bases everywhere in the world
>if u are not with us u are against us mentality
>endless wars by the USA to kill any sort of competition or threat.

What stupid nonsense trying to attach opportunity with nepotism or income inequality. Capitalism gives everybody an opportunity to succeed, period. Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome. I hate marxists bastards.

why every single dumb american likes to quote the red book which is a dumb inaccurate piece of cold war propaganda?

go die overseas for ur banker overlords burger.

of course its fucked because humanity is fucked. but capitalism is the least fucked of all fuckery thats existed before

Let's deny reality, since a jew pointed it out.

Fucking idiots don't even have the courage to live by their standarts on their own. Go live in a fucking kibutz without capitalism.

there is no reasonable alternative.

>The workers need to be protected
They need to be better educated.

Problem is most people think this means pumping more money into public education and standardised testing and qualifications.

The working class would do fine if they were actually taught about finance and investing in school

Any one who is still entertaining Libertarianism as an anti establishment ideology needs to read Carroll Quigley's Tragedy and Hope, and realize that financial deregulation and muh free markets only benefits internationalist oligarchs. In fact he explains how bankers were the first the support the gold standard. It is a dense book to get through so you should probably listen to this instead of trying to read it on your own.
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnoJVOCy04n50aIRIbirKmnhyPiGKy7OJ

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>What does "the Jew" mean exactly? Is it a person in power? Any sufficiently ethnic jew? The two combined?

Jews happen to be the people holding the vast majority of power and most of the powerful banks. Killing them is a must. Of course ethnic Jews aren't something you want i a white country. They aren't good. Although systematically purging random Jews might not fix the problem without creating new ones.

Only someone better than them will beat them back down. A good worker isn't going to be a good banker or real estate agent, and not matter how money savvy they are, they are going to need capital to break through the huge rental trapping on the housing market.

And it's not in Jewish interest to educate the proletariat (goy) in way to not get fucked over.

Although it would certainly help and I would support this measure.

Can someone make a counterpoint?

*tips tinfoil*

Explain workers' cooperatives, egalitarian societies, and communes then. Are they against human nature?

They're against economic possibility, hence their downfall.

>why every single dumb american likes to quote the red book which is a dumb inaccurate piece of cold war propaganda
Because just under half of that number is from genocides committed by Western European governments in the third world.

Government is the mass murderer at play and it has nothing to do with Capitalism. Unless you want to argue that capitalism makes the people of a nation wealthy enough as so wannabe empire governments have the wealth to leech from their economy to actually afford these imperial escapades.
But that is still an argument against government acting immorally

You are ignorant to the facts. Hunter gatherers worked less than farmers and any typical modern human. They worked about 3-4 hours per day and had better health then us.

The hunter gatherers did not welcome the farmers, they were killed by them due to the fact that farming, and the subsequent industrial revolution and so on, produces more humans. You can see the proof of this by, for example, Australia. The aborigines were hunter gatherers and were simply killed by the invaders. They didn't say "wow thanks guys for all your technology".

The society that survived was just the best at killing everyone else and turning the land into shitty farms.

Not as far as I know

there is a reasonable alternative...

youtu.be/lBIdk-fgCeQ

Look at economic policy of the last few decades user and tell me who it benefits.

Where does this notion of a Government encroaching on the rights of the Individual, simply to illicit control, come from?

Yes the government has some unsavoury practices but you have to look at who these practices benefit.

Net neutrality and the recently dismantled TPP for example, who would they have benefited most?

Big business is behind an astounding amount of socio-economic policies of late, to deny it is just ignorant.

>against economic possibility
Literally what

I'm a communist

No, but they are at a very basic level more resemblant to tribes than established national governments. The larger the number of people under government the less those ides become viable, especially if you add factors such as multiculturalism, scientific achievement, education and high level career specialisation, etc.

Someone born into the family of a Fortune 500 investor has the Same opportunity as someone born into a broken house from the slums?

What world do you live in?

And your ideology is revealed, a society without hierarchy is the exact opposite of right-wing ideology. A classless society means that the genetic low quality vermin is equated with genetically valuable people. Unfortunately, people are very different, and in masses stupid and worthless.

>Capitalism isn't trading, it's getting a bunch of people to work for you and taking most of the product.
It depends. That is modern capitalism. Anyway, this is just a semantics argument.

>You're not going to be able to convince people to return to that lifestyle.

It is a better lifestyle. Farmers dominated by killing everyone. We just need to modify it to protect against the invaders.

Small scale they can operate and do.
Hell if government got out of the way and didn't massively restrict who can and cannot operate in the economy legally I'd wager that you'll see significantly more of these.
But they aren't contradictory to Capitalism.
One could argue freely associated co-ops etc are more or less efficient in an open market but we don't have an actual free market to find out we have a massively regulated and protectionist model designed specifically to protect the government itself first and to protect the large corporations already established.

I find it amazing that leftist bring up men like Warren Buffett to support insanely high income taxes and play it off as if he's class aware and one of them.
People like him aren't.
Why would yuge multi billionaires support extremely high income taxes?
Well ask yourself what does the income tax predominantly Target?
Income. That means future income but past wealth is already gathered and owned by these people who also don't really make much at all wealth through income.
But you know who does make their lively Hood through income effected by these taxes?
The small business owners trying to get started or expand who can't because they're being robbed of over 40% of what they make.

In probably the most extreme example I'd have to relook up her name but an author in Sweden had been trying to make it and when one of her books became a success and she was making real money she was suddenly hit with a tax of 110%.
And Sweden is the model most commonly pushed by the inequalityphiles

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem

You're stupid and worthless.

There.

I guess your existence has been invalidated.

Point is if you work, you deserve to live a good life.

Our current society promotes neurotic weaklings that are good with money, lying the human race. Capitalism does nothing for no one. If what you talk of is the right wing than fuck the right wing.

These vermin you talk about could kill you easily. They just need to be made aware.

>not real capitalism!!1!
Capitalism as we know it has always relied on government policy.

That make's no sense. If you are going to build yourself a house how will you work less time using primitive tools than using modern power tools? Remaining primitive would definitely work out for many racial groups like abos, Africans, etc... They might even be better of in that kind of primitive society, but we European whites obviously would not live in that kind of society. Our people created technology, art, philosophy, we explored and conquered, and built great works of art. To me it is not realistic for us to abandon everything we have done and go live in a mud hut. I don't think we can go from space exploration to animism and cannibalism. That is just not who we are as a people, it would be like trying make a fish live on land.

Capitalism exponentially multiplies the bottom feeding untermensch -the lowest common denominator.
Capitalism turns mediocrities into gods for the increased efficiency and global resource flows.
The lowlife know instinctively who feeds them and their proper place in the larger order.

they never last

income inequality is natural

nepotism is caused by statism

free market rewards the best

crony is a feature of gov spending

lower gov spending all better off
as well as no regulation

We should learn from the past. We should learn how to stop farmers/industrialized/modern society from being able to kill the hunter gatherers and infecting the world with their modernisation.

Asi es mi amigo

Not really but okay. Back in reality, lazy people in communes get socially rejected and aren't trusted with much.