Dear Christians of pol: Why do you deny Gnostic tenants?

Dear Christians of pol: Why do you deny Gnostic tenants?

Why do you follow the jewish lie of Romanized Christianity?

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I am a Gnostic. its great, but it can be a bit lonely.

If you are gnostic indeed you should understand that mass spread of its knowledge is both impossible and undesirable.

>posting the old version
We gave it a new body

3/10 shitty bait

keep trying i guess

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Looks like that kids pretty smart and thinks you're retarded

Is it just me, or do the jews believe in a demiurge and want to destroy the world by bringing about armaggedon?

While Christians know nothing of the demiurge and jewish belief and are fine with armaggedon because true believers will disappear from earth and get to go to heaven right before it begins?

basic gestalt on gnosticism?

Ah, Gnosticism. Gospels of Thomas.

So what is the truth then? Is there still a supreme creator of everything above this demiurge? Laldabaoth. So Earth is a prison planet you reincarnate for "karma" reasons. Was Jesus Christ legit?

Because Gnosticism is a heresy that denies property rights, procreation, and the material world.
The Cathars and other heretics were crypto Communists that would either be celibate or practice "free love", and promoted bizarre teachings like vegetarianism and radical egalitarianism, that women shouldn't submit to husbands, etc...

OT God is a sonofabitch and is pretty retarded.
NT god is pretty cool, and Jesus wasn't killed. Or maybe he was... depends on what sect of Gnostic teaching you want to read.

>Why do you deny Gnostic tenants?
>tenants

as long as they pay rent I guess they are okay.

Because Gnosticism is a shitty death cult that believes the material world is evil.

And "Romanized Christianity" believes that the material world is good but imperfect.

can someone redpill me on gnosticism ?

Is that supposed to depict Abraxas or something else, then? I'm just guessing my way through all of this :^)

Does this have anything to do with Jesus calling (((their father))) the devil? Satan? Lucifer? Saturn? Demiurge? Moloch? Synagogue of Satan?

Either way the (((people at the top))), porn producers too all see to despise Jesus so maybe he was onto something. Had a dream with Jesus's face just the other night, felt this warm comforting feeling too during it.

Redpill yerself.
Pic Related.

The creator is evil and wants to fuck you up along with others like him, but there is a supreme God above them (Abraxas) whom can still save you and get you away from this gay earth.

fuk u demiurge :33 :33333

I believe God is personality archetype That obviously would be against perpetuating this Fallen world.

Christ, buddah, ect, would be these beings we consider to be the God Head. And just like they taught, anyone can achieve it. But few ever will or even try.

Fuk u demiurge :3

Gnosticism= freemasonry.
No its not older.
Nimrod was the first mason.

why is snek so angry

Romans 9:20-21"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?"
>Anno domini 2017
>Actually blaspheming the God that created you in your mothers womb
Shiggy diggy.

>why is snek so angry
He's pissed because he thinks he's god but the guy that came before him called him a moron.

Not the true god.

So the OT God then

>gnosticwarrior.com/yaldabaoth.html
Read up on the idiot god.

it all comes down to empaths vs psychopaths.

hence trample on snakes

fuk u demiurge

That's not in muh KJV.
Who you going to listen to, the Bible in the Kings English or a bunch of Communist whack jobs who want you to live in a Gnostic commune and share your wife with everyone?

>So the OT God then
yep, hes delusional.

I'm a practicing gnostic, user.

>Who you going to listen to

My own personal experience, that made me a gnostic.

In fact I'm posessed by an archon, no church of yours was able to help me, no jesus no yhvh, but the mere name and faith on Abraxas is making me much better.

>I'm a practicing gnostic, user.
So am I.

>In fact I'm posessed by an archon
Ah I see. Well I'll pray for you buddy, have you been using drugs or doing occult practice by any chance?

New to this gnosticism thing. What or who do you pray to? Is there a source material, or creator?

Your religion only brings misery.

thegreatcourses.com/courses/gnosticism-from-nag-hammadi-to-the-gospel-of-judas.html

i found this really enjoyable, gives you a full history

>OT God is a sonofabitch and is pretty retarded.
This is what (((Gnostics))) actually believe....

and the worst part is the concept of holiness and righteousness goes completely over their heads, it's all about the standard of "if some deity kills humans it's inherently ebil :D" but what they appear to not condone is "left handed" practices such as cannibalizing newborns, consuming semen and period blood, so basically all the evil, disgusting and revile things that the OT God said is evil is okay because "muh feels doe mang right"? Isn't this the gist of many so called self proclaimed gnostics today? Because it means they're quite stupid/willfully ignorant for not understanding some key core dogmatic facts of Christianity. So why do they even bother to like the Jesus character when they do not understand nor overstand his ways?

Hm escape from the prison of reality? So why don't Gnostics follow the extreme path of asceticism which is so much spoken about in the NT, or do they? Someone can answer this please.

Does this have to do with bloodlines?

Better yet: why dont you improve or update the Gnostic theory? Is the Demiurge REALLY a lion-headed serpent who created the world because he's evil, or is this symbolic for something that's possible according to physics?

If your god is omniscient how come he didn't know light was good until he created it?
If your god is just, how come he condemned adam and eve for what they did when they never knew what was good or evil?

No righteousness, merely a deceiver.

>What or who do you pray to?
I pray to myself.
That is to say the higher self that's beyond any kind of physical limitations.
There are a ton of different sects of Gnosticism, and one may be entirely contradictory to another, so heavy reading and learning is in order if you want to find what is right for you. Ultimately, the truth that works best for you is already in your head, so find what makes sense and follow it.
One of the main ideas that runs throughout all of the teachings is that you have direct access to the divine due to your own divine spark, so there isn't any reason to look further than your own thoughts.
You do have to be careful though, there are other things in you that are far from divine. Learning the difference between the forces that guide your thinking is the most important part of getting started. Think of it like the devil and angle on your shoulder. Discern which is which and you won't have too many problems.

>Isn't this the gist of many so called self proclaimed gnostics today?
No.
None of what you said makes any sense. Most other gnostics i've met (there have been very few) are all intelligent enough to understand that what we consider 'gods' are nothing more than the penultimate representation of an ideology.

>Does this have to do with bloodlines?


possibly, but as a Christ and buddah said anyone can achieve enlightenment, its just psychopaths dont like giving up or being told they're wrong.

>If your god is omniscient how come he didn't know light was good until he created it?
Because he created the knowledge of it, how can he know knowledge before he created it? The answer probably is that the moment he thought about it, it existed.

>Light is good
I don't know anything about that.

>how come he condemned adam and eve for what they did when they never knew what was good or evil?
God doesn't do things just for the sake of the moment, he does them for all eternity that follows too. To understand his doings you would have to know what lies there. And before that, you would have to know the full scope of his doings as well.

>No righteousness
You can't compare your human ways of thinking to the divine.
>Merely a deceiver
I don't know about that, but claiming he's deceiving is stupid. It's just childish denial, nothing more.

So you start off by asking me questions without addressing anything I said, okay. Secondly who's my God? What made you assume I'm a Christian? A Gnostic theist is what I found best describes me with what I know, and just so you know I don't mind being labelled a Christian, in fact it can be said that I still am one.

And you've also failed to address any of the points regarding the very core of Christian ideology. So let's actually talk about the ideology itself then. I'm waiting for you to actually refute the concept (how it's supposedly wrong!) of holiness and righteousness of the old testament God whose attributes Jesus also holds firmly, very firmly.

Why would you follow Gnostism?

Just because it's older doesn't mean it's anymore worthwhile.

The idea that the God of the Old and New Testaments are irreconcilably at odds with one another is such a dumb meme.

The people who believe it usually buy into another dumb meme, that being Jesus is some kind of hippy douche who was in favor of Pacifism and Libertine social norms

>The people who believe it usually buy into another dumb meme, that being Jesus is some kind of hippy douche who was in favor of Pacifism and Libertine social norms

I agree with you, hippie tier people who prioritize their warm emotions and their views based on their warm naive emotions don't realize that the bible states Jesus will come back on a white horse to judge the world, whose angels will throws sinners in the lake of fire, etc. And like I've been saying so many people seemingly can not understand the concept of a God that is a burning flame, a devouring fire, hence the new testament teaches asceticism and the harsh denial of the ego ie carrying the cross daily and being in close contact with Jesus in order to be able to walk through the scorching flame of righteousness ie be able to enter through the narrow gate into heaven. George Gurdjieff's teachings (which as I understand a lot he picked up in his travels in Asia) also are very very close to the dogmatics of Christianity in my opinion.

>I'm waiting for you to actually refute the concept (how it's supposedly wrong!) of holiness and righteousness of the old testament God whose attributes Jesus also holds firmly, very firmly.
I don't really refute them. Much of the old ideas make perfect sense. It's the dogma associated with them that has been called into question, arguably, what Jesus came to undo.

The basic principals that hold throughout most of Gnostic thought is that the OT god was divine, but also blind. He had much of the truth, but he twisted it and made it into something it wasn't supposed to be.

Now, i don't follow the idea that the physical existence is a prison, like many Gnostics do. I do however, believe it to be a lower form of being.

> Why do you deny Gnostic tenants?

I don't.
Gnosticism is the ultimate redpill: Knowledge is power.

Likewise, I believe time on earth is not "prison" but a chance to realize gnosis, in your own way.

Gnoisis can come in life, or after death... simply put: realizing and harnessing the divine spark is the way.

>realizing and harnessing the divine spark is the way.
Couldn't put it any better than that.
Now, getting to understand that amidst the bubbling cloud of terrestrial distractions is a hell of a chore, but it is possible. Probably why so many of the old sects talked about freeing yourself from materialism. It's very difficult to focus on yourself when you are busy focusing on how to get that new car or high paying job.

It depends on the materialism in question. Do you seek materials to build your own world to remain happy in? Or do you procure things to inflate yourself in the eyes of your peers?

Thats the basis. Serving the ego (satan: not as terrible as he's made out to be) or serving the higher calling.

Basic rundown is that we are all godlings in training, so to speak.
Old world order/ruling eliete = yaldabaoth/samael/demiurge/false god.
This is why they think they are gods, because they run everything. If we took up the same godspark and used it for good, we would be the resurrected christ.
Also another idea of some Gnostic thought is that Christ wont return in the flesh as one person, but as all of us, realizing our true potential.

Could someone simply list the main differences between gnostic sects and others? As well as major differences between gnostic sects.
So, what defines a gnostic and how gnostics can differ.

Also, the notion of good/evil would be better understood as detrimental/beneficial.
The elite are a detriment to humanity, though they believe they are doing what is necessary. That's what makes them false gods.

Interesting, so Jesus isn't so much the son of God within Gnosticism but simply one who realized the Godhood?

It's obviously not good though.

Its as wide as it could possibly be. Some sects (ophites) believed in ritual castration to deter lustful thoughts. Others (Sethians) believed the teachings were only meant for a certain few. There are dozens of sects and many contradict the others. And there are too many to go into detail here.
Most rely on the idea that the god of this world is fucked and that the way to overcome it is found within yourself. If that resonates with you, do some more reading for yourself.
Simply put, no one can lead you to the truth by the hand, you have to find it for yourself.
I would suggest you pick up a copy of the Nag Hamaddi library. It's a pretty good rundown on many of the larger sects.

>Interesting, so Jesus isn't so much the son of God within Gnosticism but simply one who realized the Godhood?
100% correct. Also the reason behind the "virgin birth". Not literal, but figurative. He came to the truth a virgin (without the help of the elite)

Gnosticism is a heracy made up by faggots, Catholicism is a heracy made up by pagan faggots, Protestantism is a heracy made up by Adulterous faggots. You're all faggots Jesus literally said "Unless you're BORN AGAN..." Not part of a man made denomination! Come out from the whore and plug in direct to God. Read your KJV and start a home fellowship.

I actually took a class with a guy who helped translate some of those offices. He's a very enlightened guy.

>Not part of a man made denomination! Come out from the whore and plug in direct to God. Read your KJV and start a home fellowship.
>not part of a man-made denomination... proceeds to encourage a man-made denomination.

It very much does. I've always enjoyed Christianity for it's morality but I've always taken umbridge to the fact that it places Jesus above what is humanly attainable. The notion of Godhood being something within each of us and also attainable has always resonated with me.
I already read great amounts since I'm an academic of sorts, I'm simply interested in finding a community with which I could discuss and work over ideas.

>but I've always taken umbridge to the fact that it places Jesus above what is humanly attainable.
The entire point of Jesus was his teachings, not his resurrection. Being able to attain that power and proving it was his purpose.
We all have that ability.

Also I'm not really against the Gnostic religion/philosophical way of life which arose some time after the supposed death of Jesus, what I'm against is that people who associate themselves with them and read their texts etc don't seem to like those ancients comprehend the basic biblical facts about the OT God, this is why I view them with skepticism. How can one claim to know so much and claim to thoroughly destroy/debunk a supposedly inferior religion when s/he has basic misunderstandings of the core principles of the ruling deity in the opposing religion? Sure many people view the OT God as evil for bringing death and destruction to people, but the OT God was never a god that operated by the standards of modern people today, one common viewpoint of people today "if someone kills someone then they're almost always inherently evil." People today view the killing of people almost in an entirely black and white perspective, that's more or less childish, not necessarily inherently wrong but blinds people in the process of enlightenment if they become egoistic about it and proceed to twist this or that religious text to suite their emotions.

>The basic principals that hold throughout most of Gnostic thought is that the OT god was divine, but also blind.

So a flaw in the burning fire personality?

>Now, i don't follow the idea that the physical existence is a prison, like many Gnostics do. I do however, believe it to be a lower form of being.

The serious Christians will just say life here on earth is like a passing dream, a trail/test actually.

cont.

“God is perfect and complete, the source and always increasing in perfection. The Srimad Bhagavatam (1.16.30) describes the material world as a dream state of Krishna's energy during His mystic slumber (yoga-nidra). Maha-Visnu lies in yoga-maya or yoga-nidra (creative transcendental sleep, His eyes half open) on a bed (of His own energy, Ananta-Sesa), in water. His dreaming is actually the material manifestations. Creating is very easy for this expansion of Krishna (Maha- Visnu). The material world is boring, monotonous and illusory, a dream world, a delusion. Lord Sri Krishna expansion, Maha-Vishnu is the architect and construction master of the cosmos. We can understand Maha-Visnu’s’s existence and qualities."

>implying Jews didn't get BTFO by the RCC for over a thousand years

I always thought it was cool that so many of the translators ended up becoming Gnostics themselves. Makes perfect sense to me.

>So a flaw in the burning fire personality?
Very accurate.
There isn't much that i can disagree with that you posted. Much of my disagreements with the OT thinking stems from its dogma.

The waking dream is a personal belief of mine. Only a small part of what we are is here on earth. The "full self" is farther out there, and what we perceive to be ourselves is really just a puppet in a body experiencing a weird and noisy existence.
>Just a Ride.

Gnosticism is a parasitic belief system. It merely adapts itself to another belief system. Between 100 and 300 there was no need to codify a biblical canon, it was merely accepted by concensus. Until Marcion made his false canon. I am not a Romanist, but you can lay Romanism and Papism squarely at the feet of gnostics; those things were a backlash against gnosticism.

>I am not a Romanist, but you can lay Romanism and Papism squarely at the feet of gnostics; those things were a backlash against gnosticism.
When something becomes a threat to your world order, you need to squash it or loose your position. Characteristic of elitist thinking.
True Christianity was becoming a problem, so they had to twist it and destroy it.

I agree. But I do not belive gnosticism was ever true Christianity or true anything for that matter. Gnosticism is alive and well--it's called New Age.

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>I agree. But I do not belive gnosticism was ever true Christianity or true anything for that matter. Gnosticism is alive and well--it's called New Age.
Doesn't bother me one bit. I do believe it is the true Christianity, so we can disagree on that.
New Age, in my opinion, is yet another attempt to quash the truth by twisting it as it started to become popular again.

What made us, made the animals of nature. To know our creator, is to know them. The queers that write the religious books hate nature.

>Very accurate.

Interesting... yeah so the personality of the OT God is primarily where the division between the ancient Christians and Gnostics began it seems.. so it seems I had a misconception that some of you straight out totally misunderstood the personal character traits of OT God. Thanks for clarifying. Anyway this reminds me of the story of Lucifer, you know being the highest and falling down and becoming the lowest, so as I found out (there are multiple correct levels of interpretation to this story I'd say) Lucifer from one point of view represents/symbolizes the Sun from dawn till the time of its setting, symbolizing (from this certain viewpoint which is I think is the whole point of the story) egoism, the feeling of pride and likewise chasing deceitful shadows (materialism) yet ultimately it all comes to an end, using biblical terminology it can be said it signifies the flesh, the flesh and the spirit are incompatible with each other, likewise I heard Sadhguru or was it Santos Bonacci mention the struggle of the higher self verses the lower self, and this type of teachings I assume is not new at all but very old, speaking of the east (India, etc) that is. Anyways I said that because the Sun symbolize Lucifer and both the OT God quite well from different viewpoints, and actually it can be said Lucifer indeed is the Sun.

Christianity has a tradition of natural theology. St. Justin Martyr is a pretty cool guy, eh justifies the Christian worldview to the Roman emperor based on observations of nature and doesn't afraid of anything.

Nothing "made" us.
Did the seed make the tree or the tree make the seed. Moronic question.

Also that particular demiurge picture is fascinating. The Lion's head, the serpent body which at the bottom coils into what appears to be the number 8. 8 for infinity.

Looks like the cross of satan

Surely you don't mean St. Peter's cross do you?

No, I mean the satanic one.

You've played Persona 5, I see

Oh the Leviathan cross you meant, gotcha. And I do agree actually.

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