Does an interest in BDSM correlate with greater openness to progressive politics...

Does an interest in BDSM correlate with greater openness to progressive politics? If you accept non-traditional sexuality, then you're probably likely to accept non-traditional views in other areas, correct?

>non-traditional sexuality
What part of owning cunts is non traditional? It's how it's supposed to be, cunts are made to property.

If you aren't 6'- 4" you arent a dom or an alpha.

Yes, I find it very interesting that such a non-traditional subcommunity could come to support things like Master/Slave relationship. There's lots of girls who are interested in a 1950s style household, and if you're a high-quality partner, you could snag someone who would be willing to submit to you 24/7, which seems to be very in line with Sup Forums-tier views.

However, they also take a radically inclusive view, where you'll find people unironically referring to each other as xe, xer, etc.
Generally true. If you get /fit/, work on your social skills and become a master manipulator however, you could probably find a chick who'll sub for you, so long as you are taller than her.

Bump.

Mostly it's the self hatred and tendency toward self destruction. As a man, I enjoy dominating a female, but the whole BDSM fetish thing is retarded. These people try to make sex an identity and that is the point at which they become useless fucks.

Ah, you bring up an interesting point about making sex an identity, as this is very true. However, why is someone having an interest in kinky sex retarded? Genuinely curious

Bump

Are you part of the scene user? I have lurked Fet for awhile, but they are all such turbo autists that I have difficulty wanting to be around them. It has also forced me to re-evaluate a lot of beliefs I've had. Logically, I know that open-mindedness is the most consistent position to take, but I have great difficulty reconciling this logical belief with the repulsion I feel at certain things. What do you think about kink-shaming?

6'2 chad here that fucks skinny 18-21 year old exclusivly.

Im a total degenerate sexually. My whole philosophy is to be as fucking crazy in bed as possible so they never forget me after I dump them.

Interesting. If a girl was a virgin, would you still have sex with her? I personally wouldn't, just because I know that virginity going into a marriage is more likely to make someone a good partner, and I wouldn't want to be the one who took the possibility of being an unblemished bride away from someone. OTOH, I figure that if a girl has already had sex outside of marriage, she is used goods, and might as well enjoy.

Also, how do you find the skinny qts? Every FetLife event I have been to is full of fatties

I love BDSM and I'm about as right wing as you get

But then again I never do anything where I'm not the dom. I never do any femdom at all and I generally never do anything where I'm the submissive. Although I will say this, I participate in the local kink clubs and other S&M groups and many of the people I know give off a liberal vibe, especially the subs honestly.

See, this is what I'm interested in. Why tho?? You would think that girls who recognize their submissiveness would be more right-wing, as that is in line with traditional expectations about women.

>See, this is what I'm interested in. Why tho?? You would think that girls who recognize their submissiveness would be more right-wing, as that is in line with traditional expectations about women.

Because the girls who participate as submissives are generally degenerates, many of them whores too, so naturally they're left wing. Their sexual proclivities seem to be more modest and submissive, therefore you would assume they would have more traditional views, but women who spend their time being sexually abused for pleasure are just naturally, not very traditional women.

Now on the other hand, the women who are into femdom (not many of them at all) are all the typical liberal almost butch lesbian types you would expect. The males who are into femdom are literally all nu males who you can basically tell are pretty much gay or low testosterone. They are all your quintessential liberals

Yeah, fair enough. One interesting thing I have noticed is that while everybody in the BDSM scene will profess universalistic/inclusive/liberal theories about relationships, in practice you run smack up against reality of male-female attraction. Muscular, stereotypically masculine men get pussy by the boatload, while the nu-males seem to dry up a woman faster than the Sahara. It just all seems so tiring.

I think it's because of the "empowerment" of women in recent years.

Women are being taught to be strong and tough, which is against their nature. So their desire to be submissive is being suppressed. So they end up fantasying about being submissive in sex, because they actually like being dominated.

>Yeah, fair enough. One interesting thing I have noticed is that while everybody in the BDSM scene will profess universalistic/inclusive/liberal theories about relationships, in practice you run smack up against reality of male-female attraction. Muscular, stereotypically masculine men get pussy by the boatload, while the nu-males seem to dry up a woman faster than the Sahara. It just all seems so tiring.


Very very true analysis and it is funny that the people who participate in it's views totally conflict with reality

Check'd. I've wondered this as well, but I have no idea how one would go about undoing this type of Jewing. The usual strategy that I have heard from girls is that
> yes, I'm a feminist, but feminism (to me) just means that women should be able to have the freedom to choose, and I choose to be tied up and called a cum-slut by muscular doms

This.

I'm a woman is brought up to think she's a perfect princess and everyone treats her like royalty and bends to her whims (which is what happens to the majority of white western girls) then the reaction to this is wanting to get completely degraded and abused during sex.

>why aren't submissives more traditional
It's very simple. By fetishizing suibmissiveness, they believe it is a perversion/taboo rather than what a traditionalist would view as the natural order of things (same logic behind loving anal sex)
Meanwhile, it's actually to soothe the cognitive dissonance between their subconscious opinion of themselves (self-loathing, feeling like trash/a whore for their behaviour) and their politics/public beliefs, as well as catering to their deep-rooted traditional urges.

Of course this only manifests during sex for them, whereas an actual traditionalist woman would be so outside of bed as well and is at least somewhat why they aren't as extreme in their submissiveness in the bedroom.

I like bdsm & kinky sex, but in the bedroom only- I hate all that "lifestyle" stuff, hate the idea of clubs or events, and hate get life too.

Mostly I hate it because I believe sex is private and don't believe in putting my sex life 'out there'. But the PC culture of the fetish community is really annoying too. People who are into it as an identity and a lifestyle have mental problems and are often narcissistic, and so are also the types who like to complain about how oppressed they are, believe people who think differently than they do are fascists, police people's language, obsession with 'rape culture' and patriarchy. They're mostly insufferable.

Many women who claim to be submissive aren't really- they're actually incredibly dominant, in that they want to control everything. They often don't come across as very feminine, at least that's been my impression.

This. It's why I could never get into any "BDSM community". Also, I'm not a whore and almost all of them are.
Luckily most "modern women" are into BDSM on some level due to the aforementioned forcing of women's lib. But finding someone who would be okay with submission going beyond just the bedroom but still in private who isn't a massive whore is practically impossible.

>the submissives are actually the ones in charge meme
kek that's what a lot of them tell themselves in order to feel like they have the power like they do in every day life
Even if technically true in terms of consent, I've always found it laughable.
You are right in that we should specify that we stricly mean sexual submissives.

They are though. If a sub says stop, the show is over. The top is just a more complex masturbation device for a bottom.

Putting that much effort into sex is beta as fuck. Your mind can be pursuing far greater goals than hedonism. I fucking tried all this shit fucked heaps of women and its honestly degrading and worthless. Sex for any other purpose than procreation is beta as fuck.

all white women secretly want to get raped by niggers. you know i'm right

Thanks for the contribution, user. I think I ended up somewhere similar as you, jumping through so many hoops just to have a roll in the hay felt extremely degrading.

you dont own the cunt its a big huge play act the first thing you learn is that the subs are greedy for attention and the whole scene is organiZed around them THEY ARE BASICALLY IN CHARGE BECAUSE THEY CAN LEAVE A MASTER AT ANY TIME AND THEY hop around from dom to dom *males sobs seem to be more loyal for whatever reason probably because male submissives are fucking pathetic)
aisha didnt have a safe word with mohammed

God damn it, Gump. You must be some kind of a god damned genius!

Last point
These sexual submissives actually do have submissiveness show up in their politics
What could be more submissive than allowing open borders into your country, especially when the majority of people coming in are from violent places?

>implying they ever use that power in the middle of fucking
>implying they aren't completely pliable in the heat of the moment
>implying they won't go past previously established limits if you know what you're doing
Yeah, they sure have all the power. :^)

Seems pretty Jewish, m8. I have very mixed feelings about this thing. In the olden days, the men would just rape women, but now the Jews have succeeded in inverting that order of things so that women have all the power in relationships, effectively making men their slaves. But congratulations, they convinced you that being a performing monkey for a woman is honorable.

Progressivism isn't the opposite of traditionalism. The definition in a dictionary would tell you it is simple advocacy for social reform, but it is in practice advocacy for a specific type of social reform regime which places decisions in the hands of central planners. It is only through the central planners that so-called reformers hope to see their social changes realized.

There is nothing new and nothing open about Progressivism and it is, in fact, regressive.

It's hard for women to find dominant men like that, too- someone who's dominant in the bedroom, and dominant in the relationship in the traditional way, who isn't religious and who also isn't some vampire LARper.

'Taken in Hand' is the sort of thing that would be my ideal, but again, very difficult to find men who are into that.

Yeah, I was hoping for something like this, but as a guy, dating is a fucking minefield, and i don't miss pussy enough to go wandering through it.

>relationships
user, I wasn't talking about relationships. I meant purely in regards to sex. I acknowledged that these women have power in every day life. Aside from over their own helplessness/indecisiveness and self-loathing.
are both right.

>vampire LARper
Took me a second but I keked
What do you mean by "Taken In Hand"?

I agree making sex into a spectacle, or trying too hard with a bunch of rules and stuff, is extremely dumb. But so-called kinky sex doesn't have to be like that. If you're comfortable and compatible with your partner, it can happen naturally. Doesn't require much mental effort.

I'm into it, but I recognize how degenerate it is and would never be public about it. I am as far from progressive as you could possibly get. Perhaps I'm the exception.

I think most of the people in this thread feel similarly.

There was a thread about a study the other day, conservatives were more into bdsm and progressives were more into group sex, open relationships and cuckolding

Maybe conservatives are just more private about it and the only ones who feel comfortable "representing BDSM" are liberals.
>group sex, open relationships and cuckolding
Disgusting

Idk, taken in hand relationships seem like the least degenerate way to practice BDSM, but I have qualms about relativizing male-led heterosexual relationships as being just one kink among many.
Link?

>traditional
>politically incorrect
pick only one
this aint no goodie too shoe christian board

Yeah, those dudes who like to dress in black and wear skull rings and want to be called Master Thundercock. So cringy, I get embarrassed on their behalf.

'Taken in Hand' is the catchphrase for a relationship where the husband is in charge, in the traditional masculine sense, and the wife takes a more traditional, feminine role. It can involve domestic discipline as an erotic component. There's a Taken in Hand website, haven't been on it in a while so I'm not sure if it's maintained.

That's not narcissistic, that's negativistic.

But then the top can stop too, slow to a crawl or do a half assed job, and so on. And then, top are more in demand, so from there have more control.

Of course, male subs act very ignorant of this, getting tactlessly self absorbed, but that just means female tops are due to cherry pick them.

You MUST be new here

I knew vamp kids were a thing but didn't know they were a plague upon the BDSM community. I thought you were making a 50 Shades joke (since it used to just be vamp fanfiction).

>Taken In Hand
Interesting. Just found the book and site. Yeah, it hasn't been updated in 5 years or so, seems like.

It can be less damaging than getting sucked into other forms of distraction and hedonism. And this way, by putting effort into it, it's possible to effectively complete with others at sex, even if they're strongly expected to be able to outdo you.

everyone either wants to dominate or submit that's just how humans work. some even have the capacity to switch between roles (like me)

The narcissism is how they want to make a public spectacle of themselves and be the focus of attention, either at clubs or events, or by plastering themselves all over the internet. And PC self-righteousness is another way of saying 'look at me'. Look at that antifa girl with the dreadlocks. Really not a shock she's done porn and makes a big deal about her sexual preferences online. It's all about attention seeking.

It's called cognitive dissonance. Their biology craves that whip and chokehold because they've been such feminist bitches but they rationalize it as "only in the bedroom teh he".

It's just another attempt by them to remain in their thought control bubbles.

Ahhh 50 shades, I never read it but that's a book that brings out all the outraged sjws in the bdsm 'community'. 'he didn't respect her safe word, that promotes rape culture' and all that sort of garbage.

fuck, my 5'7" ass has no chance of dominating shit.

Yeah, it's the dissonance caused by a universalist, utopian ideology being rammed into their head 24/7, and the urges of the natural order bubbling up within them.
How did you get interested in TiH? Also, where are you in Canada?
> I'm in Calgary, and you can join me for coffee if you're free

Lots of girls who are shorter than that. And it's really strength and attitude that matters, not height.

That gets labelled Histrionic rather than Narcissistic, which combines with Negativistic much more readily.

The Narcissists would be the few there that actually keep their online presentation polished, and as a result get many times that common level of attention.

What would you do to meet those kinds of guys? Because they would avoid the toxic BDSM culture. Mostly, it's through traditional dating techniques where you casually drop that you're into "old fashioned" gender roles or whatever. There's no way to see if someone is into the full on lifestyle from a distance.

Thanks, user, that's nice of you to offer. I'm in Toronto.

I've always liked bdsm and also always just had this attraction to traditional, 50's style (for want of a better word) relationships. I don't want to be a brash, angry loudmouth, and I like men who are comfortable with their own strong masculinity. When I started exploring bdsm, I stumbled upon the Taken in Hand thing and I knew that was for me- kinky bdsm that also emphasizes modesty and femininity. Perfect!

I do kind of view it as the straight version of being a flaming homosexual

That makes sense.

Yeah, it's not really easy to do. I haven't been particularly successful at it myself.

Where do you look? If you're looking to catch the attention of a TiH guy, you can have my advice if you like

Fairly attractive white guy here. I can't think of any of my friends who aren't into that shit even if they've never done it to my knowledge. We talk shop, yeah, but sex is still private you know?

So just date someone you like and one day pull out a ball gag and be like "I kinda want this in my mouth, what do you think?" and he'll get the hint.