Is it possible to be a National-Socialist except without the ethno-nationalism part?

Is it possible to be a National-Socialist except without the ethno-nationalism part?

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that makes no sense.

You're looking for the best kind of state though, aren't you? The best state is no state. If you want everyone to be strong and virtuous, a state won't be in anyway conductive to that.

So why isn't Somalia a State with effectively no government a socialist Utopia then?

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No "official" government. The people in Somalia don't believe in anarchist philosophy. They don't have long-term thinking and the ability to cooperate.

no

A stable anarchist society is impossible in this present condition Ancap user. If you have a basic understanding of human nature you would know this.

Communism is both top pics combined though. The oligarchy takes most of the resources for themselves.

It's a long read, but it should answer your question.

In other words, just regular socialism aka diet communism

No, fuck off.

yes, because National-Socialism isn't about race. While it makes sense to be ethno-nationalist too, because it this can protect the nation from foreign invaders, the NatSoc model isn't dependend on that.

Just fascism then? Although you could have a light ethno-nationalism.

B- BUT THAT'S THE BEST PART

Reminder that Germany didn't unite 'white' people under Hitler, they united Germans. Nationalism can't exist like it did in the Third Reich in the USA because your concept of 'whiteness' doesn't exist anywhere else. A German should not be white, they should be German. An Englishman all the same. Your usage of whiteness is arbitrary at best.

>natsoc isn't about race
the absolute state of Sup Forums, just your daily reminder that civic nationalism is shit and not real nationalism

But if you're gonna adopt a philosophy that you're never going to act on anyway, you might as well pick the end game one.

this
as long you give each race their own space in a nation and don't force them to mix, it should work out.

Still though no matter what you aren't going to be able to get 100% of the population to agree to any one philosophy. You cant think idealistically you need to look at how the real world acts. You will always have people striving for power over others its human nature. At best an anarchist society would be Tribal. With no Central power to deal with rabble rousers or criminals then any type of society would fail.

The Canadian knows

I don't like foreign white people in my country simply because they're white

What does Sup Forums think?

this isn't civic nationalism, it was an answer to a question. currently white people are evidently under attack and genocided, so it doesn't make sense to give your enemy a helping hand. but NatSoc isn't about the white race only, you must understand this or you didn't understand anything at all.

Ethnic nationalism doesn't necessarily mean hating other ethnicities but it can accept celebrating the diversity of culture every country has, with the cultures inside their original countries and not annoying in others of course.

I agree with you but you can't use blacks as an example for anything. You could hand them a literal utopia and it would be a crime ridden dump in no time.

I dunno man I love the Libertarian argument but for a society to function at the very least you need contract law.

fascism

literally the most notable difference between it and national socialism is that it trades ethno-nationalism for civic-nationalism. VERY strong civic-nationalism mind you, but civic-nationalism all the same

It doesn't mean things like little china or little istanbul are allowed. those who founded the nation and those who made the relevant culture are what other races agree upon by living in that country.

This comic is rotted in utopian thought. It doesn't show why the natsocs are all working together but rather just assumes they will do so because natsoc is great and the other systems are not.

>foreign white people
Only Brits can be white anyway.

>niggers are so dumb they need entire billboards that tell them not to beat women
holy shit i knew it was bad but fuck

The state is inevitable.
That would be non-ethnic Fascism.

That's what I said, maybe I didn't express correctly. Cultures are to be celebrated in their respective lands.

Also brah totally took a philosophy class titled African Philosophy and the entire time the Professor just shit on blacks and where like they have contributed nothing to society. Best part was the professor was Ethiopian.

I'd say NatSoc has more to do with the preservation of races.
Don't go out of your way to help or hinder them, just do your own thing and focus on looking after your own people.

why do you think?

Anarchism is the only ideal that doesn't require everyone else to play along.
>You cant think idealistically you need to look at how the real world acts.
The real world acts according to the natural laws and not the ones made by humans.
>You will always have people striving for power over others its human nature.
Those people are weak because they paradoxically rely on those they consider "lower" than themselves. If that is human nature, then humans will be superseded by something else.
>With no Central power to deal with rabble rousers or criminals then any type of society would fail.
That's like saying "with no church to deal with sinners or criminals, any type of society would fail." Consequences aren't inherent to human laws, because human laws don't actually exist. A human does a thing, and other humans that don't like that thing do something about it. Squeezing any kind of arbitrary metaphysical concepts in there is pure delusion.

The state is against itself, but anarchism is not against itself. It seems to me that the reverse of your statement is true.

Yeah, I might have misunderstood you there. Just treat it as addition to your statement then.

Here in Cincinnati we have billboards that do the unthinkable - they actually show black people in signs warning of endemic black problems. Usually they throw a whitey on them so not to be racist but infant mortality is so bad in black neighborhoods that they started switching them to niggers and nigglets exclusively.

Entire billboards up across the city reminding them not to suffocate their fucking spawn.

>Anarchism is the only ideal that doesn't require everyone else to play along.

Yes it does.
You just have to hope everyone plays along(We're Humans we won't)without much incentive and does the work necessary to survive without proper leadership.

You also have to hope that nobody abolishes your anarchism and forms one of those evil governments.


It is a nice ideal, but will never happen.

Only idiots loose their money by buying a $55K truck or $28k prius. Thats why handling money is not taught in school.

very interesting and enlightening, nice post
kek

the real option we have in this day in age, especially in USA, is civic nationalism with a good social safety net.

Might aswell be a fucking commie.
That ((( CivicCuck ))) Fascism was in the early stages of benito mussolini.
Hitler dropped the racial redpill and Benito made it into racial fascism.

Modern Fascism IS Racial.
NatSoc and Fascism are the same shit now.
They are both interchangeble.
If you want to be a multicultural multiracial ((( civicuck ))) then better become a cuckservative neo-con or a commie libtard.

So then Why is Syria, Somalia, Afghanistan, and the Baltic's all run by Warlords then? They may be weak but if they can command even the slightest amount power then they can spur others into action I mention Hitler, Caesar, Stalin, Washington, Napoleon, Cromwell, and Countless others. History has proven a stateless system does not exist. If someone can tell another to fight for him whether it be through wealth, Fear, or Pride. Unless a system has a way to put down these types quickly then your system fails.

Your Statement is to vague so it's both, yes and no. Since we know about race realism it does have the function of preservation of the races, so yes. NatSoc is governing system for a Nation and as such it obviously has and should have more functions than preserving the race, as the preserving part is a subfunction, I do not agree with your "has more todo with" statement.

Anarchism is just acknowledging the truth of the world. States already don't exist, and the world is already anarchistic to anyone who realizes this.

>implying neo-cons or commies are anything but absolute globalists

you forget that civic nationalism and ethno-nationalism are essentially equivalent in any country that's nearly pure/very close racially.
Mussolini's civic nationalism was basically "south italians, north italians, and sicialians can live together in peace". modern civic nationalism is "be kind to your next door immigrant neighbors or else :DDDD"

They ARE put down by the system, because every state is intrinsically unstable due to being based on falsehood.

The picture of communism you depict is the communism not for you, why do you not depict the glory of communism when you are gone.
>Implies no trouble makers and everyone fighting/---working, for the 'greater cause'.

fucking racist swill

The ethno-nationalism comes along from the desire to invest in and unite the people. I guess it could work in something like a bi-cultural state, assuming the group's interests can align. Like Great Britain with separate English Irish and Scots groups, or NZ with the Maori and British. But even those fairly united examples have their own interests which divide them

So then you descend into Tribalism. Where is the true state? If one group decides to defend others from random attacks and another offers to protect them isn't that technically an agreement from one party to another. Is that not State?

> NatSoc isin't about race
What in the fuck are you talking about you fucking kike shill faggot?!!!!!!

NATSOC IS A RACIALIST IDEOLOGY AT IT'S CORE YOU RETARD.

That is why it was fucking made.
It puts race first before anything else !!!

is there any hope of ever getting miscegenation to be illegal?

probably not

Wrong faggot leaf.
NatSoc was made to unite Germany and then for it to unite all of Europe into a Holy Aryan Reich, a Fourth Reich.
That is why Hitler had Waffen SS Divisions from all European Nations.
It was a White Christian Crusade agains Satanic Jewish Bolshevism and Communism.
Fuck off with your kike propaganda.

> says the shitskin
Fuck off and go back AHMED,

>Democratic Socialism.

A state involves one party coercing another without the other party acknowledging that they are being coerced.

national socialism is impossible, i am surprised how popular modern day communism and Marxism is considering the destruction

so are the kikes in control of capitalism or are they the dirty commies?

Never understood why people think this is a plausable thing. Why do you think people started living in cities to begin with you twat. You can just walk around all willy nilly with no rules because people will band together and form rules to ensure their own safety which inevitably will lead to city states and then countries. Fuck you people are dumb.

In Germany Bavaria is culturaly and mentaly quite different from northern germany. They still count as german culture as they still have things in common. Also, culture is a fluid and changing thing. While it's a bit difficult to put in in words, with the cultural marxism and the influx of incompatible culture, we should be able to generally understand what makes a compatible culture and what should better stay out.

I heard he wanted to conquer North Africa and mix the sandniggers there with the Southen European Population and LARP as the ROMAN EMPIRE.
His view was flawed because the Roman Empire was Multi-Cultural yes but NOT multi-racial.
Southern Europe, North Africa, and the Levant were all inhabited by 100% Caucasian Mediterranean People.
Southern Europeans are Meds.
North African Berbers are also Meds.
Levantine People from the Levant are also Meds.

But nonwhite invasions to North Africa and the Levant have mongrelized these once pure Caucasian Regions.
Mussolini was going to turn South Europeans into halfbreed nigger mongrel scum.
He was going to fuck everything up.
But Hitler stopped him and showed him that N.A are no longer pure Caucasians anymore, only 10% at best .

It put's it's people first before anything else. It's greatly similar but not the same as race.

...and don't call me a kike you nigger.

Without the national focus global economic interests which can lobby the govt will bring immigrants as workers, and the lower class will grow. Increasingly brown lower class will abuse those well meaning socialist services, because they can't get a job, because of the non national economic interest. And they will vote for a never ending spiral down this path, oblivious to the fact they're becoming slaves to money and to people who aren't working at all in their interests.

BOTH are sides of the same kike coin.
NatSoc is the third position.
It focuses on Race and Natural Order of Law.

>bag and shovel analogies

So then what is Power? Cain killed Able brother killed brother. Human history has proven that a true anarchist society cannot function. As long as power exists then a state will form. "the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must"

It's a Racialist Ideology you damn nigger.
Volk = People = RACE

Heil hitler

Can you be a national socialist without giving a fuck about jews ?

>thinking Southern Euros are Near Eastern semites are one united race.

I don't you realize Mussolini was a huge critic of Mediterraneanism.

Because anarchism doesn't work and never will. Because the moment there is no government 1 of two things will happen:
1 the strongest mafia will kill it's competitors and control the region as a shitty government.
2 some leaders will emerge from society to give a voice to those around then and they will get together to decide what that society should do as whole, hence a democratic government starting fron scratch.
Anyone who thinks anarchism is good is a retard, even ancaps (guess what, yound won't have money to buy a tank, but your local businessman will and he will rule you with it and a private militia. Also you will have no roads.)

I can't really say about NatSoc without an ethno-state because I've been wondering the same myself, the user who runs the natsoc general threads told me I should read a bit about Mussilini's policies because he didn't believe in a italian race, but rather in a form of cultural nationalism, uniting the italian people by their shared culture, I may be talking shit because I didn't go deep into it.

NatSoc was made to combat and defeat Jewish Bolshevism and Communism.
Once The Zionist Jewish Elite are BTFO and buried 6 feet deep, then we won't give a fuck about Jews.

What do you mean leaf

It's only a state if it's recognized as "legitimate". You don't view a mugger stealing your wallet as a state after all.

Also, human history has proven that an absolute state cannot function. As long as nature exists, states will collapse.

He's right though, National Socialism in itself is not about race. It is about the nation, its culture, and its future, but racial issues are injected into it today because of the state of the west.
In an all White Western civilization, race wouldn't be at the forefront of a National Socialist government, because everyone is already of the same race.

Mussolini was a cartoon Character. Read Machiavelli instead.

socialism can't work with immigrants from 3rd world and outgroups

>1 the strongest mafia will kill it's competitors and control the region as a shitty government.
>2 some leaders will emerge from society to give a voice to those around then and they will get together to decide what that society should do as whole, hence a democratic government starting fron scratch.

When youend in number 1 you need anarchy to go to number two.

Otherwise you are stuck forever dealing with a military mafia.

NATSOC IS ABOUT RACE GOD DAMMIT.
Holy Fuck it looks like i'n talking to Le_Dahnald Plebs here.

NatSoc was MADE as a Racialist Ideology to preserve, protect, and make the white race flourish.
The RACE comes first.
Culture, Traditions, Language, States, Nations, Kingdoms, Empires come LATER.
Because the race, the volk, the people are what make the nation, culture, traditions and not the other way around.
NatSoc is not ((( Civic Nationalism ))) .

Niggers?

You live in a fucking state their is a police force in your town who you can call and they will come and protect you. Now imagine if this was some thug who was bigger then you. Power alone dictates who lives and dies. Survival of the fittest. Now tell me how a truly Anarchist society would get to the moon?

If you want to casually agree with the ideology yes, but any country starting to adopt it is going to find they suddenly have a lot of rich and powerful enemies

Ethno nationalism is the best part you faggot

You're misunderstanding.
I didn't say National Socialism is civic nationalism. I am saying, IN AN ALL WHITE SOCIETY, it wouldn't be about race. Because everyone is already the same race.
Understand? It's the presumption that everyone is already of the same race; National Socialism cannot work for mixed demographics. Thus, in modern countries like the US and increasingly all of Europe, race is thrust into the discussion as a necessity.

> anarchism
> living like fucking animals .... basically niggers

If anarchism can't work, then that means humans are incapable of functioning without believing in falsehoods.

>NatSoc was made to combat and defeat Jewish Bolshevism and Communism.
Everytime I hear about national socialism im on board on mostly everything but when the JQ comes up I feel uneasy. Communism isnt even close to be as big of a thread as it used to be. I feel like the jew part is kind of outdated.

Ive no doubt would happen and im sure a lot of jews will be against it as it's obviously not in their best interest even if the hypothetical Natsoc regime didnt give an ounce of fuck about jews. Jews will always favor a diverse nation.

Volk = People ≈ RACE
(fixed)

As an aside, National Socialism could work for all races. It's not just for Whites; all races should be encouraged to adopt it for themselves so they can uplift their nations and live peacefully without the subversion of the jew.

I mean, it's possible to torture any ideology to suit your particular predilections. After all, Islam is a religion of peace, right?

Wrong.
Germany was 100% Homogeneous and White Nationalism was still pushed at the forefront of the State.
Because Race, Blood, Flesh is something you cannot hide.
You are you because of your people and your blood.
NatSoc Germany taught that the purity of a race is something that must be kept in check.
Ethnic-Nationalism was the racial foundation of NatSoc Germany.

Working on it. Before I came to Sup Forums I was fiction only... what a shame.

Not really, to get rid of the military mafia you will need a revolution, and if it succeeds the leaders of the revolutionary party will rule the country.

Do you even know who owns the whole world and who runs it ???
Communism is a means to an end.
Communism was made so that the KIKES can take power.
Communism is all around us and poisoning our White Societies.
Communism was never about Socio Economics, or Class Warfare or all this other bullshit.
Communism was invented by the kikes so that they can take power easily and control the goys.
This is what happens in every Communist Nation.
> Inb4 Nk
North Korea is like Communism but NatSoc combined, it's a weird fucking combo that exists.

Yes. In my country there was a movement called Popular Socialist Vanguard, it was basically NacSoc without the race thing
Also look up what our Argentinian brothers did: Peronism. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peronism.

Thanks