This is why Netanyahu didn't meet with German FM Gabriel

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jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Analysis-Germanys-Social-Democrats-pivot-toward-PLO-and-Iran-489089
jpost.com/Opinion/Netanyahus-bold-move-against-Europe-489221

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ngo-monitor.org/reports/breaking-the-silence-details-of-european-government-funding/
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it's fine, I wouldn't want to meet that Krautnigger either

breakingthesilence.org.il/about/organization

tell me more about this organization.

This is who funds Breaking the Silence.

ngo-monitor.org/ngos/breaking_the_silence_shovirm_shtika_/
ngo-monitor.org/reports/breaking-the-silence-details-of-european-government-funding/

It ain't us.

Basically, they give unverified testimonies from soldiers in order to make Israel look bad. We don't get to cross-examine them, we don't get to dispute the testimony. Imagine how credible a Sup Forums board would be when giving testimony about a political issue. That's Breaking the Silence.

youtu.be/tvBH671uoDE

looks unverified

That's not Breaking the Silence, that's B'tselem. Also, that guy went to jail.

That's not breaking silence. And that guy is in jail because of that. That's B'tselem, around 80% of the things B'tselem says are false. Even leftists hate them.

Fucking Jews

Heh, global leftism is turning on Israeli Jews rapidly.

Is that the golem sholomo?

Absolutely, beautiful.

That's Bibi Netanyahu.

kingdom of jerusalem when??
youtube.com/watch?v=isxvXITTLLY

Forgot to explicitly mention, the soldiers giving the testimony are anonymous.

Jews never tell the truth. So honestly I ask you if any race was going to cheat or lie wouldn't everybody pick the Jew?

I would sacrifice anything to undermine the filthy degenerate murderous Jew.

cut ur dick off

It was a really stupid move.
The left is suppose to be the one that ignores and boycotts stuff. The fact that your rightwing PM does that crap means that he has no values

Did you read the article? It was a diplomatic insult for Gabriel to visit BTS. We're not having that anymore.

wow what a shithole

We have too many people attempting to force their perception of 'The Moral Choice' on us. The more that Netanyahu can keep that from happening, let us make our own decisions, the better.

One of the shooter's friends had just gotten stabbed by the guy he murdered. It's understandable, if reprehensible.

Yes from Jpost the hard right news media of Israel.
Look I know Sup Forums doesnt like the left but in many countries the left actually likes to do good. It shows that you choose to attack the messenger instead of the message.

>On Tuesday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu adopted a new strategy for managing Israel’s diplomatic relations with the West. Long in the making and increasingly urgent, Israel’s new strategy is very simple. Foreign governments can either treat Israel in accordance with international diplomatic norms of behavior, or they can continue to discriminate against Israel.

>If they act in accordance to international diplomatic norms, Israel will respond in like fashion. If they choose instead to discriminate against Israel and treat it in a manner no other democratic state is treated, Israel will abandon diplomatic convention and treat foreign governments as domestic critics.

>After the PLO abandoned the peace process with Israel at the July 2000 Camp David summit and initiated its terrorist war against Israel two months later, the Europeans began massively funding radical leftist groups registered as NGOs in Israel. The collapse of the peace process and the initiation of the Palestinian terrorist war all but dried up domestic support for groups like Peace Now, B’Tselem and Rabbis for Human Rights. But with millions of euros in their pockets and the unconditional diplomatic support of Europe, these groups were able to become players in Israel’s domestic politics and cause massive harm to Israel’s international standing.

>As for the Europeans, their Israeli contractors gave them the ability to fend off allegations that they were antisemites engaged in systematic and prejudicial discrimination against the Jewish state.

>Every time Israeli officials and others protested about their unfair treatment of Israel, the Europeans responded that they were simply restating allegations made by Israelis.

What message? Breaking the Silence just makes shit up, with no proof, no way to deny whatever it was that they decide to accuse us of. They have no identity, they don't let us examine the claim. It's unverified bullcrap.

If the Human Rights Organizations want to treated fairly, they should stop being disingenuous.

Just the tip?
That's just Jewish

You mean continue to treat them as the criminals they are?
Jews are filth.

Because the speakers want to remain anonymous and its within their rights to say so. Revealing their identities would be dangerous and would cause alienation or worse since Israel is the country that has the closest ties with its military, an attack on the military is an attack on the people. Theres a joke that attacking a soldier would get you piled on by the civilians.
Look the point of most NGOs are just to end the occupation which has been going on for 50 years.

It was a good decision, fuck Gabriel and SPD+CDU

Long story short
>We want total control over your politics goyim, not just your governments but your opinions as well

Maybe we should start treating Israel the same, re: AIPAC, JDL, ADL, SPLC. Millions of Jewish dollars fund anti-white agitprop in America.

The point of most NGOs in Israel is to end Israel

AIPAC isnt anti-white

Also the money comes from American citizens so it's not the same situation

It is absolutely within their rights, but that gets them a huge hit to their legitimacy. They're funded by Europe rather than by Israel.

Look, the fact that we've rolled over and taken diplomatic insults is the reason we got fucked at the UN last time. Even if Breaking the Silence and Germany didn't deserve this treatment, it would still be a good political move. Make there be consequences to disrespecting us.

>Also the money comes from American citizens
Who are Jews.

And fuck you AIPAC isn't white. They tried to shovel our soldiers into Syria in 2013 to fight another kike war. Then in one of the few rare moments of Congress doing its fucking job, they listened to their constituents and stood up to AIPAC/Obama and said no.

If you had a foreign ministry that insisted on meeting with an organization that your government told them not to, would you have a problem with the government telling the FM to piss off? This sort of diplomatic insult is just. not. done.

>Make there be consequences to disrespecting us.
I'm sorry, what makes you so special again? Not that my country has much going for it these days, but it's not like we're dragging other people's asses into the line of fire just to solve our self-created problems.

>Though Netanyahu’s critics and Gabriel himself argue that this move was just the result of domestic Israeli politics – Netanyahu’s gesture to his right wing, which loves to see Israel’s leaders stand up to the world, especially to Europe – the move needs to be seen in the context of a more muscular diplomatic policy Netanyahu has charted for months.
>This policy was on full display in the winter of 2015, immediately following the European Union’s decision to label products from the settlements, when Netanyahu gave a directive to suspend contact with the EU on issues pertaining to the diplomatic process with the Palestinians.
>And it was again on glaring display last December, when Israel disinvited Ukraine’s Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman from visiting, after Kiev voted for the anti-settlement UN Security Council Resolution 2334.
>Groysman will be arriving in mid- May, a sign that ties with Ukraine have returned to normal, but Israel has not yet decided to return its ambassador to New Zealand and Senegal, two of the four countries that sponsored the resolution. (Israel does not have diplomatic ties with the other two sponsors, Venezuela and Malaysia.)
>Diplomatic officials explain these moves as part of a more assertive diplomatic policy – that Israel expects friends to treat it the same way they treat their other friends, and that if they do not, then there will be a cost in terms of their relations with Jerusalem.
>Netanyahu believes that Israel can demand that price, because its expertise is wanted in so many areas so important to the world right now.

The "domestic critics" is a bit scary and authoritarian, but in the case if BTS most their shit is absolute lies, but I still think that shit like throwing stones at them is wrong.

Netanyahu thinks that we have stuff to offer.

Read the 'Muscular Policy' article:
>Over the last half-year, much of the Austrian government has visited Israel, including its foreign minister and ministers of defense, finance, education and interior.
>In the past, according to a senior Austrian diplomatic official, these visits would have generated a torrent of domestic criticism. There would have been loud voices in Vienna asking why the Austrian defense minister was visiting militaristic Israel and forging stronger military ties with the country that quashes Gaza, or why the interior minister is visiting a country that builds a wall to keep out the Palestinians.
>But now, considering Austria’s own challenges facing terrorism and migration, these visits cause much less domestic controversy, as there is an interest in learning from Israel’s experience in fighting terrorism and building border barriers.
>Austria is a good case study of a European country whose attitudes toward Israel are changing because of the changes sweeping Europe. Or, as Kern told The Jerusalem Post this week, “I think there are a lot of lessons we can learn, and take away, from Israel.”
>Netanyahu, who meets regularly with foreign leaders when they visit, hears this over and over, and that has reinforced a real sense in his mind that it is not only Israel that needs the countries of the world, but that these countries also need Israel – and not only the developing countries in Africa, Latin America and Asia, but also the super-developed countries in Europe.
>One could argue that Netanyahu is overstating the case, and that the world does not need Israel’s technology as much as he likes to think, but understanding that mind-set is necessary to fathom the premier’s decision to snub Gabriel this week, after the German diplomat insisted on meeting the far-left NGO Breaking the Silence, despite Israel’s appeal that he not do so.

Key difference:
Every member of Congress is forced to meet with AIPAC or THAT is considered the diplomatic insult. Even though AIPAC does not have American interests in mind.

SPD is basically a Likud proxy anyway. They fund Antifa and use Israeli funding to subvert German natsoc groups. This is just one of these instances where pandering to Germany's anti-German leftists came with a price of stepping on the toes of the master. But SPD is no more anti-Israel than establishment Republicans are pro-free markets or anti-war.

It is wrong. No violence. Violence against people just talking is wrong.

You neglected to mention rampant pedophilia

>jews jewing jews
some things never change

Here's the thing: In the view of the United Nations and in international law, those West Bank settlements are illegal. Germany is on the side of the world, Israel is on the side of crime in this respect.

So here is how this whole thing came across in Germany:
Our foreign minister wanted to meet with a group that's critical of illegal settlements. Netanyahu then refused to meet him like a spoilt child.

There's probably another way to view this, but not outside of Israel. Which is a tiny country. Which is why they especially have to watch out how they handle foreign relations.

That said, I don't like our foreign minister. Fucking faggot. I don't know about Netanyahu, but from my point of view building those settlements which cost money only to have to protect them, which costs more money, with the sole effect of pissing off the whole world is really utterly stupid.

There's a difference. BTS is trying to upset the current social order, and the parties you mentioned are trying to preserve it. No wonder that meeting with those groups wouldn't be seen as offensive.

However, our government does find BTS offensive, and if the FM decides to meet them anyway, we're allowed to consider that a purposeful insult. Just like yours would be.

I getcha. Maybe Netanyahu is overstating our value, but I hope not. Might be that's how it looks on the street, and looks different to the government.

Check out the ngo-monitor links I dropped early in the thread, BTS is not an organization criticizing the settlements, it's an organization with anonymous people criticizing the army with no proof.

Truth and proof are the first things that go overboard when the army takes over. This has always been the case, so that isn't a factor to be considered.

An older, more experienced statesmen would not have met them and if they had any significance, he would have sent an underling to them and still held the meeting with Netanyahu.

But not Gabriel. He recently lost his post as head of the party to some politician who came back from Brussels. The job of foreign minister was given to him as a sort of compensation. And then there's the fact that this is an election year, and his socialist party is doing very badly. My guess is he wanted to provoke and thereby profile himself with the young lefties. (Lefties here are very anti-Israel. In fact, they and their politics are indistinguishable from fascist policies.)

We would really need intelligence about radical Syrians who have come to us posing as "refugees", but my guess is things will only get back to normal after the September elections.

Makes sense. Ah well, at least we all got to posture a bit.

>Truth and proof are the first things that go overboard when the army takes over. This has always been the case, so that isn't a factor to be considered.

Not sure what you mean about truth and proof. I'm quite sure that if there had been an actual war crime, the Israeli public would have been the first to tear the ones responsible down.

Remember that asshole who burned an Arab alive? We tortured the twisted fuck for it.

There's a reason we call ourselves 'the most moral army' and we are proud to try to uphold the epithet.

Someone seriously needs to exterminate the Zionists.

>the most moral army
A most moral army would not illegally occupy foreign land or illegally bulldoze other people's houses. You see if you break international law, you're on the wrong side no matter how you put it.

There is reason for the army to do what they do. But from an international perspective, they are carrying out crimes.

And they can, nobody is stopping them. I know you're dealing with Arabs there and I don't envy you for it. But it looks bad, and in politics that can mean a lot. The day may come when America does not veto UN resolutions anymore.

That's why I think Netanyahu has to consider the bigger picture here and not just think of national politics. And what I don't understand at all is why he as a military man would establish outposts in enemy territory.

I mean look at ISIS. They spang up from almost nothing to an army with drones and tanks that ruled large parts if Iraq and Syria. What if something like that happened in the West Bank?

Fun fact:They never managed to get the original Mount Tsion back. Today it is called Mount Moriah and is still in the hands of the muslims.

Long story short:
1) Do what you have to do.
2) Take care that it looks right.
3) Don't endanger yourselves just because of politics. (= settlements)

>jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Analysis-Germanys-Social-Democrats-pivot-toward-PLO-and-Iran-489089
>[The SPD] is a hardcore economic nationalist who prioritizes his country’s business interests over historical responsibility toward the Jewish people
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never change kikes, never change