Sup Forums, are you ready for a major fucking redpill on gender dysphoria?

>The study was at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden, which followed 324 people after they’d had sex-reassignment surgery for up to 30 years. The study showed that about 10 years after the surgery, transgendered people began to have increased mental difficulties. As they progressed through life, their suicide mortality rose almost 20 times above the comparable nontransgender population.

>Dr. McHugh notes that studies from Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% “spontaneously lost those feelings.”

>More compelling than the malleability of transgender feelings among children is the recovery data of adult transgenders. Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic found that 70% to 80% of adult transgenders who had refrained from undergoing gender-reassignment surgery report that their feelings dissipate over time.

In other words, for 70-80% of people who experience it gender dysphoria is a phase that will go away. This data also shows that sex reassignment surgery does NOT fix the suicide problem amongst transsexuals.

If surgery does NOT fix dysphoria, and the whole dysphoria is just a fucking phase anyways, I see absolutely no reason why it should be considered a treatment, and see absolutely no reason why treatment should not be focused on intensive psychotherapy to make the person feel comfortable in their biological sex until their dysphoria naturally passes (that's what the common treatment was until LGBTs made it not politically correct to do so).

Shit taken from:
fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/06/06/the-truth-about-transgenderism-and-gender-reassigment-surgery/
I know it's an anti-trans article but they quote neutral studies, I've specifically edited out of my greentext some content that supported this position but wasn't based on neutral studies. Karolinska study can be found here:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/

Other urls found in this thread:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20562024
thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15145/
nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022236#t=article
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer).
transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987404/
cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/8/1900.full
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

you're supposed to shut it down, not turn it up

Bumping for truth. Thank you, rabbi, you truly are the greatest ally.

I hate you and your state, but sometimes you shylock fucks dig up some good stuff and deliver good bantz.

Plus, bonus points for linking the actual study.

the real question here is that is it still gay to watch tranny porn because because i know im not gay because they look like woman

Pic related as well

Here's another redpill: the degeneracy-pushing Jews are usually rich American ones, middle-class Israelis are pretty conservative (outside of Tel Aviv, which is basically Israel's california). Netanyahu is an American.

>ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/
Very interesting all this.

Nope Israel is cancer too. Literally sand monkeys who larp as chosen ones. Real Jews don't exist any more

If the tranny fucks a woman. It is not gay. If a tranny fucks another man and you get a hard on. You might be a fagget in the back of your mind. Go get a high end escort. Fuck that pussy to bring your mind back.

Stole your PePe, Here have this one

But what about being tolerant??? Fuck... my brain hurts

Time for a safe break guys

A funny part is that trans groups and SJWs almost crucified the author of the study for publishing this and tried their hardest to publicaly shame her and ruin her career. So she did an interview with a trans newspaper where she went slick as fuck on them, she basically said that the study wasn't meant to judge surgery as a treatment, just give raw numbers on the results and prognosis of people who have undergone it. Liberals bought it up like candy because they have too much of a confirmation biases to realize that in the medical world a treatment is completely judged by the results and prognosis.

>cutting off your balls and cock makes you want to kill yourself

woah... didnt see that one coming

The greatest schism for Jews came after World War 2 when the Ashkenazi split into this who want to take revenge and undermine western civilization by acting as subverters in those nations, and those who wanted to forgive, move on and live in their own state in peace.

>In other words, for 70-80% of people who experience it gender dysphoria is a phase that will go away.

Can confirm, the second I removed myself from the tranny "support" network and started just trying to make my life better all feelings of "disphoria" started to go away. Eventually the suicidal depression went away too. Nobody is more invested and dedicated to *never* admitting that they were wrong about choosing to become a tranny than a tranny, and just like all sexual deviants, they are obsessed with converting others to justify their own poor choices and find strength in numbers.

There is also not one single sane tranny on earth, just varying degrees of ability to conceal insanity

All LGBTs are like that, their main arguing point they can never let go of is "we're born this way, we didn't choose it".

Gender: The inherent sense one has of being male or female.

Transgender: Umbrella term for individuals who are gender nonconformist, for any reason.

Transsexual: People who make changes to correct their sense of gender discordance. Includes, changing of dress, hormone replacement, and/or surgery.

The evidence supports that the primary reason a person would identify as a different gender is biological, not social. I will admit that there are certainly social pressures on people who fall into the trans spectrum. These pressures may keep people from admitting how they feel. You also have to admit that there will be a segment of the people who choose to identify with the trans population who are not trans, but are identify due to attention seeking, fetishizing, and/or concurrent mental illness.

Saving this for the future. That's some heavy shit

I have a tranny sibling and can confirm. Also he wasn't born wanting to be that way. He was a socially awkwatd boy with anxiety and depression. These things were never treated, he didn't even try as an adult to get on any psych meds or consult psychiatrist. His interests and behaviour were all consistently and stereotypically male. Majored in physics, liked sports cars and engineering stuff. This guy taught me most of what i know about mechanics. He was always complaining of nogf and would have fit right in on /r9k/. Around the time he turned 40 things got real weird. Family and i received a series of bizarre emails from him. He lost his mind. Then announced he was going tranny.

Not a gender identity thing. He is insane in every aspect of the meaning of the word.

Man that is bullshit.

Not really. There is very much a biological aspect to it. However, there are some people who do have mental illness who attach themselves to this. In general, once you weed out the people with concurrent mental illness, being transgender has a pretty legit medical and biological foundation.

I challenge you to give one single example of a tranny who does not have any comorbid psych disorders.

Why don't you post some fucking sauce on your claims then instead of just giving us your word for it?

Gender Dysphoria appears to be an issue with brain development. Transgender people do have a legitimate medical issue with no real cure.

However, around 99% of the androgynous hipsters who self-identify as transgender are just doing it because it's trendy. Although a large number of them also have mental issues, their mental issues are more along the lines of narcissistic personality disorders.

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Veale JF. Prevalence of transsexualism among New Zealand passport holders. Aust N Z J Psychiatry 2008; 42:887.

Kuyper L, Wijsen C. Gender identities and gender dysphoria in the Netherlands. Arch Sex Behav 2014; 43:377.

Kauth MR, Shipherd JC, Lindsay J, et al. Access to care for transgender veterans in the Veterans Health Administration: 2006-2013. Am J Public Health 2014; 104 Suppl 4:S532.

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>suicide problem amongst transsexuals
I think it's more of a suicide feature.

Well I'd say transsexuality is a mental illness anyway, so before changing sex they should rather be put in some asylum where doctors can fix their heads

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20562024

How to get Israeli art-student gf?

Meh. I was redpilled on the futility of SRS a long time ago by Blaire herself.

I don't know why anyone's surprised by this.

If some kid goes through a punk / goth / emo / whatever phase, you don't chemically bond their clothing to them and give them full-body tattoos. They'll claim they are (thing) vehemently and say they'll never change and that you don't understand, but you stand firm and deal with it and wait for it to pass.

This is just how humans act while they grow up.

>Not really

PSA: any post that uses these words in this fashion is to be disregarded in it's entirety.

I Kek'ed.

The Holocaust never happened. All the jews picked up and left to conquered Palaestine.

When I worked at an asylum there was a tranny there. The doctors stopped her HRT, they weren't even anti-trans, they just stopped because they thought she wasn't mentally strong enough to transition, didn't want the raging hormone issues in her current state, and she was actually mildly schizophrenic so they couldn't be sure she was even in her right mind. She responded by contacting trans-advocacy groups, writing letters to the ministry of health and even wrote letters to the media (don't think a story ever got published though) talking about political psychiatry. The head of the department ended up being contacted by the fucking ministery of health threatening their licences if they didn't put her back on hormones.

I might post the full greentext in a new thread tomrrow

those american jews are the ones funneling money into your state

the doctors who do this are either brainwashed by society too, or completely mercenary about making money, or perhaps a combo of both

Post it now kikeanon. That story sounds very interesting.

The tranny movement is about turning a transient mental illness into a permanent inescapable body mutilation. This includes the use of hormone blockers in children, which permanently mutilate bodies by forever stopping the development of secondary sex characteristics (see Jazz Jennings micropenis). It's a self-harm cult.

Underrated post

So people who have gender dysphoria don't have normal brains. Who could have fucking guessed. If anything these studies confirm that gender dysphoria is an illness.

post story pls

was this in Israel? or is that a proxy

>tfw searching for "jazz jennings micropenis" on google

Yeah that would be pretty much the main problem

>The head of the department ended up being contacted by the fucking ministery of health threatening their licences if they didn't put her back on hormones.

Especially this one. So they march first against Trump doing something about "science" but can't accept that a doctor (medicine is a science subject) said that they are mentally instable?

thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/06/15145/

>For forty years as the University Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins Medical School—twenty-six of which were also spent as Psychiatrist in Chief of Johns Hopkins Hospital—I’ve been studying people who claim to be transgender. Over that time, I’ve watched the phenomenon change and expand in remarkable ways.

>In fact, gender dysphoria... belongs in the family of similarly disordered assumptions about the body, such as anorexia nervosa and body dysmorphic disorder.

>The treatment should strive to correct the false, problematic nature of the assumption and to resolve the psychosocial conflicts provoking it.

>The larger issue is the meme itself. The idea that one’s sex is fluid and a matter open to choice runs unquestioned through our culture and is reflected everywhere in the media, the theater, the classroom, and in many medical clinics. It has taken on cult-like features: its own special lingo, internet chat rooms providing slick answers to new recruits, and clubs for easy access to dresses and styles supporting the sex change. It is doing much damage to families, adolescents, and children and should be confronted as an opinion without biological foundation wherever it emerges.

nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa022236#t=article

>However, our findings suggest that children who are born genetically and hormonally male may identify themselves as males despite being raised as females and undergoing feminizing genitoplasty at birth. Reassignment of genetic males to female sex because of phallic inadequacy may complicate already complex neonatal conditions.

Since I ran out of space, you get the gist of it.

Bump for pure truth

Then tell me kike. If Mizrahi Jews are soooo conservative, why is it that you accept American money? Why do i never hear of Protests against American wars over there? Why is it that the Ashkenazi Jews hate America sooooo fucking much when it was the Americans that saved the Jews from the fires of the six trillions? What the fuck did i ever do to (((them))) to deserve the death of my people and my culture?

There's a story of a kid who was raised female after a botched circumcision, the psychologist who did it wanted to prove that gender was a social construct, he ended up transitioning to make as a teenager and then killed himself. It still causes immense asspain amongst leftists to this day when you bring the case up.

I forgot the name but it's very widespread on Google.

Thanks for this but I still hate your country though

Neuroanatomist have in the last 10-15 years discovered that there are some strong indicators that there are observable and measurable differences in the brain between transsexual people and those who are not. In both male to female and female to male, neuroanatomist have found that these people had structural differences in their stria terminalis. They found that people who were transgendered had stria terminalis that matched there self-identified gender, not their phenotypical gender. [6]

In addition from that information, we know of a lot of other prenatal hormonal issues that cause all kinds of interesting results. For example, we know that girls with Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia end up with pretty high rates of lesbianism.

Now with this being stated, we are talking about a tiny portion of the population. Just because there isn’t a huge population of these people, hatred or dismissal of their issues isn’t justified like the hatred of Israelis.

Several Northern European countries show that the prevalence of the transsexualism is between 0.003-0.008%. [1] The reported prevalence of transsexualism is in New Zealand is about 0.02%. [2] The prevalence of people reporting any transgender issues is a little higher. Again, the Northern European nations report that about 0.3% of men and 0.05% of women. [3] The US doesn't have a good way to data mine the entire population, but data mining the VA records shows that the US population probably runs at about 0.03%, but this is not a definite. [4] Of the people who express any transgender tendencies, there is a 3 to 1 male to female vs female to male prevalence. [5]

cont.

And how exactly is this relevant to the fact that surgery is not, according to the data, a good treatment for gender dysphoria?

I never said the guy was wrong, I just asked fo sauce

The text is too long to paste from the study above, but what you described is basically what they did to children as they were raised opposite of their biological sex/gender, and were never told about it either.

The majority of them once their true identity was divulged ended up siding with that reality, and underwent reconstruction surgery.

Other interesting things happened, such as the boys being raised as girls resented being dressed as girls, still behaved as young boys do even when raised as girls; the list goes on and on and on. All it did was further cement the fact that gender/sex is not something you "feel" like you can change. There are rare exceptions due to developmental issues, but other than that, it's a total mental illness.

It's too bad our generation is so quick to dismiss fact and biology and side with it being a fucking meme.

I know I definitely wasn't born bisexual, it was a learned behavior that I quickly outgrew once I found a gf who will make a suitable mother for my children.

Thus far, any reputable attempt to try and prove that gender could be assigned by social means has resulted in complete failure. The best example to show you this failure is the case of David Reimer (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer). We have known this for a long time now in medicine field. In the past when we were faced with a child born with what we call “ambiguous genitalia” we would tell the parents that due to limited surgical capabilities it was “easier to make a hole than a pole” and would make the child a girl. The parents were told to raise the child as a girl. It turned out that greater than 50% of these children would later reject their female identity. [7] David Reimer is a perfect example.

Tl;dr Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder. Transgenderism is not. The reason most people commit suicide from being the result of being transgendered of suffering GID is because they experienced sexual assault often coupled with physical assaults, rape or abuse or victimized or other various cause.

Jesus fuck this captcha.

What about trans species or or trans object

>They found that people who were transgendered had stria terminalis that matched there self-identified gender, not their phenotypical gender.
And how many cases are there where the stria terminalis was a mismatch, but the person did not experience any significant transgender thoughts? That stat they give may just be correlation.

Oh please, otherkin are beyond furries, even libs don't take those seriously.

you're saying our lord and savior bill nye is lying!?!?!?

I refuse to believe that those actually exist and aren't just performance artists.

inb4 the study gets shut down

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Sooo.....0.003-0.008%

Ok, that puts us at 10-25K total trannys in America. That makes sense and I dont disagree that they might have a different brain.

That is also super fucking rare and not the same as this meme going around now about trans.

40-42% of trans report having attempted suicide at least once, Google it, there's like 8 studies about it

Tell her you roleplay as an SS officer in the bedroom. Kikes fetishize nazis more than anything.

Sorry going on an autist rant here. My sister in law is a teacher, god bless her heart, but shes kinda liberal. She works in a very small and poor school district. She really does care about kids. She tells me they have three (3) trans or non binary or whatever kids in their 100 person high school. And lots more have preferred pronouns.

Either modern trans is a meme, or there is some environmental factor causing all this shit at levels never before seen.

How to profit on detransitioning?

>That is also super fucking rare and not the same as this meme going around now about trans.
No, it's not, and the trendy ones are pissing off all the people who might otherwise realize that there really are legitimate people for whom there is no 'man up' option, for whom it never had one thing to do with fetishes or sex or crossdressing or phases or literally any of that shit. Even the study in the thread proves it as it specifically says 70-80%, which is a far cry below 100% (I actually thought it would be a higher number desu).

>what is Eugenics and giving insane people what they want so they kill themselves or can't reproduce or commit genetic suicide by race mixing

Jew I...

Sad. Mentally sick people, vulnerable in this sick society, get pushed this hopeless garbage meme - no wonder they kill themselves, they have nothing to look forwards too and no role models besides a bunch of weak freaks paraded around as normal.

No more golem tho pls

>some environmental factor
the constant media barrage that men are bad, women are great, and trans is cool

Build a better binder. Breasts don't hide themselves.

I thought it would be higher too. I'vwe found in my life thought that stats rarely hit above 85% for sociological things. There is always a portion of a group that simply doesn't conform, enjoy, accept, etc the norm. This is healthy. See re: political approvals, lagging acceptance of new tech, etc

Would explain why even in a population of non-trans that ended up nor really being, some of them end up accepting their lot anyway. The vast majoritym the 70-80% you would expect to see in a social study, can realize it was a phase.

SWEEDEN, NO!

That would be the pathological meme as posted above. Going to read that study today.

kek

ČECH'EM

Odd, I find it hard to believe it but it makes me ponder if these "Rich Jews" you are describing are what your kind calls "Erev Rav" and if yes, are they real or just a boogeyman your race uses to hide your own demons and guilt?

I find that very offensive and disturbing.

Best Ally
Here have some F-35s

Wait, weren't those shit when compared to F-22s?

Are there any feminist groups in israel?

Bruce Jenner will hang himself in his closet before the next presidential election. Shame.

It's gay regardless.

Isn't it more likely that an MtF tranny would slit her wrists? Hanging is usually preferred by males.

if you would know about the field, you'd know that these results failed replication. the rate of ''false hits'' in neurscience is 1/20, so if you measure hundreds of brain structures between two groups, you will find a few significant differences. That's why we replicate research results. And that's why they failed replication. There is nothing particular about the transgender brain. It's only people who have been misguided by the feminist concept of gender.

He's still a man,penis or otherwise. Can't wait to see how the kardashians use it to further their show.

David Reimer

I've heard there are many, but Israel also has a huge orthodox population, so not sure how the media presents feminism there.

Transgenders have neither brain differences, or genetic/biological abnormalities. That's a myth. Comparing girls with CAH to transgenders is like comparing Rachel Dolezal to an albinos African. One of them is a biological abnormality, the other one is imagination.

>Vanderbilt University and London’s Portman Clinic found that 70% to 80% of adult transgenders who had refrained from undergoing gender-reassignment surgery report that their feelings dissipate over time.
I hope this is true for my own sake

AGP? Dates women?

Cecilia Dhejne, who conducted the first study, has repeatedly stated that McHugh radically misinterpreted her findings. She even agreed to be interviewed on the subject.

transadvocate.com/fact-check-study-shows-transition-makes-trans-people-suicidal_n_15483.htm

>Dhejne: I’ve even seen professors use my work to support ridiculous claims. I’ve often had to respond myself by commenting on articles, speaking with journalists, and talking about this problem at conferences.
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>Of course trans medical and psychological care is efficacious. A 2010 meta-analysis confirmed by studies thereafter show that medical gender confirming interventions reduces gender dysphoria.

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>Dhejne: The aim of trans medical interventions is to bring a trans person’s body more inline with their gender identity, resulting in the measurable diminishment of their gender dysphoria. However trans people as a group also experience significant social oppression in the form of bullying, abuse, rape and hate crimes. Medical transition alone won’t resolve the effects of crushing social oppression: social anxiety, depression and posttraumatic stress.

>What we’ve found is that treatment models which ignore the effect of cultural oppression and outright hate aren’t enough. We need to understand that our treatment models must be responsive to not only gender dysphoria, but the effects of anti-trans hate as well. That’s what improved care means.

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>Dhejne: People who misuse the study always omit the fact that the study clearly states that it is not an evaluation of gender dysphoria treatment. If we look at the literature, we find that several recent studies conclude that WPATH Standards of Care compliant treatment decrease gender dysphoria and improves mental health.

Does she know that you are a closeted gay guy?

You like studies, right? How about one showing that pre-HRT transsexuals who are exclusively attracted to their birth sex have brains which look like a cross between those of men and women, leaning toward the sex they identify as?
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4987404/

>Untreated MtFs and FtMs who have an early onset of their gender dysphoria and are sexually oriented to persons of their natal sex show a distinctive brain morphology, reflecting a brain phenotype. These phenotypes are different from those of heterosexual males or females; the differences affect the right hemisphere and cortical structures underlying body perception. The genesis of these phenotypes might be caused by atypical effects of sex hormones or their metabolites in specific cortical regions of MtFs and FtMs. These effects of hormones on the cortex suggest the hypothesis that brain differences between homosexual MtFs and FtMs and male and female controls are due to differences in the development of the cortex; this hypothesis would imply that the thinning process undergone by some regions of the cortex is timed differently in each phenotype.

>The review of the available data seems to support two existing hypotheses: (1) a brain-restricted intersexuality in homosexual MtFs and FtMs and (2) Blanchard’s insight on the existence of two brain phenotypes that differentiate “homosexual” and “nonhomosexual” MtFs. The studies on the effects of cross-sex hormone treatment on the brain of MtFs and FtMs consistently indicate dramatic effects on the gray and white matter after short- to medium-term treatments but the long-term effects on the brain require evaluation. Finally, the postmortem studies should be interpreted in light of these in vivo findings as well as of their underlying mechanisms.

>things we already knew

Does this study separate the confounding effects of hormones?

Oh does it?
Or should I ask
>Do you think this excuses them from the gas chambers?

really? you stole his thumbnail, it's more retarded mistake than he did

So, cool, birth-sex-attracted transsexuals are basically neurologically intersexed. We've shown that. That the others are not intersexed in the same way means they're just delusional men, right? Nooope.

cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/8/1900.full

>Berglund et al. (2008) tested the response of gynephilic MtF transsexuals to two sex pheromones: the progestin-like 4,16-androstadien-3-one (AND) and the estrogen-like 1,3,5(10),16-tetraen-3-ol (EST). Despite the difference in sexuality, the MtFs' hypothalamic networks activated in response to the AND pheromone, like the androphilic female control groups. Both groups experienced amygdala activation in response to EST. Male control groups (gynephilic) experienced hypothalamic activation in response to EST. However, the MtF subjects also experienced limited hypothalamic activation to EST. The researchers concluded that in terms of pheromone activation, MtFs occupy an intermediate position with predominantly female features. The MtF transsexual subjects had not undergone any hormonal treatment at the time of the study, according to their own declaration beforehand, and confirmed by repeated tests of hormonal levels.

Gynephilic MTFs respond to pheromones in a predominantly female way. Furthermore transsexuals had BSTc the size of the gender they identified, not their birth sex, regardless of orientation.

Epilogue: suck my dick OP only Mizrahim vote for Bibi.

Alright Sup Forums, if you really believe the things you say then here is your chance to help a tranny. I've been struggling with gender for a while and have always wanted to be a girl since childhood. My dad and step father tried killing it but it didn't work.

Now im sitting here trying to sort myself out and have an appointment with a therapist for this soon. If you really believe its all bullshit, save me some money and show me what the absolute truth is. Show me im a deluded retard.