Why do conservatives actively vote against their own interests? They'd be better off voting for democrats typically...

Why do conservatives actively vote against their own interests? They'd be better off voting for democrats typically. They just focus on tangential false flag issues like immigration and abortion. That is how conservatives are controlled by the elite, through these emotionally charged issues

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Why are you assuming we're going to know what you think conservative interests are? Immigration is important to almost all of us here, and no one would discuss politics if it wasn't emotional.

we know who yall are. you bunch of faggots

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>You're too stupid to know what you want goy. Just let (((Us))) tell you what you really need.

I don't know if this is some sort of meme you post any time anyone disagrees with you guys, but I can assure you I'm not part of this group of "yall" and haven't been referred here by anyone. I've been using Sup Forums for years but Sup Forums is just garbage and you're infecting other boards and it's gross.

You are morons

I'd argue most people here are actually pretty left-libertarian. You'd be a fool to entrust the current people in power to create such a world.

saged

>unchecked immigration that increases competion for working class jobs thus decreasing wages
>in anyone's best interest apart from business owners and the DNC

My interests are the government fucking off. Democrats are unlikely to do that anytime soon, so I gamble on people like Trump.

There is no unchecked immigration, it's checked

And Rajesh the neurosugeon isn't taking jobs away from you Billy

WE KNOW YOUR A FUCKING ANTIFA SHILL

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>Act intellectually superior
>Get questioned and insulted
>Answer the insults instead of the questions
Good one.

so its in my interest is to give Pablo and taquen gibs so they can outbreed us and keep turning our society into a third world hellhole ? wow thanks i never knew that

>its checked
so why the fuck are our politicians turning a blind a blind eye to spics pouring over our border illegally you stupid faggot ?

Why do you assume you know what the best interest of conservative voters are?

Why do people who question conservatives voting habits think they know it all when they in reality they are retarded and stink?

Loaded questions for 500 Alex.

Spics pouring over the border illegally are not taking middle class jobs they're taking fruit picker jobs that nobody else will literally do

You tend to be uneducated and poor and heavily reliant on government welfare, but the core values of your base involve defunding public education and government welfare, it's ironic and I just don't know if you guys are aware, so I'm telling you

Democrats just mask plutocracy. It's probably worse desu. I'm a socialist and even understand the failure of raising the minimum wage(for different reasons).

>the working class is dumb unlike us college elites.


Fuck off porky liberal.

I'm not saying the working class is dumb, I'm saying on average conservatives tend to be dumb and live in rural areas.

Rural, conservative areas, are the areas which are most dependent upon government welfare.

Liberal urban havens are the most productive areas of the country and quite frankly you rural voters are leeches upon our tax dollars

>Rajesh the neurosurgeon
>still falling for the educated immigrants meme

>urban cities where consumerism is strongest
>rural areas where the production lays and gives the nation wealth

Again, fuck off porky. Go suck a capitalist cock.

Yes because farmers can pay them less than minimum wage illegally. What about this do you not understand?

Well the average liberal thinks they are smarter than the average conservative.

Also, you are retarded and stink. I like making presumptions too.

The immigrants are working in border states in the hot summer picking fruit without government regulation keeping them safe, if they die of heat exhaustion nobody gets in trouble

Do you want this job? No, you don't, nobody does

I'm from a border state unlike most of you. Numerous times the local news stations have held a "come take this open job position" rally on TV and nobody does it, nobody wants these jobs, literally, only illegals will do them

>implying the dnc isn't made up of ape-tier shitskins and their dnc masters

The average liberal IS smarter than the average conservative. Liberals have higher IQs on average and a higher level of academic success

Ok? If no citizen isn't willing to do a job that means you aren't paying enough.

Immigration brings in cheap workforce from abroad.

Immigration keeps your wages down.

Why do leftards vote for more immigration yet complain about low wages? Are they dumb or something?

You're flipping the script here, do you support a higher minimum wage then to make these businesses pay more to entire people to work for them?

The most important issue of all is gun control, followed by immigration.

But more importantly, no, it's not in the interest of non-rich people to vote for the dems just because they could qualify for more welfare. There are things in life that matter besides welfare.

Those aren't core values. Those are policies. The value you're talking about is self-reliance. Defunding public education is also not a core conservative policy, although it's common for conservatives to be disgusted by the progressive values being pushed on schoolchildren.

Because they wouldn't be better off voting for Democrats.


Democrats quite literally want to erase straight white men from existence and want to destroy your nation.

Neo-Cons will make them poor, not non-existant.

Immigration isn't a relevant issue for conservatives?

>it's not as if immigrants push down wages for working class people
>it's not as if immigrants will vote for non-conservatives nearly 99% of the time
>it's not as if immigrants are a massive fiscal drain and commit loads of crime
>it's not as if conservatives care about preserving culture and demographics
>it's not as if conservatives care about eliminating vectors for drugs and terrorism

You had a point with abortion, but you'd have to be a fucking retard to believe that immigration isn't important.

I don't give a shit about the minimum wage. If you need employees and no legal citizens are willing to do the job you aren't paying enough.

You don't even know what a false flag is.

>Giving away the game 2nd post in

Sad.

>You tend to be uneducated and poor

Trump voters were considerably higher income on average and by median than hillary voters. At least part of that is nigger-skew, but still.

Okay. I'll bite. I'm a Republican who makes $28k a year. I live in the Midwest.

How would the Democrats help me? I sure as hell didn't get any help when Obongo was president for nearly a decade.

If every immigrant was a fucking neurosurgeon, then there wouldn't be illegal immigration, because we'd accept their asses into the country legally you fucking moron. Hell, they'd probably wouldn't even want to immigrate because a country full of neurosurgeons would be a decent place to live.

You assume voting democrat is in conservatives best interest. Factually, that is a silly argument to make as EACH democrat differs on policy and the implementation of said policy. You're probably a 1 post faggot.

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>false flag issues like immigration
immigration redpill thread? immigration redpill thread

>immigration

Immigration is an issue, liberals are just too inept to realize that bringing refugees from a country your bombing is essentially like romans burning rome.

Go research why this has never been practiced in the history of human kind you dumb motherfucking libtard.

You obviously don't get it.

>If illegal immigrants are used as indentured servants who lower market wages for an entire industry, we just need to raise the minimum wage!

Typical over educated idiot.

The former is untrue and the latter is the result of the structure of curriculum and culture, which we are working on.

>Why do conservatives actively vote against their own interests?
Why do liberals always say this shit?

How dare a sovereign country enforce it's laws.

>illegal immigrant count has quintupled since 1980
>agricultural jobs hasn't even doubled since 1980
>construction now pays less now than it did in the 1970s, even before adjusting for inflation

HMMM I WONDER WHOSE JOBS THEY'RE TAKING?

Ugh you people are so fucking short sighted

Immigrants do push down wages but wages aren't the most important thing in the fucking world

If you make slightly lower wages but the country as a whole is better off and you provide more value from your tax dollars who cares?

All you people think about is literal dollar values, you don't understand other costs and benefits

Normally I would call you a troll, but Sup Forums has become so much of normieville now that you very well could be unironically posting this shit.

A lack of actual arguments.

I care more about morals than material possesions.

As an aussie it kind of baffles me. Here in Australia the rural areas typically vote for left wing economic parties because they give more rights to unions and tax breaks to the poor. In the USA they all vote Republican who are basically the rich elite of the USA but buy votes through paying lip service to conservative and traditional American values.

>Why do conservatives actively vote against their own interests?

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>wages aren't the most important thing in the fucking world

Shit like this is exactly why Trump is president you dumb cunt.

>he thinks democraps aren't controlled by the elite

Smarts come in all shapes and forms. THAT is where your shit tier logic fails.

Those 'rural' dumbasses are what make the utopian city paradises work. Lord knows the food that is consumed by metropolitan areas are NOT grown 'in the city' by those oh so smart city slickers.

Book smarts != Smarts

>a more diverse nation
>better off
Kek. Your bait was decent until now.

Fuck off, retard

No, I support allowing the free market to set the price for labor in accordance to American living costs, not to the living standards of desperate illegals from Guatemala. We need neither an excuse for bigger government nor a return to robber baron policies.

I was proposing him a question to tease out his personal views, not saying that's what -I- think

Do you even know how to debate? Retard

>implying Republican Party reduces immigration at all

I care more about liberty and social conservative values than I do about getting a free lunch.

Giving my hard earned money to niggers and spics is not in my interests

you are a idiot, please take a red pill.

I'm not talking about diversity I'm talking about the entirety of the views of conservative politicians, they are harmful to the longterm welfare of this country and the world

Only conservatives deny climate change, remember that. Only conservative deny science, that's what science is.

He will eventually. It happens to all of us. He's clearly just retardedly new.

Ok? What does that have anything thing to do with letting illegals into our country?

Liberty and social conservative values

You know that's an oxymoron right?

If you actually cared about liberty you'd have socially progressive and liberal views

>If you make slightly lower wages but the country as a whole is better off

[citation needed]

Because pushing the middle class into abject poverty makes the entire country better off? Is this the Koch Brothers behind the keyboard? Also, who the hell is going to pay for the $113 billion that illegal immigrants cost the United States? What the fuck does "more value from your tax dollars" mean? I don't consider the destruction of my country to be particularly valuable.

Why do we let the Mexican government get away with not taxing their wealthy, not providing their citizens with services, and encouraging their nation's poor to leech from the American government?

>All you people think about is literal dollar values, you don't understand other costs and benefits

If you like Central America so much, why don't you go live to Tegucigalpa where you can suck all the Guatemalan dick you want?

We live in rural areas because we're smart, you retard lemming

>Republican who are basically the rich elite of the USA

Horse shit they are, The top 1% are a bunch of liberal globalist.

Where the did you even read this lie? The gap between the rich and the poor widen more under Clinton and Obama than any presidents in the last 50 years.

>Only conservative deny science
This
>mfw conservatives deny this science

It's not a big fucking issue, that's what

It affects you by a few fucking percentage points but tax breaks for the rich and a lack of regulation and lobbying for the people affects you more

Do you support businesses using illegals used to third world living conditions to undercut market wages? If so, how do you reconcile your belief in slaves being necessary to the economy with your enlightened liberalism? If not, why are you against enforcing immigration laws?

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>shifts the goalposts from abortion/immigration to climate change

hahahah shill BTFO

sage

$113 billion is nothing compared to the economic tole of not providing easy access to birth control and abortions, not providing health care good enough for people to engage in preventative care checkups instead of only going in at the worst possible scenario to save money, and other such issues

You people don't get it

That's just a political football the Republicans and Democrats throw around to buy votes though. Neither of them are going to get rid of the second amendment and both of them are going to rape you with Patriot Act style legislation.

The Republicans preaching social conservatism is literally just about paying lip service to these values to buy your votes, this is what they do in Australia and in every Democracy.

>it's literally destroying our nation
>not an issue

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>Only conservative deny science

Lol, liberals have been ignoring fetal science for 30 years you jackass.

That's a red herring, liberals think that shit is retarded too

>implying

>You people

Trump and almost all of his ~20 advisors are billionaires, but yeah they're just regular Joe's like you and me

It's not destroying our nation you fucking moron

Stop listening to right wing propaganda, it's doing fucking NOTHING compared to Republicans fucking up the advancement of science and social services

>Only conservatives deny climate change
And for good reason.

You don't think it's a little suspicious that it went from a huge "Global Warming" scare to a huge "Climate Change" scare in the matter of a couple years, because the data wasn't matching up?
That would tell any intelligent person that either these people have no idea wtf they are talking about, or they are purposefully misleading people to further an agenda.

But please continue on telling us how you are so much smarter than us, and know what's best for us.

Illegal labor distorts the labor market and causes almost everybody to be paid less, and illegal labor is key to undermining organized labor. It's already killed several unions. So why do Democrats of today pursue politics that are against the economic interests of working class people?

Lol, liberals generalizing people is fucking hilarious.

>Muh abortions! I was only fucking!

Liberals agree with the general message and hate it for different reasons than conservatives.

Harvard Economist George Borjas: Every 10% increase in immigrant numbers decreases American wages by 3%. The aggregate affect of immigrants on the American economy is to redistribute $430 billion from the working/middle classes to the wealthy by depressing wages.

FAIR: Illegal immigrants cost $113 billion in education, policing, stolen welfare benefits, and other costs.

Somebody has to pay for all of that shit. And it's not going to be me, not if I have anything to say about it, because I'd rather pay for my child's college degree than for some robber baron's slave labor maintenance.

>implying globalist jews dont play both sides

>Why don't you support stealing people's money using threat of violence and imprisonment for my asinine moral world view, because I am truly the arbiter of what issues warrant stealing other people's money.


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t. Fucking Retard

Go earn a paycheck then come back to me with how your stealing in your own interest.

No, I don't think it's suspicious at all, that's how science works

It would be suspicious if they didn't change the view when the data stopped matching up

Do you know anything about the scientific method?

This is absurd, do you know anything about basic chemistry? Did you take a chemistry class in high school? Yes or no I'm serious here, this is a serious question and I suspect you didn't

Demographics aka the make up of your society is an emotionally charged but implied to be trivial issue what?
There might be no single factor more important to a society than its people.
If anything republicans in America don't do enough about it, since obviously they have been suffering an ever greater demographic replacement with no stops.
Their stupid causes for which they always cuck for are bullshit like Israel cock sucking or "muh free market" and the constitution which are all trivial in the grand scheme of things compared to the issues that really matter.

I never even said I was against abortions, though I guarantee that your numbers were pulled out of your ass. $113 billion is still a massive amount of money that we shouldn't have to pay when it's Mexico's responsibility.