Lefypol here, honest question

>Lefypol here, honest question.


Why do so many of you alt-righters, neonazis, and other fascist reactionaries seem to be made up of former libertarians and ancaps?

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It's the natural evolution,
First, the dogmas of inherent debt towards the less fortunate fall, mainly due to the exploration of the welfare system and loss of potential effort.
Then, as time progresses, we realize the markets don't work the way they should and a few people are rigging the whole system, with agendas that despise individuality and the right of peoples to exist, and we lean towards a more transparent and collective way of organizing society as in no effort is wasted in screwing other people up, while maintaining meritocratic systems

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Look at the demographics of lolbertarianism. Something like 94% white, mostly male. Those ideas can only exist in a society cleaned up by Nazis.

I would consider myself a libertarian willing to work with nazis to save the white race. Is this normal after being on Sup Forums for so long?

libertarian is the default "edgy" good goy position on the right

just like how communism is the default "edgy" good goy position on the left.

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Because once you realize there is no such thing as libertarianism and ancap, and that the natural flow of society is only fascist, and communist, you accept that everything in between those two is just temporary bullshit.

Other ideologies do not exist. They are simply means to an end of the fascist or the communist. Democracy, liberalism, etc, only exist for one reason - to allow the war between fascism and communism to continue to be dragged out.
Once you realize this, you simply pick a side.

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I used to be on the left then became a libertarian. I was liberatrian for a while then found this place and now am nat soc.

1) download this song and play it on repeat

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2) look up post-idealism of globalist tools

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also this
That's pretty normal I guess, I started out politically apathetic, then full nazi, and now I'm toning down to about where you are, but with more traditionalism and right wing social values still

Libertarianism isn't a good political ideology. It's a really good philosophical palate cleanser.

An unintended consequence of libertarianism's preferred metrics being put into use, intellectually speaking, is for one to deconstruct a lot of modern sociopolitical conditioning that may have shaped their values and political priorities to some degree. Once those have been worn down, one can more easily move far beyond the pale, either right or left, once they depart from the Libertarian camp.

Same with me, holy shit.

Im still libertarian. It's clearly the best political ideology in existence BUT it has to be in an all white society, no kikes.

Either by morality or pragmatism they realise that democracy is undesirable for libertarian ends.

We thought we could just leave everyone else alone and things would be alright

We underestimated how much everyone else would refuse to leave US the fuck alone

All of you statists on herre hating on lolbertarianism, but wouldn't it work of only males could vote?

Because we start just wanting to be left alone.

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> It's a really good philosophical palate cleanser
Nicely said, I didn't think of it that way before, it's clever though.
Yeah, my best friend went through something similar. He's not a poltard, he reads a fuckkkk load of philosophy and theology. He was raised by Christians, but grew up a nazi loving Germany fetishist. Somehow he ended up becoming a Catholic Corporatist (Catholic fascism) who would rather live in a catholic traditionalist multi-racial society than a white society that's more liberal basically.
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Lolbertarianism only works in homogenous societies. Only when WHITE males can only vote. Specifically tax contributing white males.

>Lolbertarianism only works in homogenous societies. Only when WHITE males can only vote. Specifically tax contributing white males.

so we can do it? we just remove womens vote instead of going full gulag nazi helicopter?

saying that, wouldn't removing womens vote be authoritarian and anti democratic?

Because we just wanted to get along and be left the fuck alone. And then communists and leftists kept trying to fucking tread on us and remove any reasonable avenue of discussion.
And we got fucking tired of it. So we stopped being reasonable.
It's not because of hate. It's because your buddies wouldn't leave well enough fucking alone. You made your bed, now lie in it.

>Cleaned up by Nazis
>Socialists will bring about classical liberalism

Nazis and Marxists are both socialists, who disagree on a few things, like Sunni and Shia muslims are still Islamic.

The right way to do things is to go full right wing Pinochet and remove lefties by force.

>Multi-Racial Catholic Traditionalist society

I don't think thats possible at all.

>Believing Ancaps wouldn't be the first in the ovens

Why are so many of your socialist, made up of former communists and Marxists?

It's because we realise that our extreme ideas aren't well recieved in the real world.

I knew it

Anarchy is the only way to preserve the white race

Democracy sucks dick anyways, the whole point of democracy is to just back and forth between liberalism and cuckservatism until it's all watered down and brings us to where we are today.
Yes, most of our problems WOULD be solved if we stripped women of their rights.
The first and greatest democracy in the world, the one Tocqueville wrote his book about, was one that only let white land owning men vote at the time.
Your problem is you still think of ideas in modern context, and think of your positions as either value A or value B, and not on a spectrum.
Ideas are either good or bad, effective or not, and their impact on society should determine their morality, and only their impact on society, not their stupid fucking labels like "democratic" and "authoritarian".
Democracy sucks horse dick, but Authoritarianism isn't far behind.
Yeah I don't believe it would work either, but muh Jesus.

As long as they want to kill commies, they're my mates

t. fascist

lol

Under anarchy sheep shagging will be legal, that's why you want it

this really, the left's main point is "we should care for everyone" while the right's main point is " I'll determine who I care for."

>was one that only let white land owning men vote at the time.
sounds good theoretically, but you just wait until Soros and all his buddies buy all that land.

Oy vey!

Fpbp
Honesty , I don't think you could explain it better.

Wow, that was very concise and accurate. Well done.

You speak English perfectly for being Portuguese.

>Democracy sucks dick anyways

didn't uk leave eu because EU was anti-democratic?

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This guy knows.

I am still a libertarian, but I realize that it only works when you have an ethnically homogenous population and that multiculturalism spells the end of my ideology.

So basically , though I'll still fight any nazi who tries to make me submit to them by force

this, would happily go full nazi if it means physically removing all muslims, jews and commies. or just religion altogether

>implying the nazis of Sup Forums aren't actually just libertarians and ancaps LARPing as nazis for shits and giggles.

Leftists are the real facists

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See my name.
Also it's because of the natural cycle of Civilization.

Obvious shill thread.
Daily reminder that Sup Forums is an intellectual hurt-box for those who lurked it. It's like this statement in this picture. Once you've stared into the naked truth, it'll stare back and everything you've just saw cannot be erased.

this is an actual honest answer.

Fpbp

>when you realize libertarians are technically less freedom oriented than national socialists since national socialists believe in equal voting rights for men and women, as in none, while libertarians cucks itt are speaking of unequal voting rights

>when you realize libertarians/ancaps are the biggest larpers with quotes like this when even Hitler wouldn't be that cringy while having tens of millions of commie deaths under his belt

They left because it was communist and the UK wasn't.

Because we grew up, got wiser to how things really are and realized the lefty hype about utopian multicultural societies was a scam.

tl;dr WE GREW UP

It's just an incendiary rhetorical device to show how all statist and collectivist systems are equally cancerous.

The concept of race/tribe is literally as collectivist as can get.

If fascism gets to power, i'm offering a special "business class" gas chamber for ancaps and libertarians. They willl be in the oven even before the jews themselves.

This is true but there is a difference between free individuals choosing to bond together over common interests, versus that imposed by the state under threat of force. Read rothbards anatomy of the state, or hayeks the road to serfdom, if youre interested.

First post best post.

>if fascism gets to power
You'll sit on your arse and count your shekels like you always have, bergjuden

>Read rothbards anatomy of the state, or hayeks the road to serfdom

both debunked

Id say Im a Libertarian but I would be for a dictator as long as he represented my interests. Anyone else like this?

A content-free post which will be ignored like the garbage that it is. Provide an actual argument if you have one, or be silent.

Actually no. Harming other animals with blood to spill and a nervous system to experience pain is objectively verifiable by basic logic, but that's your problem if you want to be a walking grave of other beings.

See pic related. Most of the Anarchy movement is a CIA co-op because they think its necessary to put in authoritarianism, when in fact that is called chaos, not anarchy. Anarchy is when a society, in whole, has complete understanding of objective, moral integrity and the natural laws the creator has endowed us with, and does not need an overarching monopoly on violence to enforce arbitrary dictates. Its cool if you don't understand, most people here still have unresolved mommy and daddy issues, parental and cosmic abandonment problems that want mommy government to love them and daddy government to protect them. You don't. Just get a band of brothers together and start executing communists, leftists, pedophiles, and other human trash if you can defend or hide yourself from the current people in power.

I assume you make the exact same reply when some ancap autist says they are going to throw someone from an imaginary helicopter.

Oh wait, never seen you doing that. Cognitive dissonance?

>Ayn Rand
>Anything to do with ancap
That's objectivism

Why would free individuals choose to bond together, common interests cannot be shared by tens of millions of people. The sect of society which will attempt to stray from the path then must be forced otherwise. Thus authoritarianism.

This is a consistent problem I see with libertarians/ancaps in that they seem to have this idea that everyone will just choose to work together, almost like communists believe that if only everyone chose to live a certain way that things will work perfect.

With the amount of unanimous support both ideals require it would be just as easy to say both ancap and marxist socialism work equally as effectively as in their ideal society almost everyone is in agreement.

My ideal situation is winning the power of government either just barely or forming coalition as Hitler did in order to barely achieve a majority government. Then to use the power of the state that you now control to enact policy over the rebellious masses of which can be anywhere from 1% to 50% of the nation.

There simply does not exist a real situation where you don't have close to half the nation opposes your ideology. So again, thus authoritarianism.

Provide your sources or stfu

Libertarianism/Anarcho-Capitalism is a transitional ideology for people who haven't figured out what they hold sacred and valuable or at least haven't thought about the negative consequences of their facile and autistic view of the world. If you enforce morality then you're not a Libertarian. Either you haven't figured out the down side or you're too degenerate and amoral to care.

This is entirely correct. Minarchism (far right) and Communism (far left) are slavery at different degrees.

In the future, successful societies will be known as voluntary contributionist systems. This destroys all subhuman parasitic jews and niggers.

>want to live in a free and fair society independent of oppressive state restrictions
>realize that Jews and nignogs will always oppose this goal, and we have to physically remove them from our nation in order to live peacefully

>this destroys jews
>except jews have the highest average iq in the world so why would they suffer in a completely free market system

I've been seeing this same thread nearly every day. My first thought was maybe leftypol is shilling. But these threads seem to actually bring us together.
t. ancap

I still am a libertarian, just a right wing one. Libertarianism sort of prepares you for the far right. Principled libertarians already hold controversial views on taboo subjects like civil rights and egalitarianism and are used to being hated by the political mainstream. The conversion usually happens when they realize that only white males actually give a shit about freedom.

You fail to account for the possibility that other sovereign beings wish you to die even if you have no intention to hurt them, because they gain more resources that way. You also don't account for ingroup and outgroup behavior, natural hierarchy, and gender roles. Anarchy isn't sustainable, and even if it were, it would be a living nightmare of perversion and moral decay.

Somalians do too

Because you commies wouldn't leave us alone, now it's time to hang

Nope. You attempted to silence debate without providing an argument. Talking about throwing people out of helicopters is different--you have such a shallow and inferior understanding of logic that you conflate your own attempt to baselessly end debate with memery.

Now this is important: I have just humiliated you. Utterly. This is a BTFO of epic proportions and you have been defeated so effortlessly that, in your position, I would leave and never post again. You lack the self awareness to come to this conclusion, however, which is evident by the fact that you attempted this pitiful endeavor in the first place. Because I am a better man than you morally in addition to being better informed and more intelligent, I will ask you again: Provide an argument so that you can repair your embarrassingly shattered position, or continue to be humiliated.

You're absolutely correct. The trouble with such a society is the fact that we are no longer a homogeneous society. The West is full of violent leeches that require vast amounts of social infrastructure to survive. Said leeches are welcomed by a power structure which depends on them for the votes which they generate (all immigrants tend to vote left).

At this point in our societal existence, Libertarianism isn't an effective method of getting rid of the leeches. We have to move FAR right to do that, then once we are rid of the problem, we can move towards libertarianism and the evolution of humanity.

I think the world should be divided in to two ideologies.
The old world will preserve the white people and culture of western civilization, while the new world will be a new opportunity deal.

There is no such thing as a right wing Libertarian.
What do you have against Fascism?

Honest answer

>Pic

Hoppe truly is /ourguy/

The jews really need to be exterminated, tbqh.

Libertarianism would work with a homogeneous White society. However, the West is no longer White, and Libertarianism will not be effective at removing nonWhites. Only a rigid form of government can do that, and THEN we can start transitioning towards Libertarianism once the troublesome population is gone.

>In a departure from traditional Western political theory that is reminiscent of left‐wing anarchism, contemporary libertarianism rejects the necessity of making political choices based on a value hierarchy, instead claiming that it is possible for all individuals to pursue their divergent values simultaneously—as long as each respects the equal rights of others to do the same. The caveat, however, hides a conflict of loyalties that would plague a libertarian society: on the one hand are the particular loyalties of one's preferred Utopian community; on the other hand, loyalty to the larger “framework for utopias”; within which one's utopia exists. The second loyalty implies a value relativism incompatible with the first one, meaning either that loyalty to the libertarian framework will undermine the utopias within it, or that the particular values of the utopias will destabilize the libertarian framework. The durability of a libertarian society, then, requires a mentality best characterized as nihilistic. In this, libertarianism differs from liberalism but is surprisingly similar to the cultural diversity movement. The thesis is illustrated by examining John Gray's attempt to eschew both a hierarchy of values and moral relativism.

Really makes you wonder.

Oh hoppe libertarianism can use force - remember this is rw libertarianism, but the tools to enforce are privately owned, not provided by the state. Covenants provide for commonality of purpose. See quote in pic related. How to accomplish this is outlined in hopes the private production of defense. full text link available here

libertarianright.org/reading/

This.

The snake meme is real, and is true for just about every major libertarian philosopher too that began to see past their idealism and understand that we are facing an evil that must be stopped with coercion if necessary.

>republic rio de la plata
>not, Republic of the Captain General Augusto Pinochet.

>The right way to do things is to go full right wing Pinochet and remove lefties by force.

Agreed. Then, and ONLY then, can we transition to an effective, efficient Libertarian society.

Anarchy isn't sustainable you fucking retarded nog. It is simply the natural state of a human being, of course a society isn't run by "anarchy". There has to be a hierarchy and social structure. Why did I say "voluntary contributionism"? The greater your contribution to the betterment of humanity, the greater your rewards and any criminal punishments should be also. But you should also be able to leave at any time, because if Ancapistan 1 made a change you don't like you go to the neighboring city and Ancapistan 2 and pay your subscription fee there. Read what I type.

>the jews are just capitalists

except that's not true. jews are globalist corporatists, they are very much anti-capitalist

How does libertarianism prepare you for the far right? I am alien to this perspective. I started out as a democratic socialist but as I realized my people are going extinct I adopted ethnic nationalist ideals and just easily made the transition to national socialism like a final piece of puzzle that fit perfectly.

>When the first post of the thread is also inherently the best post of the thread

I think what they are referring to is the Rockefeller capitalism, which is indeed anti capitalist for everyone but the elite.

>no such thing as rw libertarianism
>rockwell, von mises, hoppe

Re fascism - you trust the state and it's apparatus? States, all states, will always seek to expand their power, and exist to serve politicians - not the peoples - interests.

I need to make some more ancap smuggie OC, perhaps one exposing the double standard of dismissing their non-argument posts as ""memery"" (a word you existed to sound intelligent) whilst political opponents have the burden of having to construct essay-length posts in order to warrant a *proper* response (which would invariably contain "Read some Hoppe" or "Get into the helicopter xDDDddd")

I know you're trying to bait an emotional reaction out of me but I'm afraid I was an ancap when I was 16 and 17, so one could say I'm immune to your sophistry and anti-intellectualism.

That just following the political cyclic spectrum: Strong Men (Nazi/NatSoc) create an environment for Good Times (Libertarians)
This is I guess why I am okay with most of my Libertarian friends: Molina Labe is the true end goal of 1488 but it can only be sustained in a high trust homogenous society

The lack of any notable political leaders from the Libertarian Right is mainly due to this: a society capable of sustaining those ideas would have emerged had the Axis succeeded but we all know how that turned out

Anarchists and Ancaps are pro fascist, pro communism, and pro minarchism as long as you can leave at any time and everyone agrees to be there. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

If you think we are neonazis, you are wrong from the start.

Alt-Right = alliance of almost all right wing ideologies around a common denominator, nationalism. What you the left hate most


You marxists are the new fascists and cowards for being masked

>Oh wait, never seen you doing that

prove that he never did that
provide us with a list of all posts that user has made on Sup Forums

go ahead

LURK MOAD

lacking monopoly on violence leads to civil war and foreign intervention

not either but Libertarianism is like perpetual fence sitting. You either decide to put some of what you believe into action moving towards the right or you die of old age and fall off the post

I'm a former anarcho-communist. I came to the alt-right when I realized that it's corporations that are the problem, not small businesses. That, and FBI Table 43.