Scotland can't afford to be independent

>Scotland can't afford to be independent
Please tell me nobody actually believes this political non sequitur and downright lie?

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Welfare junkies

If you want to be a Greece tier shithole, go for it.

Dont you pay taxes to England?
Or is England sending you money?

You can't afford enough Internet to keep this thread alive.
How do you possibly manage to become independent? No one outside of Scotland drinks irn bru or eats battered Mars bars anymore, braveheart.

They steal our tax money, fisheries, oil, gas, farmland, quarries, soldiers, self-determination, and they throw us some pennies (far less than we pay in) and say we should be grateful for their enslavement of us. Oh, and they dump their entire unstable nuclear arsenal within killing range of our two largest cities and most of our population - buy hey, you hsould be grateful for the 6k jobs. Cancerous rasts tbqh senpai.
Only the English watch braveheart as a means of triggering themselves. I hadn't actually seen it til 4 months ago when I watched it abroad with foreign friends who told me it was a great film.

Hardly triggering, who really won in the end?
>muh fisheries
>muh oil
You use that oil to batter your fish.

>implying you also don't eat battered fish you mong

I love how Scotland wants independence from the UK just to take it up the ass from the EU.

Can't remember the last time I had battered fish lad.

What is a 'Scotland'
Anyone care to explain?

SUSSEX PRIDE WORLD WIDE
STAB THE MERCIANS SAXON WAR NOW

Every time I say this to indy supporters, they always give me some shit about how they'll stop supporting the SNP once they get independence so that they don't go into the EU, but they don't seem to realise that if Scotland becomes independent, the SNP will become the ruling party for quite a while and will take them back into the EU whether they like it or not.

Most Scots disagreed in 2014 during the referendum

We could have with oil money. That's gone.

>soldiers

Scottish Regiments are so badly recruited that they're the destination for all Commonwealth soldiers. They have the worst fitness levels in the Infantry. Scots Guards are recruiting as far south as Sheffield because there are few Scots fit enough to meet their standards.

No one wants the drug addled wretches or their bizarre sectarian politics and would rather recruit people from desert islands instead

Och vey! Good goy. Kill your brethren. Serve the people of Israel!

I want the Scots out and a wall built. For too long have they been bitching and moaning. its just become to much.
>pic related

>Free shit for everyone
>Oil worth nothing
>Didn't have much oil anyway
>Utterly dependent on the Westminister tit

Fuck off Jock, you'll be the first to jump the wall for your smack bennies

It's some kind of cognitive dissonance that the Scottish electorate is increasingly open to leaving the UK and rejoining the EU. Congratulations, you've gone from being 10% of a country to being 1% of a continental union that will likely federalise in your lifetime now that the UK is out. Finally Scotland will be free, with the political clout of Slovakia.

>far less than we pay in

>veto on every decision
>independence of media and most home and foreign affairs
>less significant than now
yeahhh nahhh.

HAHAHAHA Independence on media and home affairs? in the EU. get fucked and stop talking out of your arse, one hair out of line and your heroin money gets cut off.

Wewwww calm down son.

>veto on every decision
This goes both ways. A decision can be theoretically negotiated by Scotland for months and then fucking Wallonia, half of a member state, can veto it.

>independence of media and most home and foreign affairs
"Most" home and foreign affairs. EU member states have fuck all autonomy as far as negotiating any independent trade deals are concerned. And enjoy Brussels forcing austerity on you like Greece.

>less significant than now
You really would be, especially when the EU federalises. Scotland has less people than Paraguay and slightly larger GDP than Iraq. You will be less significant than you would be as part of the UK.

Every argument I've seen for this ridiculous quit-the-UK-join-the-EU scenario could be applied to a Federal UK just as well. Stop pretending you have economic concerns and just admit you hate England.

>tfw Spain and Britain has now more everything in common than ever before

Good luck

EU will be glad to pump them with cash just to fuck with the brits

How would pumping scotland with cash fuck us? if anything it will just make the gibmedat niggers flock to scotland and make a wall get built between us. IF the SNP get their Independence and join the EU they will bend over backwards for the EU and accept any1 in

>How would pumping scotland with cash fuck us?
You'd lose Scotland for example? Jezaz...

>inb4 finnally we get rid of those shitty people
Who the fuck wants less land

>inb4 finnally we get rid of those shitty people
Thats the whole point for me, i want rid of those shitty people because they are fucking shitty. Nothing but gibmedat niggers.

Rebuild Hadrian's wall

Scotland should be independent. i do not oppose a free Scotland.
go for it lads, hope you do well afterwards, we're still friends.

i'm from yorkshire btw, so im not a southern snob like

I hate that England overrules me. I hope my insignificance in this union which overpowers us. I don't hate English people for being from and living in southern Britain. That being said - the land above the wall is rightfully ours.

Richard of York was the one true king, the North remembers you fucking swine Lancaster.

They can afford to be independent. Of course they can. There's no "You must be this tall to ride" type thing about independence and wealth.

Whether they will be financially better or worse off after independence is a whole other question.

i think they'll do fine, and we'll do fine too. they're practically independent already. we dont subsidize them, we take their money.

Doesn't like to be ruled over so leave the UK to just fuck up the ass by the EU

Whats going on in this thread? I hear there's gibs?

Scotland's entire economic plan after independence was 'MUH OIL'.
Luckily for them, they voted to remain just before the price of oil plummeted.

>braveheart ... foreign friends who told me it was a great film.
‘Braveheart’—a film made by an Australian-accented, Vietnam War-dodging Yank, filmed in Ireland with mainly Irish actors, and one of the few Scottish actors plays… an Irishman! Unhistorical garbage:
‘Braveheart, Fact or Fiction’ by Ewan J. Innes, MA(Hons Scot. Hist.) FSA Scot ‘… Mel Gibson’s portrayal of William Wallace was in the 1995 film Braveheart. The short answer is that is hasn’t an iota of fact in it. …’ scottishhistory.com/articles/independence/braveheart.html
‘“Historians from England will say I am a liar,” says Mel Gibson in the voiceover. Yup, says Alex von Tunzelmann’ theguardian.com/film/2008/jul/30/3
‘Braveheart Errors: An Illustration of Scale’ by Sharon L. Krossa, Medieval Scotland medievalscotland.org/scotbiblio/bravehearterrors.shtml
No.2 in the ‘The 10 most historically inaccurate movies’ (The Times, August 4, 2009) web.archive.org/web/20110615070116/http:/entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article6738785.ece
(And for laughs, Stewart Lee’s take on Wallace and Braveheart: youtube.com/watch?v=tHA1ufmLZQY)

The Scottish government has already admitted this by not accepting the devolved tax raise/spend powers and their refusal to have the Barnett formula scrapped, they already run a budget deficit higher than Greece, along with the drop in oil price they are fucked.

So it's not a matter of "believe" it's a fucking fact you retard.

I am the bishop of East Anglia.

England should genocide everything north of the Tweed rather than ever let Scotland go

This. Also, the SNP would be the ones writing the constitution, and they will be sure to rig it as far as they can get away with to ensure their nearly perpetual rule (just as they rigged the electorate in 2014 by giving 16 year old schoolies the vote along with their precious EU citizens, while denying the vote to Scots who had temporarily or permanently moved elsewhere within our Kingdom).
>It's some kind of cognitive dissonance that the Scottish electorate is increasingly open to leaving the UK and rejoining the EU.
No, it’s not. The SNP are just a noisy minority: they represent barely a third of the Scottish electorate in Westminster, and little more than a quarter in Holyrood. Stop paying the squeaky wheel so much attention.

Jisses. Someone is ultra-triggered. What did Mel Gibson do to you goys?
Regardless of the film, William Wallace is Scotland's national hero, and it was good to see a film made about him. I would have preferred if it were more serious and historically accurate - it would have been great -, but maybe that's something we can do soon. As well as reake Master & Commander so that Jack Aubrey is actually Thomas Cochrane - the Scottish seaman from whom his trademark trickery and cunning were derived.
Everything is better in Scotland.. mm-yes.

Scottland has an army?

Och vey, lost israelite brethren. We are your second greatest ally. Send us your tax smackeroonies.
We have slave regiments used as cannon fodder by the English army.

I understood nothing from your post. What the fuck does that even mean?

>, אחי אבודים ישראלים. אנחנו ברית הברית השנייה שלך. שלח לנו smackeroonies המס שלך. יש לנו גדודים עבדים המשמשים בשר תותחים על ידי הצבא האנגלי.
better?

No, the language is not the problem. The sentences aren't even remotely related to eachother. Rephrase please, mate.

Wallace is a hero, and thanks to people like him, we were not submerged into a Greater England as Wales was, but were able to enter our glorious British Union on our own terms. The film ‘Braveheart’, however is a travesty of history, and only appeals to SNP’ers--not Scots.
Mel Gibson is trash and wouldn’t know a fact if an entire set of the Encyclopaedia Britannica fell on him, as demonstrated by his equally inaccurate ‘The Patriot’ (theguardian.com/film/2009/jul/22/the-patriot-mel-gibson-reel-history) and ‘Apocalypto’ (youtube.com/watch?v=U5pBZKj1VnA).

>being that triggered by Braveheart, which literally nobody in Scotland watches nor talks about
>'we'
yerrrrr... nah...
The fact is that presently, we're a nation and
ethnicity and culture without leadership and with our balls hanging comfortably on the neckchain of whichever English party you choose to govern us. We are totally cucked and for shame I can't live with it anymore. No matter the cost. Freedom.
You don't know about the terrible shoah of the ten tribes shlomo? Smackeroonie = comedy proposed currency for Scotland; my friend actually designed and manufactured commemorative smackeroonie coins lol. Regiment = a unit within an army. Cannon fodder = frontline expendables.

Learn history you dumb fuck

>>'we'
>yerrrrr... nah...
Yes, ‘we’, Paddy… or is it Ahmed? Pic related--regular cut-price United Nations, hardly a Jock in sight.
>Learn history you dumb fuck
You first, twat.

Why do you guys always ignore that southwestern peninsula. What the hell I going on? Peninsulas are sweet.

>Yorkshire has a higher GDP than Scotland

Yes

>muh oil

>oye me medeevol kingdum deveeesions
I WANT TO FÙCK ME SHEEP ALÔÔN

You'd think that the rest of the UK would be keen to get rid of a country that just takes, takes, and takes some more. Unless....

You certainly should be independent. You are very much your own country with your own culture and a good one at that. If you do go independent you almost definitely will loose out financially but realistically why should that stop you? I work in higher education and i'm fully aware of the hits that are likely because of brexit but I still voted for it because I'd rather be poorer and not ruled by Germany.

I was very surprised that you guys voted against independence and against brexit.

It's very disappointing to see that gibs are more important than self rule to so called proud Scots.

New film (see pic).
Also, ‘Braveheart’ the romcom: youtube.com/watch?v=T7fOpTll1Vg

> och vey
t. McGonnaberg

Genuinely dont see all the hatred in this thread.
I support a fully Independent Scotland, but also love the shit out of England as a neighbour.
I just think we have the right to self determination and self governance.
Would be nice to have our own place on the map.

>love the shit out of
how much of a cuck do you need to be to write crap like this?

>I was very surprised that you guys voted against independence and against brexit.
1,018,322 of us voted for Brexit—can you ask whoever currently has the family braincell to borrow it for a while so that, however briefly, you can experience the feeling of not being a low-information schmuck who can’t read beyond a headline.
Some of us understand loyalty and respect the shared sacrifice of our fellow Britons, past and present; and we are loyal to our English, Welsh and Northern Irish brothers whom we have stood beside, fought and suffered beside, for over 400 years.

Judging by what you've just said I doubt you will ever been loved.
Take your piss stain comment somewhere else.

>Lie

The oil price has hit rock bottom
If you leave you take your share of the debt
Currently you get more per head than anywhere else in the UK
You also get free prescriptions and uni because the rest of the country pays for it
All military bases will move back to England/Wales leading to a loss of jobs
No pound for you

But really you can be independent if you want to be, you just might go broke doing it

Scotland is so fucking confused atm...

>wants to leave political union with UK, wherein it has democratic influence over lawmakers
>wants to stay member of union with EU, wherein it has no democratic influence over lawmakers

WHY, SCOTLAND?

>quoting people who died at war
>posting pic of people dying at war
>voted out of the single thing which has kept Europe at peace for 75 years
Am I supposed to laugh?

>loyal to our English
Wewwwww get a load of this goy. YOu made me chuckle... I'm 1/4 english - will you suck my cock bitch boy?

What are they going to survive on? scotch whisky sales?

That's about the only thing Scotland has going for it.

Globalism is the future.
Not because anyone in particular is promoting it.
Just because technology is slowly erasing the lines between nations.
Oh, go ahead and stick your fingers in your ears, shout "LALALALALALA", but the single world global village is getting closer and closer, a day at a time, whether anybody likes it or not.

You're literally a fucking prison desert island with kangaroos and koalas

We're the greatest country in the world, cunt.

>ends his sentence with Scottish word
cunt.

gday fckin mate cunt spiders n shit? sharks snakes? abbos mate love em gday

>WHY, SCOTLAND?
Scotland ≠ SNPland. 1,018,322 Scots voted Leave and because we didn’t stay home is the reason Leave won. Also, the SNP’s mandate in Westminster derives from barely a third of the Scottish electorate (35.52%) and in Holyrood littler more than a quarter (25.85% on Constituency vote and 23.26% on Region vote). Again: Scotland ≠ SNPland.
>I'm 1/4 english
A quarter English and three-quarters loyal to Brussels. Piss off, Quisling.

You're losing and you can feel it.

would rather be loyal to brussels than a PM that books "childrens partys" and takes no questions from the public.
Ontop of that, refuses to debate her rivals.
:^^)

>we want to be independent (from the English)
>we still want to depend entirely on our EU masters
t. Scotcucks

>Anglos going for brexit is ok
>Scots going for Scotxit form uk is bad

anglo logic everyone

>want want to be independent of our English slavemasters
>we want to join an equal organisation (veto system!) in which we can trade, cooperate and thrive
ftfy

>implying Scotland has anything to offer
>implying you don't just want all the gibs

>would rather be loyal to brussels
Of course you would: you’re a Quisling, we’ve established that.

Permanent check on England.

Reminder that Scotland had to beg England to let let them become part of the United Kingdom because they are terrible at economics and bankrupted themselves after the Darien scheme.
If Scotland were to leave the UK, it would be another Calexit situation. Give it a few days, and they will be groveling at England's feet to join the the union again.

Not really. With indyref the argument for "no" was that "Scotland will be poorer" and the argument for "yes" was "we won't be poorer muh northsea oil"

Every one realised that they would be poorer so they lost.


The remain argument for brexit was "the UK will be poorer"

The leave argument for brexit was "yeah we might be poorer but we'll probably be okay because the UK is awesome and so what if we are at least we won't be ruled by unelected euro cucks trying to floor our country with gypsys and rapefugees"

So leave won.

Scotlands argument fails because devolution means they have a lot of self rule so the "ruled by the tories" bullshit never works because everything they bitch about they now decide themselves and the "we'll have more money" argument falls apart because it's not true especially when the north sea is becoming more and more difficult to drill due to oil reserves at high depths.

Wessex represent niggas!

> Yes Goy you are being oppressed
> Leave your kingdom, goy. Join the (((European Union)))
> This is real nationalism isn't it

>tell me nobody actually believes this political non sequitur and downright lie?
they could go back behind the wall

Where in Sussex brother? My family has a farm on the Sussex/Hampshire border

I'm on the border too

>the strong should fear the weak

>They steal our tax money
No, you're subsidized to the tune of £450 per person per year from England

>fisheries
They're owned by private businesses and corporations

>oil
Owned by private businesses and corporations

>farmland
Owned by private businesses and corporations

>quarries
Owned by private businesses and corporations

>soldiers
Private volunteers who are overwhelmingly in favour of remaining in the UK, and whose regiments are full of Commonwealth citizens because Scotland cannot fill them

>self-determination
MUH FREEDOOOOM

Seriously though you're overrepresented in Commons and have your own devolved Parliament, something England and 90% of the UK population does not have.

>they dump their entire unstable nuclear arsenal within killing range of our two largest cities
Confirmed for retard

It's not the entire arsenal, it's definitely not unstable, and they don't just "go off", they need to be activated in a very secure procedure. So secure that you blow up a nuclear missile and it wouldn't cause any damage bar the tiny primer explosive going off

It's clear you drank the SNP propaganda koolaid that is against private ownership, because, y'know, they're fucking deranged socialists. The idea of Scottish independence hasn't existed in mainstream politics for 300 years, and only exists now because some fucking psychos are using it to gain popular support and power, so they can turn Scotland into a socialist shithole that leeches off of the EU

As long as one English foreigner has a say over how I live my life, I don't care the cost, I want my freedom.

good FUCK OFF and vote to leave this time.

Taxpayers in England and Wales pay out of their own pockets to keep your smelly mob in irn bru and cheap smack.

Eh I don't know lads, if Scotland becomes a poverty stricken shithole immigrants won't get gibs and they'll fuck off.

You hate that England overrules you despite having more MPs than your population should otherwise allow and the fact that you have a devolved Parliament? But it's fine that some fucking slavs in the middle of nowhere can grind any deals Scotland brokers with the EU to a halt?

England is far less foreign to Scotland than any EU member state, and the fact you think people in the same country with the same language, history, and culture are foreign shows just how Sturgeon has indoctrinated the people of Scotland and has them sucking her fat, greasy cock

>and have your own devolved Parliament
Count yourself lucky--we need to end Devolution. It is an expensive failure, and was the wrong model (in Scotland, it’s allowing the SNP to create North Korea under the noses of Westminster). But the UK once enjoyed genuine devolution, similar to the oft-touted Swiss-model, based not on remote regional or county authorities but on our towns and cities (boroughs); a system of highly autonomous, self-financed local government with each borough in complete charge of their own hospitals and police, and until 1911, welfare as well. For further reading, see Lord Stoddart, Lords Hansard, at column 1309 publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200203/ldhansrd/vo030220/text/30220-09.htm

>UK taking a financial hit to leave the EU, not that it isn't worth it.
>Scotland thinks it can do fine on it's own
Toppest laugh.

Lets not get into the hornets nest that is your actual ABILITY to run yourself, you all vote fucking SNP, says plenty.