"Marx was right." - Richard Spencer

What did the leader of the Alt-Right mean by this, Sup Forums?

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wtf I love Stalin now

he was though. If he was wrong there would have been no revolution

We can be right wing socially and economically leftist.

WTF?

The soviet union had a huge undifferentiated underclass ruled by a corrupt, scheming nomenclatura overclass of party memebers.

capitalism is what created differentiation. WTF do you think counter cultures were?

Sup Forums is anti-capitalism, buddy.

>We can be the most full retard of all political ideologies

We CAN, sure, but why would we want to again?

>What did the leader of the Alt-Right mean by this, Sup Forums?
Do you not recognize sarcasm when you see it?

Can he just leak his noodz already

All this commie filth in this thread...

I hope all you supposed WN realize Hitler went after the commies along with the Jews.

Poll is a Marxist board, buddy

go back to T_D

marx was correct in his criticism but incorrect in his prescription

>We can be right wing socially and economically leftist

Uhh...what? Can you give some examples of this?

Reminder that capitalism along with Marxist-Leninism are Jewed.

Yes, that said, communism/socialism is not the correct solution, Capitalism and Communism are the enemy. Kind of strange how very few ever present anything than a false left right paradigm or the illusion you must choose between one or the other.

Adolf Hitler's Warning
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Jewess admitting that Jews are behind the push for multiculturalism in Europe:
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Goebbels on the International Jew:
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Why did Hitler hate Jews?
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Adolf Hitler - "You Said I Was A Dreamer"
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Oswald Mosley - Europe Lives and Marches On
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Britain Reborn
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Truth Will Triumph
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Goebbels: Is it Pagan?
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Hermann Göring: The 300 Spartans
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Jews edit Wikipedia
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Hitler - What is Europe?
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Churchill and organized Jewry
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Mr. Bond - Fascist
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The Red Pillers - Mr. Rightside
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Blink 1488 - The Jew
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Mr. Bond - Sieg Heil

that makes no sense

Reminder that a Communist Utopia is an unobtainable jewish lie so you'll give up your power and then "fake communism" happens everytime.

I think he means in an anti-crony capitalism kind of way. That's why he said kinda. Shouldn't have said it like that but twitter is gay.

>eceleb
if you're following any of them, you deserve what's coming to you

Yes it does.

>they think I'm one of them now
>I'll ease in the communism
>sounds of hand rubbing intensifies in the dark corner of the room

it's called national socialism retards

>Uhh...what? Can you give some examples of this?

DDR, Korea, South africa, Singapore etc

He's right. Late stage capitalism leads to social alienation, mostly through the technology it creates and the social orders it requires. The internet has exacerbated things considerably when it comes to societal fragmentation.

The solution to this is not an increase of state power, however. Ultimately we will see a disintegration of the nation state as a method for societal organization. Probably sometime in the next century.

>alt-right
Get out shill

>leader of the Alt-Right

claiming this was an error

>WTF Richard Spencer can think independently and doesn't subscribe to my mega-corporate capitalist mindset that my Jewish masters have been feeding me all my life
>WTF RICHARD!!!

what a faggot.

ITT: retards who believe he is advocating for communism.
Newsflash kiddos: Marx got some things right, and some thing wrong.

Depending on certain peoples interpretation - Stalinism, Maoism, Juche and Ba'athism.

Fascism is in the center with some variants being more to the right, and others to the left. National socialism out of all the other fascist doctrine is probably the furtherest to the right with possibly Francoism being the exception. Strasserism and Falangism are pretty leftist economically.

uhh....fuck he's actually onto something

crony capitalism is cancer and i don't know why the fuck you guys support it. it's a large part of the reason why the west is so shit today. "dude free market open borders lmao" policies have been destructive to this nation and it's people. it's why there's outsourcing, lack of jobs for citizens, deficits, and wasted tax revenue.

>Walk into bar.
>Sit down next to Marx.
>He tells you all the evils of the world, famine, war, hatred, crime, poverty, and on and on.
>You say Marx why are you telling me this?
>He says he's a writer and to buy his book for $20 and it will literally solve all of those problems once and for all.

What do?

Capitalism is literally the only viable system for an economy. NatSoc is a fucking meme. Hitler's economy would've fucking crashed if he didn't wage war. But most of you retards will just call me a jew or something because you are too blinded to realize this. You would unironically pick communism and as you fucking starved you would think
>at least the jews didn't create this system so take that JEWS! I'm WINNING!
because you are all fucking retards. I fucking despise this place sometimes, you ffucking faggots spit on the system that brought food, shelter and prosperity to this nation.

Except Richard actually has (kinfa moderate actually) original talking points, which alt lite cucks don't.
>inb4 8gagposting

Marx was correct about many of the flaws of capitalism. He just had the wrong solution.

>The last capitalist we hang shall be the one who sold us the rope. -- Karl Marx

As we've seen with outsourcing, open borders and other policies pushed by business interests that harm the average citizen, capitalism doesn't give a shit about our country. That still is no excuse for becoming commies.

Capitalism vs. communism is a boomer-era meme and no one here should still identify with it. Libertarians and an-caps can take their autism somewhere else.

>what did he mean by this
>immediately proceeds to explain what specifically he means by this

They call it National Socialism for a reason

He's not wrong.

Exactly.

Pol has always been pro-Marx.


Trumpkins r*ddit plz leave.

this

WTF I hate Czar Nicholas II now!

He meant that he's a meaty breasted plant.

It kind of sucks because hitler style natsoc policies are obviously not the right solution because it's not sustainable barring victory in a war, communism obviously doesn't work, but capitalism is falling apart at the seams right now. So what system is there? What system for the future? Capitalism is not sustainable if it continues the trajectory it's going.

Marx and Engels were opposed to mass immigration. I know one communist who is fully read on everything communism and he is a pure Irish nationalist, anti-SJW or 'gaystapo' as he calls them.

He hates this word 'cultural marxist' because he believes Marx would shot these people in the head and pissed on their graves.

Here is something he sent be which Engels wrote about the mass immigration of the Irish people in Britain. Engles says they are used by the elite to drive down wages and lower the standard of living for the natives. Not only that - but that they would destroy the character of English towns.

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This guy tells me he speaks to real commies in Eastern Europe and they are opposed to all this multicultural open-borders crap.

We look back on where it failed and fix it. Capitalism isn't perfect, but it's definitely the best system we have currently. For one, we have to stop the cronyism. I have a few ideas how but it's late as shit right now and that's for a whole different thread.

National Socialism, not (((Marxist))) Socialism: youtube.com/watch?v=F95gJERM3nc

But yeah the amount of complexity in economic variables alone makes dirigisme a joke. NatSoc is a jok. No mind or group of minds can aggregate that amount of information. It is a spontaneous order that we did not engineer and thus cannot with any reliability tinker with.

It would be like popping the hood of a car and seeing billions of parts that are changing shape, size, function in real time. The human mind can only process so much and a great deal of our prosperity is owed to a system we don't fully comprehend. It's not an abstract argument- it's just the rules of the game so to speak- our minds are not limitless.

He's talking about (((them)))

Except these aren't right wing, these are just authoritarian. Please don't try to claim communist russia and china were "right wing socially". Even National Socialism was left wing, the liberal generation just began calling it right wing to be more justified in their hate.

Spencer is an undercover kike nigger. He isn't smart or quick witted enough to have gotten to where he is w/o (((their))) help. Classic D&C

what is "capitalism" even. Of course it's good for the economy if you don't violate property rights at will.

that he's retarded? why does anyone pay attention to this guy again?

I hope you realize that Hitler also thought Marx was right about a few things.

You can't be gay and straight at the same time.

Throw the Jew down the well.

It might be that animal herding is the best model we can use. In herding you don.t grab every single animal to force it to go where you want. Instead you influence the edges of the herd to nudge the whole group in the general direction desired.

>Irish
>Marxist
>Nationalist

you fucking paddies are hopeless

also there's little difference between traditional america and "national socialism". Traditional america had public schools, emergency healthcare, unemployment insurance, pension, tax deductions/less heavy tax for normal people.

>commies of today are mass 3rd world immigration shills

That's what happens when jews hijack your movement.
Mikhail Bakunin was against both capitalist kikes and communist jews, yet today's (((anarchists))) are the biggest kike shills of all time after decades of jewish subversion of his ideology starting with ((((EMMA GOLDMAN)))).

Spencer can be

The media has proclaimed him to be our leader just as they proclaimed Milo to be before him. It's worth at least knowing what brush we're being smeared with.

>Please don't try to claim communist russia and china were "right wing socially".
Hence why I said it's up to interpretation. Ba'athism definitely is imo.

>Even National Socialism was left wing
If you mean socially, you are dead wrong. Economically, they were at the center.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Spencer is controlled opposition.

That said, he is somewhat correct. Marx accurately diagnosed that traditional capitalist systems lead to the buildup of wealth in the upper classes, which allows them unprecedented power. Marx formalized this as a general trait of all capitalist systems though. Fascists accurately recognized that this is the result of external manipulation, and that nationalist systems with contained and controlled competition allow for greater flourishing of the economy.

Marx was pretty blatantly racist and hated the Jews.

>Hitler
>Liking Marx

You do know Marxist Socialism and National Socialism are two completely different entities.

how can he be the eader of the alt right if I'm the leader of the alt right?

cheque mate peasants, now here my command, kill yourself if you've watched even one video of spencer that wasn't the one where he got smacked in the face

Maybe he is. I'd need more context. Doesn't anybody else have the feeling that we need to migrate to an altogether different paradigm? I don't how this is going to work but right/left socialism/capitalism as models may have outlived their usefulness.

Most of that is a product of the mid twentieth century. Hard to call sometime that's only been around for such a short period traditional.

he's not wrong what's the fucking dilemma here? many here agree that the international finance system and global capital has uprooted most of us from our identities.

WHEN WE SAY WE ARE AGAINST GLOBALISM WE ARE LITERALLY IN AGREEMENT HERE. We don't want global capitalism to turn us into alienated genderless consumers. Free markets and enterprise =/= (((capitalism)))

It would have to be a herd of billions of data points that are essentially their own constant feedback loop amongst each other and the perceived aggregate. The amount of information being coordinated is amazing. These are not sheep, they are self interested actors or entities who can behave any number of ways billions of them who value things, perceive value, set costs, set prices, succeed, fail, sell, buy, invest.

The point is, it's bigger than our minds and our prosperity is owed to it.

checked. Capitalism sees no ethnicity or race or gender or sex. Only money. Capitalism throws borer wide open and floods countries with immigrants JUST to balloon the labor pool thereby putting downward pressure on wages. Capitalism did this.

>(((Richard "controlled opposition" Spencer))) is controlled opposition

Water remains wet.

cuckbertarians and burgers will disagree with this

pol is and always will be ANcap

There was some qoute I read a while back, something along the lines that Karl Marx found the correct illness but gave out the wrong prescription

It's one of those red pills that most of Sup Forums just won't swallow. Unbridled (((international capitalism))) is more so to blame given the current year than irrelevant leftist ideologies. Sup Forums is rightfully spooked of things like marxism and communism, but ironically those movements in the modern day are just commodifications thanks to capitalism. Someone calling themself a commie or anarchist is literally them just wearing a brand that someone is profiting from. It's actually kind of funny desu

ancap is worse than useless

One who can even imagine that dirigisme will succeed as to opposed to limited government is a foolish foolish person.

Limited government is simply believing that the economic orders of the world are the prime factor in our prosperity.

Dirigisme is the belief that government is the prime factor in our prosperity (and economic orders are simply a lesser factor to be influenced by government).

It's just about priorities; one group acknowledges the limits of the human mind in the face of whole economic systems, and the other group is chasing the dragon.

This
It does not make us commies to oppose capitalism, because we oppose it from a Nationalist anti globalist standpoint, something Communism hates.
Communism is globalist, open borders and free trade, literally everything Lolbertarians support. They are just two sides of the same shekel

>national SOCIALISM
I fucking wonder.

only people who suck at making money say that

It's an evolutionary order, it has no ideology other than competition/profit. The socialists are dysgenic.

The only constant on Sup Forums is that Sup Forums was always better in the past. Always.

As far as I recall, COMECON, (think of it as the Soviet NAFTA) didn't think mass migration of labor between countries was beneficial.

How did economics work before capitalism?

So he's a commie that wants to seize the means of production? Keep digging your hole deeper you leftist faggot. If the fate of the white race depends on this guy then we all might aswell convert to islam now.

The problem is that you are trying to plan economic systems that contain so much real time information that they are beyond the comprehension of one single planner. It's not morally wrong, just irresponsible, reckless, and foolhearty. You may as well be pissing in the wind.

Okay then please define what "socially right wing" means to you.

Joe, what are you doing here?

Yeah it works so well that America kicked it's ass

Exactly!

Big difference between what is perceived as communism and what Spence and his wife are educated enough to understand: socialist Marxism is the key to utopia. Only T_D doesn't understand this, old pol has always preferred Marxism.

ITT: I wanna win, but I don't wanna be one of those mean National Socialists! In my history class they said they oppressed the innocent Jews! I think these Nazi guys are pretty bad. I don't think any other races have any ill will towards us good ol' white folks! I'd rather vote Democrat!

at least post the full conversation.

>global capitalism is a socially leveling, egalitarian force

Just look at the downtown area of any major city and you will know that he is right.
Everywhere is the same.
The same architecture, the same shops, the same restaurants, the same people.
All identity is slowly lost.

>mfw a national socialists has socialist ideals

Fucking shocked tbqh

My Grandpa who watches Fox news told me this is bad

>nu/pol/ doesn't know that unfettered capitalism is as cancerous as communism

Wait... CNN told me Milo was the leader of the Alt-Right!

It has worked for Sweden,economically that is. National Socialism would just be Sweden with nationalism, strict immigration and the killing of muslim terrorists.
We simply propose a mixed market economy, where we borrow from both capitalism and socialism for the benefit of our nation