Start being rationally selfish

Start being rationally selfish

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Selfish behavior is not an evolutionary advantage

So community behaviour is better?
Go choke yourself on dick commie faggot.

Not flushing your life down the toilet for other people is an evolutionary advantage. You will survive and others will die. People who say they're not selfish are usually to narcistic to reflect on themselves.

what conscious behavior is not selfish?

>everything that has to do with community is communist

How can I tell you are a newfag with an Analytical IQ lower than 100?

You compromised the integrity of your tribe, congrats

Living as an individual with the knowledge that you are an individual within a greater community of your peers

Substantiate your claims

>tribe
>thinking anyone in your "tribe" that's outside of your immediate family actually gives a shit about you

Nebulous. Knowledge isn't a behavior.

What conscious action is not selfish?

FITE ME FAGGOTS

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I got this. Rate

>be selfish
>contribute nothing
>society falls
>no more fun allowed
>not allowed to be selfish anymore or gulag

Nah

Stinky egg woman. Goes with satan and social security hypocrisy like white on rice

Obviously someone never got into a 4 on 1 fight.

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Absolutely fucking not.
Community and family are what made civilization; not owning your own cave and dying off in one generation.

Cooperation isn't mutually exclusive of being selfish, nor is helping others.

>So community behaviour is better?

Yeah, because nobody ever gets together and works on things in groups under capitalism. HURDDURRRR fuck off randtard, her "literature" is well known to be garbage

It really does depend on the definition of selfishness.

She used the term rationally selfish quite specifically to mean two things.
1) What was in your best interest for the long term... stealing money that's right there for the taking would not be a selfish act in her view. Rather studying to become a professional in a particular career e.g. law or medicine would be a selfish act... literally "selfish" = self interest.
2) the well being of others matter to you but it does depend on the person. e.g. if all you had was $100 to treat your sick child or spend same money on your neighbours child, you would spend it on your child. That in effect is a selfish act because the help given is to someone who is more important to you.

Stop being an edgy teenagers.

All societies attempt to align self-interest with group interest in various ways, since people generally always attempt to act in self-interest. Actually, it is not the individual which is self-interested, but the genes the individual carries. That is why people sacrifice for their children and family. Governments attempt to force people to cooperate by making it their self interest to do so, through rewards and punishments. (Governments consist of people working together to force each other to behave collectively.)

A society is successful to the degree it can align self-interest with group-interest. Government policies should be chosen with the foreknowledge that people will behave in self-interest. This is why capitalism is more successful than communism. Enough people will always take the best option available to them that any system relying on altruism is doomed. If society cannot reward pro-social behavior, it must punish anti-social behavior; thus communism creates gulags.

Shaming people for self-interested behavior is futile. Society must channel self-interest.

Hey Pedro
just because your country is a giant turd doesn't mean we have to turn ours into a giant piece of turd.

USA was built on self-reliance. This is what made this country great.

Being selfish is a virtue.

STOP FEELING EMPATHY

>ftfy

Unfortunately she used the world selfish deliberately to create controversy. For example, with regard to sacrificing for once child, she did not consider this to be a sacrifice but to be a "selfish" act because the child is valuable to the parent therefore will seek to preserve them. A sacrifice she deemed would be the destruction of something one deemed valuable to themselves for the sake of something less valuable, which would represent a net loss!!!!!!!!

i.e. child's live (greater than) money

I hate myself and i hate you.

If the US was built on self-reliance why did your country imported so many african slaves?

Oh , you're supossed to be funny and clever here.

I fucking forgot.

Niggers are like horses , and i'm not just talking about dick size.

bump

That's pretty reasonable though. Whatever choice one makes, if it is in fact their choice, is their will; the reason doesn't matter. Altruism doesn't exist. Closest thing is perhaps childbirth.

because slavery was the heavy flesh industry back in the day. This was surpassed by heavy metal industry and made slavery simply untenable. Don't pretend not to know this!!!

how bout NO you retarded kike bitch

You do realize the flaw, is that people are too ignorant on a wide variety subjects to be even near competent in thinking rationally, right?

I haven't even gotten started on the dietary needs to foster a healthy mind

Southern economy was backwards and agrarian.

Start being traditionally Fascist.

well said sir !!!

no extended family members up to about 150 members is possible that's what anthropologist say was what humans are designed for at max anyway

Hording resources is an evolutionary advantage.

I'm just pointing out that the US was never self-reliant. Capitalism doesn't work that way.

For the good of your community (race)? Yeah

At the detriment of your community? No, that's how communities disintegrate, when high trust societies fall to that level you know you're finished

Tradition is an emotional appeal which is not equatable to being rational at best perhaps pragmatic

sometimes it is, like fighting off a mugger. sometimes it's not, like mugging someone.

explain yourself!?

after all, usa had an abundance of resources early on and settlers who were completeley self reliant.

They also kicked the brits out to gain said capitalist system.

(((Ayn Rand)))

Making choices that are bad for you and your family for the good of the race is not an evolutionary advantage

'appeal to tradition' and 'appeal to emotion' are two different fallacies, btw.

checking if there are any nerds here who can answer this question...

how did she define focus, drift and evasion and what does it have to do with emotionalism?

Seriously I doubt anyone is well read enough on the topic to answer this.

... if someone can... well... then top KEK!!

(((Ayn Rand)))

Next you're gonna tell me Anton LaVey was a brilliant man.

You won't fool me Satanist Jew

Human nature is subconsciously selfish. Whether it is positive or negative selfishness is another subject.

we autistic Sup Forums warriors prefer rationality and logic to satanism any day... unless of course it pisses people off ... in which case... carry on.

She said sometimes you drift away from Fransico's dick to ride Hanks but but once you finally focus on that Galt cock then you got to do some serious hologram mountain plane crash shit to ride your dick of destiny.

How is tricking a bunch of people into paying him to play Halloween his whole life not a sign of brilliance?

Sounds to me like you're interested in a good old fashioned ass ridding by an engorged green KEK dick... hey... free world... please... do enjoy yourself.... and be sure to thank KEK when it's over.

I read Atlas shrugged and could not stomach The fountainhead, although I like Anthem

I don't know how she defined things or care

I actually hate know anyone bullshit definitions, dictionaries exist

Why would I care about the opinion on psychology of such an obviously emotionally crippled woman?

I mean really why be well read on something that is wrong

I know she had an open marriage and promoted childless female leads that are some how "noble" while producing nothing

IT's all about how communism fucked her father who she adored and her emotional scars from a shitty mother

She was brilliant mind you but very damaged

Let's take this a step further

Start being rationally egotistical..

I don't doubt that we ideally should live like that, but we mostly don't live like that anymore.

>All these people acting as if Rand is wrong
One of the reasons Africa is so shit is because of their communal culture. If anyone tries getting ahead or making a profit they're expected to give it away to relatives instead of investing it for future consumption.

There was no US before the revolution and they had slaves from the very beginning.

>Africa
>shit because of its culture

You're almost there

nostalgia is an emotion, natsoc

tradition in practice mostly is about an idiotic unearned pride, it's not some reverence for the good while acknowledging the bad

case in point
youtube.com/watch?v=8oLl4oppAv4

A very reasonable response and worthy of respect, even if I do not agree with all the conclusions you made.

Generally before I dismiss ideas I try to understand them thoroughly, not to mention that I love reading in general. It's mainly for this reason that I read most of her fiction and non-fiction work.

Hence the request for fellow nerds.

>One of the reasons

I know, I was merely making a slightly correction

Although I might ad artificial family can be made to have caring function (in men) such as in a military squad
Granted that's mired in it's own dysfunction

>not natsoc
you fail at making points.

A rose by any other name is still a rose.

These settlers, who's progeny would become the people of the US where responsible for kicking out the brits, and, in effect, were the people of the USA.

that's racist against people that identify as daisies.

>philosophy that most Sup Forumsacks would immediately agree with
>raised Jewish so they have to do mental gymnastics to still hate you
wew lad

Firstly I too appreciate you, but for the cordial nature presented

Read as you will, however it's not really needed to understand something in fullness to know it's flawed.

My general assumption is everyone and everything is wrong or an out right lie until proven otherwise,

Other than escapades in futile solipsism outside of science fiction

>Jew comes up with economic theory
>It's about being a greedy selfish cunt even when it comes to your own family

I did make a point, though not an argument

Thanks for your politeness in kind.

I am curious to know where or in what manner you believed she was flawed?

Like I said before I can dismiss an argument I must understand it... as yet I do not know what lead you to your conclusions.

Let's take your second "general assumption", everything is wrong or an out right lie until proven otherwise.

I would agree with you on this point and incidentally so would she. Specifically she argues that your own senses are your gateway to reality and you ought to trust them first. Other human beings, however, should not be automatically trusted without assessing the required evidence because they like you are liable to errors etc.

so here you would be in agreement with her.

It's for this reason I do not dismiss everything.

Let's take your first conclusion: "it's not really needed to understand something in fullness to know it's flawed".

The difficulty here is that there are multiple arguments and conclusions that are made throughout. Like a piece of code there may be errors scattered among certain functions. However it does not mean every single function is erroneous and therefore the entire program be abandoned.

Rather it's important to be able to state precisely where you disagree, whether you have a better alternative or not etc.

Of course if one is pressed for time, I can fully understand not wanting to delve deeply.

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Stop being jewish.

Finally, in regard to your argument regarding "futile solipsism"... my my. What can I say other than ... I'm afraid, again, you and here are in agreement.

In the book "objectivist philosophy of Ayn Rand", she rejects solipsism (philosophical idea that only one's own mind is sure to exist). Rather that A is A, existence exists as primary and that we have a consciousness capable of perceiving reality.

Perhaps you were referring to the notion of rational selfishness when you stated this. In which case I would have to make a different point.

you know all those services are tied to analytic groups funded by billianeres? same with the "what x of y show" on facebook?
they claim now to have a database with 1000+ data points on each person and a bog way they got that data is with those servays?

It's not that she's wrong in principal, but her perceptions about what it is to be ration selfish are flawed, what I mean is we are slaves to our biology and the true nature(s) of reality, more next post

Don't trust your senses or rather perceptions of them, they will deceive and need verifying, lest you think the sky is blue

I do agree with that, as the saying goes "take the best leave the rest"

best post

No self-respecting & intelligent person needs that vile goblin jewcreature dubbed "Ayn Rand" to tell them how to properly measure self-interest with altruism.

That gargoyle is a wretched, loathsome, psychologically-maligned hag.

unfortunately guys like mark cuban, peter thiel (see last chapter of his book "zero to one"), steve jobs [ youtu.be/JxYgb1rA7-c?t=528 ], etc.

to some extent myself.

However, top KEK on the pic of the goblin... definitely using that :)

what I meant mostly was her belief in capitalism,
for two reasons
1) Man's problem isn't existential, it isn't keep a roof and a full pot. Man's problem is the abstract need for a security blanket of the physical sort that satiates the mental project of what that will be in an impossibly safe universe

2) Capitalist are full of shit. They're half assing Law of the Jungle they want society and rules but they get to be ruthless, the same goes for commies not accepting human nature's incompatibility with communism.

You can't say may the best man win when life and progeny are at stake where won can starve to death in the gutter and say but no violence allowed.
Well you can but I'll stick you between the ribs pick your pockets and say as you die Law of the Jungle mate, purely out of spite (which if noble emotions are possible to be at all Spite is the highest of all)

Cooperating when it benefits you or those genetically similar to you is an evolutionary advantage. It's why we have a stronger connection to our immediate family than our extended family than our community than the human species generally. Screwing over others to help yourself can sometimes be good. For you at least.

In an ideal society you would have your nation and people united in mindset, communal values are fine as long as they don't have some bullshit to do with culture. National Socialism is communal but unlike communism it embraces the culture of the group instead of destroying it.

Wow how is Woz sucking Job dick so hard,

The shit apple "invented" pads smart phones the Japs invented prior, all he did was popularize it with NSA CIA backing for selling out his customer base

Fucking kikes

>listening to a kikess who died broke and on welfare

yeah, no....

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?

spbp

kys marxist cucks

I'm a Theocrat

>He things an socialism has to be marxist
kys reddit

Your daily reminder that Ayn Rand died penniless and alone in a shitty apartment, shamelessly living off the safety net that she claimed to despise.

There's a difference between acknowledging that rational self interest governs all, and being a cunt.

>equating Marxism to a belief in community

What can I say ... but ... please stop agreeing with her!!!

All joking aside.

You make great points:
Let's take your main concern... that of her "belief in capitalism".

To begin with she argues that we do not currently have a system of capitalism but rather a mixed economy. Government, she argues, is needed for three things;
a. army to protect us from external aggressors
b. police to maintain rule and order (i.e. those knifing rib jabbers).
c. judicial system ( which in the USA is made of both the judiciary, who uphold the laws and the legislative branch, who create the laws).

Unfortunately what tends to happen is that if a company wants to focus solely on making great products they soon find themselves called before congress and threatened with their companies being ripped apart. The only protection they have is, in effect to, to bribe, through lobbying, these congressmen to keep their company. examples of these companies who kept to themselves and found themselves in trouble are Rockefeller back in the day with his oil company and bill gates in the 90's. If you don't play the game you are ripped apart as a company. So by default large companies play this game.

Ultimately there are two ways of obtaining things from people.

1. through Force. This is what government is and is the reason the constitution are in fact limitations on the government... these limit their use of force. By creating monopolies maintained by the use of force, governments reduce innovation, which would lower the cost of living and so one needs less and less to actually survive.

2. business must use Persuasion i.e. good products at good prices for you to part with your money.

This is simply my opinion, but having such mixed economy, where government enforced monopolies thrive is akin to feudalism, the various corporations being different fiefdoms.

So if it weren't for the different labels she would be in agreement with you.

Thought I would check... looks like wikipedia disagrees ... ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayn_Rand, search: heart failure )... if this is incorrect please correct and source... thanks.

couldn't agree more.

No. Altruism is the highest value. Sacrificing yourself for your people is divine.

>2) Capitalist are full of shit. They're half assing Law of the Jungle they want society and rules but they get to be ruthless, the same goes for commies not accepting human nature's incompatibility with communism.
What a strawman. Characterizing capitalism as an evil dog eat dog system akin to social darwinism is cartoonish and something a 7 year old would say. Capitalism is the only economic system that actually engages in large scale cooperation amongst people of varying views, ideologies, religions, and etc. Capitalism is what made it so people aren't "starving to death in the gutter."

actually my understanding is that steve Wozniak was the genius inventor of the two. Jobs however, was the marketing genius. It was the combination that created apple... with the help of a third investor... I believe a ceo of pepsi at the time.

besides no one forces people to buy the apple products they are free to do so or not... just as you're free to hate on Jobs or not.