I'm stuck between Libertarianism and Fascism

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me too. I don't want the government to have a strong influence on my life but I also don't think that a society can function properly without a massive authoritarian nationalist government keeping dumb cunts in check

That's a pretty comfy flag desu

How about constitutional monarchy where the monarch has almost full power but the constitution guarantees the king cant take your guns, free speech or privacy away.

This is what JRR Tolkien described his political affiliation as.

given your geographical circumstances, Libertarianism makes more sense. It'd be pretty comfy to shoot guns and drive around in an open Jeep in the Outback

Yeah the absolute monarch will give a shit about the Constitution.

National Socialism absorbs big business into the government and allows for small businesses and other non threatening privatization to exist
Coca cola existed in Nazi Germany, that's all i'm saying mein fameraden.

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please neck yourself.

Why not both. The government will keep the degenerates in check, while you can do whatever.

Then you need to be more educated on Fascism if you think there is any major conflicting ideas besides your freedom to be degenerate

>hobbitarianism
FUND IT

thats like saying "lel like the president gives a shit about the constitution"

if he tries to get around it you revolt. thats why the guns are put in your hands in the first place.

also i never said absolute power. hence the term "constitutional monarchy" you fucking knob.

There is no similarities between libertarianism and NatSoc, Socialism is complete cancer, nazis are a fucking leftist party. If you are having a hard time deciding between them then you aren't a libertarian.

uhm you shouldn't have issues with that. fascism is completely unacceptable.

You'd like to run the show, right? Well you're not the one who will be making decisions, it will be someone else making decisions for YOU. YOU will be the slave, under fascism.

> NatSoc, Socialism is complete cancer,
stopped right there. marxist style socialism and the nazi socialism were not the same thing. stop watching steven crowder.

The issue is how do you define"degenerate"? They will just say anything they dont' agree with is.

Do you think we're living by the standard of our constitution?

>free healthcare
>free education
>increase welfare

These are the things Hitler did, all of these are socialist.

Socialism is socialism PERIOD. get you govt hands off muh business, keep your hands off muh guns.

Fascism is the way to go my friend.

You too, can be part of glorious leader's entourage!

you you you. but the problem is you're not running the show in a democracy either. you just have the illusion through a vote every 4 years.
no because of bureaucratic nonsense through our wonderful democracy. literally every government type is subject to possible corruption but with a monarchy atleast its obvious and your goal for fixing it is clear.

He was talking about fascism not the national socialism

I'd rather be degenerate than have a nation of half starved retards that think he is God.

I'd like an AnCap society that has a Constitution guaranteeing rights and classifying what constitutes as a NAP violation.

I believe that is the epitome of redpilled society.

Mainly things that are a problem to society.Individualism is good, as long as the interests of the person does not impede the betterment of the country.
Something like uncooperative NEETs, hypersexuality, welfare leeches, Jew media etc.

I'm across this feel. I like the idea of removing inefficient government and having more freedom but feel it takes a certain kind of carefully curated culture for people to act in a somewhat civic minded manner without it being forced upon them.
It definitely wouldn't work with so many people today aligning themselves with nu lib individualist values so the question is how do you get from here to there?

>tripfag
>MUH SOCIALISM MUH SOCIALISM.
drawing similarities doesn't make them equivalent.
but tbqh i dont want to debate a side issue like economy. because it doesnt matter if you're in a healthy society. Norway today is socialist as can be and they literally have the highest GDP in the world. is it proof that socialism is great? NO its proof that Norwegians are oil rich and not retarded about maintaining a country like Venezuela.

but anyway, economic policies are a side issue.

Aaay look its my ideology!

I can agree with welfare leeching but the rest is too authoritative. If you get rid of welfare though I believe a lot of this would fix itself. If a fag runs a business and provides jobs do I give a fuck if he's a fag? No

Why the fuck would you give a person that ISN'T YOU full power?

It's like you people want to get lynched by a tyranical government. It's almost like a fetish to elect people to control you, jesus christ.

>Why the fuck would you give a person that ISN'T YOU full power?
because im not a fucking retard that believes he has power in this democracy. your vote at a ballot box doesnt mean shit.
we're not even a direct democracy you're literally voting on who you want to be in control here and yet you PRETEND like you have a say

brazil during monarchy was basically this famalam

That is why I don't believe in government. I am a full blown AnCap and I believe it is the best form of society in existence.

Just limit your inner fascist to your property lines and you'll be the perfect libertarian.

Would it be better to have a monarchy or an elected leader with all the power?

> I am a full blown AnCap
more like a full blown dumbass. try ancap and you will have no society. and you're going to be conquered by those who DO create a nation and gang up to destroy you. ancap is the most ridiculous of political fantasies. honestly more than communism.

Neither since they don't have your best interest in mind.

m8, under fascism, you can be beaten to death for criticizing the leader, and it's perfectly legal to do so. Don't you get that? Are you 12? educate yourself.

It is a VOLUNTARY society.

An AnCap society would demolish any opposing country. There is nothing more dangerous than a Capitalist who is having his business and way of life threaten. Good luck dealing with the entire small arms and heavy war machine industries along with biological, chemical, and nuclear corporations who see you as a threat.

id probably be okay with either. the reason said monarchy is because their entire life will be about running the nation and would be more invested in it. as would their family line. but they both have merits and downsides.

>m8, under fascism, you can be beaten to death for criticizing the leader,
the fuck are you talking about? thats not some core tenant of facism thats just your idea of it. no different than me saying communism requires gulags and every dissident will be killed in them.

Minarchism is the answer.

Why would you support a monarchy? Some random weirdo can become king in the bloodline

A military is as strong as the corporations that design and manufacture their weaponry.

In an AnCap society with no regulations and strict competition, you will see weapons designed for absolute carnage at the lost cost.

Sorry I don't want to live In Somalia.

If anarchism is such a great way to defend yourself then why does 99% of the planet have a government. It's almost like war can't be waged if your soldiers only give a shit about themselves.

Interesting, redpill me on this

>An AnCap society would demolish any opposing country. There is nothing more dangerous than a Capitalist who is having his business and way of life threaten
what a stupid delusion. you think men and women will fight to the death to protect fucking mcdonalds?
NO the nation with everyone being on the same page is going to win. far more organized because of a government hierarchy. as much as you hate hierarchy (like communists) its a necessary trait for humans. we cannot flourish without them.

It's just belief in a limited government.

This is why I favour a dictatorial technocracy. One that would enforce values to keep society in a position of happiness and stability yet prevent it from degenerating.

>person that ISNT YOU
Maybe not me, but if the person was indoctrinated from birth with the values of my people and culture then ot wouldnt be too far off

>le ebin somalia argument XD

You know the difference between somalia and an AnCap society?

One is inhabited by nothing but niggers who have never manufatured anything or designed anything in their entire lives.

Substitute every nigger in Somalia with a white or pretty much anybody with an IQ over 100, and you will see a drastic change in lifestyle.

>If you get rid of welfare though I believe a lot of this would fix itself.
I agree.
>If a fag runs a business and provides jobs do I give a fuck if he's a fag? No
Neither do I. Because he isn't an impediment to society. As long as he keeps his faggotry to himself rather than running around naked while holding rainbow flags, he will not get fined or something.

That symbol looks alright, it would look better if it resembled a Caduceus a bit more.

>what a stupid delusion. you think men and women will fight to the death to protect fucking Vietnam?

No, people will fight to protect their homeland and way of life. Companies like Apple, Boeing, DuPont, and many more will fund the armies to destroy any invaders, WHY? because their way of life and profits are also threaten.

You're such a simple minded drone that only wants to live sucking the teet of a governing body. Fucking kys you short sighted idiot

I think it's impossible to have proper freedom or democracy as you cannot trust other humans to not destroy themselves democratically by voting against their interests with interference or by will. It's already happened in America. I believe that humans have an innate desire to be lead, controlled, told what to do and what to eat, reminiscent of monarchies but not entirely.

The resolution between libertarianism and fascism is the American System.

On the one hand, you know libertarians ideology is bankrupt because of roads. We can trace the rise of the middle class and resulting increase in freedom of action to the great statist projects: the Cumberland Pike, the dredging of rivers, the canal systems constructed by the American Enterprise, the intercontinental rail network, roads, and so on to the space program which unleashed new technology into every facet of the economy.

In other words, certain actions of the state act towards the enhancement and propagation of individual freedom which has, at least in part, a basis in economic mobility, acquisition of essential free time to grow as an individual through productivity increase, and so on.

George Washington, Hamilton, Clay, Lincoln, and Kennedy stand as monuments to this enterprise, dubbed the "American System of Economy" which introduced and perpetuated a radically new concept to the world: that the people, through their common purpose of pursuing ever greater freedom, should bond together through a state whose industriousness and wisely chosen infrastructure pursuits rendered the society increasingly profitable and therefore creditworthy in itself; this is an essential precondition to a prime directive of free peoples - the smashing of the usury cartel and privateering bankers who have manipulated, divided, and plundered the average man through the millennia.

If you'd like to learn more, visit /r/New_American_System

M8 you are setting youself up for failure. A capitalist doesnt make financial decisions based solely on hope and trust. We calculate and take into account how our people (customers) will feel.

Because the retarded brutes wouldn't be the people to take over in an anarchist society?

Again if an anarchist society is better at war than one with a government why do they only ever exist for small periods of time? Why are they always violent backwards shitholes?

I'd like an answer that's more sophisticated than "lol niggers xd" but you are ancap so I'm not really expecting much.

If ancap society was so much more efficient than a state why hasnt an ancap soceity ever emerged?

states must have some form of competitive advantage.

Monarchy is the one system that has lasted for thousands of years, seems ok in most cass.

>tripfag

So you don't even know what that means then. He doesn't have a trip code. He's a namefag.

>fight to the death to protect fucking Vietnam?
YES dumbass. they will and they have. NOT mcdondalds.
the reason is because your corporation becomes the very thing you hate. a nation. the CEO is now the ruler (or the stockholders are the congressmen). how can you not see that? you're essentially advocating for businesses to become small nations. and all that does is create a nation without any of the positive traits.

Same.

Name a single AnCap society that has existed with no government at all.

>inb4 somalia
Somalia has a government.

Because people are reluctant to accept a new idiology where they are responsible for themselves.

Yes and for thousands of years the peasants of those monarchies lived in squalor without any meaningful invovation, comapre that to the industrial revolution and the emergence of capitalism as a way of life?

>people will fight to protect their homeland and way of life
>ancap soceity

Culture is consumed in an ancap society. When people aren't able to defend their cultural and genetic capital they wont have any to defend.

Ancaps society is the society of jewish ghettos. Blackmail, bribes, conspiracy, all don't violate the NAP and your culture would be one of low trust, everyone to get the most for themselves at the expense of everyone else

I was in the same boat, a lot of ancaps totally miss the point of anarcho-capitalist philosophy. They think that everyone and everything is going to be sovereign and abide by the NAP and no violence and have a little homestead etc. but in reality the logical conclusion of anarcho capitalism is just hereditary monarchy or oligarchy wherein someone or some group will end up just forming another government. The only thing that makes it different is the decentralization and exclusionary possibilities that the landowners (monarchs) would have. And the free movement. So essentially it would just be feudalism where there you can live in whatever society you want or that people form, however since it is business driven the monarchs would want a system in place that ensures stability and sustainability for the longest period of time possible, effectively rendering every society to a totalitarian right wing fascist state. So it doesnt even really matter to me anymore, we either have fascism now or we have it later. It truly is the only way. Remember moral =/= nice.

Christian cross instead of autistic swastika and we're good.

Where u from talking about necking people like senpai alama ding dong

You're retarded m8.

Nobody will be fighting for McDonalds you dumbass. If the US was an AnCap society and say Mexico or Canada decided to invade, are you going to wait for McDonald's approval to defend your nation?

Or will you fight back solely because your way of life is now being threaten by a statist government?

Also Corporations have the people's best interest in mind you moron, more so than any elected government. The customer is the blood driving a company to survive, if they do anything to hurt the customer they will drive them away to the competition. You live in this fucking fairyland where companies have absolute power and can't be destroyed whenl you have no idea how a company or capitalism functions.

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It's almost as if an ancap society is a delusional ideological concept rather than one that can actually happen in real life. Imagine that.

>Blackmail
>conspiracy

All of these are violations of the NAP, private police companies and jails/labor camps/factories will happily incarcerate any civilains or CEOs that have violated the NAP. And the entire police/jail industry (along with the investors in these industries) would likely agree on a joint venture to face any resistance that this company desides to create (although unlikely)

>bribes, nothing wrong with that. Bribes are nothing more than a business investment, as long as nobody is having their NAP violated it doesn't matter.

Somaliland has a government. Somilia is the ancap utopia

>are you going to wait for McDonald's approval to defend your nation?
>your nation
so you're not actually ancap then?
>Or will you fight back solely because your way of life is now being threaten by a statist government?
who the hell is going to side with you when you lack a society. you'd be out there protecting your stocks along while burger king profits from your death.
>Also Corporations have the people's best interest in mind you moron
is this bait? there is no way you actually believe this. walmart does not give a flying fuck about you as a person. no corporation does. its literally all about profit.
>You live in this fucking fairyland where companies have absolute power and can't be destroyed whenl you have no idea how a company or capitalism functions.
thats such a retarded idea because i DO know how it works. you would undoubtably end up with a massive monopoly on a nation size scale and essentially be left with an actual nation. one that works just like a normal one but shittier because they dont hold any values other than profit. you would become fucking slaves to the biggest CEO.

same

>squalor without meaningful innovation
Well thats just wrong.

It is the only society where a person is LEAST likely to be screwed over since the customer's trust and business is the most valuable thing to keep a company running. Any crimes that occur would be faced with an entire competitive industry fueled by prospect of making a profit.

I rather steal a TV from a store in a society with a government where cops are funded by the tax payer and unions, rather than one where a police force is making money on profit made from actually doing their job and capturing me.

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"Give me liberty or I'll give you death?"

Why can't a one party state have a constitution that guarantees certain rights? Why can't citizens vote on issues, a la a direct democracy, while still being ruled by an effective, nationalist, one party state?

The more I think about these concepts, the more I realize that certain aspects are malleable. Its not #truefascism, but who cares if it works?

>a la a direct democracy, while still being ruled by an effective, nationalist, one party state?
that makes the one party useless if they dont make any decisions.

I'd rather have a dictator that doesn't affect my life than a democracy that controls its ever aspect.

>burgerking profiting from my death

>A company will make a profit when their customers are all dead.

>A company does not care that they no longer have customers to buy their product.

>A company will survive now that profit is $0


M8 you are a retard of the highest fucking degree. You'd make a killing being a jester in an AnCap society, an absolute entertainment legend.

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>who will side with you when your country is being attacked!

Hmmm pretty sure the entire free market economy would fund militias and armies just like they fund governments TODAY GENIUS.

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hit the nail on the head user.

You're obviously young and you'll progress through your ancap phase when you realise how shit ancap society is, like most of us already have and you'll probably move towards some kind of natural law aristocracy or market fascism. So I'll humour you.

Blackmail is voluntary using the ancap definition of property, If i find out you fucked your sister and told you to pay me $10,000 or I would tell everyone, I'm not violating the NAP. You're free to voluntarily accept or decline my offer and i haven't caused taken any property from you either way that wasnt given to me voluntarily.

Any society that allows (or even incentives in the case of ancap soceity) the tricky of other members of that society into voluntary deals which are not fully informed and warrantied so as to gain the maximum benefit at the cost of the other party will end up as low trust shit holes.

English common law > ancap society

>walmart does not give a flying fuck about you as a person

>its literally all about profit.

Never go full retard.

Here's your answer.

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>I base my political philosophy on whatever sounds most edgy in the moment

Extortion using the threat of public shaming to cause harm is a violation of the NAP. Good luck in the Hasbro Gulag.

Also.

Let say you do leak that information to the public. What's stopping me from paying a private investigator to find your location and identity and kick your ass?

Pinochet was a minarchist. Privatize industry while throwing degenerates out of helicopters. Very comfy.

>public shame is harm
What a fucking meme ancap is

in this scenario you're a customer of a DIFFERENT company. as in you prefer mcondalds. burger king has an obligation to see you dead if you're only a liability to their profits.
>>A company does not care that they no longer have customers to buy their product. free market means competition user. and some companies will want that competition destroyed. (so they can take that share of profit)
people dont buy from every company. and they're not watching literally every person die.
you have no idea how business works and you're a fucking ancap. thats pathetic.
>Hmmm pretty sure the entire free market economy
who will structure the control of the milita? someone has to be in charge. and if these are competeing businesses its in their best interest to not form a unified milita.


You're entire idea is getting rid of traditional governments and pretending that your new government (your boss/CEO) isn't actually a government.

Reminder that statecucks are as cancerous as leftists.

caring about someone as a person in that context means you care about them as something more than a tool.
reading comprehension please.

Don't fuck your sister idiot. Also your actions have consequences and its really good thing that you HAVE TO BE HONEST

>GIBMEDAT MARX SOCIALISM IS NATSOC GUYS

>Burger King would rather millions of potential customers die (because they prefer other food) than change their business practices (menu) to appease them.

I'll pay you $200 dollars right now through Paypal to kys.

>Extortion using the threat of public shaming to cause harm is a violation of the NAP.
how is it a violation of the NAP? I haven't taken or harmed any of your property or person.

>Let say you do leak that information to the public. What's stopping me from paying a private investigator to find your location and identity and kick your ass?
You wouldn't need an private investigator, you already know who I am, and then if you pay someone to attach me you are breaking the NAP and then I will kill you.

Can you see how your low trust ghetto is starting to look?

its difficult to go full libertarian when full libertarian is open borders. you need to take some of the good ideas from both.