Why dont Americans want rights?

>Healthcare isnt a human right!

Why dont Americans want rights for themselves? I dont get it

>Why don't you wanna pay for someone else's healthcare?

Human rights is a pseudonym, a tool that (((they))) use to silence whoever is not a normal working man

fuck your socialism fuck your taxes fuck your intrusive ass government, no one tells me how to live my life or how to slowly kill myself.

Positive rights don't exist

gee, maybe because America have millions of dumb useless niggers who leech off a welfare?

The state doesn't grant rights, rights come from nature and people cede them to the state so that they can cooperate under a set of rules with other people.

They're bad at handling public money, that's why

Ikr? I have the right to NOT pay for other people's shit. American liberals are the most self centered people on the planet.

To enforce that right means you have to steal from working people to pay for non working people, if we had a nation of people that all helped, then sure I guess a little compassion could be had, but that is not the case due too many immigrants and leeches who seek to take advantage of the naivety of some peoples good nature.

I can confirm

Soros is that you?

Well put

Healthcare ISN'T a human right. You aren't entitled to the labor of others because of your misfortunes.

I don't have insurance now and trumpcare does nothin to fix that, not even medicaid so I'm not even being a leach. Hell not every job even gives health insurance but there's problems even with that being tied to your job, especially if you want to switch jobs due to better opportunity, there's a bad time gap. I wish we could have universal but that's gonna take a long time for people to realize it's really the only way to go. All these various over the years "fixes" keep being giant giveaways to medical/insurance/phrama companies and other rich people and never actually help real people.

>fuck your intrusive ass government
>American
HA!

pot = kettle

>He thinks that getting free shit is a right

I already pay for mine. ACA was a kusomeme

Most of us don't know how good we have it. Some of us whine like little bitches about all the wrong things.

Sup Forums doesn't care. These faggots would rather save the .0001 cent on their tax bill than allow you to have healthcare. They'll give 45% of their taxes willingly to wage war, but fuck your healthcare.

That's the thing though, this really wouldn't save any of them money on their tax bill unless secretly there's a whole bunch of billionaires on here that I don't even know about. And what if it didn't change a cent or even saved them some tax money and we still had universal health care and just stopped giving so much to the military industrial complex or other stupid things like that? Would they be for it then?

To be honest, I would prefer either a truly complete universal healthcare system or pure libertarian system, none of the inefficient red tape government bullshit that's currently in place, (which is basically Obamacare). So yes, I want healthcare rights, but if you're a fool if you think Obamacare is somehow making the system better. Unless the government is actually interested in an efficient universal system, I don't really care about repealing Obamacare, for most people it probably won't even matter.

Part of he responsibilities of being a citizen is to pay taxes and shut the fuck up. Consider it a fee for living in the greatest nation in the world. Sometimes you agree with government expenses and sometimes not. Way of the world.

Rights do not require input from anyone else.

>Part of he responsibilities of being a citizen is to pay taxes and shut the fuck up.
Good goy. Don't ask questions.

No, Sup Forums likes war, just not poor Americans.

i don't want some pseudo-universal healthcare. either privatize it or make it actually universal. the in between shit is no good.

Go back to the streets Satania. Fuck off with your socialism

>Why dont Americans want rights for themselves? I dont get it

DARK HUMOR IS LIKE FOOD
some don't get it

Yeah well that's them then. IMO we can work to find a fair balance and succeed if we push ourselves to it. I mean so many other countries , some of which in general worse off than us have been able to figure this out and yet we can't which makes me really sad. Are we really this naive ?

exactly this

>So yes, I want healthcare rights
healthcare rights do not exist.
What you are referring to is "I want healthcare services for all Americans to be paid for out of my federal tax dollars."

And then here is where that is a bad idea. Either
1) The government is a bottomless well of money and healthcare services do not need to price their services for what the private market will bear. So costs spiral out of control.

anb/or

2) The government sets caps for what it will pay for services, which limit how much money doctors can be paid. So the most skilled people will not go into that industry.

and/or

3) The government will ration out healthcare services to those who it deems worthy of treatment rather than the current system of who can pay. White Christian Heterosexual Males will obviously be on the lowest on the priority list.

>positive rights
What about my right to kill you?

>you have the inalienable human right to get fucking extorted
roffle ecksdee

>Why dont Americans want rights?
Does Finland have a law which guarantees the 'right' of all citizens to good health and/or good healthcare to be provided at point of a gun?

If not, what are you some fucking fascist?

I dont want to pay for your military or really anything what so ever. Leave me alone

rights in general don't exist.

Yeah these bills just keep creating a giant mess.

I ask questions, just not the same stupid ones you ask. People like you are the ones who should shut the fuck up. How much you think you'd save on your tax bill if they cancelled obamacare? How about if we aren't constantly waging war? Half of you fags want us to be isolated from the world, but you have no interest in taking care of your fellow Americans and have no problem killing foreign people in foreign lands. You fags argue the wrong side every time.

Can you pay for universal heathcare?

Even more important that's the kind of meassures that take time to show benefits.

When everyone it's a fascist...

The war machine ain't going to stop, never ever, for anything, not even in the face of armaggedon.

That's the society you choose.

No, we're really that greedy. The ones who err on the side of the greed that doesn't benefit them are that naive. Stupid, really.

Why do you feel that the labor of your fellow man is your right?

It's a right if you've contributed to society during a major part of your life / or a child.

NEETs and people who kill themselves with alcohol, cigarettes and other drugs along with obesity should be booted by the door.

I support healthcare for all Americans who are White, work hard, pay taxes, are healthy and aren't libshits.
Needless to say, that's a minority of the population now. So fuck the rest.

>The war machine ain't going to stop, never ever, for anything, not even in the face of armaggedon.
Neither is greed or poverty. War doesn't help us.

because it's not a human right, unless you are saying that slavery is a human right. Access to healthcare is a right, healthcare itself is not.

They don't want to pay for the health care of the small African nation in their borders

This. Liberty means choosing, even if it isn't truly within your best interest.

Do you? Are you willing to waive your social security? You think you pay for what you'll use? Nope! Other people's labor does. You think you pay your fair share of the infrastructure, that you'll only use what you pay for? Get real. The list goes on, nigger. You see dindus on TV and get enraged that they don't go to work and you have to, and suddenly all social programs are worthless.

Because fat people should be fucking executed, not subsidized

All of you faggots need to realize that healthcare is provided by another person, so it CANNOT be a right.

This is basic sheet Anons, don't be such leeching fucks.

All social programs are worthless. Fuck social security, fuck FDR, and fuck you

Excellent. You get to drive only on the portion of the roads you pay for, then. Hope you have a tiny unicycle and live ten feet from home. Asshole.

>am I willing to waive my social security

Well, let's see:

police: useless, they do not stop crimes; they solve them. I have more guns than my local PD most likely, and am also probably a better shot.

firemen: 26 years so far, no house fires. how2usesurgeprotector.png

public school: useless marxist trash, get rid of it

roads: let the corporations handle it, the government cannot. see: failing US infrastructure


BUT YOU DIDNT EVEN RESPOND TO MY VALID POINT, WHICH IS WHY DO YOU FEEL A DOCTOR'S LABOR IS YOUR RIGHT?

In the US we recognize rights as inalienable intangibles a person here is born with that the government cannot infringe on unless under very specific and agreed upon circumstances i.e. Violent felons not being able to vote or buy guns, and even these are often debated over to ensure the government isn't overstepping any boundaries
It's simply not part of our culture or doctrine to be granted rights by our government because it's unable to give any
There ARE general public goods and services like sewers, public schools, street lights, police, etc that the government provides paid for by taxes, but none of these are actual rights and can be taken away at anytime
Hence under policing in shitty violent ghettos leading to crime problems in inner cities or not everywhere in the Midwest having running water and/ or electricity
imo we'll never have universal healthcare in theUS because that would be too expensive for the government to reasonably maintain and any public medical care would become effectively the public schools vs private schools we have now

Excellent retort, faggot. Stay quiet and lick your wounds now, nigger. You're the worst kind of person.

Healthcare costs are mostly self inflicted.

Why can't the govt just hire doctors?

Hate liberals but Sup Forums is wrong on this one.

I work in pediatrics and it is massively fucked that a hard-working white family trying to have a child can be torn apart by health issues.

If we cared the slightest bit for our compatriots we would remove the roadblocks from having children.

>every single thread is a moronic bait thread.
I need a break

They can, but now what happens when doctors feel they aren't being fairly compensated? Do they go on strike?

Do you think doctors and nurses will strike to negotiate higher wages, when doing so would endanger their patients and likely kill some of them?

No. They would become slaves.

No, the worst kind of person is the FUCKING COLECTIVIST SUBHUMAN TRASH! Who think it is just to use the state to force other people to do what they cannot do for themselves!

I don't mean to sound like Bill Clinton, but there is arguments over what the definition of a "Human Right" is and what falls under that category.

>muh rights

You want something, you should pay for it. The people who screech about their rights usually

>want something they refuse to pay for
>would not be missed if they dropped dead

The louder they screech, the bigger wastes of food, water, air and medical care they usually are.

>muh rights

Kill yourself. Lecture the demons gangraping you in hell about your fucking rights.

Guy should have nutted harder or something idk. Sexual reproduction is not a right. Healthcare costs are self inflicted and so is death. Death is normally self inflicted. Not society's problem.

Fuck off anime autist

A hard working white family will be massively benefitted by the obamacare repeal, their premiums will fall by half

>I have more guns than my local PD most likely, and am also probably a better shot.
Hey guys, the police problem is solved! This guy says he's got it under control!

>26 years so far, no house fires.
Fires start for a lot more reasons than surge protection, Smokey the Bear.

>public school: useless marxist trash, get rid of it
Hello mass ignorance. Think crime is bad now?

>roads: let the corporations handle it
Toll roads are perpetually under construction and expensive for daily commutes.

>WHY DO YOU FEEL A DOCTOR'S LABOR IS YOUR RIGHT?
Nobody's asking them to work free, moron.

God damn, you're fucking stupid!

they are trying to make it less appealable to migrants not more

You got it wrong. We have rights because we don't accept slavery.

They have alot of niggers to pay for

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>Nobody's asking them to work free, moron

You're right, but since it's a right that can't be taken away it only makes sense to pay doctors minimum wage :^)

Well well well, look at the pot calling the kettle a nigger.

US liberals do want nationwide public healthcare.
But all yanks conservatives always chimp out whenever it's on table.

Okay, 2nd place Korea. Tell me, why do you think people are entitled to a doctor's labor?

Uh no. Litterally the entire POINT of a republic is Representative government. You VOTE to change taxes. It's assholes like you that enable dipshits like Jerry Brown to buttfuck me on gas taxes, claiming to care about the environment while looking to develop crude deposits on his own private property using state money.

So what? You're saying you're the model of health? What are you whining about? Abortions? STDs? Diabetes? Smoking? Drugs? Every one of those things would be controlled much better by providing our children with the education they need to make informed decisions, but you probably think that's commie shit, too. You fags get enraged over the dumbest shit.

Roads are a public service and necessary for transportation.
Healthcare is down to the individual and its costs should not be shouldered on the taxpayer, at least not when the country is so divided.

Short answer, gaslighting. "Bad things happen to you because you suck. You have x illness because you didn't take care of yourself. You have a shit job because you weren't a straight A student. Why is it MY problem"

Aka, bad things happen regardless of how "good" a person is, but it's easier to place the blame on an induvidual than to confront the lack of a support system.

If you want to go full /x/, you could argue that we're still practicing human sarcrifice indirectly for the sake of the economy, too.

That's because it's fucking retarded and would not solve why our healthcare is so expensive, which is out shitty ass tort law. That and that Americans are so fucking unhealthy

How does it feel to be sucking the cock of rich billionaires? Do you like fondling their balls? Because every time you defend this logic you are making the interest of Soros and the Rothschilds.

We only care about ourselves to our own detriment. Everyone is some Nietzsche, Ayn Rand ubermensch until policy affects them, at which point they victimize themselves and start scapegoating everyone else.

Dumb Satania poster

I find moralists like you terribly funny. When was the last time you took any money out of your own pocket to give to your obese neighbor, who spent the last 10 years chain-smoking, to pay for their medical costs?

When was the last time you actually gave large sums of money, relative to you, to help out the common good of those near by? Other than the taxes the government takes from you.

Who the fuck am I kidding, you probably don't have a job.

Yes actually I am pretty fucking healthy.

Education will not fix drugs, STDs, smoking, excessive drinking or being fat. People already know that these things are bad and already don't give a fuck, and we don't even have public healthcare. Why on earth would we subsidize shitty lifestyles any further?

Who gives a shit?Let them. They're far too overpaid, anyway. I've had two spine surgeries that cost $50,000 each. They each took an hour. Even if the doctor took an entire day preparing for my surgery and only took home 10% of that, he made more in a day than most Americans make in a week, some in a month. Being a doctor is something that should be attractive for to those who want to help people, not bankrupt them. Why the hippocratic oath doesn't apply to causing financial ruin in exchange for being permitted to live is beyond reason.

Fuck you retard, almost all health problems are directly a result of personal lifestyle choices. Do you think it's a fucking coincidence that heart disease is the leading cause of death here?

It's a strange product of our culture. We have a fundamental belief in "good people who work hard get good results". This is fine, a bit naive, but fine, the problem is that the other side of the coin is "if you get bad results, you're a bad person who deserves it".It's amazing how people will fight tooth and nail for so many rights, so many necessary public programs (military, police, schools, roads, etc.), but decide to draw the line at medical care.

The idea of "free market healthcare" is fundamentally retarded, because in many cases you will literally die if you can't afford it. It's not like food, where if you're poor you can just buy cheap stuff, or water, where you can just drink from the tap. In many cases, you can't afford high-quality medical care you're going to die, or live so miserably that you might as well be dead. There's no true free market there.

This is such a retarded argument. Obese chain smoking neighbors aren't the only ones who need healthcare and you know it.

Most of that would be eliminated with a good education system and a welfare system designed to get people on their own two feet. Or, as you'd probably put it, commie shit.

>interest of Soros and the Rothschilds.

They want global communism, you fucking retard. They view government's as 'just another corporation' to be seized. They aren't even shy about it.

>Education will not fix drugs, STDs, smoking, excessive drinking or being fat.

Education has been shown to reduce the levels of STDs and teen pregnancies, at the very least. It's also been incredibly successful at reducing the percentage of the population that smokes. I agree that it's been useless when it comes to drugs and alcohol, but that's because our popular culture is stronger than any educational system.

When you have 10-year olds singing "shots shots shots" and "popped a molly I'm sweatin" you've already lost that battle.

>50k is too much to repair my spine, literally the thing that keeps me upright

Wew lad, you aren't too good with economics are you. But okay, we'll press on for the sake of humor.

We're now paying doctors to do surgeries for 7.25hr, where previously according to you they were making 50k an hour, and you think 1) people will actually partake in this field and 2) the quality of care would stay the same?

If America was a low-crime intelligent "huwhite" homogenous country like Finland, healthcare would be fucking great.

But we're not. We can't have nice things because we have too many Africans, Arabs, and South Asians ready to abuse the system, cause crime, get sick with Measles in 2017, etc.

Bro, what fucking country do you think we live in!? We have the 2nd highest obesity per capita, beat out only be fucking Mexico.

The average health of the American citizen is fucking atrocious, get out of here. How can you even argue against that?

A highly specialized and talented professional who trained into their fucking thirties before full licensing should make way the fuck more than your average dipshit. Their labor is literally worth that much more.

>We're now paying doctors to do surgeries for 7.25hr, where previously according to you they were making 50k an hour,

That's an insane exaggeration. It's true American doctors make more money than doctors in other countries, but the discrepancy isn't that massive. If it was nobody in the rest of the developed world would become a doctor.

First, services aren't rights.

Second, everyone is allowed healthcare. Walk into a hospital with an illness or injury and you will be admitted.

Whether you can afford it is another matter.