Why is the concept of the trinity so important to christianity? I dont understand exactly what changes...

Why is the concept of the trinity so important to christianity? I dont understand exactly what changes. I have only recently become interested in God. Please explain.

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They had to unite a bunch of slaves to attack Rome. So they invented an Allfather, a Hero, and an excuse for ecstatic experiences (acting like idiots), and also Loki, I mean Hades, I mean Satan!

It's a mind fuck on people's natural sense of archetypes.

Also Christians posting pornographic bate threads is pretty fucking pathetic

That has nothing to do with OP's question. The trinity is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

It's literally a pagan/egyptian concept that was retroactively inserted into Christianity to make it more palatable to people who came from a completely different culture.

That's not really a problem though, it's just part of the way we depict God to understand his place in the world a little easier.

didn't read

Give info on the lady

>there is one God
>Jesus is God
>the Father is God
>Jesus is not the Father
these statements couldn't all be true without the doctrine of the trinity

3 is a nice number?

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Because idolatry is a sin. If God is God, how can Jesus be God? And Jesus says that one cannot be forgiven for blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which, in Jewish tradition makes no sense, as only God can be blasphemed. The hints that Jesus dropped as to his own divinity ("If you have seen the Son, you have seen the Father") were worked out with the Trinitarian Doctrine. Better minds have explained it elsewhere. Look it up, OP. And don't post sexy women on the Internet. Get saved, brah.

> We wuz monotheistic and shieeet

Hello centipedes

I'm a bit of a fan of r/the_donald, and I hear a lot about the four chans.

Regrettably, I'm old, and every time I've gone to the Sup Forums website I get confused and ornery.

Is there somewhere on the internet that I can go, in order to figure out just how to fuck to use this website?

Seriously, I want in, but the site's not user-friendly, and I'm not one of these fancy-ass milennials that just intuitively understands things.

>caring about sand nigger cults

Read theology and sanity by Frank sheed, there's a great chapter on it.

>lady

trinity is bullshit made up so that you could worship a man. Jesus Christ = Julius Caesar. Christians worship the roman emperor because Christianity is a shitty roman religion made for slaves.

go play with your anime dolls, faggot

Jesus died for your sins, which means god's son's sacrifice made god forgive you, i mean not jesus, who is god, but god, for sins that, not jesus, god gave you, and you've earned them, you've inherited them, aside from the original sin, from your ancestors, to adam and eve, so that you can be a good goy, i mean christian, and proclaim your sins so that god, not jesus, can forgive you. Oh, and also, there's the holy ghost, but nobody cares about that part of the trinity.

So for god to be all loving he must have something else eternal to have always loved. A single entity god can't love for there is only itself. One god in 3 persons allows god to be all loving as all persons in god can love eachother and exist in harmony.

God the father is entirely separate from his creation, he is invisible and can't interact with it, most likely because he is perfection and his creation is corrupted and has sin so its logically impossible for perfection and corruption to mix. The holy spirit broachs the void between heaven and reality and carries out gods will in reality. God the son or the word or the logos or the Angel of the lord, is able to take on physical and human form to allow communication and interaction with the father and the holy spirit. It is only through the word who sacrificed himself on behalf of our sins and corruption that we will be able to reach the father and unify with god in theosis and perfect harmony. Thus why christians have to repent their sins through jesus in order to rid themselves of their corruption. Those who do not repent will be destroyed eternally on the day of judgment for it is logically impossible for god to unify with a corrupted spirit. This on judgment day god will cease to know unrepentant sinners and they will be destroyed.

Jesus is god's smurf. It's easy to be topfragger if you have already unlocked the best weapons. So he said: "See, you can rule with lvl 1 gear. Git gud scrubs."

>i use reddit
>Sup Forums is not user-friendly

wewlad

Reddit is less user friendly than anything

>anime triggers shitskins
Jews fear the samurai.

>The trinity is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
Yes, but why? In Kabbalah, the creation starts from the father, Kether or Crown. Allmighty reduced himself so his creation may exist. He created a vessel of himself, Chokmah, pure force, this is the son. And He created of himself a vessel Binah, that gave form to creation. This is the Great Mother.

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LARPagan fedora trash don't breed. Opinions discarded.

>mfw I'm a Thelemite
>mfw I have two daughters
You're the only LARPing, Ezekial.

>fedora trash don't breed.
are you telling them not to, or pointing out the fact that they don't?

One of the ten commandments says that there's only one god. Christians wanted to worship Jesus as a god. The church wanted to keep the ten commandments. The holy trinity thing is their loophole, so they can say that these two gods only count as one god.

The "third" god, the holy spirit, is just impossible to understand without getting into a discussion of Gnosticism, an early form of Christianity that competed with the church. I am trying to keep this post simple so I won't go down that rabbithole.

Behead those who insult anime.

Briefly, the Trinity is essential because God Himself sacrificed his own divine essence as atonement for original sin. Had Jesus not been fully human and fully divine, the sacrifice would only been slightly more useful than a standard animal sacrifice. Christ was God made flesh, in order to suffer and die at the hands of his own creation so that they may have the opportunity to share in eternal love with HIm forever.

The Holy Spirit is necessary primarily due to free will. The Spirit is a guiding force without a forceful hand, which would in turn turn God into a dictator.

These are the cliffnotes version.

God is a title, of 3 persons. Lord Jesus was given the title of God, He came in the flesh. He is the Word of God, and Son. His spirit, is the Holy Spirit of truth. God's Word is truth.

>there are people that believe what this post just laid out

Yes, because it's true.

Since the condemned reject the truth and the love of it, they don't recognize it.

>because it's true.
I'd be willing to join the club if this could be proven.

Ill look into it, thanks.

>The guy denigrating Christianity is a follower of a black magic sodomy cult founded by a Free masonic British agent.
>A guy who sacrificed cats, raped children, was a heroin addict, and liked to drink semen and period blood.

Wow Christ cucks BTFO right?

Do as thou wilt. What any other man does is no concern of mine unless he violates my rights.

God is a dictator to deluded christians already though. "Do exactly as I say or burn in hell forever" makes gulag look like elementary school detention.

Also the "Jesus sacrificed himself for humans" thing is completely and utterly retarded. How does Jesus doing that somehow absolve humans of sin? If god is almighty, why did he have to jump through a bunch of irrational hoops like that?

Christians are morons.

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Kloe Kane

Yeah, see, this isn't any kind of solution to the "there's only one god" problem. A title can be awarded to anybody.

Your chart doesn't say anything about religious belief and it lacks sources anyhow.

>do as thou wilt unless it violates my rights
you killed the edginess that phrase once had

Yeah well I don't recognize that.

Adolf Hitler shut your moronic Semitic black magic cult down. Your O.T.O "enlightened" masters were stuck in concentration camps where faggot black magicians belong.

Be sure to do your banishing ritual before you guzzle that magic cum.

> Trusting this jewish-level intellectual reasoning.

You've already been pozzed Norgecuck. It's like you never even understood why your ancestors converted in the first place.

triangles were the strongest geoforms at the time.

>he would be fine with a marxist college professor tricking his kids into being trannies and mutilating themselves.

Hey man my "rights" are fine, sounds ok to me.

Christianity is known for its spiritual depth.

How is it edgy to respect my fellow man's freedoms and expect him to respect my own in turn?
>worships a sand nigger deity
>calls others dumb cultists
Hitler was a failure. I don't prescribe to the idea of ingesting bodily fluids for ritualistic purposes.
I wouldn't send my daughters to college, a woman's place is in the home raising her children. If Commies want to violate my rights through violence by themselves or through the state that is a violation of my rights and I would respond accordingly.

Cults never make sense to people outside of them.

>implying the catholics don't secretly run the masons

The original Masons were the ones who built all the cult indoctrination centres known as churches and cathedrals. Here's a pic of the Pope''s snake stage.

what kind of mind virus causes people to post images like this on Sup Forums

More like Crowley was a failure when at the end of his life he realized where he was going in his last moments.

The trinity doesn't exist. Nowhere in the Bible is the Holy Spirit referred to as something with a unique personality and separate consciousness. The Holy Spirit is the manifest power of God, which consists of the Father and the Son. The Son is also referred to as the Word of God.

"The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

God is a family, not a trinity. Just as we are made in His likeness, so too do our families reflect Him.

I can't really argue with that. Hitler was still a failure to be learned from and not an idol to worship like the neo-nazis worship him or like the cuckolds worship Yahweh.

don't bother

Cuckianity was a mistake

it literally ruined our country

Crowley was still a powerful and wise occultist who did a lot of cool stuff. He destroyed himself eventually, but he still lived a cool life.

Hitler just managed to burn down Europe, kill millions of white people and create a moral basis for the west which prevents us from even agruing against immigration effectively.

Athiest strawmans are hilarious. Unironically thinking they are clever just reveals ignorance though

Its because they are trying to prove to themselves that Jesus was not just a man with schitzofrenia.

What does the Holy Spirit do and why is it necessary when you have Jesus?

>God is a family. There are 3 entities in the family that all form the same being that is god

So like a trinity

Well, that fact that there is no evidence for a deity means that we should not believe one.

Why not just drop a few more dimensions? All you really got to do is justify them too in some roundabout way.

>Nowhere in the Bible is the Holy Spirit referred to as something with a unique personality and separate consciousness. The Holy Spirit is the manifest power of God, which consists of the Father and the Son.

Reading is hard, its ok

But if you don't believe in that which I have no evidence to prove you really are just an ignorant fedora meme lol.

There is a lot of evidence for a deity in science and logic. Check out inspiringphilosophy youtube channel quantum god playlist. It's actually irrational to not believe in god

Jesus' baptism the holy spirit takes on the form of a dove distinct from the father.

Genesis has the holy spirit flying over the water. It is a separate entity.

Not really.
Why must the universe have a start?
You assume God has no start.
Matter literally has godlike properties. Indestructible, uncreatable, and ever-present.

You mean if I do not believe in things without evidence then I am being logical.

The concept of a deity defies everything we know about the Universe. You would need astounding evidence to believe in mythological concepts.

this is perhaps the most complex subject in all of Christendom. The Orthodox have no answer. The Catholics have no answer. You have to go to around the time of 300-500 A.D. to see anyone even having serious discussion about it. I have NO idea where it came from. I can't find any source on the theology of the Trinity.

As an example you have Arianism and you can trace it to one guy or so, but with the Trinity you can't trace it to any origin speaker. Not that I know of. If I'm wrong, prove me wrong. I'm saying I don't know where it came from and haven't found a source of origination.

Nothing changes. There is only one God. He manifested himself to us in three persons because if he stayed in his heaven, in unapproachable light, we would never know who he was, or what he wanted.

I'm an atom worshiper now.

The big bang theory has proven the universe has a beginning. We know the exact point in which it came into existence. If something has a beginning then it is not necessary and must have been created by an entity that is necessary and timeless. God does have no start because general relativity and quantum mechanics has proven that time is just a dimension in the physical world and does not exist outside of reality. God must be timeless because then he would have to have been created.

Matter did not exist before the big bang and quantum mechanics proves it does not exist until a conscious mind is capable of knowing its location.

topkek

Yeah people who worship Satan and abuse children are really cool.

That argument is completely retarded.
>If you try to save your own people your enemies win.
>Jews using the pretext of Hitler to strip Europeans of their rights means that's Hitlers fault and they wouldn't be doing that irregardless of Hitler.

Paganism.
Trinity is very commom among all indo-european peoples.

Christianity is barely christian at all. Even the word "Christ" is greek

>Matter did not exist before the big bang and quantum mechanics proves it does not exist until a conscious mind is capable of knowing its location.
wrong nigger that only proves that what you don't know of doesn't exist beyond your brain BUT ONLY TO YOU, does that mean that the world didn't exist before you were born?

>Anime poster
Not a christian

Who is Satan? Isn't Satan a title, and not actually anyone's name? I thought it was just the word for "bad guy" as in "enemy of the cult of Yahweh"

mmm ok, i used to teach sunday school and i would explain int to the 5 to 7year olds, the holy trinity, God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit.

So there is God, the creater of us all the father of us all and he loves us all, his children.

His children sinned so much he could not bear the damage they did to eachother and to their souls.

He used to instruct his children to sacrifice animals to pay for there sins, for there must be a blood price of each sin, so they could stand before God clean, but his children sinned so much there could never be enough cleansing.

To save us from ourselves, He was born as a man and lived a blameless life, to sacrifice that life to pay the ultimate blood libel. His blood would cleanse all our sins forever.

The holy spirit is the the soul of God moving in all of us, with the blood libel payed we are clean and worthy to house the spirit of God and he can do wonders in our lives.

So God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit are three and they are one, and they are one and they are three.

Amen

No it doesn't it is proved by it. Look at quantum mechanics. You just think it does because good goy and jewish funded scientists try to shut it down and keep you ignorant. Learn more about physics and logic and you will realise that you have to prove it is impossible for god to exist for him to not exist and that its irrational to not believe in a creator. A something from nothing universe is completely illogical and athiest edgy mythology

Fuck off Achmed.
sage

You still have yet to provide evidence for a deity.

>His children sinned so much he could not bear the damage they did to eachother and to their souls.
I don't get this part. How do the sins of past men apply to a new life?

>The big bang theory has proven the universe has a beginning
We know that's where our current universe starts, but no one knows what was there before it.

>Matter did not exist before the big bang
This is a huge logic leap to make.
For all of known human existence, we have not discovered any rules that state that matter has a beginning and an end.

The smaller, more rational leap would be to assume that these global rules also existed at the time of the Big Bang.
Now, since neither of us have any definitive knowledge of what was there before, this position has to also make an assumption.
What if all matter already existed at that point in time?
Since it was all at one small point, it seems like it would try to violently escape itself in all directions, based on all logical known forces.
What kind of force might put everything at one point? Do we know know of one?
Could it have been gravity? After all, it fits the bill so far.
Etc, etc,...

>God must be timeless because then he would have to have been created
No, you could also take it from another position.
You could assume that a universe cannot exist empty, so that became a logical paradox that forced God into existence. Nobody created him, just the paradox of nothingness meant his being was demanded.

Ooh he's asking interesting questions now. You are denying empirical proof and evidence becauase it doesn't fit you athiest world view. Unfortunately quantum mechanics disagrees with your worldview. But if it requires a cobscious mind for matter to exist, then how come we exist. Maybe an everpresent all knowing conscious mind exists observibg us. Really makes you think

I just did. Watch inspiringphilosophy youtube channel

>No it doesn't it is proved by it.

The Universe says nothing about deity's.

>Look at quantum mechanics.

Yes, what about it?

>You just think it does because good goy and jewish funded scientists try to shut it down and keep you ignorant.

Quantum mechanics is what our Universe looks on the small scale.

>Learn more about physics and logic and you will realise that you have to prove it is impossible for god to exist for him to not exist and that its irrational to not believe in a creator.

So far we have no physical evidence of a mind or anything sentient happening outside a brain. A deity goes to counter to everything we know about how nature works.

>A something from nothing universe is completely illogical and athiest edgy mythology

Have never seen a 'nothing' nor do we know if such a concept is real. You would have to provide an example of nothing that we can observe. Have evidence a deity created the Universe?

sorry, ive not explained myself so well, its nothing to do with past men, its what we do ourselves, its what we do to eachother.

we rob, cheat, lie, hurt etc. We all do, its the human condition. Because God is the light, the good and the pure, he cannot see or hear us from the darkness. He loves his children and needs them near him to give his protection and love. To be near God we need to be clean.

With his sacrifice, he cleaned us all so he can have an intimate and caring loving realtionship with his children.

As soon as you watch the atheist experience youtube channel. That or you could provide evidence for your assertion that a deity exists.

>Who is Satan?
The god Crowley worshipped and invoked in Liber Samekh.

O Sun IAF! O Lion-Serpent Sun, The Beast that whirlest forth, a thunder- bolt, begetter of Life!”

“Thou that flowest! Thou that goest!”

“Thou Satan-Sun Hadith that goest without Will!”

I don't know how you guys can follow a man who locked his wife's kid in a metal cage at the Abbey of Thelema and probably sexually abused him.

>Stupid Christ cucks that don't even think it's ok to rape kids.

You're not interested in it being proven. You're like a little kid sitting on the floor with his arms crossed and pulling a mean face because you don't want to move.

For you to discover the truth, you have to seek it. You are not doing that, so you won't find it, and thus you can't find "proof" of it.

*brings u proof*
>hurrr durr christfags
You won't find God until you look. That's really all there is to it. Until of course it's too late for you.

How can something come from nothing?

How can you deny timeless entities when science has proven time to just be a malleable aspect of this universe? Time is not necessary, it is contingent because it changes therefore it doesn't exist in all possible worlds.

>its what we do ourselves, its what we do to eachother.
>we rob, cheat, lie, hurt etc.
What about a life that hasn't done these things? Or are we supposed to operate under the belief that it's impossible to be free of sin?

Probably has roots in "body, mind, and spirit"
Personification of how we experience existance.
-Physical
-Intellectual
-Emotional

>How can something come from nothing?
Your mind is weak.
You assume there was a nothing.
What if there never was a "nothing".

Yes. Watch inspiringphilosophy youtube channel playlists. That is if you want to actually see the evidence

Fuck of you SJW atheist peace of shit and shove your black dildo up your Arse

These ideas are very old, older than Christianity. I guess I'll hash it out for you bucko, roughly speaking.

1) God the father is the old king. He created the culture and set up it's laws. He created order out of chaos by speaking existence into being. He represents the dead past that our culture is made out of. The old rules and traditions. But like Osiris in the Egyptian myth, belief is solely god the father is too rigid, it can't be updated to deal with the problems of the present.

2) This is where Jesus comes in, he's the great hero. He is born from the culture of God the father, but that culture is dead or dying. It always does this because everything humans create decays unless you constantly work to maintain it. So Jesus comes along and gives vision to the old laws of the old testament. He doesn't come to change the laws but to breathe new life into the spirit of those laws. The hero gives the old dead culture it's vision back so that it can see again and defeat the forces of decay and malevolence(that's Satan) that have decimated the once great culture. Then order can reemerge with God the father and the son as one ruling over the now living culture that's regained it's vision and ability to make order out of chaos.

3) The holy spirit is a bit weird. You can think of it as the spirit of the culture. If you take this same example and mythologise the united states (the founding fathers representing God the father and the dead past that initially created the state out of chaos, and the true American citizen as Jesus updating the culture and revivifying it by being awake and speaking the truth) the holy spirit would be akin to the independent, self reliant spirit of American culture. We might have to update our laws based kn circumstance, but we should do so with the guidance of the American spirit, if that makes sense.

Anyways, there's things from a Peterson perspective, roughly speaking, and that's that.

Sort yourself out.

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 1&version=KJV

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So you concede that you personally have no evidence for a deity?