You need capital to gain capital

>you need capital to gain capital

lol ... how do you people unironically defend this?!

don't you see that you are nothing but livestock and cattle serving the rich masters in this stupid system?

millions of immigrants are flocking into your country under the assumptions that they will become workers too ... but how many of you are actually going to employ them or benefit from them in any shape or form?!

this isn't because of socialists or liberals trying to attack your white identity ... it is because of capitalists wanting more and more

when will you wake up Sup Forums !?

ALTERNATIVELY:

CHALLENGE

Tell me how to gain wealth under the assumptions that i have zero assets to my name and only my body to gain wealth and make more wealth.

You're just a bitch

I had a 98% hs avg and went to an Ivy league in the states to study finance.

At 22 I made 3x median income

You're just a fucking beta

t. angry NEET fantasy in denial

Okay Germany

Explain to me all the ways to value a company

I'm waiting

Hierarchy is the natural order, forced equality of everyone in everything is completely unnatural and wrong. Even in communist societies there has always been a divide between the ones in the top and the ones in the bottom. The rich over the poor, the King over the commoner, the party elite over the low proletarian. This is how it always was, is and always will and must be.
Stay mad comrade.

Useful idiots for big corporations. It's ok to think like that if you come from the upper classes. But if you barely make a living and you defend capitalism then you're just a stupid goy.
And don't tell me that I'm a commie, nope, communism is a dead idology and it's not even a menace anymore. Communism is the scapegoat they indoctrinated you to hate so you don't rebel and take what it's rightfully yours.

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Most businesses starts out in their garage. Even big corporations like McDonalds, Taco Bell and other fast food started in as a small shack in one location. They all expand slowly over the years. But not everyone succeeds obviously.

>a company

lol .. doesn't exist

"a company" is what your masters told you it is.

It is made up of workers that put in labor and that is it. Whatever they produce will be shared equally among the workers.

Anything else is simply theft and you got tricked.

>Implying NatSocs support capitalism

Leverage.

Sometimes you can fake it and then make it before a loan, this isn't what you think it is, it's like having a tech business, only using virtual machines, changing your mother's internet to have a static IP address and meeting clients at coffee shops. You don't need a loan for this, but you need to know what you're doing. Oh, and if you try this without social skills, you'll get people offering a tenth of what actually is profitable. You need skills and you need social skills.

More likely, you draft a proposal right down to where you want to rent (hint, tiny warehouse) and then you hire people who do know what they're doing. A bank will give you sufficient amount of money, likely less than you asked for, and you start getting clients. Where do you get clients? Hahaha what a faggot, I'm a call my old boy's network or ask my uncle.

Utility, profits, employee size.

Corporations will die if we flood the market with small businesses. After that the only monopolies left are people handling dangerous stuff for the 3-8 companies who actually need this and do their thing for their 3-8 companies for a total of 64 companies. They will hire up to 640 to 3200 people between them, which is more than the 100 people a corporation allowed monopoly status would employ in the same situation.

We had an employment crisis because corporations. Corporations then isolated this crisis amongst white men using diversity policies who were then told to shut up by the media because privilege. The mainstream media and large corporations are working together, why do you want anything besides YouTube and educational subscriptions?

>I suck therefore fuck the rich
Capitalism is the closest thing a modern society will ever have to natural selection. The productive people gt rich, useless people like you get homeless. Get fucked you filthy useless commie.

What's stupid about this post is you are implying money is the only thing that can lead to happiness, success, and fulfilment. Don't ever be fooled into believing that which does not make a ton of money or an enormous profit or is known nationwide is without value.

Growing up I had friends poor and rich. I lived in the ghetto myself. Some of the happiest and most fun times I've had were when I was with my poor friends and their families. Some of the most boring and loathsome was when I was with my rich friends.

There's more to life than money.

Most of the allegedly National Socialist on this board somehow support capitalism and free market. Most of them supported Trump and were cucked afterwards. Shit, they even support Pinoshit who was a neoliberal cuck. Most of them don't realize that National Socialism is Socialism after all

"useful idiot" is literally a word they came up with to describe young communists lol

>McDonalds
>The McDonald family moved from Manchester, New Hampshire to Hollywood in the late 1930s, where brothers Richard and Maurice McDonald began working as set movers and handymen at Motion-Picture studios.[1] In 1937, their father Patrick McDonald opened "The Airdrome", a food stand, on Huntington Drive (Route 66) near the Monrovia Airport in Monrovia, California

Family run business and daddy invested money in a restaurant.

>you need capital to gain capital

holds up here

That's only the case if the capitalist society is a meritocracy, which nobody agrees that it is. Someone like Paris Hilton is not as valuable to society as some floor nurse, and yet Paris is a millionaire. Your post is just more evidence of Mexico's shitty education system and inability to imbue its pupils with critical thinking skills.

You are just a useful sheep, really.
Do not ever complain about any other fantastic "Other" then, for it is only "natural".

Well I'm using it to describe any dumb person that is used by ideologies like communism and neoliberalism to support the elite's agenda.

The reason Marxism has never worked isn't because nobody has implemented your super specific magical "good" kind of Marxism, it's because Marxism is an incoherent religion from the ground up

did you run out of pixelcoins or why is that picture too small?! maybe someone holds a patent on a larger version of that image?! how about you ask for permission from your masters to obtain a license that'll allow you to use this picture

Lmao

DCF, Comps, M&A premiums, DDM, LBO, multiples is what I was looking for.

Damn, you really are pathetic

Why is OP spouting soviet ideology? I thought the Soviet Union was dead. Sleeper cells and holdout fighters like in the jungle in Asia?

Also, it's poor people who are fat, not rich.

Stupid picture.

indoctrinated lost soul

i hope you find salvation one day

>He still thinks it's Marxist Socialism

Why is it always the victims of free markets such as Mexipoors who are its biggest supporters? You are a literal cuck

I fuck models and blow money every weekend

If I died tommorrow I would have lived a life 10000x yours. I built mine, you just hid in the basement

cringe ... let me ask you .. are you crying while you type all of this out because you secretly know im right?

I bet 10 bucks you're a pencilneck virgin.

>crying because he's too chicken shit to actually accomplish anything.

Why are aussies such fucking faggots lately?

Bet your life savings

but what if the labor that produces the service isnt worth as much for the total part of the product? The people who do work which adds more value to the product get paid more.

>wasting an "ivy" league education on finance

For someone claiming to be smart, you made an idiotic claim.

Finance majors are for wealthy frat kids who already have a lined up job and need one of the (relatively) easiest qualifications that vaguely applies to inheriting someone else's effort

She does have value. Her value is exactly how much ppl are willing to pay her. She gets large sums of money for public appearances and has made quite a bit of money for TV. It may not seem like she can do anything and I'm not sure she can, but her identity has value and ppl are willing to pay for it.

what system, compared to the USA for the last 50 years, is more of a meritocracy?

>Someone like Paris Hilton is not as valuable to society as some floor nurse, and yet Paris is a millionaire.
You alone don't get to decide that, the market (all consumers) does. Stop crying about everyone not thinking exactly what you think and liking exactly what you like. Stop your control-freak tendencies and sort yourself out.

>What's stupid about this post is you are implying money is the only thing that can lead to happiness, success, and fulfilment.
Ever not had money? Being a grown man saving up 5$ a week just to have a social life once a month is far from dignified. Not having money, and I mean real poverty, makes it impossible to not have happiness, success and fulfillment.

You need a minimal level. Billions won't make you happier than multiples of six figures, but a high 5 figure wage will make you vastly happier than being on the streets.

No, fuck you, money does buy happiness, but happiness is cheaper than you think.

>ghetto myself
Basically where the government pays for housing so the residents can use as much money as possible for happiness thus lowering that threshold for money happiness? After you got your EBT, what do you actually buy with your own money?

You were spoiled and you never even knew it.

On your deathbed, why would anyone deny you your last will and testament to dictate how your wealth is used? Her grandparent wanted to keep his retarded granddaughter safe and happy. Is there any greater goal than family?

>night of the long helicopter rides when

>German intellectuals
If Capital is not needed then why does Germoney insist on trying to get Greece to pay denbts? Afterall wealth must just fall from the sky if you don't need capital right? I mean why not just get the banks to add a few extra zeroes in everyone's account? That way nobody needs to work again!

I will be the first to agree that capitalism is the most efficient way to create wealth. The fact that at some point you become rich enough, often through generations, and can then live off the labor of other people from rent and other passive methods, is just wrong. That end game is simply exploitation, not least because it is NOT a state that everyone can achieve, even through hard work, simply because then nobody would be doing any of the actual work. That is the root of the problem with capitalism.

And you must be the stupidest and most cucked piece of shit ever.

Especially considering how this country is basically being colonized by transnational corporations where people have no choice to sell themselves to factories for long hours and meager pay.

This shit has been destroying families and our sense of community.

You are likely some revolting underage Chicano who is well protected and shelter. by your parents.

Fucking dumbass.

Heil Hitler gringo conchetumare

You have the wrong person.

Yeah that's totally a rational society. Keep justifying bullshit to yourself, silly goy.

That's a shitty society. That's not indicative of the famed rational distribution of resources in capitalist economies. Why should the bulk of society accept that Paris is apparently worth millions? The market is not a god and is not in and of itself rational.

I'm much more accomplished than the average person, which means I'm not retarded enough to buy the corporate spiel about how great capitalism is.

>Mexico

Sorry nigger, only the first world gets to talk about capitalism. I'm sure Somalians hate it as much as you, free money is what you want right?

>Especially considering how this country is basically being colonized by transnational corporations where people have no choice to sell themselves to factories for long hours and meager pay.
As opposed to not selling themselves and staying jobless? As much as those corporations suck, they still are better than living in utter poverty. Hell, without them even the informal wages would be even lower because there would be even less competition for quality people. Congratulations, everyone will be equally poor without those oh so evil corporations.

I want to kill all you commies. My parents came into this country dead broke from a shithole (Greece). Both my parents worked as janitors, fast forward 20 years and they own 10 properties, have a home worth 10 million $ and all their children have graduated from private schools and have gone to the best universities that the country has offered. My dad built a successful company worth millions through risking all his savings and he invested wisely in property, stocks, bonds, etc. We weren't privileged. My parents just put their blood sweat and tears and we made it. Most people would rather become average and not put in the work and that's why we have a Middle Class. Rich people work their ducking assess off. Day in, day out.

Today. I'm studying Computer Science and have goals of starting my own company, I know I'm set for life, that's all thanks to capitalism, the greatest system ever invented which allows former peasants like me to one day become kings.

I want to spit on the face of every single commie who hates on this system. These people are willingly promoting the suffering of millions of people. Death to communism.

How do you become rich enough to live off the labor of other ppl? I'm not rich and I live off the labor of other ppl. All the food I buy is produced thru someones labor. All the clothes I wear, and everything I do was built off of labor. I know you said passive methods, but you are still spending money Even if you are rich. Still paying for the service of the labor and still stimulating the economy. Wealth is not zero sum and others are able to create wealth too.

Capitalism is millions of people making decisions that benefit themselves and in turn benefit everyone else. Capitalism is the only fair system.

Socialism makes everyone poor.

These burgers are fucking stupid. They are so indoctrinated they are actually valuing Paris Hilton as good because she knows how to sell herself while a guy like Nikola Tesla dies poor.

>wahh wahhh people should stop liking what I don't like
It's not your money, you don't get to order people what to do with it. Deal with it.

So you can jump from the bottom of the pyramid to a pretty high level by just becoming a member of the clergy? Good to know.

What's that got to do with anything brah? Paris is a retard therefore she deserves to be a millionaire? Most rich people are parasites and contribute nothing to society. Their claim to wealth is through ownership, not value.

>millions of immigrants are flocking into your country under the assumptions that they will become workers too ... but how many of you are actually going to employ them or benefit from them in any shape or form?!
>this isn't because of socialists or liberals trying to attack your white identity ... it is because of capitalists wanting more and more

> Litterally the only people to point this out. It would not have been understood/expressed otherwise (same with political corruption / abuse involving muslims)
> Get asked why you don't see it.

Hipsters always come late to the party acting like they own it by ignoring the efforts made by others.

>my parents
>i did nothing but reap in all the benefits of the system
>i got born rich and privileged
>its the best system
>fuck everyone else

lol

>tfw when your the 1% and commie plebs keep coming to your boards

Australia doesn't have a capitalist society. If it did it would collapse on 5 minutes. We have a pseudo capitalist, mixed market social economy with heavy government intervention in the economy. This bootstraps meme is so old.

Obviously I don't you fucking retarded mexinigger. Holy shit you're a moron

They don't accept that she is worth millions, they allow her to be worth millions. If no one watched her shows or bought items from her clothing line she would have to find another way to make money.

I don't really know what you mean by "rational" in your response, but all I can say is that people are worth what others are willing to pay them and you see that reflected here.

Do you own a big company? Are you a shareholder? I don't really think a succesful busy captialist man would be wasting his time on Sup Forums so I assume you are not. So, how are making any decision if you are just only consuming in a capitalist system? Sure, I can pick between Coke and Pepsi so I'm free.

If socialism doesn't work then explain Nazi Germany.

Great argument, strayan cunt.

>Have only body
>Use body for labor in exchange for wage
>Save compensation accrued from wage
>invest in capital
>Gain Returns from capital investment
>invest in more capital
>repeat

You said it yourself, use your body to gain wealth and make more wealth.

>mentioning hitler
how did your dear leader die again?

its just bantz bro, I dont even like pinochet and I really hate america fucking with other peoples countries...i could give fuck all if you people Venezula up your quaint little patches of land.

so in other words

>bent over and take it up the ass until you are dead

thats my only option? thanks for agreeing with me

I don't know why it's this way, but it is. I don't own a tv anymore, but I remember the wave of reality tv shows in the mid 00's. It's crazy what ppl will watch.

According to the capitalist ideology, people are worth what others are willing to pay them. My contention, and I'm not the first to make it by a long shot, is that that doesn't equate to a rational distribution of resources. By rational I mean in the benefit of society at large.

You are just daddy's lil boy.

>working in order to improve your quality of life is taking it up the ass
Peace is war.
Freedom is slavery.
Yadda yadda yadda.

You didn't come up with an argument in the first place. I don't get to order people around re their money? Of course I don't you insufferable peon

>business owner checking in
START AN ELECTRIC CAR COMPANY IN SANTIAGO, you fucking mapuche.
I have traveled to chile and the air quality is horrendous without a good breeze.

you defend capitalism visciously in this thread yet you somehow still live in the shithole that is mexico

if capitalism is so great and beneficial for you how come you are not posting this from your beach house in the hamptons or something?!

oh wait ........... you have no pesos and you will never get them

Antifag we will find you smash you , destroy and KEK you

It does allow for wealth to be generated. A constantly increasing GDP does benefit society.

It's just ends up being the same as feudal lords. There is no point in tolerating them.

I would even agree that investors are able to create even more wealth with their capital. I just don't think it's right for people with capital to be able to live passively off this capital, because it is so rarely obtained through real meritocracy, and can be passed down generations. Again, the opportunities are just not there for everyone to live this way, by just basic common sense, so this creates a privileged class that effectively profits from another one.

How much money do you think it takes to open a food stand? And you proved the point, the brothers worked as fucking stage movers and handymen to help gain the capital. Are you an orphan or something? Is it so hard to get your family to help invest with you? You can get friends to help invest, you can get a bank loan to help you invest and you pay them back. It's not rocket science. But the fact is, the business has a low chance of competing and not going under depending on your business practices.

Paris Hiltons money went UP from trash tv watching retards and she spread it among other rich people

tickle down is just a meme

it is more of a tickling around between the rich.

Paris bought luxury bags, clothes, luxury travel, other rich people shit that only other rich people can provide to her and for her.

It'll always just stay in her circles.

Wealth is generated for the wealthy.

You're just fucking lazy bro. Seriously. You have to be retarded to stay in an economical situation where you can barely get by. Go get a fucking job. Research an rewarding skill. Most people assume rich people are lucky. Then they spend 90+ hours a week on Sup Forums. Go grind your fucking life out you faggot.

You think us guys high up in business aren't so fucked up in the head that these boards are the only thing we can relate to?

Always the ones with nothing to their name making bold claims with no proof.

What do you think I browse after working 16 hours, reddit?

I wasn't born rich you fucking cunt. My parents BECAME rich later on. And why I shouldn't I reap the benefits anyway? We are a collective society. Family is important. I want my children to become rich and have good lives. What's wrong with that? Tell me?

Right now, I have 25k in my bank account at 19 and that's all from working not getting money from parents . I can fucking assure you by the time I'm 50 I'll have a net worth of at least 60 mill. Why? Because I work hard motherfucker. I know how to create wealth. I know the secrets of the universe and the secret is that whatever you desire you can get if you are willing to sacrifice a lot and put your whole soul and being into your goals. My dad taught me this. My dad is in his late 50s and still works 7 days a fucking week despite being a millionaire. Why? Because he fucking loves it. He loves to work hard and that's the same with all rich fucking people.

Rich people are the most disciplined, hard working, committed, intelligent, beautiful, talented, etc. People in society and that's why they are fucking rich.

So suck my dick. When I get rich I'll make sure to give free helicopter rides to you cummunist filth.

So stop complaining and get to work you fucking commie. The time you've spent in this thread could be used in your career and business. Get working.

>How much money do you think it takes to open a food stand?

a lot .. capitalists protect themselves through regulations to the maximum which they use to protect their own wealth and markets and if you violate those regulations you end up in jail.

Health Regulations, this that. Banks won't give you credit cause the local Hot Dog Lord is the friend of the boss and so on

Don't come me with your bullshit.

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you need to get shot seriously

Because I'm not valuable enough to be rich, obviously. That doesn't mean that capitalism is bad, it means that others are better than me.

Because what you are saying is retardedly incomplete. To what extent can stuff benefit society? Actors getting paid for movies? USELESS! Nobody needs movies! When is something useful and when is something useless? Is having more than one brand of cereal useless? Is cereal useless?

Properly explain your position if you want a proper response.

-I'm not mapuche, though I would be proud if I was, they were a warrior master race.
-Middle class and low class people like me here can not start a company just like that because everything is a monopoly. 1% of the population owns 99% of the riches, that's what Pinoshit left us. Fuck both communism and capitalism alike.

Capitalism is not to blame for that. Cronyism is. Which literally no one defends.

Stop making excuses. Muh hotdog lord conspiracy theorist over here lol fuck off

Yes yes your plebbit spacing and bad LARPING show you are browsing reddit alot.

Then why rant about having all that money and being succesful if you have nothing better to do, you kissless fat virgin. All of that money can not buy you balls, faggot.

I don't understand the feudal lord part but everything else makes sense. Your saying that you don't like it when one generation becomes rich, and the progeny of the rich then don't have to make it like their parents did. You also don't like that everyone has the opportunity to live this way. I can understand that

Get shot why? Because you're a jealous loser? Is that why? In capitalism a peasant like my dad can become a king on top of the world. You can't do this with communism or any other system.

I will be richer than my dad because my work ethic is insane and because he step the foundation for me. I wake at 5 am every day, go to the gym, meditate and read a book for an hour, I eat breakfast then work on my side business and studies. I take the right actions like all rich people and reap the rewards. I don't waste time except when I'm telling commies to kill themselves.

Get working. Stop being envious. Study hard. Work hard. Cold call. Hand out fliers. Do whatever it takes to make your dreams a reality. You're a disgrace to your ancestors Hans. Change your ways. Make your forefathers proud instead of being a commie loser bitch.

You don't even need a bank loan. Start a catering hotdogs/burgers/whatever food you're good at cooking for birthday parties and private events. Once your little catering shindig is big enough, get a business license, lease a small shack. I know you won't cause you're already making excuses and won't even try.

If you don't want to deal with food, start learning to sell on ebay and amazon (yes there are lots of fees).

>not understanding economies of scale

Holy shit that's good brainwashing. Good job goy.

how do you account for the annual GDP in America increasing year after year?

Fuck off delusional faggot you don't deserve even half of what you got. If you become rich it's because your daddy gave you the money to do so. You won the lottery. Or you were at the right place at the right time. Stop talkin like everyone can be rich you just have to wake up in the morning and go work your ass off for a corporation and government who doesn give a shit about you. Fuck you filthy blood sucking hypocrite. I which your kind would die in the most painful way and we'll blow your helicopter with you in it.

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For?

You fucking Germans are a diagrace. 2 million refugees in your fucking subways, female leader, and somalis staying in your houses.

Point the gun back at yourself you fucking nog

>being 12
How's that working out for you?

australians really put in a lot of effort into their shitposting

It's pretty simple bro. The capitalist, free market is not a desirable method of determining the value of a given person's labour. You end up with situations where people who are effectively useless are filthy rich while people with real skills are middle class. There is no meritocracy, there is no rational distribution of wealth.