Why can't America have national healthcare like other developed country?

Henry Edwards
Henry Edwards

Why can't America have national healthcare like other developed country?

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Colton Brooks
Colton Brooks

Conservidumbs vote against their economic interests.

Eli Kelly
Eli Kelly

Wtf I hate America now

Jace White
Jace White

Because
american education

Daniel Jenkins
Daniel Jenkins

too many suburban and rural retards

Nathaniel Phillips
Nathaniel Phillips

Our founding principles are antithetical to socialism.

John Rogers
John Rogers

This has been asked multiple times before. Go away libral scum.

Gabriel Taylor
Gabriel Taylor

"ugh, stupid disgusting poors, why don't they vote for my party, don't they know how much we care about them"

Aiden Russell
Aiden Russell

nationalizing industries is for countries that aren't superpowers

Jaxson Fisher
Jaxson Fisher

More retarded leafs. Public health care is a bullshit scam. Canadas seniors now outnumber teens under 14. Our health care is already shit, its going to crumble more and more.

And it isnt free. With the amount of taxes I pay, I could have absolutely God tier health insurance. 40% of our budget is health care spending.

Juan Sanchez
Juan Sanchez

The insurance industry has the Government by the balls and nobody seems to give a shit.

Connor Harris
Connor Harris

We believe in personal financial responsibility...at least we used to believe in that.

Elijah Gray
Elijah Gray

How is it socialism
And why does this make it bad?

Elijah Price
Elijah Price

USA would get more 6 trillions in debt each year just to treat their fatties

Samuel Powell
Samuel Powell

How is industry nationalised?
There is still private healthcare if you so chose it

Jacob Mitchell
Jacob Mitchell

niggers

Jacob Moore
Jacob Moore

REALLY.
If you have to ask those questions, you should tie a brick around your dick and throw it off a rooftop.

Xavier Parker
Xavier Parker

Canadas seniors now outnumber teens under 14.
Those seniors won't be around for ever
You can manage them in their last 20 years just as you managed them in their first 20 years

Julian Taylor
Julian Taylor

Healthcare makes up like 22% of our economy. The costs would be completely out of control. The taxation associated with it would almost certainly put us on the wrong side of the laffer curve. We also don't have enough doctors. It would be signing our own death warrant.

Zachary Lee
Zachary Lee

Holy fuck you must be joking. People still have to pay taxes for that shit even if they have insurance.
Socialized healthcare literally means I have to pay for fat fucks that cant put down the soda. And for transexuals operations. And for abortions. And for health care for literal crackheads.

Ayden Ortiz
Ayden Ortiz

Me too, that's why aside from my government mandated superannuation pension I also have term deposits and government bonds :3
But the costs of major medical procedures and treatments are outside the realm of the average person, in America people are driven deep into debt or declare bankruptcy because of the cost

Austin Turner
Austin Turner

pretending to be retarded I take it? its too big and too racially mixed

Xavier Morales
Xavier Morales

what is a fucking aging populace

Thats not how it works. My God you honestly haven t bothered even doing a basic amount of study into this have you. Are you actually 18?

Jeremiah Bailey
Jeremiah Bailey

What's your source on this cost?
And you know they spend a trillion on the military, right?

Michael Morales
Michael Morales

How is it bad to alter the founding principles of a nation to its antithesis?

How is personal wealth being redistributed by the government socialism?

Your questions answered themselves.

Daniel Ward
Daniel Ward

I'd like to know how national healthcare is socialism
And why that makes it automatically wrong

Julian Phillips
Julian Phillips

Would you want to pay for Shaneeqa needing her third heart surgery?

Caleb Gutierrez
Caleb Gutierrez

The current costs are out of control because it must operate through a private system that adds in all kinds of extra costs
A national healthcare system would cut all of that
Saving money
Just look abroad, other countries spend far less per person on health

Nolan Baker
Nolan Baker

im just kidding

Jace Bennett
Jace Bennett

how is spreading medical costs among the rest of the population "socialism"?
Really m8?

Chase Watson
Chase Watson

Because in the US, health care is a consumer industry (i.e., a business run for profit) that stretches into every other industry, and turning it into a socialized system would require tearing the entire thing down and building a new system from scratch

Leo Moore
Leo Moore

Socialized healthcare literally means I have to pay for fat fucks that cant put down the soda
Then perhaps something should be done about that soda

Sebastian Turner
Sebastian Turner

Niggers.

Charles Fisher
Charles Fisher

because socialism sucks

Nolan Gomez
Nolan Gomez

Wow ok I will spoonfeed you,
Socialism is communism lite.
It involves taking money from some people that have more to pay for services etc for those that have less.
National healthcare means that the healthy, pay for those that are not healthy.
It also requires the government control of more of your money, and it requires far higher taxes, and it allows the government to extend its control over the populace ostensibly because they are now responsible for their health.

Juan Powell
Juan Powell

its too big
What does that have to do it?
too racially mixed up
How does that impede a national healthcare system

Kevin Foster
Kevin Foster

like what?

Hunter Nguyen
Hunter Nguyen

When the boomers were born there were more of them than everyone else
Yet society coped
Can any of that be applied to their aging?

Zachary Morales
Zachary Morales

Holy fuck. How about we just let people have PERSONAL FREEDOM instead of trying to regulate their personal behaviour and make other people pay when they fuck up.
Youre literally a cuck liberal that would like to ban pop or ration it or something.
Get out.

Connor Bailey
Connor Bailey

Because fuck you that's why, eat go suck a Wallabys dick you fucking kangaroo jockey. After you're done with that go drink some shitty fucking Australian beer and hit on some inbred busted ass girls in the outback m8

Josiah James
Josiah James

too racially mixed up
How does that impede a national healthcare system

Having a system where everyone contributes only works when everyone works off a common value system. I.e. everyone who commits fraud or other undesirable actions should feel shame, at the very least.

Non-whites feel no shame whatsoever. And it is shame that is causing the fall of the west. "OMG you would be the WORST person to not accept these poor war-torn rapefugees...:( :( :("

Andrew Perez
Andrew Perez

It was a founding principal to not have healthcare?
It was a founding principal to not have taxes?

Andrew Hernandez
Andrew Hernandez

Same reason Americans are anti socialised anything, even when it might benefit them. Would you support a shared socialised healthcare system with Zimbabwe?

Aaron Roberts
Aaron Roberts

Why can't we have voter ID like other developed countries? The United States is special.

Cooper Reyes
Cooper Reyes

1 We believe in liberty.
2 Our government can't run anything without ruining it.
3 We're 20 trillion in debt.

Angel Taylor
Angel Taylor

Yeah because that same system that helps her also helps me when I need it
And who knows maybe the system can also address why she needs it

Josiah Gutierrez
Josiah Gutierrez

No. Because the system was designed with a certain level of life expectancy.
As it raises more and more, the ponzi scheme starts to collapse.
In canada we are running our health care with borrowed money.

Ryan Rivera
Ryan Rivera

Well why is this bad?
No it wouldn't
Other nations with national healthcare systems run them parallel to private health insurers

Sebastian Collins
Sebastian Collins

Shaneeqa is already draining tens of thousands of dollars more from government coffers than she puts in user, she's not going to help you pay for your hip replacement

Ryan Rogers
Ryan Rogers

National healthcare means that the healthy, pay for those that are not healthy.
And when the healthy become unhealthy they also receive it
And isn't this also how private insurance works? You pay fire insurance for years and never receive it and a business that gets hit by an arsonist gets paid out
It also requires the government control of more of your money
How
it requires far higher taxes
Would it? America spends far more than other countries at the moment because it has to operate through private systems
A national healthcare system would cut through all that
You would save money

Julian Smith
Julian Smith

Well you complained about them drinking and that this why you can't have healthcare

Ayden Fisher
Ayden Fisher

Are you frustrated?

Oliver Reed
Oliver Reed

This is bait

Lucas Thompson
Lucas Thompson

That's not how national healthcare works, its not shared with other countries
We don't have voter ID

Oliver Collins
Oliver Collins

How is it bait? You can shame Jill down the street for having her tits done on the healthcare system, for "emotional needs". However, Oranjello has no such shame and will do such things all day long.

Jack Adams
Jack Adams

We don't have voter ID

Interesting, but most first-world nations do.

Colton Robinson
Colton Robinson

How is national healthcare an impediment to liberty?
government can't run anything without ruining it
Other countries can, why is America uniquely incompetent? It seems to be just the republicans who believe government is incompetent are determined to prove it everytime they are in office.
debt
Half the debt comes from the military budget, the rest from your current healthcare system having to operate through privatised means

Andrew Collins
Andrew Collins

How does it have a finite life?

Michael Anderson
Michael Anderson

How is national healthcare an impediment to liberty?

Because the government is involved in your health. It doesn't really get any more personal than that.

Kayden Garcia
Kayden Garcia

How
By higher taxes ffs.
Again, I reiterate - and not an opinion, but a fact.
40% of our budget is health care. That is an insane amount.
It is different than private insurance. You have CHOICE. You dont get choice with socialized health care.
I actually have medical insurance through work, that precludes me from having OHIP. However, I still pay the absurd taxes.
Moreover, its just another extension of the welfare state, where I, who pays over ten thousand in taxes on my income a year, get the same health care treatment as the piece of shit fat pop drinking disgraces on welfare.
Seriously, go to Reddit,

Chase Sullivan
Chase Sullivan

the fat people, duh

Eli Cook
Eli Cook

If she was healthy she might
And its not as bad as the millions drained by the energy sector not paying any taxes :3

Christopher Rogers
Christopher Rogers

Those seniors won't be around for ever
But more will show up

Jaxon Lewis
Jaxon Lewis

this

Colton Gutierrez
Colton Gutierrez

No they dont
It is a uniquely American fixation on a crime that doesn't happen

Isaiah Brooks
Isaiah Brooks

Yes, Dingo, it would. Even assuming Congress could get their heads out of their asses for one second and agree to change the status quo (they never will), socializing health care would jack up taxes (another thing Congress will never agree to) and lead to thousands of lost jobs in the insurance sector. I'll forgive you for not knowing this since you don't live here, but every American politician since 2008 bar none has had job creation as a part of his election platform. This means they promise to CREATE jobs, not REMOVE them.

Obama tried to reform health care without overhauling the system, and it didn't work because he didn't address the issues inherent in the foundation of the system, he just tried to work around it, which resulted in a half-assed, deeply flawed system that solved nothing.

Julian Carter
Julian Carter

When the boomers were born there were more of them than everyone else
Boomer generation was between 1946-1964
National healthcare as we know it was introduced in 1984

Joseph Rogers
Joseph Rogers

I literally just explained it to you. If the costs grow and grow because of an aging populace, welfare recipients not paying in, IE shit tons of non working immigrants, AND red tape plus bad governance, you start losing too much money. Then you start borrowing more and more.
It wont last another 100 years.

Zachary Cook
Zachary Cook

but then where would all the rich people go to get good healthcare?

Robert Wright
Robert Wright

You go to a doctor of your choice
Get treated
The government picks up part or all of the tab

What's the issue here?

The government is involved in your health inspecting food and meat plants and testing drugs to ensure they are safe and we never have a repeat of the thalidomide babies
Should this be stopped? Should you exercise your personal responsibilities and test your meat yourself for feces or salmonella?

William Miller
William Miller

higher taxes
Would they be higher?
America currently spends more per capita on healthcare than nations with national healthcare
The private system America must work through costs more than national healthcare systems
A national healthcare system would save America money

Anthony Rivera
Anthony Rivera

Less than boomers
And we help them the same way

Noah Gonzalez
Noah Gonzalez


The government is involved in your health inspecting food and meat plants and testing drugs to ensure they are safe and we never have a repeat of the thalidomide babies

Strawman. When things get that retarded, change happens. That's why we no longer have thalidomide babies. Fuck off with that shit.

I'm of English origin and I watched my father die in an English hospital last year, of sepsis, because they didn't want to give him antibiotics, because there was a rash of retards, (chavs, really) who would use said antibiotics until they felt better and then no longer, not completing the course, and thus allowing bacteria to become resistant.

Under the American system, he would have been given the antibiotics, as its just common fucking sense, and he would be alive today.

Jordan Sanchez
Jordan Sanchez

Because America is a soon to be third world country of 350 million people

Liam Torres
Liam Torres

That's not how national healthcare works, its not shared with other countries
The US is a bunch of heterogeneous states and is highly diverse within many of those states.
If they had ever been highly monocultural like US or the Nordics, they would have had socialised healthcare long ago. The "fuck you nigger, I got mine" attitude is a direct consequence of massive diversification forced by Jews.

Josiah Wilson
Josiah Wilson

Yes, Dingo, it would
No it wouldn't. Other nations with national healthcare systems also have private health insurance
Why would America be different?
jack up taxes
America currently spends on private health more per capita than nations with national healthcare
Money would be saved
If taxes did happen to go up, so what? You're paying for healthcare for yourself and others, why is that bad?
And money some of the money for it could come from the pentagon, saving the need to raise taxes
thousands of job losses in the insurance industry
Wasn't this one of the arguments against the ACA? But its actually led to job growth?
It would also mean that employers would no longer be obliged to provide healthcare for their staff, saving them money to expand or hire more or pay better
Obama tried to reform health care without overhauling the system
Because the insurance industry won't allow it
and it didn't work because he didn't address the issues inherent in the foundation of the system
Its inherent profit based motive
which resulted in a half-assed, deeply flawed system that solved nothing
You need to stop listening to Fox

Angel Cooper
Angel Cooper

Because as much as a big portion of Americans want big daddy government to take care of them, even more hate getting the fucking monkey shit taxed out of them. Plain and simple.

Not to mention, half of our problem with healthcare isn't whether or not the insurance companies or the government runs it... It's our pharmaceutical industry charging obscene prices against people's lives. Either we have shitty private health care, or we have shitty government health care that runs our financial situation even further into the dirt.

Josiah Nelson
Josiah Nelson

Private insurance companies main objective is to make a higher profit. They're a middle man that siphons money for no reason since they really try to screw you over every which may possible by not covering anything. You have a choice but its a real shitty one. Plus the paperwork is just a fucking mess from what I remember. Getting a simple MRI took years for them to pay back. And they became a new company since then so I still had to pay half the fucking cost. Why even bother.

Liam Jenkins
Liam Jenkins

Private healthcare still exists in nations with national healthcare

Jaxon James
Jaxon James

America is the only developed country

stop pretending that your healthcare, a scheme of socialist german bismark, btw, makes you special.

Free markets are best markets

Luke Gutierrez
Luke Gutierrez

It could, but demographic shifts & corporate interests make it not really feasible.

Anthony Sanchez
Anthony Sanchez

They're involved in the regulations on food testing. Private corporations do the testing.

I worked for one of those private corporations

Nathaniel Gutierrez
Nathaniel Gutierrez

Be American
Get sick
Go to doctor
Purchase medicine

Be Canadian
Get sick
Go to Doctor
Wait 5 months
Die

Ryder Evans
Ryder Evans

I realize it must be hard for you to lose the one achievement your country had to the leaves, but you're not going to get it back with weak ass posting like this.

Jeremiah Sanders
Jeremiah Sanders

Strawman
Its not a strawman. Its an involvement in your health. If you object to one form of involvement shouldn't you be objecting to other forms?
That's why we no longer have thalidomide babies.
Nope, it was blocked before there were any babies being born. It was blocked because the FDA requested more data and testing. While tis was going on the babies started showing up in Europe and Canada where the drug had been approved with little testing
You should check your history
when things get retarded, change happens
Look at tobacco
They spent decades denying there was a link to cancer, obscuring the science, delaying action
Without proper regulatory body testing the pharma companies could deny there is a link between their drug and side effects
people abusing antibiotics means we can't have national healthcare
Really? What were you saying about strawman?
Under the American system, he would have been given the antibiotics
And a gigantic bill
Why not meet in the middle?

Andrew Davis
Andrew Davis

This is bait

Andrew Jenkins
Andrew Jenkins

yes they would be way higher, not even debatable.
Heres a tip, why dont you just youtube Ted Cruz destroying Bernie Sanders on this very subject. Youll get the point. Maybe.

Zachary Ortiz
Zachary Ortiz

that's literally not an argument

Anthony Morris
Anthony Morris

Because someone has to be the last bastion of Economic freedom

Thomas Myers
Thomas Myers

Our country has 14 times as many people as your country Ausfaggots. We literally have twice as many niggers in our country as you have total people. You think that's a sustainable national healthcare system? Niggers don't tend to work, they're like your didgeridoo sucking welfare leeches in your country only they're about 5 times as violent

Josiah Anderson
Josiah Anderson

Again. So fucking what? I have private insurance from work.
i still pay the insane taxes
Get it?

Benjamin White
Benjamin White

Sums it up.
Wife broke her arm.
Over 8 hours in the hospital.

Austin Edwards
Austin Edwards

Are military is more important than most of these low life beggars. We actually have the resources to have a system like that and keep military spending (about 6Bil.) so peoples arguments about "muuuh military spending is too much" is pathetic in more ways then one. Socialized healthcare literally means I have to pay for fat fucks that can't put down the soda, for transexuals operations, abortions, alcoholics, drugy scum, ect. Those people made there mistakes and should feel the punishment for it. And no we do not have a free market health system right now so don't bother going on that rant ether.

Easton Baker
Easton Baker

big daddy government take care of them
Yes of course, its their irresponsibility they have cancer or were born with a hole in their heart or were hit by a drunk driver or a billion other things happened that aren't their own personal moral failings that the right hold up as strawman against healthcare
taxes
You spend more per capita on healthcare because you have to operate through private means than countries with national healthcare
You would save money
It's our pharmaceutical industry charging obscene prices against people's lives
Here in Australia we have something called the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. It uses government purchasing power to negotiate prices for vitally needed medication, leaving us with just a modest co-payment.
Apparently this is literally illegal in the USA.
runs our financial situation further into the dirt
Half the debt comes from military spending, most of the rest comes from not having a healthcare system and having to operate through private means

Parker Ortiz
Parker Ortiz

Are
American education

Ryder Sanchez
Ryder Sanchez

If the Germans thought it up, the master race, then doesn't that make it good?

David James
David James

They do it for the government

Liam Moore
Liam Moore

be Australian
go to doctor
get ankle x-ray
not pay a cent

be American
go to doctor
get $5,000 bill
he hasn't even seen me yet

Wyatt Roberts
Wyatt Roberts

YouTube an insurance shill lying
No
It doesn't need one

Blake Anderson
Blake Anderson

Maybe for you aussies
Be canadian
Could be shot throught the heart
8 hr wait time

Asher Phillips
Asher Phillips

You made such a great argument that you didn't even need to say it, it just wins by virtue of existing inside your head?
I'd like to hear this one

Joshua Morales
Joshua Morales

mommy, what economy of scale

Henry Howard
Henry Howard

nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11846000
b-but muh single payer efficiency

Lucas James
Lucas James

Your taxes currently pay for the government fund healthcare through the private system
Which costs more than a national healthcare system would
Money saved

Easton Morales
Easton Morales

Welcome to the emergency room triage

Cooper Reyes
Cooper Reyes

take a break new fag

Juan Cooper
Juan Cooper

Great argument, friend.

Liam Reed
Liam Reed

Defence is double what that chart says, 1.12 trillion
Why is military more important? Are you under threat from something? The Cold War ended 27 years ago didnt it?
so peoples arguments about "muuuh military spending is too much" is pathetic in more ways then one.
How? You admit you could pay for both, but don't so how is that pathetic?
Socialized healthcare literally means I have to pay for fat fucks that can't put down the soda, for transexuals operations, abortions, alcoholics, drugy scum, ect.
And here we see the compassion of the morally superior Christians of the Republican Party.
Those people made there mistakes and should feel the punishment for it.
That's what Jesus would do, right?
fat soda
Do something about the soda?
abortions
Do you want unwanted babies being brought up without proper parental care?
alcoholics, druggy scum
Addictive personalities and impulse control and social pressure
(Its interesting that the Coors family are bigger funders of the right)

Jason Foster
Jason Foster

our*

David Barnes
David Barnes

New Zealand doesn't have national healthcare
Make me

Bentley Johnson
Bentley Johnson

In 2012, New Zealand spent 8.7% of GDP on health care, or US$3,929 per capita. Of that, approximately 77% was government expenditure
Avoiding the point user

Lincoln Morris
Lincoln Morris

Watch it and learn something.
By that logic I shouldnt watch it because it had a haggard communist in it.
Fuck off shill.

Juan Thomas
Juan Thomas

If you other countries want to pay for our fats and niggers, by all means take them.

Jeremiah Moore
Jeremiah Moore

Thanks tips.
We have fucking people lying in the hallway unable to get into beds.
Seriously, you dont know how bad it is,

Gabriel Ross
Gabriel Ross

The cold war ended.

Nathan Carter
Nathan Carter

learn something
The lies of the health insurance industry?

Adam Scott
Adam Scott

It didnt?
Should put some more money into hospitals
I've only ever had to go the ER once and yeah it was a long wait
Stood up too fast under some stairs and cut open my scalp on an I beam, it was a small cut but couldn't stop it bleeding given the location and this was in a kitchen so I had to go
Because that's the nature of ERs, most important first

Nathan Hill
Nathan Hill

It paused, briefly.

Landon Campbell
Landon Campbell

Again, that argument holds no water, because I had to listen to the lies of a doddering communist.
What, are you afraid?

Bentley Walker
Bentley Walker

Should put some more money into hospitals
Just throw more taxpayer money around at the problem, that always works.
Hint - it doesnt.

Gavin Adams
Gavin Adams

are you afraid of the lies of a corporate shill
Oh you
communist
Sanders is a new dealer
doddering
Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT. Good genes, very good genes, OK? Very smart: the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart. You know, if you’re a conservative Republican—if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican, they try—oh, do they do a number. That’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune. You know, I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged. But you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me: it would have been so easy—and it’s not as important as these lives are. Nuclear is so powerful. My uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power—and that was 35 years ago—he would explain the power of what’s going to happen, and he was right. Who would have thought? But when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners— now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three. And even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger: “Fellas,”—and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so you know it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so ... And they, they just killed, they just killed us.

Matthew Brown
Matthew Brown

Maybe some tax cuts for the rich will fix it

Angel James
Angel James

How? You admit you could pay for both, but don't so how is that pathetic?
Looks like you don't know what you are talking about. We don't and can't right now because medical costs are through the roof. If that is fixed then we could pay for every one because it would be affordable (btw i use to be a supporter for Universal health care.)
And here we see the compassion of the morally superior Christians of the Republican Party.
That's what Jesus would do, right?
If you want to talk about the bible then i can quote.
"If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat."
"Be not among drunkards or among gluttonous eaters of meat, for the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags."
Further more, abortions are murder and bad parents should have their kids taken if they are so bad.

Jeremiah Diaz
Jeremiah Diaz

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Holy fuck you all need to go back

Bentley Jones
Bentley Jones

We don't and can't right now because medical costs are through the roof.
Medical costs are currently through the roof because you currently have to operate through a private system that tacts on all kinds of extra profit making costs
A national healthcare system would save money
Just look at the per capita costs between America and other developed nations
So, who is it that doesn't know what they are talking about?
If that is fixed then
See above
Fixing it means adopting a national healthcare system that would be cheaper and more efficient
and bad parents should have their kids taken if they are so bad.
Taken by who, the state!? Who pays for this?! With TAXES!!1'

Ian Cox
Ian Cox

people who disagree with me are from reddit

Jacob Sullivan
Jacob Sullivan

american government is so corrupt
the american government should control our healthcare

you see the problem?

Leo Morgan
Leo Morgan

need to go to dentist
ring up public dentist
they tell me they need to put me on the waiting list
say okay, I can wait for a bit
they tell me the waiting list is approximately 2 years
u wot m8
say fuck it and just pay for private dental health care
get a call that my name came up on the waiting list 2 years later after I had already forgotten about it
wow... so this is the power of... nationalized health care....

Ryan Gray
Ryan Gray

It seems to only be corrupt when it benefits the rich
In other cases its quite efficient
You and I are communicating thanks to a host of technologies the government developed under the deceitful cover of defence

Except wifi
My government invented that by funding pure research at the CSIRO :3

Isaac Sanchez
Isaac Sanchez

Dentists aren't covered by Medicare you lying swine
And when I call dentists they book me in for the next available appointment that's good for me, a couple days or more at the most

Mate, don't be a dopey cunt here people's lives are at risk

Joseph Ramirez
Joseph Ramirez

I merely shared my exact experience friend

that is exactly what happened

Ryan Wright
Ryan Wright

Fixing it means adopting a national healthcare system that would be cheaper and more efficient.
It is not that simple. The USA has a habit of shafting doctors, hospitals & actually any one. If any one did start a national health care system I would propose an allowance system to each person and for legit medical problems. And also monopolies are another problem. FUCK PATENTS AND COPY RIGHTS. FORMULAS AND COMPOUNDS DON'T BELONG TO ANY ONE YOU JUST FOUND IT FIRST. THEY BELONG TO EVERY ONE.
Taken by who, the state!? Who pays for this?! With TAXES!!1'
you assume I don't like taxes. WRONG!!1 taxes are necessary and I would purpose punishment for all who do not pay, because tax evasion is a crime that deserves justice regardless of any extra costs taken to find these people.

Benjamin Baker
Benjamin Baker

The USA has a habit of shafting doctors, hospitals & actually any one. If any one did start a national health care system I would propose an allowance system to each person and for legit medical problems.
Wut
I'd fucking neck you if I could

Wyatt Diaz
Wyatt Diaz

I'll give you National voter ID for Medicare for all.

Sound good?

Daniel Scott
Daniel Scott

also look at this \/

Connor Clark
Connor Clark

Because niggers, spics and fatties.

Chase Reed
Chase Reed

don't marginalize me by denying the reality of my experience please

dhsv.org.au/patient-information/waiting-lists
how do you explain this?

Blake Peterson
Blake Peterson

Canadas seniors now outnumber teens under 14.
Don't worry, we're gonna bring in low quality doctors from Pakistan and Cameroon to staff your shit for cheaper and their 50,000 unskilled relatives to add more burdens to the system. This will totally work out somehow. Have less kids white people, muh global warmings!

Jacob Flores
Jacob Flores

Too many fat people

Jeremiah Myers
Jeremiah Myers

Or how about we let people suffer the consequences of their bad actions instead of restricting the behaviors of the responsible and making them subsidize the bad behavior of bad actors?

Gabriel Miller
Gabriel Miller

Non-whites feel no shame
Which is why the abuse the fuck out of the commons rendering them unsustainable burdens for the whites. Whites feel shame, which is why in homogeneously white polities you could have a universal healthcare system and other socialized goodies and only a minimum amount of abuse.

Liam Hughes
Liam Hughes

Because they would rather shit on poor people who did nothing wrong than support the leeches they created with their fucked up politics in other issues
It may be some collective nationwide psychological empathy disorder
"yes there may be families going bankrupt or innocents dying BUUT AY DUNT WANNA PAY FOR FAT NIGGURS"

Samuel Wilson
Samuel Wilson

Why are you so paranoid about a crime that doesn't happen?
I did slowpoke
Explain
Victoria - a tate of Australia
Department of Human Services
supplemental health services
NOT MEDICARE

Jordan Lewis
Jordan Lewis

I never mentioned medicare

I did mention nationalized health care and it was a 2 year wait and thus useless

of course if I was a refugee maybe it would have only been 6 months

Aaron Ross
Aaron Ross

Is it really heir bad actions when they have limited education, are bombarded with advertising, the content of the soda is withheld from them because food labelling is socialism, when they have low income jobs full of stress over their debts and family members that leave their carb craving?

Robert Reed
Robert Reed

Medicare a national healthcare service is what is being discussed
Nothing is being nationalised you dopey cunt there are still private insurance

Dylan Torres
Dylan Torres

Look here Swiss Miss, you're talking about us like you know us. I'd gladly have a single payer healthcare system, public schools and universities, public transportation, but you're gonna have to give us a white ethnostate in return so these things are of good quality and are sustainable in the long-term.

Levi Johnson
Levi Johnson

Because the constitution never listed it as a right.

Dylan Sanders
Dylan Sanders

That's exactly what I was saying, user. Of course it's not perfect, I ended up in an English ER on a Saturday night and you had tons of chavs that were in there because they got into fights at the bar, but its a far cry from Shanequa or Tyrone that have decided that their cold is an emergency.

Nathan Perry
Nathan Perry

bad actions when they have limited education
Yes. Education is an overrated meme, everybody fucking knows without being educated that sugar water and processed foodstuffs is bad for you and contributes to obesity when coupled with a sedentary lifestyle. The obese generally are obese because they choose to be, being obese is a disability that gets them gibs and victim status sympathies from bleeding hearts.

Brayden Cruz
Brayden Cruz

so what you're saying is that even in australia's superior system you'll still get no dental care until it's an absolute emergency UNLESS you pay privately

Henry Wright
Henry Wright

Is this the new "rural and suburban retards"?

Aaron Butler
Aaron Butler

implying America is developed

Cameron Edwards
Cameron Edwards

A white ethnostate like switzerland with its 30% immigrants?
Stop pretending you're the only nation in the west that has leeches and foreigners

Caleb Phillips
Caleb Phillips

Why

Gabriel Reed
Gabriel Reed

So?

Ryan Powell
Ryan Powell

everybody fucking knows without being educated that sugar water and processed foodstuffs is bad for you and contributes to obesity when coupled with a sedentary lifestyle
How do you know that without education?

Blake Torres
Blake Torres

In the market, consumers are sovereign and incentives matter. In our current system, the consumer has virtually no say: the employer purchases the insurance plan (really a prepayment plan), the employee pays for the plan and the doctors receives payment from the insurer. This incentivizes the provider to maximize costs by ordering unnecessary care and the insurer to minimize costs by denying coverage. The consumer plays no role but being the guy on the sidelines getting screwed.

Zachary Hill
Zachary Hill

When I first mentioned Australian Medicare I said it does not cover dentistry
So you tell me

Xavier Cooper
Xavier Cooper

private healthcare becomes pretty shit if you also have public because both have to follow the same regulations, but one isn't profit driven

Bentley Cook
Bentley Cook

Regulations for health and safety and research based procedures and medication?
I hate those things
Bring back the humours and blood letting I say

Christian Martin
Christian Martin

Are you seriously trying to say Switzerland's and the US's racial demographics and fiscal realities are in any way comparable?
It's like you Euros don't realize that we're in completely different, incomparable contexts than any of your countries. Your systems would not work in the US, instituting a single payer system here would do nothing to mitigate ever-increasing demand, shortages of doctors and nurses, the burdens imposed by the obesity epidemic and the unhealthy lifestyles of nonwhites, the powerful role of big pharma and the over-medicating of our population for profit that occurs. The core problems afflicting our system and causing ever-increasing costs wouldn't even be addressed erecting single payer, because they're not rooted in the healthcare system but in demographics and immigration policy.

Grayson Jones
Grayson Jones

Niggers

Robert Diaz
Robert Diaz

What does it have to do with providing healthcare
A national healthcare system doesn't simply hand over bags of money to people who claim they will spend it at doctors

Asher Jones
Asher Jones

Daily reminder that the only reason all of you can have national healthcare is b/c the U.S. acts as your national defense. All of you.

Piss off pacifist plebs.

Austin Miller
Austin Miller

Any problem that might arise due to these things you mentioned could be fixed if you didn't have cheeto as your president and a congress dominated by left democrats (aka what the rest of the world considers centristic)

Michael Jones
Michael Jones

the powerful role of big pharma and the over-medicating of our population for profit that occurs
Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme
the burdens imposed by the obesity epidemic and the unhealthy lifestyles of nonwhites,
A public health system could better address this because it can be mandated to by the public and in order to reduce its costs it has to make people helalthier
And we could look at why they are unhealthy, like the poor quality food the poor have and the stress of poverty and low paying jobs that cause such eating habits
Or you could stop being a racist generalising dick
shortage of doctors
College debt
increasing demand
Because people are sick. Why?
they're rooted in demographics and immigration
They're not

Joseph Myers
Joseph Myers

Defence from what?
How does the USA do this?
Does it give other countries money to spend?
What is it you believe we need to spend on that we are not and America is having to instead?
How have we been able to compel the USA into doing this for us?

Tyler Stewart
Tyler Stewart

the EU can't defend itself
Kek

Michael Collins
Michael Collins

From what though?
And is it true you have mountain bunkers for the whole population?

Jack James
Jack James

any problems would be fixed if only you put in the politicians of the shit party I like
Great non-argument there, kiddo! And you Euros dare to ridicule America's education system!

Jackson Miller
Jackson Miller

Dude
I'm a socialist, this isn't even the party I would favor
All I'm saying is that both of your parties are ridiculous and get nothing done. You have problems no one else has because your politics is stuck somewhere in 20th century while everyone else has moved on and shifted the political center to the left

William Morgan
William Morgan

And we could look at why they are unhealthy
Because they choose to be. They know the food is bad, they know it's making them fat and unhealthy, they know the smoking is bad, they know the popping xanaxs and drinking alcohol is bad: they don't fucking care it makes them feel good in the here and now. Also these people are generally poor because they make stupid short-sight decisions that gives them some transient pleasure in the here and now and fucks them over in the long term.

College debt
That's not what's causing a shortage of doctors, it's less and less profits, more and more bullshit, more and more patient-loads.
Because people are sick
Increasing demand is due to our retarded immigration policies and the influx of impoverished welfare scroungers flooding our system as well as dysgenic subsidies and incentives for bad behavior.
They're not
They are and the failing of our healthcare system coincides with the 65 Immigration Act the 86 Amnesty and the massive demographic shift those two events brought about.

Aaron Scott
Aaron Scott

Exactly, there isn't a threat for us. And we could defend ourselves, the EU has it in their contracts that should a country be attacked, everyone has to help

No, not for the whole population, I think. But I'm not sure. We do have a lot of military buildings inside the alps though

Gabriel Nguyen
Gabriel Nguyen

Everyone else whose systems are as unsustainable in the long-term as ours?

Parker Gray
Parker Gray

Lol how long are we talking here? This stuff is working for over half a century now. The only problem arising is the demographic shift, more elders. But I don't see why this problem couldn't be solved, there's enough money around and people could work for way longer than they are at the moment. It's a non-issue.

Kevin Nguyen
Kevin Nguyen

You dig you will trace all this back to expanding corporate monopolies. A corporate monopoly is like big govt. Equal inefficiency due to sprawling size and same psychopathic tendencies.

There is far more to the toxic food they sell than meets the eye. I'm not going to defend the couch bison, but once you go down that slippery slope you are going to have a hard time coming back. The mental effects exceed the physical.

Samuel Powell
Samuel Powell

Difference beliefs in the role of government.

America emphasizes negative rights, which are given by the inaction of the state. The primary example of this is free speech: it is given by just stepping back and letting people say whatever they want.

Socialized medicine is a positive right, meaning that the state must take action to accommodate and provide for it. Which means that the government runs the hospitals and has the staff on its payroll via taxes, which results in such a painful and inefficient system that people will just buy private insurance anyways; or forces private institutions to provide at gunpoint, which is morally abhorrent.

Cameron Nelson
Cameron Nelson

Your economics is very modern and up to date. Which means it is complete nonsense. The money is not backed by anything. The US dollar is backed by Farcebook and cat videos and Teslas sub-economic batteries with wheels,

The actual physical things that an economy is made up on are in steady decline. Demographics and debt are add-ons to this issue.

The fatties are going to die.

Andrew Barnes
Andrew Barnes

Americans will defend this

And here I was thinking that the private sector was meant to lower costs!

It'll take a very, very long time for Americans to realise that private health insurance isn't profitable If you try cover the whole country and that If you want an actual decent Healthcare system that covers people the Government HAS to provide it, because the private sector just can't feasibly do that without charging absolutely exorbitant prices.

Christopher Jenkins
Christopher Jenkins

Look at your wealth-distribution. 'nuff said dude.

Uhm you know the service sector is still growing right?

Nathaniel James
Nathaniel James

They also have far lower obesity rates.

Kayden Thompson
Kayden Thompson

Somehow everyone was tricked into thinking private health insurance is the only alternative to public health cover. An insurance company's mandate is to provide the minimum care possible.

The third option is not for profit private care. We have it in NZ, it is excellent and inexpensive. Our doctors work in both our not for profit hospitals and public at the same time.

Isaiah Gutierrez
Isaiah Gutierrez

other developed country
Because we have to prop up every other country in the world with financial and military aid, including the countries with universal national healthcare.
We'd be able to afford it if we cut off all you leeches and just let you starve and fall into chaos.

So, there is no "other developed country."
There's only the United States and a globe full of ungrateful freeloaders that would perish without us.

Benjamin Hughes
Benjamin Hughes

because it's better for the country if more people die

Matthew Jenkins
Matthew Jenkins

Americans hate niggers. They think it's better if it's shit for everybody than if it's good also for niggers.

Brandon Taylor
Brandon Taylor

The funny thing is that niggers already get free everything, but Americans don't know it.

Wyatt Bennett
Wyatt Bennett

My point exactly. Wealth distributions and service sector growth now, at levels of central bank insanity the world has never seen mean nothing.
When this global debt bubble pops, we will see where things lie.

Who was it that warped reality so far no one knows the price of anything again?
zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-06/mystery-central-bank-buyer-revealed-goes-q1-buying-spree

Jason Rivera
Jason Rivera

not for profit private care
Who would run it and why? I'm assuming that it's mostly a religious thing.

Lucas Smith
Lucas Smith

Why people learn about basic economics in all these (((developed))) countries?

Oh right, that's because your education is socialized too.

tfw you will never get Rand Paul Care
tfw healthcare is the single most important issue because it is going to bankrupt and ruin our nation

Lincoln Peterson
Lincoln Peterson

Y-you're being sarcastic, right?

Juan Turner
Juan Turner

the medical system in the U.S. right now makes way too much money, doctors, nurses, pharmacists, drug makers, medical equipment fabricators...dude the insurance companies....100's of billions of dollars, jesus dude they have cures for cancer but its a fucking cash cow the simple answer OP is...MONEY

Dominic Mitchell
Dominic Mitchell

Couldn't have said it better

Oliver Baker
Oliver Baker

The United States spends $9,403 USD PPP per capita on Healthcare annually.
Australia spends $4,357 USD PPP per capita on Healthcare annually.

48.3% of Healthcare expenses in the US are public spending
67% of Healthcare expenses in Australia are public

American Government(s) spend $4542 tax payer dollars per capita providing horribly inefficient and expenses Healthcare programs that are meant to fill in the gaps that the private sector can't handle
Australian Government(s) spend $2920 tax payer dollars per capita providing a proper Universal Healthcare system and subsiding medicine prices

Don't try and blame the rest of the world for your problems. America could easily have Universal Healthcare at a cheaper price than what you currently pay. The first step to fixing something is acknowledging that you have a problem.

Jackson Perry
Jackson Perry

Correct me if im fucking wrong, but at least used to be like this in america. You buy insurance, you then need a doctor. The next day you go to your doctor.

In sweden you wanna see a doctor you gotta wait 6 months and then you get an incompetent doctor or an immigrant.

Adam Anderson
Adam Anderson

We already do pay for the fatties. We would save 400 billion per year if we stopped paying for type 2 diabetes - which we should since it is entirely preventable/reversible with simple lifestyle changes.

Isaac Roberts
Isaac Roberts

Because half the population doesn't pay taxes.

Chase Wilson
Chase Wilson

Because Clinton or someone signed into law insurance companies being allowed to make more in profit ... so... they were given an inch and took the country

James Lopez
James Lopez

Might have to do with too few doctors

Ian Martinez
Ian Martinez

Our system is already highly socialized which is one of the major problems in combination with cronyism.

Socialism is communism lite.
Wrong, communists refer to themselves as socialists. This is literally just socialist propaganda along the lines of: "White people can't be racist! racism = privilege + power." Trying to change the meaning of language to control the perception.

Daniel Morris
Daniel Morris

And why are there too few doctors? Socialism, that's why.

Cameron Jackson
Cameron Jackson

Don't try and blame the rest of the world for your problems. America could easily have Universal Healthcare at a cheaper price than what you currently pay.

You're right. However, a freemarket solution would be far better.

Anthony Russell
Anthony Russell

I hate to say it, but libertarians. That is why NZ is still the most libertarian country in the world. It runs its self, some people sit on the board. It's a respected position.

Probably the scariest thing is the idea of civic, responsibility, respect or honour is lost to the US. You can't even comprehend it any more.

southerncross.co.nz/society/for-employers/why-choose-us

Hudson Young
Hudson Young

too many subhumans who will leech rather than contribute, sad but true

Colton Gutierrez
Colton Gutierrez

Because our previous leader was an abhorrent dipshit, that got everyone in on the entitlement train.

Also, you make yourself look like a complete unadulterated dumbass when you use the "Everyone else is doing it!" fallacy.

Fuck off.

Andrew Johnson
Andrew Johnson

Yeah nothing to do with too little funding for universities so they have limited studentcapacities

Asher Mitchell
Asher Mitchell

forcing people to pay for something they dont want or need is saving money
wew lad

Jeremiah Garcia
Jeremiah Garcia

It's not a fallacy in this case. Your country may be retarded but that doesn't make it special

Jackson Jenkins
Jackson Jenkins

I had private workcover in Australia. Private doctor spent ages doing very little. One saturday I went to A&E because my leg was the huge and covered in spots. Doc at the hospital tooks swabs, said "looks infected". Sends results to private insurance doc "Nope, not infected" says bought and paid for private doctor. Signs me off healed and I fly back to NZ.

Two weeks later I'm in NZ hospital with osteomalitis looking at amputation. My NZ doc gets the swab results from Aussie public hospital and they are positive. Private doctor lied.

NZ hospital patches me up for free. Walk out 8 days later. Public vs private "care".

Tyler Nelson
Tyler Nelson

Get out faggot

Dylan Cook
Dylan Cook

Yeah nothing to do with too little funding for universities so they have limited studentcapacities

So, yes Your problem is socialism. Thank you for giving me more evidence for my point.

Anthony James
Anthony James

n=1
free
FREE

It's a shame that people with your level of reasoning skills are allowed to breed.

Dylan Moore
Dylan Moore

Burger logic only applies to Burgers.
In any other language, free is an acceptable word if you did not pay any money for an operation. This is distinct from the retarded notion healthcare can be free.

But I see how you could not work that out for yourself with your education system.

Brody King
Brody King

/thread

Lucas Russell
Lucas Russell

/threading your own post
your a faggot but at least your a smarty pants faggot
/thread

Kevin Parker
Kevin Parker

stats taken out of context since most americans who need surgery simply never even see a waiting list

Joshua Anderson
Joshua Anderson

Same

Ayden Clark
Ayden Clark

Because we're tired of helping the lefty welfare lazy ass motherfuckers.

Luis Sanchez
Luis Sanchez

anyone who /thread's them self needs to step into oncoming traffic

Connor Price
Connor Price

Couple friends of the pod hanging out this morning.

twitter.com/Minnysconsin/status/860896913717166080/photo/1

Alexander Martin
Alexander Martin

fuck off you faggot ass leaf. I cant wait till a mudnigger rapes your wife and daughter and you cant complain about them because it is censored by your cucked government.

Dominic Ortiz
Dominic Ortiz

Because 1/2 of the people in this country do not pay federal taxes.

Evan Taylor
Evan Taylor

they go to Mexico to use our free healthcare.

youtube.com/watch?v=4R3saQEFUNY

Alexander Smith
Alexander Smith

/thread

Christian Myers
Christian Myers

This post highlights just how fucking stupid you are. Stop posting dumbass

Camden Watson
Camden Watson

docs make less than 2% of healthcare costs idiot. its equipment drugs hospitals and insurance that make up the costs.

Angel Roberts
Angel Roberts

we subsidize drug development and cost you twit. why do you think you and the euro twats get them so much cheaper ? you really cant be this fucking dumb?? or is it the kangaroos teaching you this shit

Xavier Johnson
Xavier Johnson

This used to be sitewide law here.
But you know.
Newfags.

Kayden Baker
Kayden Baker

There is literally no reason a country as rich and advanced as the US, shouldn't have socialised healthcare. Hearing their shitty excuses is embarrassing. Having social healthcare doesn't make you a communist state retards

Adam Fisher
Adam Fisher

It's funny that other nations want us to have a socialized healthcare when it benefits them more that we don't. Look at the amount of medical patents America has compared to the rest of the world and tell me that number is not going to shrink if healthcare becomes (((universal))).

Samuel Richardson
Samuel Richardson

Because they pay to protect the entire western world, that's why their defense spending is so insanely massive.

If the US refused to protect the world tomorrow every western country would most likely be unable to continue to offer health care as they do now.

Asher Sanchez
Asher Sanchez

Because it's the least developed country in the developed world.

Oliver Lopez
Oliver Lopez

burger logic is so flawed

Trump wants to up the military budget even more yet doesnt want to be the worlds police

So what the fuck is he using it for?

How are you idiots fine with your government prioritizing showing the length of their dick to other leaders rather than caring for their own people?

Adrian Green
Adrian Green

Our 11.9 inch dick is meant to grab other countries by the pussy. As the other user said when you have to be world police it can be an expensive task even if you don't want to start shit.
Why doesn't the government care for its own people.
Would you be surprised at the existence of Medicaid? Our government does provide support, it's just that there is a limit on that support. If we have Universal Healthcare a whole bunch of different limits to support will arise.

David Walker
David Walker

Socialism is fine with primary homogeneous nation like Australia but USA is a mongrel brasil in the making so i understand why they don't wanna implement socialism.

Leo Bennett
Leo Bennett

an Aussie lecturing us on our economical woes and structure

I'm glad I'm fucking one of your shielas while she dates some dog mate back in Queensland.

Grayson White
Grayson White

Because they're too fat

Grayson Morgan
Grayson Morgan

they have to give all that money to their greatest ally

Jose Cruz
Jose Cruz

Why can't America have national healthcare like other developed country?

We are infested with degenerates and subhumans, and neither carry their own weight.

Ayden Jones
Ayden Jones

idiots vote against their own interest because they've been told to vote that way

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