Why can't America have national healthcare like other developed country?

Why can't America have national healthcare like other developed country?

Conservidumbs vote against their economic interests.

Wtf I hate America now

Because
>american education

too many suburban and rural retards

Our founding principles are antithetical to socialism.

This has been asked multiple times before. Go away libral scum.

"ugh, stupid disgusting poors, why don't they vote for my party, don't they know how much we care about them"

nationalizing industries is for countries that aren't superpowers

More retarded leafs. Public health care is a bullshit scam. Canadas seniors now outnumber teens under 14. Our health care is already shit, its going to crumble more and more.

And it isnt free. With the amount of taxes I pay, I could have absolutely God tier health insurance. 40% of our budget is health care spending.

The insurance industry has the Government by the balls and nobody seems to give a shit.

We believe in personal financial responsibility...at least we used to believe in that.

How is it socialism
And why does this make it bad?

USA would get more 6 trillions in debt each year just to treat their fatties

How is industry nationalised?
There is still private healthcare if you so chose it

niggers

REALLY.
If you have to ask those questions, you should tie a brick around your dick and throw it off a rooftop.

>Canadas seniors now outnumber teens under 14.
Those seniors won't be around for ever
You can manage them in their last 20 years just as you managed them in their first 20 years

Healthcare makes up like 22% of our economy. The costs would be completely out of control. The taxation associated with it would almost certainly put us on the wrong side of the laffer curve. We also don't have enough doctors. It would be signing our own death warrant.

Holy fuck you must be joking. People still have to pay taxes for that shit even if they have insurance.
Socialized healthcare literally means I have to pay for fat fucks that cant put down the soda. And for transexuals operations. And for abortions. And for health care for literal crackheads.

Me too, that's why aside from my government mandated superannuation pension I also have term deposits and government bonds :3
But the costs of major medical procedures and treatments are outside the realm of the average person, in America people are driven deep into debt or declare bankruptcy because of the cost

pretending to be retarded I take it? its too big and too racially mixed

>what is a fucking aging populace

Thats not how it works. My God you honestly haven t bothered even doing a basic amount of study into this have you. Are you actually 18?

What's your source on this cost?
And you know they spend a trillion on the military, right?

How is it bad to alter the founding principles of a nation to its antithesis?

How is personal wealth being redistributed by the government socialism?

Your questions answered themselves.

I'd like to know how national healthcare is socialism
And why that makes it automatically wrong

Would you want to pay for Shaneeqa needing her third heart surgery?

The current costs are out of control because it must operate through a private system that adds in all kinds of extra costs
A national healthcare system would cut all of that
Saving money
Just look abroad, other countries spend far less per person on health

im just kidding

>how is spreading medical costs among the rest of the population "socialism"?
Really m8?

Because in the US, health care is a consumer industry (i.e., a business run for profit) that stretches into every other industry, and turning it into a socialized system would require tearing the entire thing down and building a new system from scratch

>Socialized healthcare literally means I have to pay for fat fucks that cant put down the soda
Then perhaps something should be done about that soda

Niggers.

because socialism sucks

Wow ok I will spoonfeed you,
Socialism is communism lite.
It involves taking money from some people that have more to pay for services etc for those that have less.
National healthcare means that the healthy, pay for those that are not healthy.
It also requires the government control of more of your money, and it requires far higher taxes, and it allows the government to extend its control over the populace ostensibly because they are now responsible for their health.

>its too big
What does that have to do it?
>too racially mixed up
How does that impede a national healthcare system

like what?

When the boomers were born there were more of them than everyone else
Yet society coped
Can any of that be applied to their aging?

Holy fuck. How about we just let people have PERSONAL FREEDOM instead of trying to regulate their personal behaviour and make other people pay when they fuck up.
Youre literally a cuck liberal that would like to ban pop or ration it or something.
Get out.

Because fuck you that's why, eat go suck a Wallabys dick you fucking kangaroo jockey. After you're done with that go drink some shitty fucking Australian beer and hit on some inbred busted ass girls in the outback m8

>>too racially mixed up
How does that impede a national healthcare system

Having a system where everyone contributes only works when everyone works off a common value system. I.e. everyone who commits fraud or other undesirable actions should feel shame, at the very least.

Non-whites feel no shame whatsoever. And it is shame that is causing the fall of the west. "OMG you would be the WORST person to not accept these poor war-torn rapefugees...:( :( :("

It was a founding principal to not have healthcare?
It was a founding principal to not have taxes?

Same reason Americans are anti socialised anything, even when it might benefit them. Would you support a shared socialised healthcare system with Zimbabwe?

Why can't we have voter ID like other developed countries? The United States is special.

1 We believe in liberty.
2 Our government can't run anything without ruining it.
3 We're 20 trillion in debt.

Yeah because that same system that helps her also helps me when I need it
And who knows maybe the system can also address why she needs it

No. Because the system was designed with a certain level of life expectancy.
As it raises more and more, the ponzi scheme starts to collapse.
In canada we are running our health care with borrowed money.

Well why is this bad?
No it wouldn't
Other nations with national healthcare systems run them parallel to private health insurers

Shaneeqa is already draining tens of thousands of dollars more from government coffers than she puts in user, she's not going to help you pay for your hip replacement

>National healthcare means that the healthy, pay for those that are not healthy.
And when the healthy become unhealthy they also receive it
And isn't this also how private insurance works? You pay fire insurance for years and never receive it and a business that gets hit by an arsonist gets paid out
>It also requires the government control of more of your money
How
>it requires far higher taxes
Would it? America spends far more than other countries at the moment because it has to operate through private systems
A national healthcare system would cut through all that
You would save money

Well you complained about them drinking and that this why you can't have healthcare

Are you frustrated?

This is bait

That's not how national healthcare works, its not shared with other countries
We don't have voter ID

How is it bait? You can shame Jill down the street for having her tits done on the healthcare system, for "emotional needs". However, Oranjello has no such shame and will do such things all day long.

>We don't have voter ID

Interesting, but most first-world nations do.

How is national healthcare an impediment to liberty?
>government can't run anything without ruining it
Other countries can, why is America uniquely incompetent? It seems to be just the republicans who believe government is incompetent are determined to prove it everytime they are in office.
>debt
Half the debt comes from the military budget, the rest from your current healthcare system having to operate through privatised means

How does it have a finite life?

>How is national healthcare an impediment to liberty?

Because the government is involved in your health. It doesn't really get any more personal than that.

>How
By higher taxes ffs.
Again, I reiterate - and not an opinion, but a fact.
40% of our budget is health care. That is an insane amount.
It is different than private insurance. You have CHOICE. You dont get choice with socialized health care.
I actually have medical insurance through work, that precludes me from having OHIP. However, I still pay the absurd taxes.
Moreover, its just another extension of the welfare state, where I, who pays over ten thousand in taxes on my income a year, get the same health care treatment as the piece of shit fat pop drinking disgraces on welfare.
Seriously, go to Reddit,

the fat people, duh

If she was healthy she might
And its not as bad as the millions drained by the energy sector not paying any taxes :3

>Those seniors won't be around for ever
But more will show up

this

No they dont
It is a uniquely American fixation on a crime that doesn't happen

Yes, Dingo, it would. Even assuming Congress could get their heads out of their asses for one second and agree to change the status quo (they never will), socializing health care would jack up taxes (another thing Congress will never agree to) and lead to thousands of lost jobs in the insurance sector. I'll forgive you for not knowing this since you don't live here, but every American politician since 2008 bar none has had job creation as a part of his election platform. This means they promise to CREATE jobs, not REMOVE them.

Obama tried to reform health care without overhauling the system, and it didn't work because he didn't address the issues inherent in the foundation of the system, he just tried to work around it, which resulted in a half-assed, deeply flawed system that solved nothing.

>When the boomers were born there were more of them than everyone else
>Boomer generation was between 1946-1964
>National healthcare as we know it was introduced in 1984

I literally just explained it to you. If the costs grow and grow because of an aging populace, welfare recipients not paying in, IE shit tons of non working immigrants, AND red tape plus bad governance, you start losing too much money. Then you start borrowing more and more.
It wont last another 100 years.

but then where would all the rich people go to get good healthcare?

You go to a doctor of your choice
Get treated
The government picks up part or all of the tab

What's the issue here?

The government is involved in your health inspecting food and meat plants and testing drugs to ensure they are safe and we never have a repeat of the thalidomide babies
Should this be stopped? Should you exercise your personal responsibilities and test your meat yourself for feces or salmonella?

>higher taxes
Would they be higher?
America currently spends more per capita on healthcare than nations with national healthcare
The private system America must work through costs more than national healthcare systems
A national healthcare system would save America money

Less than boomers
And we help them the same way

>
The government is involved in your health inspecting food and meat plants and testing drugs to ensure they are safe and we never have a repeat of the thalidomide babies

Strawman. When things get that retarded, change happens. That's why we no longer have thalidomide babies. Fuck off with that shit.

I'm of English origin and I watched my father die in an English hospital last year, of sepsis, because they didn't want to give him antibiotics, because there was a rash of retards, (chavs, really) who would use said antibiotics until they felt better and then no longer, not completing the course, and thus allowing bacteria to become resistant.

Under the American system, he would have been given the antibiotics, as its just common fucking sense, and he would be alive today.

Because America is a soon to be third world country of 350 million people

>That's not how national healthcare works, its not shared with other countries
The US is a bunch of heterogeneous states and is highly diverse within many of those states.
If they had ever been highly monocultural like US or the Nordics, they would have had socialised healthcare long ago. The "fuck you nigger, I got mine" attitude is a direct consequence of massive diversification forced by Jews.

>Yes, Dingo, it would
No it wouldn't. Other nations with national healthcare systems also have private health insurance
Why would America be different?
>jack up taxes
America currently spends on private health more per capita than nations with national healthcare
Money would be saved
If taxes did happen to go up, so what? You're paying for healthcare for yourself and others, why is that bad?
And money some of the money for it could come from the pentagon, saving the need to raise taxes
>thousands of job losses in the insurance industry
Wasn't this one of the arguments against the ACA? But its actually led to job growth?
It would also mean that employers would no longer be obliged to provide healthcare for their staff, saving them money to expand or hire more or pay better
>Obama tried to reform health care without overhauling the system
Because the insurance industry won't allow it
>and it didn't work because he didn't address the issues inherent in the foundation of the system
Its inherent profit based motive
>which resulted in a half-assed, deeply flawed system that solved nothing
You need to stop listening to Fox

Because as much as a big portion of Americans want big daddy government to take care of them, even more hate getting the fucking monkey shit taxed out of them. Plain and simple.

Not to mention, half of our problem with healthcare isn't whether or not the insurance companies or the government runs it... It's our pharmaceutical industry charging obscene prices against people's lives. Either we have shitty private health care, or we have shitty government health care that runs our financial situation even further into the dirt.

Private insurance companies main objective is to make a higher profit. They're a middle man that siphons money for no reason since they really try to screw you over every which may possible by not covering anything. You have a choice but its a real shitty one. Plus the paperwork is just a fucking mess from what I remember. Getting a simple MRI took years for them to pay back. And they became a new company since then so I still had to pay half the fucking cost. Why even bother.

Private healthcare still exists in nations with national healthcare

America is the only developed country

stop pretending that your healthcare, a scheme of socialist german bismark, btw, makes you special.

Free markets are best markets

It could, but demographic shifts & corporate interests make it not really feasible.

They're involved in the regulations on food testing. Private corporations do the testing.

>I worked for one of those private corporations

>Be American
>Get sick
>Go to doctor
>Purchase medicine

>Be Canadian
>Get sick
>Go to Doctor
>Wait 5 months
>Die

I realize it must be hard for you to lose the one achievement your country had to the leaves, but you're not going to get it back with weak ass posting like this.

>Strawman
Its not a strawman. Its an involvement in your health. If you object to one form of involvement shouldn't you be objecting to other forms?
>That's why we no longer have thalidomide babies.
Nope, it was blocked before there were any babies being born. It was blocked because the FDA requested more data and testing. While tis was going on the babies started showing up in Europe and Canada where the drug had been approved with little testing
You should check your history
>when things get retarded, change happens
Look at tobacco
They spent decades denying there was a link to cancer, obscuring the science, delaying action
Without proper regulatory body testing the pharma companies could deny there is a link between their drug and side effects
>people abusing antibiotics means we can't have national healthcare
Really? What were you saying about strawman?
>Under the American system, he would have been given the antibiotics
And a gigantic bill
Why not meet in the middle?

This is bait

yes they would be way higher, not even debatable.
Heres a tip, why dont you just youtube Ted Cruz destroying Bernie Sanders on this very subject. Youll get the point. Maybe.

that's literally not an argument

Because someone has to be the last bastion of Economic freedom

Our country has 14 times as many people as your country Ausfaggots. We literally have twice as many niggers in our country as you have total people. You think that's a sustainable national healthcare system? Niggers don't tend to work, they're like your didgeridoo sucking welfare leeches in your country only they're about 5 times as violent

Again. So fucking what? I have private insurance from work.
>i still pay the insane taxes
Get it?

Sums it up.
Wife broke her arm.
Over 8 hours in the hospital.

Are military is more important than most of these low life beggars. We actually have the resources to have a system like that and keep military spending (about 6Bil.) so peoples arguments about "muuuh military spending is too much" is pathetic in more ways then one. Socialized healthcare literally means I have to pay for fat fucks that can't put down the soda, for transexuals operations, abortions, alcoholics, drugy scum, ect. Those people made there mistakes and should feel the punishment for it. And no we do not have a free market health system right now so don't bother going on that rant ether.

>big daddy government take care of them
Yes of course, its their irresponsibility they have cancer or were born with a hole in their heart or were hit by a drunk driver or a billion other things happened that aren't their own personal moral failings that the right hold up as strawman against healthcare
>taxes
You spend more per capita on healthcare because you have to operate through private means than countries with national healthcare
You would save money
>It's our pharmaceutical industry charging obscene prices against people's lives
Here in Australia we have something called the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. It uses government purchasing power to negotiate prices for vitally needed medication, leaving us with just a modest co-payment.
Apparently this is literally illegal in the USA.
>runs our financial situation further into the dirt
Half the debt comes from military spending, most of the rest comes from not having a healthcare system and having to operate through private means

>Are
>American education

If the Germans thought it up, the master race, then doesn't that make it good?

They do it for the government

>be Australian
>go to doctor
>get ankle x-ray
>not pay a cent

>be American
>go to doctor
>get $5,000 bill
>he hasn't even seen me yet

>YouTube an insurance shill lying
No
It doesn't need one

Maybe for you aussies
>Be canadian
>Could be shot throught the heart
>8 hr wait time