Now I know that most of you are going to immediately stop reading and fire up the “SHILL DETECTED” and “B8” memes. Go ahead, fuck you. I’d rather you be a gentleman and actually read the rest of my argument, but the choice is yours.
When I say Hitler failed, I am saying that the means he used were his ultimate undoing. The preemptive attacks against the rest of Europe as a means of culling any future retribution only served to end the lives of millions of European men and solidify his political and social views as the personification of evil in the minds of the world (maybe not yours, but that’s not the point, bear with me). He is remembered for industrialized murder, for the evils of nationalistic pride, for genocide. The amount of damage he has done collectively to the West, and the rest of world, cannot be understated. His failed bullshit gave the Marxists a treasure trove of wealth and every opportunity to preach and propagate their poison, fingers pointed to “THE HOLOCAUST” between each gulping breath during their proselytizing.
Still convinced that fascism works? Mussolini was murdered by communists while fleeing for his life, his corpse treated like trash. What about conventional imperialism? Ask Japan about how it felt to get two large, city-wiping bombs rammed up its ass.
Still with me? About to say that the crushing of these states by the Allies was because of X (Jews, capitalism, power, etc.)? That’s exactly the fucking point.
The Romans got away with waging massive campaigns and conquering the world because the world was a different place during their time. The rest of the world was busy playing with sticks and digging around in mud and shit; nobody was watching, and those that were lacked the ability to do anything about it. Rome lasted a long, long time before internal faggotry and governance hindered by inadequate communication technology ended them. We don’t live in Roman times, and we don’t live in times where violence is an effective tool for lasting change. Violence is, at its best, a means for immediate gain, and those gains are followed by such a strong backlash that unravels those gains. In our time, the rules have changed.
Now, I’m not going to go into some psychological babble about how humans are naturally averse to death, or some long-winded diatribe about when violence is acceptable or not.
I’m simply observing that violence as a tool of change is faggot-tier thinking and ideologies that obsess over it are doomed to fail, over and over and over and over (like communism).
Some well-meaning autist in a previous thread was righteously railing against the left, and I was nodding in approval until he held up Breivik as a hero. I was flabbergasted, this well-spoken user talking about how the left revels in death and violence and then goes full-retard with hero-worship of a man who murdered children. Agents like Breivik give the left a bigger brush and oceans of paint to continue their ideological war. It’s playing right into their hands.
Unconvinced?
What would have happened if, in the midst the USA’s 2016 election cycle, some retard wearing a MAGA hat walked into a mosque and murdered some shitskins? We would cross our fingers and scream “False-flag!” while crossing our fingers. The rest of the country? How do you think they would respond? How many people resolved not to vote would be galvanized by the mass media monster?
Jack Powell
Furthermore, consider how gleeful we are when mass shooters and perpetrators of violence in my country and elsewhere are non-white, mudslimes, or both? What tools do we use when trying to convince people that refugees are dangerous? We talk about Cultural Marxism here often. What are the tools used to bring about such enslavement? Are the Marxists murdering our children’s bodies? Or are they murdering our minds?
Back to this Breivik-worshipping faggot, it is people like this that hurt our fight against the left, against slavery. This brand of “intellectualism” is exactly the type that is used to discredit us in the minds of others. And if you think “the others,” “the normies” don’t matter, you are so fucking deluded that you should either take matters into your own hands and unfuck your brain, or check out and an hero.
I declared in an earlier post that the means ultimately justify the end, not vice versa. I offer some examples. Slavery in the USA was a boon for a few, for a while. What was its consequence? Manifest Destiny was a boon to many, and its consequences persist, but what is said about it now in US schools? Hitler’s dream of a Third Reich was brief moment of triumph that created a global form of nasty indoctrination that not only persists to this day, but continues to solidify and cement itself in the minds of the world. How about a single-word example: Israel. These are examples of immediate, expedient gains completely undone because of the means in which they were achieved.
I apologize for this messy, rant-y diatribe; I am much better at discourse in other formats, and rarely write longwinded shit like this.
Do not ever forget:
This is not a war for your mind.
This is war for the mind of the general populace.
Sort yourself out and realize that the toolbox of power no longer contains the element of violence, and idolizing such colossal fags like Breivik and Hitler is anathema to our war against so-called Cultural Marxism.
Gabriel Miller
the cultures of Morrowind were definately not above violence as a means of change and influence.
Tyler Thomas
Which is why it was so easy for the Imperials to subjugate them politically and colonize the Western half of Vvardenfell with the help of the Hlaalu collaborators.
Luke Howard
are you talking about the norwegian guy in that one thread?
Agree with you on some points, mainly on a pragmatic basis. It's one of the tragic ironies that Lincoln would've sent the niggers back to Africa had he not been assassinated.
Ryan Taylor
Yeah, here's his writings, capped by some other user. I couldn't talk with him aside from one post because the reply limit was reached.
Joseph Morris
I mostly agree with you, but Breivik did slaughter like 100 future Marxist oligarchs while pushing his ideas out there. So IDK. He's certainly not a hero/role model.
One thing that makes whites superior is our greater kindness and empathy, that just happens to also be what's used against us. Doesn't mean they're bad traits, the "non-violence" of the Marching Looting Niggers movement is something we can emulate.
Angel Myers
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Elijah King
So killing 100 future Marxists is somehow okay when that act alone, sensationalized by the world media, probably birthed thousands or more? Proving my point.
You are absolutely right to observe that many facets of white identity are used against us. Now I ask, how are we so effectively coerced? (It's not violently.)
Matthew Myers
>probably birthed thousands or more? Did it? Doubt it. I think spree killers blend into the background for 99.9% of the population, be it islamic, fringe right, or fringe left. I don't respect murderers, but I do delineate between strategic targets vs. senseless violence (e.g. church shooters). My understanding is it was a fairly elite day camp of diversity or some shit.
Brandon Russell
For a minute, consider a somewhat-comparable event from a different era of our own history:
>In the decade following the bombing, there was >criticism of Oklahoma public schools for not >requiring the bombing to be covered in the >curriculum of mandatory Oklahoma history >classes. Oklahoma History is a one-semester >course required by state law for graduation >from high school; however, the bombing was >only covered for one to two pages at most in >textbooks. The state's PASS standards >(Priority Academic Student Skills) did not >require that a student learn about the bombing, >and focused more on other subjects such as >corruption and the Dust Bowl.[201] On April 6, >2010, "House Bill 2750" was signed by >Governor Brad Henry, requiring the bombing to >be entered into the school curriculum for >Oklahoma, U.S. and world history classes.
>On the signing, Governor Henry said “Although >the events of April 19, 1995 may be etched in >our minds and in the minds of Oklahomans >who remember that day, we have a generation >of Oklahomans that has little to no memory of >the events of that day,”... “We owe it to the >victims, the survivors and all of the people >touched by this tragic event to remember April >19, 1995 and understand what it meant and >still means to this state and this nation.”
This effectively killed any public or widespread support for anti-statists in the US for over a decade. Any sympathy from the general pop garnered from the Waco siege and Ruby Ridge incident was immediately undone.
You can't seriously tell me that articles like this
are nothing but yet another mind-hook for future generations.
Carson Morris
I would never read all that shit from the mind of a fucking faggot. I'd just beat you up. What are you gonna do? You're a pussy.
Brayden Evans
>I'd just beat you up. Nigger detected.
>What are you gonna do? Depends. Are you on my property?
>You're a pussy. Really helping your argument. Do you have self-esteem issues?
Grayson Bailey
I didn't stop reading at the Hitler cement, I stopped at the "be a gentleman" comment.
Gb2reddit, fedorafag.
Hunter Cruz
You demonstrate a very poor understanding of how the second world war came about and you don't seem to understand the difference between defeat and failure.
sage
Joshua Sanders
Tldr. only a fag would write up a blog post like this, and Hitler did nothing wrong.
Samuel Miller
I'm sorry, I sometimes forget faggots have no sense of manners.
So enlighten me, Kiwibro. Tell me exactly what is incorrect about my brief treatment of WWII. Tell me exactly how the semantic difference between "defeat" and "failure" is relevant when the word "fascism" is used the way it is in common parlance. Tell me exactly how any of your snippy BS matters when your chosen ideology has been and will continue to be utterly BTFO by mass media. Go suck off Peter Jackson.
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Zachary Carter
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Julian Price
>I’m simply observing that violence as a tool of change is faggot-tier thinking and ideologies that obsess over it are doomed to fail, over and over and over and over (like communism).
This is literal kindergarten-tier thinking. Do you realise the endgame of globalism is global communism, don't you? We're literally going to be living in city wide concentration camps, without any freedom or property rights. We're going to be microchipped and monitored like a George Orwell 1984 wet dream. Every aspect of our lives is going to be controlled from the time we wake up to the time we go to sleep. And then when (((they))) decide you've outlived your usefulness, they'll toss you aside like a wet rag
This is what Adolf Hitler foresaw and was trying to prevent. He knew exactly what the NWO stood for and how it would destroy the German people and culture. He also knew violence was the only way to stop the encroachment of communism.
The best argument in favour of fascism is to look at what 50 years of the other side has done for us (pic related)
>This is what Adolf Hitler foresaw and was trying to prevent. He knew exactly what the NWO stood for and how it would destroy the German people and culture. He also knew violence was the only way to stop the encroachment of communism.
I'm not even going to ask how you claim to know that. All I have to do is point to the fact that he FAILED. And his FAILURE afforded (((them))) decades of control.
>The best argument in favour of fascism is to look at what 50 years of the other side has done for us
Holy shit, that is not how arguments work. The "other side" is what, anything that isn't fascism? Implying that a system that lasted about a decade and was curbstomped by the rest of world isn't proof that your retarded ideology works. And you have the audacity to call me a kindergartner. Try harder.
The still image of that video alone makes me think you're even more autistic than I am.
Kayden Williams
Id love to have a debate with you. You're like me, You just come here looking for happening threads, i fucking hate these "muh red pilled" Subhumans. Its literally the embodiment of "i hate everything because i hate myself" These fucking retards beat off to traps and child porn and wanna tell you how degenerative you are for having a joint, beating off, enjoying a video game or anything that would give you any form of joy. They spread misery, because just like their carbon identical Social Justice Warriors they want to poison everything and suck the joy out of anything you could possibly enjoy. They are judgemental assholes who literally no one likes. They blame the jews for their own shortcomings.
Isaiah Barnes
Oh and fuck yeah Morrowind, Started the series there. Fucking incredible game.
Kayden Rivera
Just answer this one simple question: what the hell does Hitler have to do with violence? His attacks were by no means pre-emptive and the holocaust is just another point on the propaganda scale.
Zachary Miller
>Id love to have a debate with you. Well? What's stopping you?
>Oh and fuck yeah Morrowind, Started the series there. Fucking incredible game.
Agreed.
>what the hell does Hitler have to do with violence? >His attacks were by no means pre-emptive >His attacks Hmm...
>His attacks were by no means pre-emptive Gonna need a citation on that, leafbro.
>the holocaust is just another point on the propaganda scale Did you read anything I wrote besides the first greentext?
Levi Miller
I have society esteem issues. Namely a land of soft faggots who can't defend themselves or their ideas.
Violence is the predicate to all law. You are weak. I'd throw you under the bus in a second.
Brayden Anderson
>I'm not even going to ask how you claim to know that.
That's what they were pushing on Germany in the 1930s, with the centrally controlled banks in New York and London. They were trying to force Germany to succumb to jewish debt slavery like they did to China, which resulted in the deaths of millions as a result of the impoverished working conditions and wages.
Within two years, the unemployment problem had been solved, and Germany was back on its feet. It had a solid, stable currency, with no debt, and no inflation, at a time when millions of people in the United States and other Western countries (controlled by international bankers) were still out of work. Within five years, Germany went from the poorest nation in Europe to the richest.
>The "other side" is what, anything that isn't fascism? The other side is communism. Democracy is just a gradual descent into communism. We're already seeing this in the US and Europe. Democracy won't be around much longer. Over time, the left becomes more and more left leaning until our institutions have been hollowed out completely. For example, Justin Trudeau just banned any auditing of his colleagues tax returns. Make no mistake, this is how communist regimes get started.
Same thing with the radical left pushing for "Democratic Socialism" in the United States. The Republic is dead.
>The still image of that video alone makes me think you're even more autistic than I am.
What's autistic about it? Have you ever heard of Agenda 21? Have you heard about the UN's plans for population replacement? Either you fail to understand the far-reaching implications of globalism or you're in denial. Or both.
Colton Martinez
>waaaaaaaah just turn the other cheek and everything will work out waaaaaaaah sage. i'd tell you to kill yourself but I imagine that's bad because its "violent"
Luke Stewart
Read my post more carefully. Your entire 3-posts worth of rant were a discourse on violence, with you loosely trying to tie it back to Hitler - a feat at which you failed spectacularly.
As for his "pre-emptive" attacks, you'll see that the cold part of WWII had started months before Hitler sent his first army. So far as I'm concerned, his choice to bring it to military action swiftly was genial.
Dylan Turner
Is that an artist's depiction of Balmora?
Jose Gray
>The other side is communism. Democracy is just a gradual descent into communism. We're already seeing this in the US and Europe. Democracy won't be around much longer. Over time, the left becomes more and more left leaning until our institutions have been hollowed out completely. For example, Justin Trudeau just banned any auditing of his colleagues tax returns. Make no mistake, this is how communist regimes get started. >Same thing with the radical left pushing for "Democratic Socialism" in the United States. The Republic is dead I do not defend communism, nor socialism; in fact, I vehemently oppose those systems. Your failing here is that you somehow think that anyone opposed to NatSoc is a leftist, and not recognizing that Hitler's retarded, hamfisted attempts at stopping the system he supposedly fought against only made it stronger and forever blacklisted it as an ideology.
>Your entire 3-posts worth of rant were a discourse on violence, with you loosely trying to tie it back to Hitler - a feat at which you failed spectacularly. No, I used Hitler as an introduction to a more nuanced point about the methodology of opposing what is referred to as cultural Marxism.
>So far as I'm concerned, his choice to bring it to military action swiftly was genial. >So far as I'm concerned As far as you're concerned, nothing you think matters on the grand stage of the current culture wars. Good fucking luck selling that to normies.
Yes.
John Wilson
I think you're absolutely right. The reason Christianity spread so rapidly throughout the ancient world and persisted as long as it did is because Christians were persecuted for being good. We may have our confusions and quarrels about the specifics of morality, but deep within the human soul is a basic understanding of good and evil, and there is no more effective weapon against the powerful than in convincing the people they control that their leaders are scum.
This is how Gandhi helped win India, how blacks won civil rights in America, and how the Jews have convinced the entire Western world to stand behind them. The meek shall indeed inherit the Earth.
Violence can be a very powerful tool in the short term if used with extreme skill and caution, but in the long term the deciding factor for the victory and longevity of any people, creed, religion, group, or government is their ability to convince the important parties of the righteousness of their cause, and in the modern world violence is rarely considered justified by the people at large, at least in the West. Sun Tzu even noted the importance of this concept in The Art of War.
John Rivera
>So far as I'm concerned, his choice to bring it to military action swiftly was genial. This. What was Germany supposed to do? Wait patiently until Communism had destroyed Germany from within as it had done to every other European country? Or until the Western and Soviet powers had built up their armies and armaments? Hitler was simply seizing the best opportunity to make a break out. With the spread of Communism and the intransigence of Western powers, it was clear he had little choice in the matter.
Oliver Brooks
This is a fair point.
The important take-away from Hitler's preemptive strike against the Allied powers isn't that he shouldn't have attacked. If he hadn't attacked the communists and Hitler's neighbors would have developed the means to overwhelm Germany. If that happened, nobody would have cared because Hitler's enemies controlled the flow of information/opinion in Europe and America.
The take-away is that they who control the media control the narrative. If Hitler had been able to reach the hearts and minds of the rest of Europe and America, Germany would have had a much better chance at succeeding in their aims. Look at how America failed in Vietnam because public opinion in America shifted away from the war.
Look at how the violence against the Nazis is considered justified to this day.
Hudson Baker
>I do not defend communism, nor socialism; in fact, I vehemently oppose those systems. Your failing here is that you somehow think that anyone opposed to NatSoc is a leftist
Pay closer attention. I specifically said "democracy is a gradual descent into communism". If you look at the trajectory of human history, it becomes obvious that you can go forward (liberalism) but its almost impossible to go backward (conservatism) in a democratic system, because the population at large is incentivized to vote left by an ever-expanding welfare state. To all intents and purposes, the USA is already a socialist society: Getting on the property ladder is prohibitively expensive and 63% Of Americans Don't Have Enough Savings To Cover A $500 Emergency.
What Hitler realized was that the only way to stop that irreversible process was to recognise democracy for what it really is: mob rule. The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” The only way to reverse the descent into communism and hence preserve German traditions and culture, was to remove the cancer. What you call "hamfisted", I call strength. Hitler was playing for all or nothing because he knew what was at stake. You're using the benefit of hindsight to call him hamfisted simply because he didn't succeed in his final objective. He may have failed, but you can't deny he was a good leader. Almost too good in retrospect, as he will always be remembered for his iron fisted rhetoric - which has done more harm to the west than anything else in hindsight.
"History is written by the victors" - Winston Churchill
Ryan Nelson
I was going to note Gandhi's movement in India as one that recognized the means ultimately justified the end, but stopped short because I didn't want my entire argument to sound pacifistic. Violence can certainly be justified, but as you so concisely stated, it must be measured, and rarely is it as effective as other, ideological and academic means.
>Or until the Western and Soviet powers had built up their armies and armaments? This is where your argument falters. Creating a system that is presumed to be beset upon by the rest of the world is perhaps a warning that it shouldn't be attempted for reasons of practicality and long-term stability. Of what benefit is it to the people of your state to flourish, only to eventually enter open war?
>The take-away is that they who control the media control the narrative. Exactly. We must play by the rules of the system, not those of failed systems. Sabotage and subversion are the only avenues we really have if there is to be any hope of staving off inevitable doom.
Tyler Torres
>The take-away is that they who control the media control the narrative. If Hitler had been able to reach the hearts and minds of the rest of Europe and America, Germany would have had a much better chance at succeeding in their aims. Look at how America failed in Vietnam because public opinion in America shifted away from the war.
This is true to some extent. What allowed Hitler to come to power was his powerful rhetoric. If he had toned it down after he was elected, he may have gained more sympathy from Western powers. But I think Hitler realised that the German people needed a strong leader in a time of war. The concept of the Fuhrer was the antithesis of the squishy and dishonest left-leaning politicians that emerged out of the Weimar Republic.
Jacob Martinez
The white man shouldn't have to give up democracy and capitalism and he should be able to free himself without doing so. Imagine 1950s 'merica without (((them))) plus modern technology with a constitution which guarantees an ethno-state and forbids outsourcing jobs, usury ect. Something along the lines of this should be the goal.
Jose Turner
I think a good way to counter the "wait, you're a nationalist? MUH HOLOCAUST!!!" narrative is, instead of Holocaust Denial which is retarded and will never fly with normies, simply start signal boosting as the kids say other genocides, which should be pretty easy considering there are ones with way bigger death tolls and they almost always involve the victims being poor browny people who liberals love to cry for.
For example a great dank maymay to completely fuck over The Young Turks would be to really push how they are named after the group that committed the Aremenian Genocide, which their founder once wrote an article denying the existence of. Prompt questions such as "would you let a program called The Hitler Youth that denies the holocaust get this popular on youtube?"
Also a good way to stop the upcoming shilling for China that'll become a worse and worse thing in western culture, you can already see it in the Hollywood industry, you need to push how many genocides China has had and how horrible their communist government is.
Also this really fucks over marxists since all the worst genocides are of course commie lead.
Luke Roberts
>This is where your argument falters. Creating a system that is presumed to be beset upon by the rest of the world is perhaps a warning that it shouldn't be attempted for reasons of practicality and long-term stability.
Would you say the same about the Roman Empire? When you compare it to the dystopian Communist future we're heading towards, it doesn't seem so cut and dry. Opponents have to conjure this angel vs devil battle, to convince themselves that the means didn't justify the ends. If Hitler had won the world today would look very different; almost certainly better, at least for the average European citizen. It was also a far more sustainable model in a way that globalism isn't.
Ryan Harris
>"democracy is a gradual descent into communism" I completely agree that democracy is a failed system.
>He may have failed, but you can't deny he was a good leader. I contend that he was a good leader who squandered his success and made incontrovertible blunders. Again, returning to my primary argument, because violence as a tool is intolerable.
>he will always be remembered for his iron fisted rhetoric - which has done more harm to the west than anything else in hindsight. Confused by this. Are you reinforcing my argument or are you wishing harm to the West?
>If he had toned it down after he was elected, he may have gained more sympathy from Western powers If he had forced deportation of undesirables instead of using industrialized homicide, if he had refrained from waging war against the whole of Europe, if he hadn't antagonized the US or allied with the Empire of Japan, then maybe, just maybe, his system would have survived and flourished, maybe other European countries would have followed suit. Was that the course of action he took? No. Again, returning to my point about using violence as a means to end resulting in catastrophe.
Okay, that's well and good, but how do you propose to sell that to the masses? We can envision grand systems but we must determine how to bring about those systems.
Jaxon Morris
>If he had forced deportation of undesirables Hitler tried to do this: there's literally no evidence that he wanted to exterminate the jews. As the war progressed it became necessary because the jewish population were using up scarce food resources that were needed to feed starving soldiers on the front lines. Blame that on the tragedy of war, not on Hitler as an individual.
>if he had refrained from waging war against the whole of Europe Again, benefit of hindsight. Hitler thought Russia was weak and completely underestimated their tank building capacity, plus the delays the Russian winter would cause. If he had gone ahead with Operation Sealion and carried out a full fledged bombing campaign of British cities/airfields with the Luftwaffe, the outcome of the war could have been very different. Also, don't forget Germany extended several peace offers to the British which they refused. >if he hadn't antagonized the US or allied with the Empire of Japan Should Britain have refused an alliance with the United States? What's your point here, exactly?
>Would you say the same about the Roman Empire? I addressed this in my OP. Different era for humanity, different rules. The modern world operates on a different set of axioms.
>If Hitler had won He didn't. He fucking didn't and he fucked us all over for generations.
>It was also a far more sustainable model in a way that globalism isn't. Globalism is insidiously sustainable, that's the fucking thing that scares me the most. It's layers upon layer upon layers of control. It is slavery. We hate the same thing, my friend across the pond, but I'm proposing that the fight we put up has to necessarily distance itself from failed systems of the past. Resistance looks something like this: To which I applaud your subversive methodology, user, because it eschews anything normies are programmed to have a violent reaction to and plays into the hands of the narrative.
The Hitler meme, and the lesser Breivik meme that started my ass-blasted ranting, needs to go away if we are ever going to have a chance at winning. It's an intellectual trap and it's as dead as communism. The left adapted and replaced communism with socialism. It was a brilliant move. We need to do the same.
Cooper Anderson
>To which I applaud your subversive methodology, user, because it eschews anything normies are programmed to have a violent reaction to and plays into the hands of the narrative. >The Hitler meme, and the lesser Breivik meme that started my ass-blasted ranting, needs to go away if we are ever going to have a chance at winning. It's an intellectual trap and it's as dead as communism. The left adapted and replaced communism with socialism. It was a brilliant move. We need to do the same.
Ultimately, it is clear to me that peaceful means will never get us what we want, but that doesn't mean the alternative is any more realistic for us, because it isn't. We have way too many of our own kind actively fighting against us and even moderates that side with us aren't all going to side with us if they actually understood how far to the 'right' our ideology is. People can't be bothered to understand the world around them. Even if they start to a lot will just shrug and look the other way because digging into the truth is too much work, takes too long, and is too uncomfortable. On top of that, most people have what they need so feel no sense of desperation.
Carter Lewis
Cut to the chase amigo, what exactly are you advocating for? (in detail, don't beat around the bush).
If you're suggesting that huwhitey should start using Jew-tactics and prepare for centuries of struggle then I agree.
Nathaniel Collins
Even if we managed to form some kind of resistance, we don't have the connections to get or use the resources, or get us all in contact with one another. We don't have the connections because anybody who gets a lot of money is probably quickly tied to the establishment system, and so they have no real incentive to support the right wing. Not just because doing so is likely socially/politically dangerous, but because the system is arranged in such a way that their political fortunes would be at stake. If the right wing got its way a of of wealthy people might lose out, so we won't ever have our own George Soros. Of course not having the media is a huge problem. It is why we can never really gain any legitimacy with the common man. Even if he doesn't trust the media that doesn't mean he trusts us or has reconsidered what the media has taught him all his life. And yes, our individualism is a virtue in many respects, but also a handicap. A similar mentality in the Confederacy helped doom its cause in resisting the North. I'd also speculated that a lot of right wing people are more patient and cautious by nature, so they are unlikely to want to run off at the drop of a hat and trash the street. They take longer to get riled. They also have a more intrinsic respect for authority and law and order (thus why the right more often champions police and military).
Ayden Hernandez
Read most of that imagepost, and that poster is missing the point that hearts and minds must be won, and that cannot be achieved in the West via unwarranted violence. It absolutely cannot. The philosophers that founded our identity over the course of millennia ensured that. Taking a stand need not involve violence, nor does it invoke propagating violent historical figures.
>As the war progressed it became necessary Again, starting the war was the problem in the first place. I've stated this many times.
>What's your point here, exactly? The US was so incredibly reluctant to enter what was perceived as "another European war" that there was the likelihood we would have just shut down Japan post-Pearl Harbor and left Europe to its fate had Hitler left us alone. The sinking of US merchant marine was a massive blunder. An alliance with Japan was a blunder. Hitler literally took on the world, either directly or by proxy, and lost.
Eli Rodriguez
I agree that the war shouldve been started maybe 2 years later, but it was inevitable. Now nothing will happen in times where are reduced to shill for a trump or a le pen. Wait untill the economy colapses and real desperation kicks in
Evan Young
>was curbstomped by the rest of world
This is key. If you don't start a fight with the rest of the world, you won't have to worry about that.
Hudson Kelly
31....sm
Do you have a blog I can read, or a general way for me to catalog your ideas?
Andrew Hall
>Again, starting the war was the problem in the first place. I've stated this many times. And I've already rebutted your statement. My point is that once war began (which imo was inevitable given the tensions in Europe between communism and fascism at the time) Hitler assumed Russia was weak and could be knocked out early if they advanced quickly. This was the stupid decision (opening a war on 2 fronts), not starting the war in the first place.
>The US was so incredibly reluctant to enter what was perceived as "another European war" that there was the likelihood we would have just shut down Japan post-Pearl Harbor and left Europe to its fate had Hitler left us alone. The sinking of US merchant marine was a massive blunder. An alliance with Japan was a blunder. Hitler literally took on the world, either directly or by proxy, and lost.
If Hitler had focused on bombing British cities and captured London instead of invading Russia, the chances of the United States entering the war would have been negligible. This was his fatal mistake. Everything else was tangential.
Michael Robinson
I want the Altmer to leave.
Colton Richardson
>Cut to the chase amigo, what exactly are you advocating for? I am advocating that to be effective in fighting the evil that is socialism/globalism, we must be extremely selective about our methodology. Selective meaning that we must turn away from known quantities that have consistently failed and empowered our enemies. Earlier today, when I saw someone eloquently posting about how heroic he thought Anders Breivik's actions were, I realized how completely fucked we are if our keen minds turn to such poison. Violence as a means is unworkable and has been since the 19th century.
You have to get into the mind of a normie if you have any chance of influencing their mind. The normie mind will never accept Hitler, anything associated with Hitler, or the trappings of violence. Not without extensive amounts of didactic argument, and good luck with that slow, painful, Sisyphus-esque struggle. Your ideas must be palatable.
Maybe then, in the 20th century. Fascism and NatSoc are over, Hitler took those theories to grave with him.
I do not. This is the most I've posted here in the better part of a year. I mostly lurk. As for my thoughts, I keep them private.
The better part of our discussion has been "if this, if that." Hitler failed, m8. His failure still haunts us. My point is that, anti-normie meme-ing aside, the sooner we abandon these failed lines of thinking, the better.
But I like the Altmer. They're top mages.
Nolan Torres
>The better part of our discussion has been "if this, if that." Hitler failed, m8. His failure still haunts us. My point is that, anti-normie meme-ing aside, the sooner we abandon these failed lines of thinking, the better.
So, communism then? At this point, we can't turn back the clock. It's basically an inevitability. The welfare state is too large and destined to collapse. The US is floating on mountains of debt. The student loan bubble is about to pop. Unfunded liabilities through the roof. The Republic is finished. Trump is just a pressure valve for the white political discontent before we meet our demographic demise.
I don't mean to sound blackpilled, but what other hope is there?
>failed lines of thinking this is the whole point, the line of thinking is good, execution not so much. Stop trying to appeal to "normies", if you do you will get some monstrosity. These people are more interested with the release a new kanye album than with politics. Only true hunger, unemployment etc wilk reawaken europe
Ryan Long
My honest suggestion? Libertarianism. Why? It capitalizes on so many of the ingrained cultural ideals of the West so it is palatable to the normie, rebuffs collectivism, and is anti-socialist. The ticks and leeches either adapt or die. The powerful lose much of their political might and the common man has a fighting chance at social mobility. Is it a perfect ideology? No. It needs more thinkers, more support, more refinement. But it is mainstream, and I firmly believe it is our best avenue out of the mess we are in.
NatSoc was a strategy used once. It was defeated; it is a known quantity that has been crushed over the decades. You cannot use the same trick twice against a thinking opponent.
Libertarianism is a different beast, one that is difficult to combat by the left because it espouses so many values the left claims to uphold while simultaneously refuting their cancerous ideas.
For the sake of honesty, all the NatSoc posters on this board do not phase me, because NatSoc serves as an immediate means of getting people to accept that there is global problem and that something must be done.
I started this thread because some crazy Norwegian was masturbating over Breivik and I had a violent reaction. (heh)
>the line of thinking is good, execution not so much. Sounds kind of like the "real Communism has never been tried" rhetoric.
>Stop trying to appeal to "normies" These "normies" make up a massive part of the voter base of our democratic societies. Appealing to them is how you win. That was Hitler's greatest talent: appealing to the common citizen.
Robert Williams
MLK was a joke, the reason they got the vote, was because everyone was scared of the panthers. While Gandhi rode the wave of a crumbling British Empire, whose financial troubles would, no matter what happened, cause them to flush india down the loo.
Leo Perry
the common citizen is not part of a struggle so to say, how hard is this to understand. A weimar 2.0 is needed, and we are not there yet. Also the faults were not ideological ones but personal ones. And real communism has never been tried before necause its simply imposible on a nationwide scale
Thomas James
>everyone was scared of the panthers Leafbro, the Panthers patrolled the ghettos and were a problem only to the police. Average citizens couldn't care less about what happened in niggerland. It was the non-violent civil disobedience and the appeal to Christian ideals blasted across mass media that won the hearts and minds of white Americans. That is indisputable.
>the common citizen is not part of a struggle The common citizens make up the bulk of our societies, how can you discount them?
>A weimar 2.0 is needed Could you explain what you mean by this, user?
>Also the faults were not ideological ones but personal ones It's a combination of both. You'll have to point to specific personal failings and ideological successes to have an argument I can comment on. NatSoc and Hitler are one and the same; Nazism has never been attempted since. Separating the two requires immense guesswork and hypothesizing to be of much use.
Jack Taylor
>Hitler and his retarded ideology failed Only because he was at war with the rest of the world.
Evan Garcia
>Only because he was at war with the rest of the world. So then why was he at war? Was it because he was just that retarded or was it due to a problem with his ideology itself?
Austin Cooper
>The common citizens make up the bulk of our societies, how can you discount them? you are implying some sort of political actions needs to be undertaken now, which is absolutely not the case >Could you explain what you mean by this, user? degeneracy on an even greater scale, mass unemployment and inflation. Basically staring into the abyss >It's a combination of both. You'll have to point to specific personal failings and ideological successes to have an argument I can comment on cant really think of an ideological fault except the fact that it was intellectually underdeveloped
>you are implying some sort of political actions needs to be undertaken now, which is absolutely not the case If not now, when? After the inevitable collapse, or worse, our enslavement under socialism?
Aussie shitposters are my favorite.
Kek.
Cameron Jackson
Yes thats what im implying
Brayden Williams
Communism killed well over 200 million people, hitler was a fucking saint compared to that, now fuck off and kill yourself
