So in about 4-5 years Elon the Madman is sending the first 100 or so people to Mars. According to him each ticket will costs about 150k dollaridoos.
I just realized that the only possible political ideology that can survive on Mars, at least at the start, will be communism. This will not only be a massive leap forward in science but also a great study for politics.
I just can't wait for Elon to start blowing up millionaires in abortive attempts to turn Mars into a tourist destination. Sounds like a shitshow not to be missed.
I doubt the millionairs will even want to go. They'd probably much rather sit on earth where they can spend their money. More likely the real demographic will be middle class people with just enough money saved up to go but not so much that they have any ties to Earth.
yes, because when you have spent 150k dollars on something, you are sort of forced to be motivated.
its almost as if communism goes against how humans function and doesn't work where someone just figures out to be lazy because they aren't worth anything in the first place
Fuck, I need to go to Mars. If I had the chance I would 100% take it.
Someone would pay to die an agonizing death on another planet? How about these people should be paid. It's a stupid idea.
Define /communism/ pls.
In that case you force them to work either by actual force or by withholding resources (such as food). The thing I find funny is people bitch about how communism doesn't work because lazy cunts. But as soon as you suggest making them work "muh freedoms". I should clarify I don't mean people should be forced to do something they don't want to if they are willing to do something else.
>inb4 communist scum
I'm just presenting a logical argument for communism I'm still not decided on what system is the best.
There aren't going to be shops. Everyone is going to need to work to set up the systems that sustain life. Eco-domes. Fuel generators etc. In return they get food which is sent with them on the ships.
Middle class people don't have $150 k to spend on a vacation. He needs him some lemming millionaires. Or he could just be full of shit and attention seeking as I suspect he is on more than one subject.
You don't actually think he's sending people up there in just 4 years do you? How delusional are you?
So it's another Australia, but in Space.
I never got the hate towards Elon. He's spending millions of his own dollars on advancing science. He's a high quality philanthropist. Also lots of middle class people could easily save up a hundred or so thousand if they didn't waste it on other shit like expensive cars, big houses which they put on their credit cards, etc.
He'll probably delay it a couple of times but it's definitely happening within 10 years.
>implying normal people are going to go on the first trips
HoG will land first unmanned, then you'll have a combination of NASA astronauts and SpaceX astronauts going. There will probably be 5 people on the first manned flight. I doubt we'll see civilian trips until 2030 at least, and that's if the timeline SpaceX has set out is accurate. I doubt that.
Well mate, Raptor is already almost done so there's a decent amount of progress towards the BFR. We should see testbeds of the BFR in a year or so.
>So in about 4-5 years Elon the Madman is sending the first 100 or so people to Mars.
As someone who cares passionately about space, no he's not. The tech just isn't there, we haven't even solved the basic exposure problems. Currently it's a free cancer riddled death for having sat in a tin can.
Exposure to energized particles is bad. Magnetosphere is good. Shielding is nonexistent.
You could run some swings around the moon in 5 years, praying nothing goes wrong. Dead paying customers in the hundred thousand to million dollar range is bad for business.
> survive on Mars
I know they're talking about how it's no use doing a flyby of Mars and that they're going to go straight to bases bypassing a moon base entirely. It's horseshit. Once again we just don't have the tech. We have ideas that are great for glossy magazines you read at the dentists, or clickbait articles. These are extremely basic problems with no answer. Oxygen generation. Shielding from radiation. Sustainable shelter.
Food you could just send over in massive supply dumps. Water you could do the same. But this requires extreme investments of millions and years to prepare, choosing a site - getting the green light to do it at all, space is protected from commercial exploitation right now.
And whenever you bring up this some fucking retards will show up and huff and puff about Musk being a genius and having unlimited funds or how this is all thought out (no details on the solutions of course).. it's more bullshit than fusion energy within 5 years, every year, for 4 decades.
God damned Martian commies!
Wrong. The only possible political ideology that can survive in such a small population is tribalism.
I really don't think they would send 5 people their. They need to set up a lot of stuff to sustain life once they get there. Especially fuel generator which will allow them to send the ship back. If you send 5 people they'll be pretty fucked. Also while it does cost 150k or so. I'm pretty sure there's still a lot of vetting to do to weed out the millennial tardises.
What you are describing is tribalism, not communism, you fucking retard.
>The tech just isn't there, we haven't even solved the basic exposure problems.
A water jacket for the ship + extremely low exposure times (anyone who thinks the ITS is going to transport it's full payload to mars is a fucking idiot, it's going to be 10% of that at most with the rest of the propellant used to shorten travel distance) combined with a 50cm or so layer of soil for the martian habs should work. We're not really trying to keep people alive.
>I know they're talking about how it's no use doing a flyby of Mars and that they're going to go straight to bases bypassing a moon base entirely.
There's no point to a moon base. You're not going to secure any industry needs that can't be secured on mars, and the fuel savings are irrelevant.
>Oxygen generation.
ISRU.
>Shielding from radiation.
Soil.
>Sustainable shelter.
Futuristic, non shit 3D printing (think the stuff Boeing uses to make planes, not the stuff hobbyists use to make plastic gizmos) and supply drops for the short term.
>choosing a site - getting the green light to do it at all
The FAA will change it's tune once SpaceX comes up and says "We have a functioning mars base, we just need to put people on it. Let us do that.".
>I really don't think they would send 5 people their.
They would at first. 7 max really.
>If you send 5 people they'll be pretty fucked.
If you're not retarded when you're sending the machinery on the first unmanned flight, setting things up will be as simple as screwing things in.
>Also while it does cost 150k or so.
That's the cost given from Jewish level amortization. For the first launches it's going to cost 50 million+ per person.
>mfw i can afford a ticket. cash
>and then you woke up and apologized.
I believe they're using the Sabatier chemical process to turn the abundant CO2 in the atmosphere and H2 (which they separate from water via electrolysis) into CH4 (which they use for fuel to get the rocket back) and H2O. They also have the O2 left over from the electrolysis of the water.
You do realize that Space X is funded by NASA right? And his pet projects are funded by his investors (suckers) but when the money dries up it will be a glorious popcorn netflix event.
>Real World mars edition
He's getting into the reality TV biz with this. Ratings will be off the hook
the people being launched to their doom will be r/futurology posters and transhumanists who genuinely believe in this bullshit
>50mil
Well yeah if you're sending 5 fucking people.
>o in about 4-5 years Elon the Madman is sending the first 100 or so people to Mars.
ugh think again sweetie, these money belongs to this lady now
>You do realize that Space X is funded by NASA right?
No it's not. Some things have been funded by the USAF, but NASA works with SpaceX on a purely contractual basis.
No he's not.
It's not "funded by NASA" he accepts contracts from NASA to take shit up to the space station because he can do it cheaper. He also sunk millions of dollars to set it up which he made from other SUCCESSFUL VENTURES like Paypal.
How is SpaceX going to utilize the benefits of reusability in it's financials when it hasn't even launched the BFR five times?
Its funny how the comments people are making in this thread mirror EXACTLY what people used to say about the early pioneers.
Quite interesting actually.
I don't understand why you have a arbitrary goal of 5 reuses? They resuse shit as they want it.
>World’s First Orbital-Class Rocket Reflight
>In March 2017, SpaceX achieved the world’s >first reflight of an orbital class rocket. SpaceX’s >Falcon 9 rocket launched a geosynchronous >communications satellite on March 30, 2017, >from Launch Complex 39A (LC-39A) at >NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida. The >first stage for the mission previously supported >a space station cargo resupply launch for >NASA in April 2016. Following stage >separation, the first stage successfully >returned to Earth for a second time, landing on >a drone ship stationed in the Atlantic ocean. >This successful reflight represents a historic >milestone on the road to full and rapid rocket >reusability.
As far as I can reckon Communism works just fine in small, stable groups
with limited resources. The end goal is to colonise Mars though, so once they
have say 10000+ people and decent resources Communism just isn't
going to cut it.
>I just realized that the only possible political ideology that can survive on Mars, at least at the start, will be communism
>I just realized that the only possible
>I just realized
sure you did. fuck off commie shill. more like you "just realised" that you wanted to make another slide thread on Sup Forums
yeah sure because you are a group of 100 people you are not allowed to own any personal property and you have to do whatever culturla marxists jews tell you to, sure thing pal. you are so fucking stupid. What will actually happen is people will follow the natural order and work on what they best specialise in, which by the way is called fascism.
sage and hide
>I disagree
>You must be a shill
>sage
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>put niggers on mars
>niggers have complete control over everything
>earth becomes utopia
>use niggers on mars as test subjects for what human conditions we can handle
>apart from dead nigger bodies, nothing wrong with mars
>start inhabiting
I see no loss in this situation
Or we send all the whites to Mars. Become a multi-planetary master race since we can easily launch space ships from Mars (67% less gravity) niggers can't work out how to operate generators and regress to the dark ages. We leave them there and never return.
>tfw you will live long enough to see a human colony on mars
At least one of our sci-fi dreams became true.
Sallreadyhappening but less discriminately.
this will go horribly wrong
>A water jacket for the ship
Is one of those glossy magazine ideas. Water needs to be onboard for any mission, the question is the relative amounts you would need for shielding. Water is heavy, weight is cost. A lot of cost.
>We're not really trying to keep people alive.
Uh huh.. you're sending people there to die as part of the plan now?
>You're not going to secure any industry needs that can't be secured on mars
You don't gain anything going to Mars, you just make the job harder. The moon is right next to us and has partial shielding, a "dark" side that'd be amazing for radio telescopes (as the moon acts like a shield for interference), Helium-3 mining potential and many more benefits. Shorter lag alone might be crucial.
>oxygen
> ISRU
Or so you hope. But no set-up or testing, just run over there and hope it works.
> Shielding
>soil
Lotta digging. Or was this part of what you were bringing? You need to build a mine for protection so again that's years of prep. OP was talking 5 years. Do you think that's realistic?
> Futuristic, non shit 3D printing
Again, glossy magazine material. They had one example of lunar dust being made into brickwork by just concentrated sunlight. Pretty good, a uniform material to work with.
No uniform materials on Mars, so you need more than a mine, you need a resource extraction factory for raw material production. 5 years until humans? Or more like 50? We can't do this shit on Earth yet.
> The FAA will change it's tune
I'm looking forward to tens to hundreds of millions in handouts to keep other countries quiet about this exploitation. Especially with Russia having a veto.
>It's a "Sup Forums talks about spaceflight and rocket science" thread
oh boy I can already feel my IQ dropping
>arbitrary goal of 5 reuses
The rockets will still cost $400 million to launch, the cost saving is through having a ton of launches and spreading the manufacturing costs out. I don't know how you can't understand this. You won't be getting a 200k ticket until the 2040s, and that's even if you get a ticket at all.
>So in about 4-5 years
Haha
it's another "science the shit out of it" thread
They're planning on sending a rocket on every transit when Mars is the closest to Earth, so every 20 months I think it was. They also use the rocket twice per launch. One to get the people in space. Then one to send fuel up to refuel the ship to go to mars.
It's not that hard to build a tinted glass dome.
Also there's fuck all materials on the moon. No water and no atmosphere. So the radiation is EVEN WORSE and because the gravity is so low there's no hope of seeding the planets atmosphere.
It's not that far fetched. Most of the difficulty is getting big payloads to orbit, and getting the infrastructure and manufacturing to support it. SpaceX 5 years ago vs SpaceX today is quite stark.
Definitely wrong. Communism killed early settlers in the Americas till rudimentary capitalism took over.
Wrong link I meant
That's cheap, I'd do it. Basically extreme gardening for a living, but on a new strange planet.
>protip: mars has groundwater
>I've watched youtube videos and read wikipedia articles about space therefore I know more about elon musk
toppest of keks you autist
>the question is the relative amounts you would need for shielding.
Not much if you launch during transfer windows and use most of your propellant for a quick travel.
>Water is heavy, weight is cost. A lot of cost.
You're launching multiple Saturn Vs every day, non stop, for a month. What is cost?
>Uh huh.. you're sending people there to die as part of the plan now?
Typo, I should have written "We're not really trying to keep people alive long term". What is an increased risk of cancer in 20 years when you're trying to colonize Mars now?
>The moon is right next to us and has partial shielding
So does Mars.
>a "dark" side that'd be amazing for radio telescopes
This doesn't preclude a Mars base, and you can do this without people.
>Helium-3 mining potential
Oh god you're a fusion cuck.
>But no set-up or testing, just run over there and hope it works.
Yes, that's the entire point. You launch the unmanned vessel before you launch the vessel with people on it. If something doesn't work, no big deal.
>Lotta digging.
You don't have to dig. You can cover above ground structures with soil.
>I'm looking forward to tens to hundreds of millions in handouts to keep other countries quiet about this exploitation. Especially with Russia having a veto.
There is literally no law against a private company setting up a Mars base. There is a law against a country claiming another body as it's own.
Is your knowledge of how Mars colonization would work limited to the 5 minute ITS reveal video? Show me a rocket landing on it's own launch mount.
>pays private corporation hundreds of thousands of dollars to travel to mars
>private corporation provides all materials necessary to live, builds colony
>people will be paying money to a corporation that will also own the means on production
>everything accomplished by private enterprise, all means of production owned by private enterprise
>"isn't communism great"
>Sabatier chemical process
Sure, it's another great idea. We use it on the ISS.
Slight snags; energy for this process to be taken from where? Solar panels? Solar is much less efficient on Mars, since it's further from the sun. Dust storms has killed two probes already. Are you going to have a mechanized prep factory start this process or do you need humans there to do it? The latter is near suicidal with (again) multi year setups for mass production of materials with entire factories worth of prep to set up.
If it's all robotic prep, that's probably the most sensible, but it also has mind boggling costs of set-up with nothing but loose promises of profitability maybe 10 years down the line.
The tech to do all this does not exist. We struggle to make a self-driving car. This requires machines that can set up their own factories, gather materials, purify said materials, all with no service, nothing going wrong, with huge lag time for any correction.. on grounds not scouted or analysed for composition..
>water is heavy, weight is cost
lol, you're such a retard.
Well there's the predictable appeal to genius with zero information attached.
This, they sucked at exploring. Pioneering new lands is the white mans job.
What the fuck? You're not creating an entire manufacturing base, you're refining some methane and liquid oxygen for propellant.
Have you even read the basics of how ISRU works, or what the point of it is?
>Dust storms has killed two probes already.
Probes do not have arms to wipe dust off themselves.
Did you even do research?
and the video youtube.com
i think communism could work with 100 rich, educated people.
if they try and fuck someone over for additional food or something, they have no refuge.
>The tech to do all this does not exist. We struggle to make a self-driving car.
Except, a self-driving car is considerably harder than 90% of the problems associated with mars colonization.
>he doesn't even know what a launch mount is
Millionaires are going to sponsor common people to colonize Mars. If Elon's lucky, certain millionaires will invest several explorers to settle Mars to increase their odds. It should be a very fun game for the rich. Betting should be a big draw.
Do you think the end game is a slave colony used for resource extraction? I mean, who the F would want to live there?
The reaction produces energy.
en.wikipedia.org
Initial energy would be from either any methane left over in the tanks or from solar panels or possible wind turbines.
Why do you think they call it the Red planet...
Because it's red?
I could see it. A well off investor could seed several explorer colonies and incentivize them to extract resources for additional funding such as sending a rocket of supplies. Essentially, the various teams would compete to make the most amount of money for their investor in order to survive on the planet.
Hunger games when?
>use most of your propellant for a quick travel.
Not sure how well this works given that you need to break as much as you accelerate. Have you done some calculating?
> launching multiple Saturn Vs every day, non stop, for a month. What is cost?
Very high? This falls under my predicted appeal to unlimited funds. Who is paying for this? Musk himself? SpaceX is not raising the levels of money needed to do this, and they're sucking on government teat for a lot of funding too, it's one of the main criticisms of "privatized" space.
>What is an increased risk of cancer in 20 years when you're trying to colonize Mars now?
To people you're selling million dollar tickets to? Probably a lot.
>Oh god you're a fusion cuck.
In the context of colonizing Mars for no real reason this comment is especially chuckleworthy.
>Yes, that's the entire point.
No set up and testing is the point? So your entire colony could just fail, because nothing was prepared. "Oops?"
> don't have to dig. You can cover above ground structures with soil
..so it's a lot of digging.
> no law against a private company setting up a Mars base
Sort of. The treaties don't cover private actors but it's a tough sell to see an american company set up a Mars base and claim no american influence.
"prevention of harmful interference with space activities and the environment"
unoosa.org
Putting a bunch of humans shitting up Mars is definitely trashing the ecosystem, the question is how much of a fuss will be put up.
this guy is a scam artist.
The difference is arbitrary. the method is the same. they just didn't want to risk destroying anything because A) it's not necessary and B) it's the first ever time this has been done.
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There are many dry underground river beds which they may make use off. I honestly don't see what your point is. People aren't going to be walking around in their underware. They're going to be covered by opaque roofing most of the time and when they're not they'll either be in a tinted eco-dome or have a space suit on.
Get yo ass to Mars
Not that far fetched, considering the thread.
>You're not creating an entire manufacturing base, you're refining some methane and liquid oxygen for propellant.
Both of which you need to collect, then refine, then use a specific chemical reaction that uses a lot of energy to do, then house appropriately.
That is an entire manufacturing base and refinement too.
Why are you talking like you can refine rocket fuel in a bathtub with no real work put in? This is your big solution to getting back, and you're not willing to concede it requires a lot of things going right. A few snags on Mars and it's months for a backup on any part of this process. A bigger mistake and you take out half the base.
> Probes do not have arms
Again you're presupposing the entire Mars mission is just a matter of going there with some stuff and the details will work out. I was presupposing a more rational step by step approach of remote base building being done with remote robots.
>Not sure how well this works given that you need to break as much as you accelerate. Have you done some calculating?
It obviously comes with a tradeoff of mass you stupid fuck.
>SpaceX is not raising the levels of money needed to do this
They have plans to, with their internet constellation. I have no clue if that will pan out or not.
>To people you're selling million dollar tickets to? Probably a lot.
You'll still have people who will want to go, even just for the title of "First man to walk on Mars".
>No set up and testing is the point?
Obviously you test it on Earth as much as possible, but it's simply impossible to test it on Mars before you have to actually use it.
>so it's a lot of digging.
Yes. Considering there's less gravity though, I'm sure it won't be that hard to acquire enough soil.
>Sort of. The treaties don't cover private actors but it's a tough sell to see an american company set up a Mars base and claim no american influence.
All that you have to do is not send any guns over, and make sure the American government doesn't say it sees the base as it's own territory.
And any other Martian Ecosystem bullshit is completely void, we've already contaminated Mars.
What?
That's fucking retarded and like saying the International Space Station runs on communism because a screw in a small vehicle shares resources.
It'll be properly trained airforce veterans who won't kind dying on a one way trip to another planet
>only communism will survive on Mars
This is so stupid. Why do you even say it?
You know if you put a small group of kids together to do a task, or even put a bunch of hamsters in a cage, a leader will naturally emerge?
won't happen, he'll be divorce raped and won't be able to afford it
>Both of which you need to collect, then refine, then use a specific chemical reaction that uses a lot of energy to do, then house appropriately.
I already told you that the reaction GENERATES ENERGY.
en.wikipedia.org
What do you mean what? You're trying to say that landing on it's launch mount is somehow massively different to landing on a normal pad.
Sounds pretty cucky. But I'm sure some kind of transhumanautist faggots would jump for joy while jizzing in their jodhpurs at the chance
communism is cuckoldory
elon is a massive cuck who's going to give half of mars to his ex wives
>Both of which you need to collect, then refine, then use a specific chemical reaction that uses a lot of energy to do, then house appropriately.
That's not really hard. All of the reactions used for ISRU are already well known.
>That is an entire manufacturing base and refinement too.
No? It's just setting up a few refinement devices and plugging them into each other. The real problem is getting it to work on Mars, and if it doesn't you can simply not launch people until a replacement device is sent.
>Why are you talking like you can refine rocket fuel in a bathtub with no real work put in?
Because it's the work of private enterprise, and no lives are at stake. So what if it goes wrong? Oh no, now we launch another 100 tons of equipment to Mars for the colonists, all is lost.
>A few snags on Mars and it's months for a backup on any part of this process.
Too bad.
>I was presupposing a more rational step by step approach of remote base building being done with remote robots.
The spaceship portion of the ITS IS DESIGNED TO BE THE BASE FOR THE FIRST COLONISTS. The first unmanned launch is just for supplies. The actual base comes later.
Yes it is. Unless you want to spend 5 hours making the rocket safe for transport, 2 hours to get it to the nearest preparation facility and 12+ hours mounting the new payload on it, getting the rocket to land on it's launch mount is vital to quick turnaround.
I hope he can do it. I don't know much about him though. His rocket that landed was very good
>It obviously comes with a tradeoff of mass
So you haven't done any calculating.
>They have plans to, with their internet constellation
Oh, million dollar investments in a Mars base that won't generate anything at all are bound to show up. Because OMG I LOVE SCIENCE people will just crowdfund it.
> You'll still have people who will want to go
You certainly will. Will they be the ones who can afford to piss out millions of dollars for tickets? With a high chance of dying on launch, on route, or on Mars? Not very likely. You don't even have that many people ready to pay that much to go to space, or the ISS, things that are by now safe and sure.
> Obviously you test it on Earth as much as possible
Just the amount of missions to Mars that are utter failures over minor things, failures of chutes, failures of trajectory, a minor instrument not deploying, dust fucking up the panels, the ground being a different consistency.. and these are things we can shrug off. Not the keystones of human lives and the entire success of a Mars mission.
"Let's hope it works when we get there" is just so fundamentally boneheaded and counter to the way we've done everything else by incremental improvement.
>I'm sure it won't be that hard to acquire enough soil.
Alright, let's go with that.
> make sure the American government doesn't say it sees the base as it's own territory
Or rather, make sure nobody else doesn't see it that way. I refer you to my earlier statement about handouts of money.
> Martian Ecosystem bullshit is completely void, we've already contaminated Mars
Actually NASA worked very hard to not contaminate Mars, it's in all the probe mission specifications to avoid it. The difference between a few drones and a dozen humans worth of waste is pretty big.
>the reaction GENERATES ENERGY.
"hydrogen with carbon dioxide at elevated temperatures (optimally 300–400 °C)".
You were getting the hydrogen from electrolysis you said?
Mar is significantly hotter than Earth so that's a bonus straight up. Once the generator is started it will easily keep itself at that temperature and maybe be harnessed if it gets hotter than necessary. And yes hydrogen for electrolysis which isn't that hard/doesn't require that much power.
Hilarious, mars is and has been inhabited for a longggggg time. Protip if you want to survive as a populace against most odds you go UNDERGROUND. Conveniently mars has HUGGGGGE ancient lava tubes, so in conclusion the 1950s braindrain stole aome of this pla ets top minds and brilliant people and promised a jetaon like future only to confin them to litteral slavery. Corporations have massive colonies on mars and many many other plants moons and even asteroids. ((they)) are seeding humanity's collective consciousness to the truth so when the cats out the bag they can say, "well we tried to tell you".
>So you haven't done any calculating.
Alright, here, have a chart.
>Oh, million dollar investments in a Mars base that won't generate anything at all are bound to show up.
So you haven't read about the plans for the internet constellation? SpaceX's internal figures show that they expect billions of dollars of revenue. If you have a problem with that figure, yell at them.
>Not the keystones of human lives and the entire success of a Mars mission.
"Just do things without any risk!"
Your only argument on this front is that a spaceship exploding will be bad for Mars colonization, and that's not really even an argument. If you want to draw the line there, you might as well just cease any space travel efforts in the first place.
>Actually NASA worked very hard to not contaminate Mars, it's in all the probe mission specifications to avoid it.
They have already contaminated Mars. This isn't up for debate. If the hippies want to like, preserve Martian life and all of that stuff, brooooo, they should have raised that point up with NASA multiple decades ago.
"mars" doesnt exist and theres a dome covering the earth
so good luck getting out
with anything except fake cgi
>Oh no, now we launch another 100 tons of equipment to Mars for the colonists, all is lost.
nextbigfuture.com
Falcon 9.1.1- $4,109/kg
100 short tons
=372 760 262 dollars.
372 million dollars is all the money the US spent on Education, Medicare & Health, Government, Science, Transportation, Social Security.. and more, in the year 2016.
It's just a throwaway number to you. It's an "oh well", replaceable. If something goes wrong we'll just piss away another amount equal to it, all so we can put a dozen people on Mars to do.. nothing.
This is why you and people like you are just up to the eyeballs on bullshit. You're some kind of weird Elon Musk cultists proclaiming everything will just work out.
Take a guess how much they spent on nigger welfare and medicare.
And wtf that is WAY OFF cunt. I don't know where the fuck you got that amount from. US spent 646 BILLION dollars on medicare and 481 BILLION on welfare. That's slightly more than 372 million.
>Alright, here, have a chart.
Thanks.
> SpaceX's internal figures show that they expect billions of dollars of revenue
"Company that seeks millions in venture capital expects billions in return"? No, really? I thought their internal documents would say it's a bad investment.
>If you have a problem with that figure
If you believe them to be impartial and trustworthy I have a timeshare to sell you.
>Your only argument on this front is that a spaceship exploding will be bad for Mars colonization
You were the one suggesting people with millions of dollars to spare were on those missions. Do you think you can blow people like that up without problems bigger than the cost of lives?
If they can piss away millions on a trip, they can piss away much more making sure any problems end up jewing you out of existence no matter what they sign.
>They have already contaminated Mars.
I guess it's just a garbage pile now then.
> they should have raised that point up with NASA multiple decades ago.
They did, it's why NASA has rigorous contamination preventative measures on their missions to Mars you fucking idiot.
>first gov will be communism
the first gov will be a military hierarchy, just as it was for the NASA astronauts that went to the moon you literal moron.