You know what I hate about Sup Forums? You people are too obsessed with race instead of ideology...

You know what I hate about Sup Forums? You people are too obsessed with race instead of ideology. I would rather live in a country with a thousand sub-Saharan Africans who share my values than a single European Muslim or European communist.

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fuck off back to the_donald, civic nationalist cuck

OK, then go to that country nigger lover!

Genetics are the stem, culture is the flower. You can't separate race from shared identity.

>I would rather live in a country with a thousand sub-Saharan Africans who share my values

Good luck when the talented 1/10th of your nigger friends have kids and they all regress to the mean average of their race. Faggot.

Culture and values are downstream from race.

LMFAO I LOVE BASED LAURA SOUTHERN I LOVE HOW SHE READS Sup Forums AND POSTS WHAT I READ TO PLACES THAT ARE NOT WHERE I READ THEM

THE MORE THE MERRIER WE NEED TO REDPILL ALL THE NORMIES WITH BASED TRANNY AND NIGGER CUM AND KEK WILLS IT

>You know what I hate about Sup Forums? You people are too obsessed with race instead of ideology.

Hurrrr everyone is the same

Hurrrr the only kinds of threads are race threads

I agree with you... but.... can't really have lulz if you choose ideology over race.

This. This is what Amurica is about. If a shitskin wants to live in a trailer and watch NASCAR they are more American that a white atheist faggot

I would've agreed with you very recently. Unfortunately, the fact of the matter is that culture and ideology are just the ways that race manifests in human behavior. I want to live in a country full of people who share my values. But most of the people OF MY OWN RACE don't hold my values. For God's sake, I'm an Ashkenazi Jew, and Israel has laws against questioning the official narrative of the holocaust. Why would I want to live somewhere like that? Questioning things is what I do. And American Jews disproportionately vote for big government, i.e. Democrats. There are outliers, like me, but most people of a given race vote in their own interests, which generally means a big government to protect them from the white Anglo-Saxons who, when working to their full potential, crush all competition.

cuck

Why not both?

False dichotomy. Homogeneous societies organically converge on collective values.

Go fuck yourself.

Yourapeon

Here's Yourope

>Sub-Saharan African
>Values

Pick one newfag. Fuck off back to where you came from

Sup Forums btfo

Yourapeon

Here's Yourope

ethnonationalism makes it too easy for traitors to gain a foothold

youre right, fuck hitlerdindu stormniggers

Africans don't share White values. They simply lack the creativity, intelligence, and work ethic necessary to survive in White society. There's a reason most of them are on welfare or in jail

Whats the percentage of whites in your country mate?

Yeah nah fuck off.

>implying sub-Saharan Africans have values
OP is an indisputable faggot

then you're an imbecile. one man is far more easily dealt with than thousands

>I would rather live in a country with a thousand sub-Saharan Africans who share my values
Except there is no such country because sub-Saharan Africans are genetically incapable of sharing civilized western values. If they were, they would've formed strong civilized and technologically-developed African nations instead of decrepit failed states scavenging on the colonial infrastructure that whites left them.

The truth of civic nationalism is that it inevitably leads to racial nationalism. Because certain groups will always fail to integrate. And as they reap the benefits of that failure by being marginalized and removed, the nation eventually becomes racially homogeneous.

look at the beaner and laugh!

Why not have both ethnic AND racial homogeneity senpai ??? >;3

stupid fucking shartburger

you just dont get it...

(OP)
>Africans
>Muslims
>Values

>Africans
>Muslims
>Sharing

How well is South Africa being shared right now? Are the blacks very generous and tolerant when they're in power?

time 2 go bak nigger

Why the hell would I care?

thanks for the (((evolution))). please step into Yourope for execution

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Sage

Lmao nice b8 Schlomo

Technically, I agree. Unfortunately, ideology frequently follows demographic lines. So, while a Mestizo individualist might be better than a White collectivist, on average Mestizos more more likely to be collectivist and Whites are more likely to be individualist. Whether there is any inherent genetic basis to this may not be completely clear, but the demographic data is.

See the following video for the musical argument:

youtube.com/watch?v=jcUZrDX5P7A

>I would rather live in a country with a thousand sub-Saharan Africans who share my values

so you enjoy rape murder and theft then?

race is the seed, culture is the flower.

>expecting either IQ Tests or NAP
>get the latter
Fair enough.

Damn! chloe looks like this now!!

Being white is an ideology, as you can see being white depends on what people think is white. Some will say people who come from Europe, some will extend and say middle easterns and north africans can sometimes have white people. Some say only north europeans are white.

...so you don't like national socialism?

Typical christcuck right here
See why kikeworship is wrong?

You share values with sub-saharan Africans? gtfo

A handful of nonwhites emulating white values will never make up for the rest that don't. It's very high risk and very low reward to allow them in our countries. Whites are the most naturally empathetic race and that will ALWAYS be exploited by everyone else.

>be black
>have warrior gene
>have much more violent reactions than whitey on average
>nigger 2 steps on my shoe
>deck that mofugga in the jaw that big aint be stepping on muh jordans
Even christian niggers will do this. Don't play favorites with statistics. United communities are not perfect, and trying to mix races has never worked in a single historical civilization.

This. OP you already do live in a place where over 1 in 1000 are Muslims. Enjoy being eaten by cannibals in the Congo.

White = european. Some parts of the mideast have a large amount of euro dna, mostly Syria and north Iran but they're sparse.

You cannot have race separate from ideology. Everything is derived from race. Culture is derived from genes.

It's a hard truth to swallow. But the truth sets one free.

Hyperborea

4pt.su/en/content/myths-about-hyperborea

Ideology can change, race can't.

>Implying people of the same race arent more likely to share your values
Do you even realise how much your genetics determine?

God i hate seeing this. I live in NY and do you know there is absolutely nothing stopping me from applying for SNAP food stamps and using it all on Red Bull? I might just do it just to prove a point to my leftist faggot friends who think this stuff is all good.

>africans
>values
top kek friend

Please expand on this. Do you have information to support? Not trolling, genuinely curious, since I believe the exact opposite.

You believe that culture determines race?

>a thousand sub-Saharan Africans who share my values
Really nigga?

Well it does in a sense. White people are not white for any other reason then a group of humans got together and formed a culture that changed the total amount of sun the whole population got, which also affected their intelligence.

Black people, and dark people in general, are dark because they are dumb, and their skin has to make up for them being out in the sun, mostly naked, for the totality of human civilization.

You know, there's this idea that people don't have an innate in group preference. And that, somehow, you can have multiple races living together productively.

We can have studies showing that it lowers civic cohesion, raises social alienation, shows increase in crime, all of that. And people still say that race doesn't matter.

Well, maybe race doesn't matter to you. But it fucking matters to a nigger. And it fucking matters to a kike. And it matters to spics. It sure as fuck matters to an Arab.

As long as niggers vote to take money from your homes and neighborhoods and into theirs, how can civic nationalism exist? How can civic nationalism exist when niggers view whites as an out group?

In a sense, yes, as race is essentially a meme, but that's not what I meant.

I meant that ideology and culture are not intrinsically linked to race, and cultures within a race evolve. See: 1960's black vs. 2017 blacks.

>believes in evolution
>thinks race can't change
^whitegoi intellectuals, everyone

What you fail to realize OP is that lesser races are not inclined to care for the same values that you and I hold dear as Europeans.

>race is a meme

No. If we're honest with ourselves, races should be classified as subspecies.

Whites/Asians have up to 4% neanderthal DNA that makes us distinct from low IQ nigs. Neanderthals had larger brains than homo sapiens.

smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/neanderthals-went-extinct-30000-years-ago-their-dna-lives-us-180949561/

fpbp

It's not that people don't have an innate in group preference, it's that race is not a deciding factor on deciding whether or not x person is part of x in group of.

I'm 50% Puerto Rican, 25% Polish, 22% french and 3% Native american.

All groups first think I'm greek or something, because I have that olive tint. Except for ricans, they can see it in me for some reason, maybe they think I'm the "white spaniard" ideal.

But then, even old racist white people, after a few minutes of talking to me identify me as white. The only group of people I have to exploit my spanish side around is blacks, thank god for that otherwise I'd have the race card pulled on me at ever corner, and when I have no tan I have problems.

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Yea, Sup Forums is only trolling about being Nazi's

Its not like if NeoHitler arose tomorrow based completely on a race realist merit based Eugenics program 90%+ of 110IQ+ under 50 males would sign up to make the 1000 year riech riegn.

Except those birds can't crossbreed, indicating that they have different numbers of alleles. Thus, sub-species.

All human races are capable of interbreeding, so humans are more like dogs, so is support the purely semantic change from race to breed.

Also, nice data point. Got any more?

Any response to the evolution of culture within a race? That alone seems to prove that breed and culture aren't directly linked.

That's bullshit and you know it. Many mammalian species can breed through subspecies. Tigers and lions, horses and zebras, wolves and canines, horses and donkeys. In fact, as another user has pointed out already, humans bred with the neanderthal s.

>tfw no (you)
This is what effortposting gets me.

Dropping redpills OK

The Minnesota transracial adoption study showed adopted children of different races still had a tested IQ that matched their racial average, even after being raised in affluent white families.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

This study of identical twins (white) raised apart showed that the absolute difference in IQ scores between twins reared apart is only a few points greater than the difference observed when one person takes 2 separate IQ tests. Also, environmental effects were found to be associated with prenatal factors such as birth weight, and not SocioEconomic Status.

>Here we report on detailed three-dimensional maps revealing how brain structure is influenced by individual genetic differences. A genetic continuum was detected in which brain structure was increasingly similar in subjects with increasing genetic affinity. Genetic factors significantly influenced cortical structure in Broca's and Wernicke's language areas, as well as frontal brain regions

nature.com/neuro/journal/v4/n12/abs/nn758.html

>The researchers found that certain regions of the brain were highly heritable. These included language areas, known as Broca’s and Wernicke’s areas, and the frontal region, which, among other things, plays a huge role in cognition.

>In identical twins, these areas showed a 95 to 100 per cent correlation between one twin and the other – they were essentially the same. The frontal structure, says Thompson, appears to be as highly influenced by genes as the most highly influenced trait we know of – fingerprints.

>“It’s extraordinary how similar they are,” he says. The finding suggests that environment – their own personal experiences, what they learned in life, who they knew – played a negligible role in shaping it.

homefacts.com/city/North-Carolina/Watauga-County/Boone.html

>Boone, NC
>pop. approx. 17,000
>Median Household Income $13,000
>90% White
>Crime levels less than the national average

Meanwhile

homefacts.com/city/California/Los-Angeles-County/View-Park-Windsor-Hills.html

>View Park−Windsor Hills is one of the wealthiest primarily African-American areas in the United States. The two neighborhoods are part of a band of neighborhoods, from Culver City's Fox Hills district on the west to the Los Angeles neighborhood of Leimert Park on the east, that compose the single largest and one of the wealthiest, well-educated geographically contiguous high upper-class communities in the western United States
>Pop. of 11,000
>Median Household Income $83,000
>85% Black
>Crime above national average

Blacks are genetically unfit for civilization confirmed.


Notice differences in the X axis of the two charts

jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html

>Recent agent-based computer simulations suggest that ethnocentrism, often thought to rely on complex social cognition and learning, may have arisen through biological evolution. From a random start, ethnocentric strategies dominate other possible strategies (selfish, traitorous, and humanitarian) based on cooperation or non-cooperation with in-group and out-group agents. Here we show that ethnocentrism eventually overcomes its closest competitor, humanitarianism, by exploiting humanitarian cooperation across group boundaries as world population saturates. Selfish and traitorous strategies are self-limiting because such agents do not cooperate with agents sharing the same genes. Traitorous strategies fare even worse than selfish ones because traitors are exploited by ethnocentrics across group boundaries in the same manner as humanitarians are, via unreciprocated cooperation.

>In explaining eventual ethnocentric dominance, Hammond and Axelrod (Hammond & Axelrod 2006a, 2006b) focus on the ability of ethnocentrics to out-compete free-riders in neighboring clusters. They defined a free-rider as a selfish agent who benefits from the cooperation of others while defecting and thus incurring no cost to itself. Hammond and Axelrod illustrate the dynamics of ethnocentric dominance over selfish free-riders by imagining a cluster of selfish agents near a differently tagged cluster of ethnocentric agents. These two clusters compete for neighboring free space. Although neither cluster cooperates across group lines, agents within the ethnocentric cluster benefit more from the cooperation of fellow members than do agents within the selfish cluster. Agents from the ethnocentric cluster have higher net RP, and thus are more likely to win the competition for space by placing more offspring in it.

>This ability to out-compete free-riders would presumably be undermined if the ethnocentrics in this example were replaced by humanitarians, because humanitarians cooperate across group boundaries. Indeed, in a simulation consisting of only humanitarian and selfish agents, group distinctions are trivial because they do not affect cooperative behavior; humanitarians cooperate with everyone, and selfish agents cooperate with no one. Thus, unlike ethnocentrics, humanitarians seem to lack a mechanism for defeating free-riders. If ethnocentrics out-compete free-riders better than humanitarians do, this could explain why ethnocentrics eventually dominate over humanitarians. We can term this the mediation hypothesis because it holds that interactions with selfish free-riders mediate the outcome of ethnocentric-humanitarian competition.

>Alternatively, one might focus on the dynamics of direct competition between humanitarian and ethnocentric clusters. As suggested by both previous results (Hammond & Axelrod 2006b) and present results, the chief competitor for ethnocentrism is humanitarianism rather than selfishness. Ethnocentrics of one cluster exploit humanitarians of another cluster, benefiting from the latter's cooperation while donating nothing in return. There are thus two candidate hypotheses to explain eventual ethnocentric dominance: the mediation hypothesis that ethnocentrics out-compete free-riders more effectively than humanitarians do, and the direct hypothesis that ethnocentrics exploit humanitarians across cluster frontiers. We test these two hypotheses in Studies 1 and 2.

archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/

>IT HAS BECOME increasingly popular to speak of racial and ethnic diversity as a civic strength. From multicultural festivals to pronouncements from political leaders, the message is the same: our differences make us stronger.

>But a massive new study, based on detailed interviews of nearly 30,000 people across America, has concluded just the opposite. Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam -- famous for "Bowling Alone," his 2000 book on declining civic engagement -- has found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings. The study, the largest ever on civic engagement in America, found that virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings.

>Putnam claims the US has experienced a pronounced decline in "social capital," a term he helped popularize. Social capital refers to the social networks -- whether friendships or religious congregations or neighborhood associations -- that he says are key indicators of civic well-being. When social capital is high, says Putnam, communities are better places to live. Neighborhoods are safer; people are healthier; and more citizens vote.

>The results of his new study come from a survey Putnam directed among residents in 41 US communities, including Boston. Residents were sorted into the four principal categories used by the US Census: black, white, Hispanic, and Asian. They were asked how much they trusted their neighbors and those of each racial category, and questioned about a long list of civic attitudes and practices, including their views on local government, their involvement in community projects, and their friendships. What emerged in more diverse communities was a bleak picture of civic desolation, affecting everything from political engagement to the state of social ties.

>But even after statistically taking them all into account, the connection remained strong: Higher diversity meant lower social capital. In his findings, Putnam writes that those in more diverse communities tend to "distrust their neighbors, regardless of the color of their skin, to withdraw even from close friends, to expect the worst from their community and its leaders, to volunteer less, give less to charity and work on community projects less often, to register to vote less, to agitate for social reform more but have less faith that they can actually make a difference, and to huddle unhappily in front of the television."

>"People living in ethnically diverse settings appear to 'hunker down' -- that is, to pull in like a turtle," Putnam writes.

>Under the contact theory, more time spent with those of other backgrounds leads to greater understanding and harmony between groups. Under the conflict theory, that proximity produces tension and discord.

>Putnam's findings reject both theories. In more diverse communities, he says, there were neither great bonds formed across group lines nor heightened ethnic tensions, but a general civic malaise. And in perhaps the most surprising result of all, levels of trust were not only lower between groups in more diverse settings, but even among members of the same group.

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That nicely outlines that genetic determine intelligence, but isn't it still a stretch to say the genetics determines culture?

Tigers and lions are not the same subspecies. They are not even the same species. Fuck, you have the internet at your disposal, unfortunately. At least look this shit up before you post ignorant garbage. Don't talk about genetics and race if you don't have better than a grade school comprehension that some animals are different from other animals. You are part of the reason "American Education" is a meme, you fucking mongoloid.

Tiger subspecies: Siberian, bengal, Sumatran

>Any response to the evolution of culture within a race?

Fluid or rapidly changing cultures are a relatively new phenomenon. I'd say it started with the invention of the railroad. Easy travel allowed for cultures to influence one another to an extent never seen before. This process has only been sped up with air travel and telecommunications (and the Jews).

However, if races were still isolated, cultures would remain relatively stable. Do you really think African culture would have "evolved" without being influenced by Western ideas? They basically had made no progress in 100,000 years. They were never going to come up with complex ideas like democracy or the scientific method that are fundamental to Western philosophy.

Try finding a thousand sub-Saharan niggers who share ANY of your values, OP retard.

Good fucking luck, you're just bitching about nothing.

That's why I include the second study that shows that the frontal lobe, which can be considered the most "human" part of the brain associated with emotion and personality, is almost completely influenced by genetics.

Also remember that there's no one gene that controls for IQ. Similarities in IQ suggest similarities in many genes including those controlling behavior, which would naturally suggest similarities in culture.

the replies you see in this thread are clear indicators of the normie infestation, the uninitiated who claim to be redpilled after browsing for a week

these same people who constantly talk about how much they hate muslims and blacks are the same reddit cucks who unironically love the jews

Agreed, but exposed to the philosophy of governance and the philosophy of capitalism, they assimilated elements And the culture changed with the race stagnated.

I use this as evidence that culture is mailable and optional. Breed determines your starting attributes, and culture is an overlay that makes use of the breed-basics.

Pol is this the best response you could give? Embarrassing..

tafuck is this bullshit

>first graph x axis has 100-200%=2 blocks, 200-300%=1 block
>second block is in increments of 50%

user you've activated my Autism, must extract correct data

Black
>Violent Crime 139% (shows 162%)
>Murder 127% (shows 155%)
>Rape 100% correct
>Robbery 312% correct
>Aggr. Assault 136% (shows 160%)
>Property Crime 146% (shows 164%)
>Burglary 95% (shows 146%)
>Larceny 70%(shows 135%)
>Vehicle Theft 275% correct

Bottom is correct. Fix it and I'll read it user.

Culture is NOT optional.

It serves a distinct purpose which we've taken for granted.

youtube.com/watch?v=q_xJpVlry14

Again, that gives you a basic framework, but culture is too flimsy and tedious for it be accurately predicted from brain modeling.

Even degenerate cultures have branching mutations: bloods/crips.

I make the argument that cultures and philosophy can be taught to a person of any breed, and they can be adopted as much as the learner is willing.

See: Carlton or Wayne braidy.

You can, you just need to give them different and proper upbringing. There are blacks, there are niggers, there are whites, there are white niggers like you.
>ook ook muh race best race

Panthera tigris - Tiger
Panthera leo - Lion

>Lern2scientific classification

So what your saying is, that we know for a fact that Lions and Tigers are not even of the same species. So in the Kingdom>Phylum>Class>Order>Family>Genus>Species>Subspecies classification, thats a breeding between organisms of a different Genus. Thanks for strengthening my argument.

I'm not downplaying the importance of rituals. I'm saying that what rituals we attend aren't hardwired into our race, and we have options concerning in which we partake.

Good luck finding an African country that shares your values. Unless you're a nigger, in which case you should fit right in because you have no values, nigger.

Read all the materials in the link below, blue pill burger faggot

jaymans.wordpress.com/hbd-fundamentals/

Retarded nigger report back to your owner immediately. he said that race holds time but ideologies can jump from left to right overnight therefor racial nacionalism is better.

So by your concept, races are different genuses?

Checked and keked

OP rekt

>this is what america is about
>jefferson, washington, etc were wrong
>because i say so

Those thousand nigs would like you to live with them too.

Poor little white boy x1000

Fuck off civic nationalist. You have to go back.

Some races are better at following rules and have greater self restraint.

This allows those races to form more structured and complex cultures as opposed to resorting to tribalism/hedonism.

The Genus is Panthera, the species is Pathera Tigris. Tigers and Lions are of the same genus. An example of a sub species would be Panthera tigris sumatrae which is the Sumatran Tiger.