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>There's a reason why it's called neo liberalism and not classic liberalism.
>Why is neo liberalism a cancer?
Its just globalism is the easiest way of putting it. The market controls the people and they become its slaves not the other way around.

Shaltear>Albedo

State is obsolete. Private entities can do everything the state can do - but better

>I'm not ____
>let me show you just how not ____ I am by constantly repeating how I'm not ____

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Well before the meme posting we were talking about how the only way to serve the family unit is collectivism with the example of family blood feuds leading to the self destruction of one's own family unit because of negligence to the collective interests of the whole community, where the community is an extended family of sorts. On that same note, if collectivization is an inherent harm to society why have families at all when you are sacrificing individualism for the collective identity of your family?

Debate me statists, I will crush you with my iron logic

>still hasn't answered any of my basic questions and keeps using fallacies.
I'm still waiting...

> the only way to serve the family unit is collectivism
I'm gonna need you to elaborate on that

This thread is still currently the best on Sup Forums. :^)

Fresh slate, compadre. Hit me with your best shot

I did in the post

>the austistic canadian

Do they come in any other variety?

Kek, I admire your spirit and autism. How many posts in the last thread? I'm guessing around 60. I have a question for you Autismchan.

lolbertarians/ancap are always espousing the a priori belief that the "hidden hand" of the market will somehow lead to bad actors being removed. It seems to be based on a misconceived social Darwinist view. However in nature (and I suspect in the market) things which are detrimental to the greater population, environment and other species often have the greatest success in replication. Look at how foreign invasive species have taken root in places in the animal world. This mirrors precisely what we see with 3rd world immigrants. How exactly does this resolve in Ancapistan?

Okay, well I don't know how we can debate that, because it is a difference in opinion from the fundamentals. I think the only collective you need be a part of is your family unit. If you look out for the best interests of yourself (and thus your family, if you are the provider) than society benefits. What is your counter argument? I am not familiar with the Hatfield and McCoy folklore.

>Do they come in any other variety?
So it has been said that one day, when distress is great, the non-austistic canadian will emerge, rise, gather them all and lead it's fellow leafs to salvation. This day will be called Rakenarök.

Everything I post here is satire and irony, ftr. EVERYTHING.
Especially all the shit about denying the holocaust. And how there weren't enough ovens, and the Red Cross was monitoring the camps, and there was a swimming pool at Auschwitz. All satire.
Even when I talk about gassing the kikes and mudskins. Still just innocent satire.
Definitely not a Nazi here.

>How exactly does this resolve in Ancapistan?
I'd guess that society would adapt. Either the "invasive species" was removed, or the host species would have to bow down to a new overlord. It wouldn't be without a fight however - Ancapistan would have the most high tech cybernetic army the world has ever seen, with the help of uncut capitalism, innovation would create the most incredible private military known to mankind

S-Same. I-I just like a-animu girls...

>Shaltear>Albedo
Why yes, how is that even a thing.

Same, I'm just here for the spicy memes. No racism here, officer

kek
underrated

Non-Nazi checking in

if you're actually a racist you're dumb

Y-yeah. Of course. The spicy memes. Heh. What else. The spicy. Memes. And stuff...

T. Libshit
>>IRL nazi

lmao

I don't just mean human populations, though the migrant crisis does tie in. But rather, companies themselves can act in bad faith, given they have the market share to do so. It happens right now of course too. It's why we have anti-trust laws. A company gets so big they control a market and can manipulate it in unhealthy ways. They can temporarily adjust prices to undercut potential competitors until they destroy them, then continue on unhindered. We barely have it under control now, in Ancapistan there would be no limits on it. The free hand of the market could never come to bare on such an entity.

Believing that there are racial groups which have distinct characteristics, which is shown to be true by both genetics and anthropology makes you dumb. This is some genuine newspeak here. War is peace, right is wrong, believing science makes you dumb. kek

Where do autistic anime alt-right austrians meet up?
I'm getting bored with my cuck friends.

TLDR the Hatfields and McCoys were two large families who had an interstate feud with each other who ended up killing each other off completely by ignoring the laws of the collective at the time in favor of their own family units. They are sort of like the montagues and capulets from Romeo & Juliet, except in the end no one came to the conclusion that their needs to be a collective civil discourse among people and instead most of the Hatfields and McCoys were shot or hanged.

The argument of looking out for your families best interests is therefore null with these kinds of examples. Collectivism asserts that while the individual is important and greater order cannot be established with individual control, once you reach said goal you must move to the next family becomes community, thus a greater collective. Even Rothbard towards his later years admitted he wrong about some aspects of collectivism.

Define being racist.

extreme individualism is autism

extreme collectivism is hive mind

I don't know, user-kun...
Hiding my powerlevel is my main occupation when outside.

U-u a qt?

His definition of racism is not wanting to suck nigger dick

Reminder that any waifu besides momoko will get you into hell
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Interesting point, but those large corporations with seemingly unlimited power are in bed with the politicians. It is a system where the profits are privatized and the losses are public (bailed out by the tax payer). If the government took a step back and let the competition play on an even playing field, those big corporate would not be able to do that from fear of bankruptcy. If the government plays favorites, you have oligarchs that control their market segment, and cut out their competition.

The "invisible hand" that Adam Smith wrote about was mostly about pricing in the economy

i am

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I'm doomed then I guess...

So that is satire too if everything is, meaning the rest isnt satire.

I could argue that they weren't really looking out for their families best interests if they were breaking the law and putting each-other in danger. I think a rule of law is important in a society, but I don't think it should be a public entity that enforces it. I think the police force should be privately owned and operated, and if they become corrupt and coercive, then they will go bankrupt and imprisoned/killed themselves.

well done heinrich you understand sarcasm

Yes, but since momoko is my waifu already you had no chance of salvation either

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Being racist nowadays is anything that isn't fitting the liberal narrative, all else is because of racial issues.

Most of Sup Forums just believes that people shouldn't mix all cultures and races together because we lose our identity and individuality. Separate but equal, yeh? It's the ideal form of society assuming it's actually equal in the beginning of it's founding (not the later parts, not communism).

A lot of us actually hate Jews though, they tend to infiltrate most countries and leech off their wealth.

I don't disagree about politicians being a problem is our system in this capacity. But bailouts are a rarity and not exactly what I was talking about, though they do interfere with companies not going under that should. But

>If the government plays favorites, you have oligarchs that control their market segment, and cut out their competition.

The government isn't necessary for this. Government or not corporations could still do this, and they certainly could (since they already do) get big enough to dominate markets. Take for instance internet access. I'm sure if you're old enough you remember the government blocking Comcast and Time Warner merging. But in Ancapistan there's no one block this. If they merged they would control about 70% of the Internet access in the USA. How would a company ever hope to challenge their dominance, and what would prevent them from abusing such dominance? They could control the price of the market, down to the local level, to prevent any competition from ever arising and crushing any potential competitors by temporarily lowering the price until they are driven out of business. And in Ancapistan these same corporations have their own private military and/or police forces?

I just see too much potential for mega-corporations to do harm for this to ever appeal to me. It's why NatSoc appeals to me. Semi-free market where the limit is whether it harms the Volk/people. This basic idea I feel should the foundation of the limit of corporate power.

No-one here is ACTUALLY a Nazi.
That would be taking things too far.

Exactly. You get it. Kudos to you dude, you're smart.

Collectivism's concept of freedom is different from a libertarians in an ontological sense because it establishes a set continua where people have a duty to pursue greater amounts of good in the world as a collective family like entity. In other words, every individual lives by a set of rules that are agreed upon mores of the family (rule of law as you put it) and the public entity is just a total representation of the people. It requires a totally moral and dutiful populace in the same way liberty requires, Should the public entity not represent the a collective, then you have an uprising among an armed populist. This way there us no difference between privately owned and state owned, the entire dichotomy doesn't exist, you just have the people/volk/community and a moral obligation towards liberty. Libertarians tend to focus too much on positive liberty, which is the problem they have with collectivists who focus on negative liberty.

A collective doesn't need to be a world government where the "collective" is small cohort of people who do not represent the whole, its a populist movement.

Of course im a nazi, i mean i like anime.
Sieg heil xD
Seriously shouldnt we gas the kikes? Roflmao!
Stupid niggers am i right?! :DDD

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I hear you. Big corporations are cock-suckers too. The fundamental difference between state and corporation though is, one will hold a gun to you and demand you pay them, while the other is merely trying to sell you some toothpaste. If you say no to one, they will shake their fist at you, but if you say no to the other, they are taking you away to lock you in a metal box, so you can be a living example to others about what happens when you refuse to pay them.

Big corporations can play tricks to stifle competition, and bar entry. There is no magic wand to prevent this. The only real relief offered is that they are not indestructible. Without the help of government, they go bankrupt. In a free and healthy market, it is in the best interest of the business to keep their customers happy - to prevent them from going bankrupt. Netflix is making it hard for online streaming companies to start up, but if they pissed off their customers enough, people would unsubscribe and they would go tits-up. If they were picked by the government to be "essential to america", they would be indestructible, and you would be forced to ante up and pay them.

You might counter this by saying that with a strong and righteous government, this would not happen, but the problem with the government is that it has complete power over it's citizens. The problem with power is that it corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If you have a socialist system, you need a leader to make the decisions about what the state decides it wants to do. Benevolent dictators are hard to find. Even if you have a great ruler who is passionate and selfless (like hitler or lenin), odds are his reign will only last a short amount of time - If he doesn't go mad with power, his next appointee probably will, or the guy afterwards. This is why tyrannical governments fail, the mantle of power us unsustainable - it's a ticking timebomb waiting for a Joseph Stalin or Chairman Mao to take control of

Toppest kek

Representative democracy and constitution won't defend your values for shit and people should stop pretending that it does. If you want to know how with the current trend we are going, look at the Tumblr that is the future. An actual right wing government is the only thing that can preserve a white, traditional and normal society. If you are traditionalist in a sense that race exists and gender exists and all this recent faggotry irritates you, there is no other solution other than something like what nazi Germany, fascist Italy ect was. This ideology is not even race exclusionary in a sense that non whites can build themselves such states, but of course any such state would exclude other races or nationalities to certain percentage.

My issue with populism, as you call it, is it infringes of freedoms. I fundamentally think you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want to do, provided you aren't hurting anyone (aside from yourself). If a government becomes tyrannical, the only thing that can stop it is a bloody revolution. If a company becomes tyrannical, it can be defeated if everyone stops paying for it. Both systems offer the same public services, but one gives you way more freedom and liberty, without the same risk of it becoming North Korea

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But in Ancapistan corporations have guns too. At least with government you may have a "public contract" in a constitution or similar document. While it is not infallible and bad actors may arise, they are much more limited in their ability to do so. Corporations have no such limitations and without laws to prevent such situations, they will inevitably arise.

I think culture should be protected from a grass roots level. Focus on passing strong values onto your children, and surround your family with other families of like mind. Church is great for this, but I know a lot of Sup Forums people are atheists. Venerate the housewife, teach your kids to not do drugs and to get a good education. I don't think the government should mandate values for it's citizens - it should be up to you what kind of values you want to teach your children

>My issue with populism, as you call it, is it infringes of freedoms
>I fundamentally think you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want to do, provided you aren't hurting anyone (aside from yourself)

Positive freedom is enslavement to your desires, the fundamental difference between you and right wing collectivists is materialism in that you believe in the pursuit of baser desires as being an inherent right whereas collectivists see freedom these pursuits as being liberty. I don't want crackheads, i don't want prostitutes, i don't want *insert bad thing*. Someone hurting themselves is also something i do not want because this harms the collective and the individual at the same time.

>if a company become tyrannical people can stop investing in it
>he thinks its that simple to dethrone power

I'm a fascist, and you should be too

Gas yourselves.

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>I think culture should be protected from a grass roots level. Focus on passing strong values onto your children, and surround your family with other families of like mind
Hmmm kinda hard when you are surrounded with media and teaching that is not regulated by government with tradition in mind.
>I don't think the government should mandate values for it's citizens - it should be up to you what kind of values you want to teach your children
Considering that something like hollywood and music industry make more money than small countries, I would be okay with prohibiting distribution of such garbage because in no way a one man or a family can fight such thing, and don't forget your faggy NGO pushing faggot agenda. "its okay that someone distributes propaganda with their millions as long as its not a government :))))"

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>he thinks there are any legal limitations to the (((superrich)))

>freedom these pursuits as being liberty.

*Freedom from

Corporations will suffer push-back from society if they wage war on citizens. War is bloody and costly, plus a well equipped civilian militia will deter violence from businesses. I understand your point, but I don't think it is inevitable.

I understand you find crackheads and bums to be repulsive, but I believe social darwinism will eliminate them if the government programs disappear. With a healthy economy, they would have the opportunity to lift themselves out of poverty, and if they are not interested in that, they can starve.
>he thinks its that simple to dethrone power
It is that simple for a business. If they have no revenue, they go out of business. A business with no income will collapse. Big companies collapse all the time, it is only when the government props them up that they get really crooked - they get a sense of invincibility. They no longer care about satisfying their customers because they no longer have to. They are invincible.

That media you hate is propped up by the government. They are another shining example of a big corporation controlled by the zionists. This would be a non issue without the power of government, because they would have went out of business a long time ago.
>your faggy NGO pushing faggot agenda
kek why so mad Bjorn?

Nazism is an distinct ideology.
Being patriotic and a nationalist doesnt make you a nazi.
But, it is close to socialism from one side and to nazism from another side.

>I understand you find crackheads and bums to be repulsive,

Nothing wrong with being unemployed inherently if you're looking to get back onto your feet. Crackheads need to go.

>Social darwinism will elimate bums because they all need welfare to survive

As long as their are women on earth there will be endless amounts of charities for the homeless and i don't want to kill homeless people just for not having a job.

>they would have the ability to lift themselves out of poverty

There is a finite amount of jobs in the world, homeless people deserve some basic rights.

>implying companies won't form massive unions that eventually collect enough arms to form massive private entities that periodically go to war with each other over collective interests again

go worship your kike hero Ayn Rand you cuck.

NatSoc is the future

This.

>That media you hate is propped up by the government
How the fuck did you come to that conclusion? That is only the case if lefties in power, and strong right wing government can actually prevent that. Any proof that right wing government would implement something that I hate? Historically this never happened, I pretty much agree with everything that the Nazis believed.
>This would be a non issue without the power of government
Without power of government there would be no effective way to organize for defense against invaders, raiders, road building ect. Please lecture me how society without government (a thing that has never existed or was so utterly destroyed that we don't even know about it) is superior to strong right wing government in such cases.
>kek why so mad Bjorn?
What is that supposed to mean? Are you ignoring powerful rich people who push their multicultural agenda with millions of dollars, or did you think your shitty joke was actually funny outside of your head?

I'm caught in a satirical worm hole.

lewd

You answer quick because I am leaving in 10 mins

you should*

Liberal here
I can't believe that Sup Forums have so many actual racists and nazis. I uses to believe that theres no such people in 2017. I still think that this is all a big joke.

I'm not advocating killing homeless people, but if they won't contribute to society, they should be feeding the worms. I don't buy into the "limited amount of jobs" idea. If you have a brain and a body, you can find something to do to make money. Crackheads should be left alone to kill themselves. Cut all government handouts. If people want to create private charities, then they should be allowed to waste their money on lowlifes, but they should not be the burden of society

>companies form massive unions that eventually collect enough arms to form massive private entities that periodically go to war with each other over collective interests
It's simple, we outlaw this. There are still laws in Ancapistan, and people can vote on what laws shall be enforced.

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>That is only the case if lefties in power, and strong right wing government can actually prevent that.
Bullshit, the left/right paradigm is created by the zionists who control the government. They are two puppets being controlled by the same puppet-master. The international jewish elite.
>Without power of government there would be no effective way to organize for defense against invaders, raiders, road building
All of that can be privatized. You think only someone with a city badge can fix a road? Any jackass with a bag of cement and a wheel-barrel can fix a bloody road! You can privatize everything - and it will be cheaper, more efficient, under budget and ahead of schedule.

so you are aware of the international financial jewish elite.

then you go advocate privatization of everything, meaning such jewish elite can then buy all your shit with their unlimited supply of bogus money.

makes sense... to a kike

>Bullshit, the left/right paradigm is created by the zionists who control the government. They are two puppets being controlled by the same puppet-master. The international jewish elite.
Yea? Explain how Jews controlled Hitler, I will be at the gym, you have more than a hour so don't rush
>All of that can be privatized. You think only someone with a city badge can fix a road? Any jackass with a bag of cement and a wheel-barrel can fix a bloody road! You can privatize everything - and it will be cheaper, more efficient, under budget and ahead of schedule.
Can you actually point to good, efficient libertarian societies that don't exist in your LARP?v Otherwise its just a theory that is more laughable than Communism.

If the jews no longer have a government to act as their cartel, they no longer have power. They are just big nosed men with money. They can't create policies, control media, push agendas. They are neutered. The jew hates uncircumcised capitalism, because fierce competition makes them vulnerable to being out-competed. If you take their power away, they can only survive through merit.

>Explain how Jews controlled Hitler
They controlled the rest of the world, so it didn't matter if they controlled him or not. Why do you think the whole world decided to go to war with Germany? It was the jews whomst made that happen
>Can you actually point to good, efficient libertarian society?
The USA in the 1800s was a libertarian society by in large. It was unregulated capitalism, and it shot the USA into super-power status rapidly. Fierce free-market competition breeds massive amounts of innovation, raising the quality of life for it's citizens

so there are no banks on your ancap society?

>The USA in the 1800s was a libertarian society by in large. It was unregulated capitalism, and it shot the USA into super-power status rapidly. Fierce free-market competition breeds massive amounts of innovation, raising the quality of life for it's citizens

Until huge monopolies/corporations were formed by the result of free market competition. Its the logical conclusion of it. Then you are no longer able to compete against them, government or not. With govt you have a chance if they regulate them, without it society would then turn into wage slavery for these corps, and they'd rule as a plutocracy.

>If the jews no longer have a government to act as their cartel, they no longer have power.

The jews never had only the government as their cartel they had only their industries and the private entities they hired to represent them. When you disband the government in favor of privatization it will simply change power from one jew to the next.

>implying there is a infinite amount of jobs

[citation needed]

>social darwinism only works on an individual basis

Collectives are more eugenic and more successful at having larger amounts of offspring and thus present an evolutionary advantage.

This thread basically exposes all of the newfag redditors trying to convert Sup Forums to a liberal faggot board. Get the fuck out to reddit, we dont want your cancer and "anti-racism" faggotry here
>"S-SHILL DETECTED RIGHT CENTIPEDES HAHA"

libertarianism =/= liberalism

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Localized banks, with currency backed by precious metals.

Those are statist brainwashing points. Regulations hurt progress. Free market doesn't breed monopolies, intervention breeds monopolies. Regulation creates huge corporations, because the regulations create barriers that ban the "small fish" from entering the market

You're too far down the rabbit hole to save brother. I pray for your redemption. Collectivization is a jewish psy-op that you have fallen for. Hook line and sinker :^(

>You're too far down the rabbit hole to save brother. I pray for your redemption. Collectivization is a jewish psy-op that you have fallen for. Hook line and sinker :^(

Collectivism existed before jew even entered europe. Your idealogy did not

>libertarianism =/= liberalism

It is based on materialistic enlightentment ideals so yes in a sense it is liberalism. Capitalism is inherently left wing

Also you're doing that thing again where you meme post to save your own ego rather than confront points

>They controlled the rest of the world, so it didn't matter if they controlled him or not
So you are saying that an actual right wing government is not controlled by Jews. Well thank you for admitting that I am right.
>Why do you think the whole world decided to go to war with Germany
He also pissed off a lot of people
>The USA in the 1800s was a libertarian society by in large
LMAO, no it was not. Stop being fucking retarded, you know it was not...
>and it shot the USA into super-power status rapidly
The reason why USA is super-power is because it had no one relevant to challenge it on its mainland, it acquired huge resources from bunch of unorganized (ge I wonder who else is unorganized) brown people who. Had Germany been their neighbor USA would have been German lebensraum.
>Fierce free-market competition breeds massive amounts of innovation, raising the quality of life for it's citizens
Who could have had massive amounts of innovation and authoritarian government in early 20 century hmmm?

How do libertarians deal with cyclical unemployment and the effects this would have on both an economy and the country as a whole?

Free market commerce is literally the oldest form of trade to exist. A fish merchant trades a fish for a piece of firewood. That's free market capitalism, you retard

Hahaha I hope you're trolling. The left/right spectrum is literally a jewish myth to divide and conquer. The only spectrum is authoritarian vs libertarian. Less vs more government.

I didn't admit you were right, I was playing the "let's play along with that idea" game. Hitler may or may not have been, we will never truly know. What we do know is the jews won.

>The USA in the 1800s was a libertarian society - LMAO, no it was not. Stop being fucking retarded, you know it was not...
I don't know why I waste my time trying to debate with you people. It WAS free market capitalism. If you don't believe that is libertarianism, provide a counter argument, don't just go "lmao no it wasn't hurr durr"

It's like arguing with elementary school kids

To be honest, if you are a working man, and you don't have savings in the bank, you are an idiot. Jobs in a capitalist society are plentiful, so the people who get laid off would be re-hired in another position.

"cyclical unemployment" wouldn't be widespread. What evidence do you have that this would be the case?

>Hitler may or may not have been
Maybe in your demented mind, but in reality he was absolutely not. Lets not pretend that there are many people that believe that Hitler was Jew puppet.
>If you don't believe that is libertarianism
It had government, and you already established in your mind that government is inherently Jewish
>It's like arguing with elementary school kids
I am pretty sure that everyone in this thread agrees with me that you are either trolling or just regular retard. It does not matter, your shitpost just makes Libertards look bad.

>The left/right spectrum is literally a jewish myth to divide and conquer. The only spectrum is authoritarian vs libertarian. Less vs more government.
>lets replace the colloquial term for left vs right with another dichotomy which is negative vs positive liberty

topkek lolbertarian intellectuals. The actual dichotomy that is most consisiten amonsgt self described people on the left vs right is hierarchy vs non hierarchy based ideologies Yours is based on hierarchy and ideologies that came out of the Enlightenment as a revolutionary idea

>Free market commerce is literally the oldest form of trade to exist. A fish merchant trades a fish for a piece of firewood. That's free market capitalism, you retard

Except that didn't happen... and tribes competed with other collective tribes by not trading with them and instead replacing them... and what most civilizations that engaged in this behavior collapsed after internal struggles created by an inherently expansionistic ideology... so when did you drop out of high school buddy? I mean your entire form of intellectualism has been shit flinging and meme posting so i guess that makes you more intelligent than most libertarians but still...

Alright, I've been teaching you kiddies long enough. Enjoy your boot-licking circle-jerk, NutSac

Peace out

JOKES ON YOU. I AM ANARCHO-NATIONAL-SOCIALIST!

>Nazi's
retard.