How secular are the Muslims in Europe? Do they tend to become more secular over time? If so...

How secular are the Muslims in Europe? Do they tend to become more secular over time? If so, will Islamization be less of a problem than is predicted?

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They're not secular, on average they're much more religious than the ones that stay home. Poorer and with a thicker criminal file too. Just compare the North Africans in Morocco vs the ones that moved to Europe.

>How secular are the Muslims in Europe?
I've never met a secular muslim female in the UK, they're all hard line islamist hijab wearing property of their fathers brothers or husbands.

>will Islamization be less of a problem than is predicted?
The younger generation are more extreme than their parents so no it gets worse rather than better.

Wrong.

Lower class or social milieu muslims are definitely very conservative, but most wealthy muslims are incredibly liberal and hedonistic, only when they "have to marry" is when they revert back to their traditional values.

Its pretty much the same general trend for all ethnic groups. The higher the social standing, the more liberal you get.

And who usually migrates to Europe? The bottom of the barrel of any given shithole trying to escape poverty and/or criminal past. The religious nutjobs.

Muslims in the West are clearly taking two directions.

>Radicalize

>Give up the core values of islam


Most of them enjoy scantily clad women, with big tits and like pron and video games.

The main issue is the crime rate which is exceedingly high.

Overall, they are getting more secular, which many still becoming more radical.

Yes, but because saying this would be "racist", our governments cuck every single time .. exasperating.

Bump for education

i dont give a fuck all give a shit about is bullet between eyes of every goatfucker

I love it how since yesterday you french anons started to bend over more and more to accept your current situation LOL

If Europe had a well planned immigration policy both sides would win. No insecurity nor shit-behaving apes in Europe, cultural and academic improvement for elites in third world countries.

But of course that is not the case.

Lower class or social milieu muslims are definitely very conservative

Hahah, Yeah sure. You don't know what you're talking about.

It a mixed bag.
The ones that worked their asses off and manged to have some success in life tend to be okay.
The ones that are stuck in low education/low income because of whatever bullshit excuse tend to be even worse mudslimes than the ones in the allready shitty mudslime-counries they crawled forth from.

It depends greatly on where they're from and why they fled. Low-income families from poor countries tend to be more religious. Political refugees and academics tend to be less religious. Iranians are probably the most secular (and the most successful) immigrant group we have received in Sweden. Somalians are probably the most religious group, at least when it comes to customs.

A vast majority of Muslims coming to Europe are more secular after a few years than the average in their home countries.

In the UK they inherit the worst of both cultures, they are poor and ugly with low IQs so they can only ascend to chav, and they're also muslim so they retain that weird arrogance that muslims have. They are just so unlikeable. They break the rules of islam by smoking and drinking and taking drugs, but they also seem like autistic virgins with psychosis so they think gang rape is just fine.

I think the issue here is wealth/education, and not religion necessarily.
I've got several muslims/black/whatever friends, but since we're all from a very educated and very rich background, there's no problem with it whatsoever. At most the muslims won't eat pork, drink alcohol and will do their Ramadan once a year, but that's it. They don't even go to mosque and are completely oppoded to extremists, even more than the average non-muslim, since it gives them a bad name.
The richer/more educated, the fewer problems with fundamentalism you'll have.
In the other hand, if you're poor, you'll try to find refuge in what gives you "power". In their case, religion, which in turn will drive them to extremism, and/or crime.

Basically, with the rich, absolutely not, with the poor, it is a possibility.

>How secular are the Muslims in Europe?

Seeing as how they pray in the streets everyday, I would say not very.

>How secular are the Muslims in Europe?
Depends on who you mean.

Albanians are fairly secular. Turks and Pakis though? It gets worse with time because Europe has de facto criminalized nationalism meaning there's no secular alternative to religion to build an encompassing identity.


Civic nationalism is poor, but a total lack of nationalism KILLS.

>I only listen to Breitbart and Foxnews

Glad you're still with us Ameribro.

I hope this is a joke.

All of the UKs many suicide bombers are 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants.

They literally become more dangerous over time. Their parents may have fled the islamic revolution, or come for economic reasons. Those people are quite often grateful, and in particular those feeling the revolutions in the 60s and 70s were often educated types.

Their children and the children of those who came later (the less well educated etc) are the ones enriching us with street beheadings, bus bombs, train bombs, and other stuff.

Basically as each generation is produced they become more radicalised due to forgetting their own religions and countries of ethnic origin were full of subhuman pieces of shit.

Doesn't matter if secular or not. Muslims and humans do not mix.

Damn, I'd plow dat ass though.

>I only listen to Breitbart and Foxnews
>implying

My assessment is just based on observation.

Regardless of how secular they are, you have to still deal with ethnic loyalties, the effects of their social structure, and cultural barriers. Religion is only one part of the problem of integration (if that is the main concern here).

It would seem that if these closed communities form it gets worse not better.

They tend to adopt a syncretic mix of American nigger culture and sincere Islam.

They do become more secular. it's estimated that about 50% of muslims don't join an islam indoctrination station in sweden. This does not mean much in reality, all the islamic indoctrination stations in sweden support fundamentalism to some level. Islam is a cancer upon this earth, fundamentalism is extremely destructive. Remove islam.

Oh yes, that's surprisingly accurate. They love being poor thugs.

Which is really ironic because most arabs hate USA and niggers.

This

Migration in western European countries fails because most of them enter up in muslim ghetto's and can just claim benefits and welfare making them able to live out their entire lives without being exposed to the culture of host nation

post moar arab qts pls

Yeah, it's a weird dynamic.

That's also an unfortunate ID you got there.

> French people still no less suicidal and cowardly.

>How secular are the Muslims in Europe?
They aren't. Just look at the Turkish referendum results: German turks are far worse than turks in turkey

On the observation that you do all the way from the US through what? Alt-right media? Man, lemme tell you how you contry behaves now.

>On the observation that you do all the way from the US through what? Alt-right media?

It's as if you're not aware that social media exists. And no, social media does not have a bias. All you have to do is watch a youtube video of what it's like walking an average day in France.

Incredibly secular. The poor ones not very much but the middle class or people who just don't live in commie blocks full of other Muslims are not very religious.

Is she arab?
>tfw you have the same nose

gita hadizadeh

>the middle class or people who just don't live in commie blocks full of other Muslims are not very religious.
In other words the minority of a minority.

W pretty much are getting the bottom of the bottom,the ones without any education who dont want to work and only want to get free gibs...you guys tend go get the more educated and richer who wont chimp out as frenquently as theese pieces of shit were getting

I think she's persian

In Balkans, they seem to be pretty moderate. In the northern Balkans (Croatia and Slovenia) those, who consider themselves "true" Muslims seem to have almost completely integrated as they have lived there for more generations and don't come from Arab countries. I had some "Muslim" friends, who said they were Muslim, but ate pork, didn't wear burka, watching porn, etc.

They actually very secular, but Sup Forums and right wing retards like to create boogey men

Take Sadiq Khan for example.
>secular
>smokes weed
>listens to drum & bass
>used to be garage dj
doesn't demand women to wear hoodies and maks
>saving london transport
>loved by everyone

Yet retard britain first would rather say that Sadiq and his muslim brothers like Anjem Choudary

...

persian

>social media does not have a bias
Everything, everyone, has a bias. US media mostly consist of niggers talking using emojis, girls talking using nigger emojis and niggers doing nigger shit. It seems to me that the vast majority of the US is a nigger-infested shithole where even whites embrace that sort of culture, so according to you this must be the real america.

> Here we didn't have ANY mudslimes 15 years ago.
> Then the first came and they kept mostly to themselves, females didn't cover their hair as it make them look as if they were in some sort of carnaval dress.
> Men were as peaceful as it gets, like a scared dog licking the palm of your hand, they would say yes to everything and kept looking at their shoes when talking to any Spaniard.
> them more started to come, and then more, and then more.
> But the real tangible change came when they started opening mosques. That changed everything overnight.
> Suddenly women started to cover their heads
> They all stopped relating to spaniards
> Man started to dress in weird traditional mudslime clothing.
> Long beards
> Started demanding all kinds of shit, halal food in school (which they don't pay), mudslime classes, free spaces to open more mosques.
> The list never ends, the more they give them the worst everything is.
> Now they are starting to ask separate classes for boys and girls in public schools. And a ton of other shit, which of course includes more free food, more free money, more free housing and more free healthcare for them and all their families from mudlistan.
> It's all organized from the mosques, everyone that has worked with them can confirm you that.
> We should never had let them in
> It never gets better, NEVER. I can't name you one single town where it's gotten easier. No one can.

* social media

Here in Sweden most of they're secular. They become more and more secular over time/each generation.

>Overall, they are getting more secular, which many still becoming more radical.

So you think it's a tie?
Can't really judge because of lack of carpet pilots.

Tfw these are never the types of muslims that immigrate to Europe.

Look at results of Erdogan's referendum.
Majority of roaches in europe supported him and voted yes to him becoming defacto sultan.
His party is islamic religious and he himself is member of the muslim brotherhood.

>Do they tend to become more secular over time?
Absolutely not.
While the fists generation did, folowing generations became more religious and more fundamentalist again over time.

>social media does not have a bias
>i have no idea what filter bubbles are
Social media is probably the worst for getting unbiased representation of the world you dumb faggot.

too bad indeed

It doesn't matter. They don't belong here.

Incredible bullshit.
Were do you live? In the fucking Schwarzwald?
They are not secular up to the the middle class, and the ones that are more or less secular are still turkish/arab fundamentalists.

This.

Well, there was this Turkish referendum to give Erdogan, the head of the Islamoc party, an uncostitutional amount of power.
The Turkish diaspora in the Netherlands were allowed to vote as well, as they keep their Turkish nationality.
The results were an overwhelming 71% in favour and 29% against, which is far higher than the 50/50 split in Turkey itself.
The turnout was relatively low though, only 45%.
Make of these numbers what you will.

>ctrl+f "Bosnia"
>0 results

It's almost as if Sup Forums employs confirmation bias.

They're not and they tend to become more radicalized.

Not very secular.

2nd and 3rd gen turks can be somewhat secular, but I have a hunch that many are not. And even if they are secular they have very nationalistic tendencies, which is fucking awkward when you have to share country and buildingblock with them.

There are a few, but you definetely see more arabic women wearing headrags than without.

Muslim males drink and whore all they want, but they are not secular, just practicing their religion which consists mostly of doublethink and belitteling old and poor people on the streets.

>WE WUZ

In my experience 99% don't do much beside not eat pork. They still claim to be Muslim even though they are very sinful. I think that being exposed to all kinds of sins for a long time has created autism in the West, which prevents many sins. Muslims don't have the internal inhibitions that autists have. They can commit a ton of sins and not suffer from it and they have a strong desire to commit all kinds of sins. The minute you remove the authoritarian laws of Muslim countries they all become obsessed with committing every sin imaginable.

shitskins: Gentiles
autists: Jews, God's chosen people

Have your "Yugoslavia 2.0", Europe.

Hurry the fuck up.

>all this "poverty creates all problems"
Fucking commies.
People are not just "got's" or got-not's".
And even if they were, there will always be the "poor" and they will always make up most of the population.
This is the kind of problem that you can't just explain away and just wait in good faith for the mudslimes to de-islamify themselves. We'll be dead or in reservation long before that happens.

>frenchies are naive enough to believe in "well planned immigration"
>cause the government has a history of "planning well" and not being easy to corrupt

A pipedream, frog.
Have a look at america and look how wel that "planned immigration" pans out.

depends on what they are attempting to achieve; will the migration have it's limit and what attitude the countries take towards Muslims in it.

But regardless of any of it. Islam will die out. Or it will have to go trough intense reformation.
Like any dogmatic belief system will in the near future.

Even though Bosnia as a country is secular, Bosniaks are becoming increasingly less secular. Rich Arabs coming to fuck their women and build mosques isn't helping either.

Honestly don't give a shit what they believe, fail a paper bag test you're out.

T*rks in Germany voted yes in the referandum more than the ones here did, and generally are much more supportive of AKP.

Well we can look at Germany to see how well "planned removal" works out.

> Going to Morocco, Tanger & Rabat. Expects shithole.
Far away of being that. Some girls with no hijabs.
>Comeback to Spain, every muslim girl with that shit.
Reminder, we're getting the dumber people of their countries.

this is not true.
I am Serb, living in Serb part of Bosnia.
But even in the most Muslim dense parts of Bosnia, your average "bosniaks" actualy does not want to follow Islam in any meaningful way.
It is "bosniak" elites, along side with their need to indemnify with something common among them self. that is the issue.
They basically have this public face where they shill for Islam, and private "i wanna eat that pig so hard" kind of face.

When ever u actualy meet some Muslim, it takes around 32 minutes for him to show his real face.

How can you distinguish between a morrocan and a Spaniard if she doesn't wear a veil ?
I'm genuinely wondering

Europe isn't Europe anymore. Stop calling it that

KKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKK

Would Sup Forums hate me for wanting to racemix with that Muzzie chick?

That's easy, they tend to be darker and their noses are a mix with negroid but I know some of them (light skin) that can pass as a spaniard. For the guys it's almost impossible due their curly hair.

I spent a year in Spain, the city i was in had quite a big morrocan minority, still i wasn't able to telle them apart from Spaniard if they spoke Spanish and didn't wore Arabic clothes.
I've met plenty of "pure" Spaniard that look more Arabic than my Tunisian barber.

Just forget all his family ties to extremists LOL he likes drum and bass XD

Get aids you prick.

Europe has a short memory. Islam DOES NOT.
youtube.com/watch?v=Uvq59FPgx88

The only "pure" spaniards are basques and some people of Aragon, the rest are mixed with italians (the majority), greeks, middle easterns, north africans and kikes. So yeah I know some guys that look like moors or kikes.

It actually is.
There was a study conducted by some german university that found out that iirc about 53% of muslims put the sharia above the german law.
Depends a lot where they grew up i think. Urban muslims are usually more radical than rural muslims.

I'd secularize her butthole

My mom is a ex muslim and my dad is a christian. My Muslim grandpa was very secular, rarely prayed, he gambled, drink alcohol.smoked and ate pork. Than when he got older he became very religious, started praying a lot, stopped drinking alcohol, smoking and eating pork. Don't know why he changed.

Best description of UK Muslims I have read. Basically, nasty, mean, petty, aggressive, rude, bigoted, racist, fascistic, dumb, materialistic, hedonistic, low IQ, the worst of the worst

Except for the fact that she's from Oslo?

Shitskins becoming more radicalized and growing by massive numbers in Europe doesn't look good at all for progressives. Is this some sort of suicidal pact or what
Do the elites have any backup plan of social engineering like the injection and shilling of utter degeneracy and apathy in the islamic world or what
Is it all a plot to lure all white, male europeans into WW3 with unseen rage so only white cucks and """secularized""" foreigners remain in play after the meat grinder demands its toll or what

>I can't wake up

Is it Eurabia now?

>that photo

Holy fuck, some truth for once.