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Was it really that bad?

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The only people who benefitted from this system were people who did not want to work and people in high positions.

It was even worse. In Moscow it was at least possible to buy meat, unlike the rest of the country.

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>Was it really that bad?

Adler, N., Victims of Soviet Terror, 1993 cites these: Chistyakovoy, V. (Neva, no.10): 20 million killed during the 1930s. Dyadkin, I.G. (Demograficheskaya statistika neyestestvennoy smertnosti v SSSR 1918-1956 ): 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" for the USSR overall, with 34 to 49 million under Stalin.

>spending hours in wiating lines to buy food and fuckin toilet paper
why would you even ask?

Yes

topjej
>Fucking Marxists

Would be certainly better if Instead of Warsaw Pact ruskies would concentrate on themselves, but the system was doomed anyway.

Still better than what jewberals brought afterwards.

No.
It had the values that many Sup Forumsacks believe.
It's the western communists (read- regressives) that give it a bad name, as USSR has nothnig to do with their values.

Just some things USSR had:
-strict immigration controls (both from the inside and inside between the different regions)
-love for country
-torture and killing of degenerates

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That was only during the 80's and 90's (the full free market period)

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Nah, it was pretty good, of course there were plenty of shit, but it was much better than neo-liberal capitalism of 90`s, i mean we have returned to RSFSR level at the end of 00`s, some countries like Ukraine are still worse, when it was in USSR

If it was "really that bad" there won`t be Zyuganov in 96, and rigged by CIA election

>USSR
>bad
pick one

ITT, russians that don't know anything about economics

Varlam Shalamov

Russian author who was imprisoned in the Gulag for more than 20 years. He wrote the celebrated Kolyma Tales, a series of short stories based on his life in the Gulag.

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"Each time they brought in the soup... it made us all want to cry. We were ready to cry for fear that the soup would be thin. And when a miracle occurred and the soup was thick we couldn’t believe it and ate it as slowly as possible. But even with thick soup in a warm stomach there remained a sucking pain; we’d been hungry for too long. All human emotions—love, friendship, envy, concern for one’s fellow man, compassion, longing for fame, honesty—had left us with the flesh that had melted from our bodies...“
V.T. Shalamov, “Dry Rations,” from Kolyma Tales.

>Was it really that bad?

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We saw how your libertarian believes worked out during the 90's.
You don't even have to have a high school degree to see jow bad it was.

Baraki (Barracks)


“The Gulag was conceived in order to transform human matter into a docile, exhausted, ill-smelling mass of individuals living only for themselves and thinking of nothing else but how to appease the constant torture of hunger, living in the instant, concerned with nothing apart from evading kicks, cold and ill treatment.”

Drawing and memoir excerpt by Jacques Rossi.

Underrated

And you don't know anything about how life actually was in the USSR aside from what your fake news fed you. The USSR was more traditionalist than your apparently "Christian" country was at the same time. In the USSR, the family unit was celebrated at the same time where your country was celebrating that swinging degeneracy, for instance.

>was asked about my opinion on USSR
>said something what (You) don`t like

HURRRDURRR MUH ECONOMICS MUH PRIVATE PROPERTY

Even worse than it's usually depicted.

unironically defending a system as flawed as communism because it's "not as bad" as another flawed, theoretical economic system.

>millions of orphans
>family unit was celebrated

You fucking imbecile, stop blaming libertarian principles for 90s collapse. It weren't libertarians who have built an economy that was so inefficient that the moment the oil prices went down everything collapsed.

>make up some bullshit
>hurr durr see im right

Quoting something I never said is not an argument.

Nah, communism is like super cool bro. We all get free shit. My liberal arts professor told me

>Vasili Blokhin was a Soviet Major-General who served as the chief executioner of the Stalinist NKVD under the administrations of Yagoda, Yezhov and Beria (after their respective falls from power, Yagoda and Yezhov were both ironically executed by Blokhin himself)

>He is recorded as having executed at least 40,000 prisoners personally, by his own hand, including his killing of over 7,000 Polish prisoners of war in a single incident, only pausing to eat and sleep, during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940

>Blokhin initially decided on a minimum quota of at least 300 executions per night, but sometimes exceeding 700; and engineered an efficient system in which the prisoners were individually led to a small room. Blokhin would stand waiting behind the door in his executioner garb: a leather butcher's apron, leather hat, and shoulder-length leather gloves. Then, without a hearing, the reading of a sentence or any other formalities, each prisoner was brought in and restrained by guards while Blokhin shot them once in the base of the skull with a German Walther Model 2 .25 ACP pistol. He had brought an entire briefcase full of his own Walther pistols, since he did not trust the reliability of the Soviet TT-30 for the frequent, heavy use he intended.

>Each night, 25 trenches, measuring eight to ten meters long, were dug to hold the night's corpses, and each trench was covered up before dawn

>Blokhin was forcibly retired in 1953 following Stalin's death that March. After Beria's fall from power in June of the same year, Blokhin's rank was stripped from him. He reportedly sank into alcoholism, went insane, and shot himself in the mouth with his ceremonial service revolver.

Rationing allowances in the USSR in the 80s

1. Sausages (500 g a month)

2. Sugar

3. Vodka (1 litre per month)

4. Soap

5. Cigarettes (half a pack a day)

6. Salt

7. Butter (300 g a month)

8. Grains

Other items:

Mayonnaise

Matches (5 packs per month)

>8 posts by this ID
>nothing but shitty memes

wow, really makes you think

Nope, it was beginning of 80's, before Gorbachev. Full-blown Socialism. I remember having to stand in lines for butter or sugar with the entire family as a kid because they only gave 2 packs per person. Dad had a possibility to travel to Moscow, so he can buy meat and sausages there.

Early 90's were even worse because of hyperinflation and people didn't get paid at all for months, but at least foreign foodstuffs started appearing en masse in the coop shops. Then we left that shithole for the Vaterland.

>family unit was celebrated
You have literally swallowed communist propaganda. At least people at the time didn't have access to any other information, but you're just retarded.

You are a fucking idiot if you think places like Ireland had weak family values.

The average woman in Russia had had six abortions by the time it collapsed.

>He personally shot many famous persons, including Mikhail Tukhachevsky, Ion Yakir, Uborevich, I. Smilga, L. Karakhan, Kviring, Chubar, A. Kosarev, Kosior, N. Yezhov, Frinovsky, Mikhail Koltsov, Isaak Babel, Vsevolod Meyerhold

what a great man, based as fuck

The Hololololodomor

Yes.

Stop making these threads.

yes you fucking commie
fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

>Rationing allowances in the USSR in the 80s
>no bread

try better leprechaun-nigger

>essential food items are once per month
>but cigarette is everyday

It's like when Reagan had heroines go around in the hood to kill the niggers

Why do I have a feeling that the russians here are just proxy?

> binge drinking and assfucking literally cultural basis
> not degenerate

>Two times as much vodka than meat.

Seems legit

THEY LET THEIR OWN PEOPLE STARVE TO DEATH

It was a nearly seventy year old country. It had ups and downs, it had good things, bad things, and ugly things.

It was a superpower, literally impossible for some people not to be able to carve out a decent living.

Yes, it really was, and yes still is, and yes still will be.
t. Russian American who escaped that shithole during dirty commie times and looking forward to watching that shithole collapse economically again.

>Why do I have a feeling that the russians here are just proxy?

Because you`re дoлбoёб

consider this

youtube.com/watch?v=pxPqfD_7s3g

Yes, but Russia can't really into the free market because of it's geography, so capitalism wouldn't have been the answer.

The Russian Empire was the true redpill, the October Revolution was a mistake. They should have gone along with the planned reforms to the Duma, not thrown it all out for a Jew-slave economic dystopia.

>reminder that the cornerstone of (((gommunism))) is literally dysgenics
"From each according to his ability to each according to his need" = subsidizing the weak and stupid by stealing as much as you can squeeze out of the best and brightest.

Sory a Polish girl told me:

Communist party members could buy foreign goods at special stores but not ordinary people.

Had friend whos' father was in the party

Friend had lego.

Friend loaned lego so her brother could play with it. Brother talked about it in school and why could he not have lego.

Both parents fired and whole family moved 200 KM away to work on collective farm and their gran who had lived with them was moved into a collective that was in another zone so they had to apply for internal passports to see her ,

Because a kid played with lego.

She also remembered the meat shop ration woman as being a complete bitch who would arbitrarily deny people their meat ration unless they brought a 'gift'

The USSR was a fucking abomination, not surprising 1984 was banned there.

fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
i dont think eating your own children is a very good "family value"

they were hohols, lol who cares about them

Let's see. You had to get in line to get a car. You had to get in line to get a VCR, And Not everybody had neither. You had to Save up your salary to buy some nice tasty fruits. You had to live around a bunch of Savage Muslims If you were stuck in one of the Muslim countries in the Soviet Union, like i was. Being white, This is a nightmare. Going to school every morning I had to lookout for those rats Roaming the streets Try to rob me a mess with me. But this was mostly a problem after school since everybody was going to school in the morning. This is why whenever I saw all those Bernie supporters supporting socialism, I couldn't believe how fucking pathetic most of them really were/are.

What exactly makes Russia great now? Curious. Their slav vodka culture?

>genocide is okay when we do it

>they were hohols, lol who cares about them

That's exactly why no one cares about Russians.

Exactly this is why my parents escaped with me from that shit hole, I literally cannot wait to watch that shithole collapse and suffer again. I do not take anyone serious that actually praises that shithole.

it is funny to hear from you, because no one cared when millions of leprechaun-niggers died in mid of XIXth century

What year?

1989, train across Brest with no passport
I love America

Very fitting

>train across Brest

oh look (((who))) is here

Nice google translate. I can speak Spanish btw.

Negro negro negro negro

What surprises me the most is that communism was still in control for many European countries not too long ago with many victims and primary sources giving you all the evidence as to why communism isn't a good idea, but it still has sheeps acting it's the final solution or something.

Maybe not for for -stan countries because they were Islamic boondocks, but for everyone else yes USSR was shit

t. expat balt

>it is funny to hear from you, because no one cared when millions of leprechaun-niggers died in mid of XIXth century


Again this is why Russia is so well loved. Thank you so much or sending guns to OIRA Marxist terrorists too. What a lovely place Russia ia

89 as well. I was baby. My parents were shot at by various border guards and dad has a bullet in his elbow from that journey. The soviet union collapsed on my birthday. We are all US citizens now and proud of it. Fuck Russia.

saved

Escaped Ukrainian Jews are bro tier

>Jews are bro tier

of course

I think it can be broken down to how hard USSR wanted to be perceived as a beacon for humanity on both cultural and economical level. In the Cold War era, I can understand the need for this kind of thinking,the application was so simple, yet it worked for years. Just bring idiotic tools from around the world who already have affiliations with your ideology, intoxicate them as soon as they hit the ground and show them what you want, not what they desire to see. After a year, they'll be 100% this is the greatest way of living when all they've been fed was the higher class way of life in the USSR, thinking everyone live like that here. You just have to send them back and wait for the good PR from journalists and critical thinkers around the world, rince and repeat.

Yes it is the reason That people hate communism these days. It had a great begining with Lenin but this human trash called Stalin (great man by the way) decided to fuck his shit up.

>jews
>bro-tier

Good goy

56 to 62 is 2/8 of the population and no one even notifce...

seems legit.

God damn you're resilient.

How can you defend communism when there are people who literally lived through it and they all unanimously say it sucked big time? Did (You) live in a country with a communist reign? If not you have no say in this.

I'm not sure lets ask those 50 mill-
Oops never mind.

>How can you defend communism when there are people who literally lived through it

i trust my parents and my grandfathers/grandmothers

Ostalgia
It's like people who like jail and prison because they can't hack it on their own

Same reason people want nazism thibeing it will solve their problems

The world would be a much better place if we wiped out hegel, marx and any of their descendants

>we beat the ebil nazis today
>much national pride, so gulag

Your dedushka and babushka are idiots
Who never got off the kalhoz and we're probably party memyers

You probably are some 17 year old gopnik neet or a shill

Read a book or fuck off before white terror becomes a thing

Communism
Ideas so great they are mandatory.

this is priceless

>Who never got off the kalhoz

Moй дeд был oфицepoм, бaбyшкa пpeпoдaвaлa в yнивepcитeт

>You probably are some 17 year old gopnik neet or a shill

25 years, not even gopnik

>white terror becomes a thing

wow much scary, because most of russian army respects soviet union, so as russian empire

Kek

Yet here you are, using American tech and American English on a American website on the American invented internet

If USSR was that bad as you believe, and government only knew how to kill its own people, how it is possible that USSR was restored and industrialized in record time after devastated civil war. Won WW2 against all europe. Won Space Race. Became world's most powerful state.
something doesn't add up in your narrative.
Facts says more, than myths from jews media which you parroting without thinking.

im for USSR stuff not that retarded bias ANTIFAR shit

Is this true?

yep

levada.ru/2016/12/05/grazhdane-sozhaleyut-o-raspade-sssr/
rg.ru/2016/12/05/opros-o-raspade-sssr-sozhaleiut-bolshe-poloviny-rossiian.html

So, nomenclautra, great classless society you have there

Instead of emulating what works you idolize a time when the worst of Russia ran things

Exactly. Look how many Russians prospered in the west and became great Americans

Maybe that's a sigh that Russian and communist society was seriously fucked

stolkholm syndrome

>iPad screenshot
Fuck