Molymeme says you shouldn't worry about looks in a girl, and claims that sexual attraction will developer over time in a committed relationship.
It's a hard pill to swallow for me. Is he right? My BS meter is tingling on this one. Feel like it's just his justification for marrying an ugly woman. Thoughts?
He's wrong.
Even if you marry a fucking supermodel, you will slowly lose interest in them sexually after a few years. Especially after they have kids.
You just have to work on it. That's why men used to have mistresses.
Finding one who isn't a complete cunt is far more challenging than finding a good looking one. So I tend to focus on that first.
I mean you might start to find some small things attractive, but I can promise you I will never begin to find a 700lb land whale attractive.
the truth is you will want to fuck other women regardless of who you marry. i think you should like your wife even though lust can fade, that's a more modern interpretation though, but when in rome.
He's wrong.
Even if you marry a fucking supermodel, you will slowly lose interest in them sexually after a few years. Especially after they have kids.
You just have to work on it. That's why men used to have mistresses.
He is right in one way though;
Sorry for the repeat post. I needed to last minute add some clarification.
Consider this
> Makeup
>Gym
Unless she's deformed in some way.
that's not the argument. he's saying you can marry a ugly girl and after a while you will just fuck her and be cool with it, which is 1/2 true. agree that attraction fades and also side chicks should be the social norm b/c it allows you to be satisfied with your plain wife sexually and get action on the sdie.
How can you listen to anything this leaf has to say? He seems to refuse to talk like a normal person and acts like a dramatic fruit loop.
They're pretty good here in Japan as far as that goes. It's the bodies that are a bit lacking. They have no asses to speak of and good-sized tits are somewhat rare.
I hate Molymeme but this is the first thing he's said that's accurate. as long as she isn't deformed or disfigured, she will be the hottest thing you ever experienced if you love each other and build a relationship
he isn't saying the sex is fire forever. he's saying you will end up sexually attracted to whoever you make a committment to like this. it just might not last
He is wrong.
>claims that sexual attraction will developer over time in a committed relationship
Might as well marry another man or a dog then.
Sounds like a true Canadian.
Also this.
You can fix a less than attractive woman up. Get her in the gym. Get her in the salon. Good make up and hair etc. If really hard up, go with surgery.
Trying to make an attractive woman who is also a horrid cunt less of a cunt is nearly impossible in this society.
Would you breed a misshapen horse? Or would you simply destroy it and breed a better horse?
Unless she has a quality you want in your children, don't settle.
I was dating a 10/10 doing international modelling for 2.5 years and slowly lost attraction to her. It's natural. now married to a 6-7/10 but she's not a dumb dumb like the 10/10 was. By her 30's 10/10's looks will start to fade and all I'll be left with is dumb dumb.
Find a girl who suits your personality and who will take care of you. Find someone that you will love to hang out with even if she washed her face with acid. You still have to be attracted to her obviously
1950s Don Draper-style degeneracy is completely anti-white race so I can only assume these are shill posts
LOL TOP KEK so desperately need white babies you will settle for poor genetics and ugly retarded white babies
>Taking dating advice from a libertarian autist
You're doing it wrong.
>biological attraction doesn't matter
devolution 101
He's not wrong. You begin to love your partners imperfections over the years. After babies there another layer to it.
>agree that attraction fades and also side chicks should be the social norm b/c it allows you to be satisfied with your plain wife sexually and get action on the sdie.
but how do we keep the women from fucking other men? as soon as it's a "social norm" to let men fuck other women, women will want to be massive whores and fuck other men. and feminism will tell us we have to let them because it'll be an exclusive male privilege
I can agree to an extent. I've dated some very attractive ladies who, over time, I started to see as very ugly due to their disgusting personalities. On the same hand, I've been friends with some pretty busted girls who I've grown to find very beautiful because they are genuinely happy and positive people.
I'm a fuckin' man and am drawn to pretty girls, but that shit has been my downfall. Pump 'em and dump 'em unless you've got more money than you know what to do with to keep them entertained.
He taught me about r and K so I have some trust in him. But yeah generally I don't listen to him anymore
nah, you just don't want to settle for a non-supermodel looking girl and are probably uglier than the shittiest potato in Ireland
Wrong af. Attraction matters. Good looking people are smart that's why you try to find a good looking mate.
>If you want to be happy
He is wrong. You can learn to love a person, but you cannot learn sexual attraction to a person.
That said, sexual attraction is not just about pure physical looks. Attitude, body language, personality, etc. all play a large part, so you can become sexually attracted to someone who doesn't fit the picture (if only because she rides you like her back ain't got no bone).
Molyneux is the King of Intellectualization.
Also this. The ideal is a younger woman you find attractive enough to give you a hard on and can get along with. All looks eventually fade.
>You can learn to love a person, but you cannot learn sexual attraction to a person.
This is correct.
>Good looking people are smart that's why you try to find a good looking mate.
hahahahaha
Do you honestly think biological evolution can have any kind of benefit in modern society?
Have you noticed what kind of people reproduce the most?
Isn't personality part of the attraction? If she's unwilling to perfect herself , when you're trying to help her , incentivize her etc. Then there's no point in hanging out with her.
Obviously if she has some preferences she should voice them too.
>He is wrong. You can learn to love a person, but you cannot learn sexual attraction to a person.
This is incorrect
Find that hard to believe. I've dated girls that I thought were just okay, and the sexual attraction (what little there was) simply disappeared much faster.
That said, unless you're a real legitimate Chad or a porn star, actual in-the-bedroom sexual attraction is hard to gauge. Some of the best sex I've ever had was with a woman whom I found mediocre, but was literally a former model that everyone in our peer group lusted after. I felt fully comfortable with her and she was technically super hot. Also my first long term girlfriend, who was a very mediocre Chinese girl. It was awesome because neither of us her embarrassed or intimidated etc.
I dated one other Asian girl, a westernized korean girl who looked like she'd come out of a porn video and was treated like a goddess by desperate betas, and the sex was fucked. She made you feel like she was doing your a favor by tolerating you. People said I was crazy when I broke up with her, but I literally found myself after about 6 months preferring to stay home and masturbate rather than go to her place.
He's wrong.
Even if you marry a fucking supermodel, you will slowly lose interest in them sexually after a few years. Especially after they have kids.
You just have to work on it. That's why men used to have mistresses.
Bad looks come from bad genes resulting in the same poor genes passing on the baby.
Irish girls are better looking than Americans now. Not as brown.
thanks, at least some people are not retarded here
as for your claim, it's usually a bit of both
she doesn't have to be 10/10, but you will probably not even think about socialising with a 1, so if she has no visual perks at all, she could be as sweet as honey and you would probably still be repelled
the answer is reproducing more than them, not giving up on biological attraction
Listened to a recent podcast at work the other day and he was saying how looks DO matter. Where'd you get this quote from?
From what I understand his stance is that attraction obviously matters, but it's just one factor, and values are very important as well.
True.
Although sometimes looks can be objectively not bad, but simply "not your thing". I see this as your genes telling you that her genes are not too compatible with yours.
You don't "get tired" of people, unless your relationship stagnates. You don't one day think, "I've seen this person's face enough now, we're done."
Don't listen to them, OP.
He's wrong.
Even if you marry a fucking supermodel, you will slowly lose interest in them sexually after a few years. Especially after they have kids.
You just have to work on it. That's why men used to have mistresses.
Sorry for the repeat post. I needed to last minute add some clarification
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>You don't "get tired" of people, unless your relationship stagnates. You don't one day think, "I've seen this person's face enough now, we're done."
This literally happens all the time.
>but how do we keep the women from fucking other men?
kek. by having a non degenerate society. shun single motherhood, don't give goveernmet handouts to single mothers. women don't really care if their husband cheats if he's a good husband and it's just sex.
In short term relationships, yes. Not if you've been in a committed relationship, and love someone else.
I have never cared what a girl looks like and I get more sexually attracted to a girl the closer we get emotionally
but then again I'm from the parallel universe of K-selected people who's parents are still married unlike everyone else on here who's an r-selected child of divorce who's been conditioned to think adult relationships are always short term
>Isn't personality part of the attraction?
Sexually?....Not reaaaalllllyyy. Although I suppose it helps. I mean, if a girl is hot and a complete cunt, I want to fuck her. If a girl is ugly as hell and really cool, I don't want to fuck her. You're always aiming for a good balance.
>trying to help her
An attractive woman with a bad personality is not going to view what you're doing as attraction user. She's just going to think you're controlling her and she knows she can literally line up a million other dudes to replace you and there is zero reason for her to change.
Honestly, it sounds gay as fuck, but the real reason to get married or have a long term relationship is to build a family. You should really be looking at it from that angle. Obviously you want a cool partner and someone you're into boning, but if it's marriage? The real central issue is making an economic partnership and raising children.
Most of the Chinese and even Greeks I grew up with looked at it this way. Hell, a fucking TON of the Greek chicks I knew let their husbands have side sluts (within limits) as long as he was bringing home mad bank and paying for her to stay at home looking after the house and raising healthy children and keeping her in nice clothes and holidays etc.
The Chinese weren't as much like that, but they were even more methodical when it came to choosing partners. They were literally plotting out grandkids and shit and how to raise them and where to send them to school etc.
You see them still married as old fucks with all their family around.
Meanwhile half the people I know (of British and Irish descent) are all divorced or in bitter childless relationships and never see each other because they're at work etc.
>women don't really care if their husband cheats if he's a good husband and it's just sex
that's because sex is accepted outside of marriage anyway
every woman that I know that cares about it would not be olay with it, rightfully so, I wouldn't want her to do it either
being a faggot is anti white race too so look in the mirror
sex with super hot chicks is generally like that, they act like they're doing you a favour, it's fucking acting. Best sex is with girls that find you super attractive because they are lusting af fuck and sucking your cock like it'll cure cancer, and you can really tell they're having the time of their life when you're pumping them which is just so much hotter.
Still happens all the time though, usually when you turn 29 or 39 or somesuch depressing number, and think "What am I doing wasting my life like this, I'm done with this person." Divorse statistics.
You're still a mongoloid retard because looks still fucking matter.
>Completely anti-white race
>Degeneracy
It's not. It's a necessity. Maybe if men had that escape valve and commitment to marrying a good woman who will raise their kids and look after the house and turn a blind eye to them needing to smack out a load once in awhile, we'd not be running around in a single mother led dystopian nightmare right now.
well if you want to judge yourself the same way you judge a woman what does that mean you think about yourself?
>He taught me about r and K so I have some trust in him.
Is that some kind of drug?
He's right in that hotness shouldn't be a requirement for a successful relationship. If anything, you want a plain waifu with slightly less SMV than you, men are better off marrying down.
Hot women are extremely high maintenance, lose their shit when they hit the wall and you'll grow tired of fucking her anyway while she'll still get plenty of attention from other men. It's a recipe for disaster.
he's right in that sexual attraction will develop over time but it's not like it doesn't matter at all. of course something has to click from the get go.
>escape valve
this. whores actually promote good marriages that are based on deeper values because sex is taken out of the calculation as it is accounted for.
t. someone who has never been in a relationship.
All relationships stagnate for a while, or do you plan on entertaining your waifu all your life?
ive definitely experienced this to some degree, where a girl would suddenly look much more attractive to me after doing or saying something i liked, but i dont know if it would be able to make a downright ugly woman attractive to me
K-selection and r-selection is a Molymeme misappropriated from describing the difference in breeding habits between Salmon and Bears. It's not used on humans.
The truth is, your missing some emotional connection because of something that happened in your youth so you're craved in finding that deep emotional bond. Most likely you missed out on love from your mum or dad (or both).
its true, if shes at least average looking
Throughout history, successful marriage was not built on romance or love but commitment. Our ancestors knew love was a fickle beast, and preferred arranged marriages for family stability and hence the welfare of society at large. Today, we are seeing the consequences of believing in love marriages and relationships. We have the lowest birth rates and single motherhood is the norm. Men and women are miserable and western civilisation is on the decline. Whilst cultures that have rejected notions of love marriages aren't killing themselves by low birth rates or single motherhood
You're really missing the context of the time. Back then everyone (particularly in Europe) lived far more decentralised. You lived among a chain of villages and everyone knew everyone. There were maybe a dozen possible candidates for you to pair with and as a teenager you would have pretty much figured which few you would most likely end up with. Family wealth had a lot more sway so factor in you most likely have to not include girls from families too much poorer or wealthier than your own. The chances are you'd end up marrying a 2nd or 3rd cousin.
False here's an example.
She's a beautiful woman right? but I find her extra attractive , because she appears too me disciplined, valuing traditional values , neat and collected.
Obviously I can't know if she is, because I didn't get to know her personally. But my expectation makes her seem more attractive.
Than a slut who's just been banged by a nigger.
If personality had nothing too do with attraction, you'd bang the slut right after the nigger,but you know that some of us won't they'll get negative boner.
You're not supposed to tell her "you're fat go to gymn bitch" user, you're supposed to ask her "coming with me to the gym?".
All your people look the same anyway, what are you complaining about? Become a Japanese Amish make 8+ children
For once, the truth spoken in France.
Molymeme is promoting dysgenics with this tripe.
Well, he is wrong. I used to fuck allot of fatties and ugly cunts back in my youth.
Never ever grew to be sexually attracted to any of them.
>She's a beautiful woman right?
No, she is only medicore. Women should not wear men's clothing, very ugly.
He's right and wrong. You'll develop sexual attraction to ugly girls if they have some other qualities that gets your dopamine going, so in that regard he's right. But it still won't beat out what's known as the biochemical eye. When the "love at first sight" hits you the attraction is irresistible so in that regard he's wrong. The cure is to date a super hot chick who turns out to be a nasty skank bitch that makes your life a nightmare where you become a shell of your former self to the point where your senpai and friends avoid you instead of trying to help, which makes you jaded towards women and their horseshit in general and you don't care about looks anymore, then he would be right again.
It's true for k-selected men only
Yes but only up to a point. Hotness is a lot about presentation, how a woman carries herself, how she dresses and such. A woman that puts too much effort in her looks is a huge red flag.
You're better off marrying a plain and healthy 6 than a 8 or 9 in that wears a ton of makeup and high heels every day.
There's no such thing as K or r selected men. Molymeme is a such a fucking faggot for trying to appropriate this biology concept to humans.
One is for the breeding habbits of frogs and fish where they lay thousands of eggs and abandon and expect 5% to survive to adulthood. The other is when they have 1-2 and invest a few years of resources for them to be fully matured (bears, humans, lions, elephants).
>If personality had nothing to do with attraction
Pic related probably has an operating I.Q. of 85. She's a hardcore cultural marxist and hypocrite. A notorious slut.
I would literally fuck her til my dick bled.
Because she is physically attractive.
She's so physically attractive that I would probably even engage in a relationship with her, knowing full well it was a mistake.
That doesn't mean I see her as a Waifu.
Video related - No idea what she's really like, but the image she projects is super attractive, even though I don't find her physically all that attractive (though she is objectively well put together)
As long as she's 6/10 or higher, looks aren't that important. You'll eventually stop caring about that, specially if you form a family, because, in case you forgot, that's why you're looking for a woman. To impregnate her.
So yeah, good looks aren't that important, if she's 10/10 but she's a cunt then it's another worthless thot. If she's 7/10 and wants kids, then it's a pretty good deal.
This is accurate, but you've got it ass backwards bro.
Fucking true though. Really hot chicks eventually turn in to 5/10's and if their personality is shit you're fucked.
When she's been a pillow biter for several years and then asks you about her ass you will certainly have an increase in sexual attraction fagboy.
If you find yourself in a position to regularly date really hot chicks, like moving to a shit country, something weird happens, you stop caring about looks as much after a while.
Attraction is a lot about chemistry and attainability, you want the most what you can't have, the hottest girl in the room is attractive because having her flatters your ego and reflects on your own value as a man, but when you do it loses its appeal fast.
Not an argument
Arranged marriages are the only answer.
Yeah I wouldn't. I find her repulsing.
So in the end we're talking about personal tastes.
However I've proven that for a part of population what he said may be true.
So his error is the assumption that all people can do this.
This is true, happened to me in Brazil.
>even though I don't find her physically all that attractive
we could take her apart and put it next to the shitskin you godified and she would beat literally every part of that shitskin whore
yes the breasts are indeed smaller but that's it
just look at the subhuman hair,nose,eyes,lips of emily it's a joke compared to taytay
nice tits tho" and that's the only reason she is famous while taytay is a musical genius
Agreed. The patriarchs of 2 families arrange a marriage to cement an alliance or to consolidate business interests.
I'm a drawfag, vast majority of women are very genuinely revolting to me. Proportions of adolescent boys, saggy tits, flat waist, broad shoulders, unmuscular chair-bodies, like planks with excess fat. But shit, even I'm not picky when it comes to fucking, it's purely mechanical
>but when you do it loses its appeal fast.
Wrong, the desire is then simply satisfied. If one is poor a million dollars helps a lot, but if one is very rich then 1 million is only a drop on the hot stone.
It's true to a point if you're very attracted to the personality and the looks aren't that bad.
he is correct to some extent. it's possible but not guaranteed.
you can and i know this from experience.
twice girls who i did not find attractive at all became attractive and sexy to me after a period of social interaction and growing intimacy. you really just have to not be a bitter, 'elbows too pointy' faggot and give people a chance to get to know them and let them get to know you.
>taytay
>musical genius
loooooooool i love pol this place is such a fucking cringe christ on a bicycle
Just get a girl that's both attractive and has a good personality. Why wouldn't you do this?
This is a very unsound, irrational argument. You could be "conditioned" to like her but ultimately, this conditioning will fade and you'll be left with a fat ugly cow. Sounds like he's justifying his own poor life choices.
I don't know how often I or one of my male friends where blinded by a beautiful face.
And how we projected all imaginable merits into such beautiful women when they where really just dumb bimbos.
Look for a smart woman, a strong woman, and if you use drugs - or refrain from fapping - you can fuck pretty much everything. beauty is fleeting.