So what is it that keeps you a NEET and stops you from working, at least minimum wage, for a year or two to get your own land.
1,200 to 2,000 grand an acre it wouldn't be hard to save for a few acres. It seems worth it to me.
Most of the time it just seems that no one gives enough of a shit about themselves, their own ambition, or goals.
What is it that keeps you from just biting the bullet, doing what you need to do, and buying your own slice of heaven.
Do you even have an excuse?
Land is impossibly expensive here.
I can't/won't pay the taxes for it.
>minimum wage
>save
>for arable land
If it's in the middle of nowhere or lightly developed, property taxes can be practically nonexistent, like $100 per year.
>Land is impossibly expensive here.
It's cheap as chips out here in the Maritimes bro.
Move.
I understand land taxes are bullshit. But so is rent. A mortgage, once it is paid, you still pay taxes. I'm not talking a farm, I'm talking 5 acres at best.
It's possible if you work hard enough and are not getting robbed by your land lord.
I have 11 acres and only 7 years left on the mortgage
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Why do you want land? Where do you want it?
What sort of living accommodations are you thinking about?
Doesn't have to be top quality. Where I live the soil is acidic or clay, but it's still possible to amend it over time, build greenhouses, and keep some animals -- all of which can give you enough food to last the year if you have at least an acre or two. Of course if you want to live this way you should buy a house outright, but you can find small ones in remote locations in NS for about $30,000.
You can buy land in the USA if you work minimum wage for a year or two?
Why do people moan about a low minimum wage there then.
Minimum wage here means you will never own your own land.
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To start an orchard, keep bees and chickens. Grow my own food, harvest my own honey and eggs. Live in peace. Have my own kingdom I've built with my own hands. Florida.
A tiny house.
That cheap land has no road access, no power or sewer. Its in remote locations. You buy a lot you get taxed for, sure, but any structure requires permits and $$$
Most North Americans are brainwashed to believe that true fulfillment can only be found in urban living, sadly.
I live in Europe.
>2,000 grand
>grand = thousand
>two thousand thousand
>2 million dollars an acre
is land really this expensive in america? and is minimum wage really high enough to pay for it?
A well for water, or collecting rain.
Solar panels for power.
st century ftw.
People used to eat mostly from their own gardens. My Grandparents bodies grew directly from their soil.
>Why do people moan about a low minimum wage there then.
Because they live in expensive as fuck cities and think they should have all the luxuries of the upper class.
Listen to them going on about a Starbucks coffee each day being the thing that they treat themselves with to make life worth living - they are total retards who spent $4 on a shitty coffee and thus waste around a hundred bucks each month because they fell for the marketing.
And that's just one thing, they have tons of "tiny" expenses each day that could be easily slashed with no diminished quality of life.
How far do you envision yourself from other people? Desolate emptiness and a lack of human contact can really wear people down.
An orchard sounds cool, but trees take a ton of time to grow.
I dont know why anyone would choose to live in a city.
Are you going to have internet out there?
This.
It's a lot of peoples own fault. They lack direction, ambition, dedication, and planning.
A little of each goes a long way.
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Fuckin property taxes man...they're a fucking killer. I got a 1000sq foot house and pay about 2k a year..its not bad here(central oregon) (though I pay about $100/month also in fking housing association fees, total fking ripoff btw). When I was in the bay area...my parents payed 20k/year on property tax..you believe that shit?
Because they've been told that rural areas are shit and boring and only the nightlife in a city allows you that fulfilled existence.
Because getting drunk in a different club each weekend is much different from them getting drunk in the same pub each weekend.
>lack of human contact
I know far more people now living in a rural area than I ever did in the city. You should live near a village or small town, of course, not in the geographic middle of the Yukon. Country people are clannish but genuinely friendly if you aren't condescending and don't make waves in the community.
Land is quite expensive but I am hoping to get some one day. I would love to move away from civilization but my life currently does not support it, maybe I will move onto one when I am older.
I do own land.
How are you going to live there without any water and electricity at your house built out of a used metal container?
I plan on doing Japanese loquats for the long term. African blue basil, pineapple sage, aloe vera, and blue berries for the short term.
I plan on harvesting honey, eggs, and making enriched soil to sell. With a pension, it would be a decent living.
I will pay for everything up front and own it all before I begin.
Thank you for asking. I hope this helps you.
I fucking cringe everytime I meet a person who still goes to clubs past the age of 26.
Some of them aren't filled with niggers. Some Asian cities are a lot of fun.
In general the attraction to cities is women, activity, amenities, wealth, entertainment, art, restaurants, and of course, jobs.
>1,200 to 2,000 grand an acre
It's probably ten times that over here
60K bought me a pioneer house and six acres of land (mixed woods and field, a river running through it) back around the turn of the century, property taxes are about $500 annually. It depends on the county, I think; ours is pretty conservative, and about 99% white, so we're not being taxed out the asshole to pay for Shaniqua's seven kids or whatever.
An acre 10 minutes from town is $1,000. It's not as if you are homesteading in the Klondike.
Are you a potato?
Yes.
Within 30 minutes from a decent city.
>women
The only fair point of that list I'd say. Everything else is also available in rural areas, but women fall hard for the marketing and move away to the cities in droves.
>Min wage: $1400
>Apt: $700
>Elec: $100
>Int: $100
>Ins: $100
>Gas: $50
>Food: $300
>Save: $50
two and a half years to afford 1 acre of shit land
They don't want us to be self sufficient and independent. They want us all to be servile and helpless, like them. The West is crawling with these zombies. They will not leave you alone. We are prisoners of the inferior. Civilization is dysgenic, and a cult. Animals are far more perfect than us, because they live in nature. We are pigs on a farm, mostly.
It means something to know where your body comes from. And no, not Idaho, Alabama.
An orchard, or vineyard, sounds wonderful. Bees are a good idea too. I make good money working 100% from
home so I could potentially live anywhere even if I make little or
no money off of the land, but I do need a good internet connection. Satellite would not cut it.
I've never been to reddit, You nigger.
Research.
That's what I'm talking about.
Wells. Solar panels. A tiny house.
Move.
Sounds like you got your shit straight. Congrats bro.
yes, women are the best reason to live in a city, if you're not married anyway. But that's more for short term relationships, I'm not sure I'd ideally search for a wife in a big city.
The country can't compare to the cities when it comes to art and museums though, or world class people at the top of their games in areas like food and architecture. But none of that is worth living around niggers.
My rural connection is extremely substandard but I can still stream movies or TV, which is all I really care about. And if your ISP isn't top-notch it does give you an incentive to do other things like read or go outside.
I'm genuinely surprised that there's any land to buy at all in the Netherlands
>Sounds like you got your shit straight. Congrats bro.
Thanks. I went from living in a city of five million people to living two miles away from a village of 700, over the space of about five years. It took some getting used to, but now I'd never go back. The only thing I still miss are ethnic restaurants, but I taught myself to cook practically anything so it's not a great loss.
I lived in a place that had no access to DSL/Cable internet when I lived in teh boonies. I was able to get this radio satellite internet shit. It worked ok for doing regular stuff, could watch netshitz and stream illegal movies. Sucked for gaming though. Still...it worked ok. It was a little pricey..but beggers can't be fuckin picky.
Buy the one acre. Move onto it and sleep rough. Work. You save a lot faster. Buy into the land around you. Nothing worth doing was ever done without sacrifice.
Plan big picture.
>>Shit land.
Compost and mend. Holy fuck.
Fuck what they want.
You are the hero of your own story.
You should look into it. If you need any other ideas, i'll give you what I got.
Thank you for your input.
Idaho potato LEL
Or you can live with your parents and save that $1400
Dude, you live in Canada. I live in South East England. Even if you went 1 hours drive maybe it'd be cheap as fuck, outside of the urban and suburban retard (mortgaged-out-their-arse-cuckshed) areas.
In Canada the semi-socialist nature of everything ensures that governments claim high-speed (or "high speed") internet to be a "human right", so they build wireless towers everywhere that are taxpayer subsidized. We're even getting fibre-optic out here in the next couple of years. That said, it took until 2011 for me to get a decent connection, and I suffered for a decade using a 28K modem.
I own two houses, rent one out. My late grandparents farm, but I use that as storage because it's vacant, I'm not a farmer. But I do have a fairly sizable field I plant potatoes, cabbage, carrots. I have strawberry field in my yard and I have a greenhouse where I grow tomatoes and such. I own a plot of forest. I own quite a lot of land around my municipality. Much of it inherited. 7% property tax is a bitch, but I cope just fine.
>7% property tax
That's a typo, right?
Also this. Living with your parents for a bit longer and getting a good basis for your wealth will get you much further than moving out as quickly as possible and being an eternal rent slave.
The profit created by investments starts to increase pretty quickly, if your parents own a house with enough space living with them for a bit longer is a good option to get a headstart over the rest of your generation.
If you get a job the government will stop giving you autismbucks. Best bet is to grow and sell weed on the side.
I wonder if an upscale white suburb/exurb with a big ass yard would be the best of both worlds, if you're not really going to be living off the land. Still potentially room for trees and small-scale farming things like bees and honey. Wealthy horse-farm areas are probably the most beautiful land I have ever seen in the US.
Scandinavia
I used to live on a 70 hectare vineyard/farm, was pretty cool desu famalam.
however most of the people who want to own land and "go country" have an extremely romanticised version of it in their head, its fucking hard work and 90% of the people who think they want to do it would be too softcock to actually be able to handle it
Out of curiosity, how easy is it to actually produce your own food?
By which I mean is how much land do you need to grow enough (apart from meat maybe), how much time do you have to invest and how much money does it save you?
The people I speak to who actually grew up doing the country life tend to say everyone there tend to be depressed, fat, bored alcoholics.
Municipalities in Norway are allowed to charge a property tax between 2 and 7%. They can also choose to not charge a property tax. Unfortunately for me, I live in a municipality with lots of debt, high spending and a small population. So they charge the highest rate. The property tax is of course levied on the property value
I don't understand why Mehrgenerationenfamilienhäuser are not more common in germany.
It's pur win win.
What's the tax in burgerland?
Once again, on the right path. Cooking is a joy when done correctly. Art you can eat. Awesome dude. Not much human contact is needed to keep isolation at bay, good move.
Research.
This. As long as they care you have direction.
It's 2017. It will take you a few years to garner your land. Things will fall into place.
This Man gets it.
>however most of the people who want to own land and "go country" have an extremely romanticised version of it in their head,
Yeah if your idea is to be a fucking farmer, or live completely off grid. Buying land so you can live rent free is still very reasonable and doable.
This is true
I read a book recently stating you can use intensive farming to grow 80% of your own food and make $10k from the surplus on 1/4 acre. Thats growing mostly the valuables and not the cheap stuff (grains) or meat.
Taiwan/int is that u?
Seems ridiicously high if that's per annum admittedly. I just worked mine out for curiositys sake and it's around half that. But it's a urban retard cuckshed.
It's expensive as fuck here and we have totally cucked rules. For example
>Some guy buys land a couple of miles away from me
>It sits opposite some middle class houses
>Applies for (((planning permission)))
>Gets it
>Spends the next few years building a house on his land
>It's this big 3 story thing
>Literally the entire building is finished except for some windows
>Suddenly house owners start crying that it spoils muh view even though they never complained once while it was being built
>Guy tells them this
>They go to the council and complain
>Council suddenly sides with them and tell him he has to tear the house down
>Completely refuses and says they shouldn't have given him permission
>Council says they'll even tear it down for him (for a (((fee))), naturally)
>Guy tells them to get fucked and says if they go on his land he'll have them arrested
>Council offer to buy the land back from him (less than he paid obviously)
>Common tactic they employ that never fails
>Joke's on them because the guy is some millionaire who doesn't need the money and has left the house to the elements for the last decade leaving the people who complained with an even worse view than the one they would have had if they hadn't been jelly someone had more money than them
It's absolute pottery. I think the guy has put the land up for sale since, but no one wants it because they can't build on it. Except the council keep trying to buy it to pull the house down (probably build their own (((apartments))) like usual), but he won't sell it to them just to keep fucking them over.
I hope so, probably it's ‰ or the land value is low.
>So what is it that keeps you a NEET and stops you from working, at least minimum wage, for a year or two to get your own land.
Because land cheap enough for a minimum wage worker is likely shit swamp land that cannot be used for anything but hiding corpses, is located far away from employment, utilities, and emergency services, or the annual cost in taxes is higher than the actual initial cost of said land.
I've heard of people being self-sufficient for food on half an acre, though of course they need extra income to cover their other expenses.
>everyone there tend to be depressed, fat, bored alcoholics
People are depressed, bored, and alcoholic in the cities too; they're just not as fat.
Because the younger generations have been fed this idea that you should move out as quickly as possible to emancipate yourself.
And admittedly, living on your own is pretty great, but no if it comes at the cost of financially crippling yourself for life just to get out a couple years earlier.
I think we'll eventually go back to it though. Our current system just isn't sustainable, you cannot have the state take care of everyone. We will need to shift responsibility back to the family, and once that happens Mehrgenerationenfamilienhäuser will get more popular again.
Also helps build a more permanent wealth for your family since it's an investment that stays for multiple generations.
Taiwan? What?
Since there are some Germans here and this is basically an "escape" thread- do you guys know anything about Liechtenstein? Sounds cozy.
In a city/urban area sure. In anywhere rural Canada is going to be cheap, here 11.56 acres for $119,000 >landwatch.com
The average in my state of wisconsin is 1.76%
>Liechtenstein
Yeah, I know a bit about Liechtenstein. They're full and you're not allowed in.
Yes, sorry. It is ‰
>This. As long as they care you have direction.
please point a direction out from london bruh. the leaf has it in easy mode.
wales seems rainy and welsh.
france.. spain?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there are groups who do this kind of shit as a job. Happens way too frequently to be a coincidence - towards the end of the building project you always suddenly have a bunch of people who figure out that they are against this project which has been going on for years and is nearing completion.
>planning permission
I hate this fucking country so much.
Land is really expensive where I'm at, 0.043 Acres is 20k.
fuckin' hell.
if you didn't get the reference, don't worry m8
If I I'd my own land I wouldn't even know what to do with it, how do I get the skills to live off the land as a lifelong suburbanite?
Unless you can shit money, you'll have troubles getting in.
I own land thanks to my grandpa, but it's on top of an old copper mine. Can't build on it.
No don't use Sup Forums.
That's unironically kind of cheap for residential round here, but sounds around right for agri/woodland.. SE?
>>Joke's on them because the guy is some millionaire who doesn't need the money and has left the house to the elements for the last decade leaving the people who complained with an even worse view than the one they would have had if they hadn't been jelly someone had more money than them
>>It's absolute pottery. I think the guy has put the land up for sale since, but no one wants it because they can't build on it. Except the council keep trying to buy it to pull the house down (probably build their own (((apartments))) like usual), but he won't sell it to them just to keep fucking them over.
Jokes on them, he was only pretending.
Assume for the sake of argument I already know that I can move there- what's it like?
Ha. My dad's a builder and I can confirm that people like this are frequent nightmares in the trade. Planning permission also takes fucking forever sometimes. When my dad built our family house, it took about 2 years just to get permission to have a balcony on the 1st floor.
Why do they do this? pls expln
I dont know how it works in burgerland but over here city people are WAY fatter and more alcoholic on average, Im also pretty sure that a lot of the country people I met were to stupid to have depression
Buy my own land? And drive out to it when? And you tell people at minimum wage they can afford it? Where? The Midwest? Empty lots in my city cost over $100,000 sometimes. Who the F are you kidding? Who has time for a tiny plot of land in the distance they can rarely visit, can rarely afford, and which will probably be used as an illegal dumping site for trash from shitty contractors looking to not dispose of their waste properly? Or as a grow field for drug dealers who see nobody's paying attention? Shall we have fun with federal forfeiture laws now? How to incur legal liability for what occurs on your property while you're not looking? F that. I want land desperately, but I don't want all the problems that I see between me and having it. Can't even have a fucking garden where I live. People throw cigarette butts and bottle caps into potted plants, and god knows what else the fuckers do.