Theory: National Socialists are overwhelmingly ex liberals of some form as they remain altruistic and...

Theory: National Socialists are overwhelmingly ex liberals of some form as they remain altruistic and selfless/collective oriented but simply isolated to their own race, and conservatives/libertarians are the actual enemies due to having a complete mindset and perspective on life that is incompatible with national socialism. The rate at which conservatives/libertarians make the jump to national socialism is so meager that the main thing keeping nat soc down is its incorrectly viewing conservatives/libertarians as the population to attempt conversion.

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youtu.be/jcUZrDX5P7A
mises.org/blog/must-libertarians-be-individualists
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutterite
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wrath_of_God
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Gustloff
youtu.be/omfTWRuwRyk
youtube.com/watch?v=reAvWtL4ecE
twitter.com/AnonBabble

I have a better theory. They're mostly unemployed virgins with no self-awareness as to why they're in their current predicament and blame their issues on externalities.

Every time I'm reading one of the NatSoc threads and personal lives come up it turns out they're all unemployed and can't find their qt3.14. In the last thread I was reading, two of them were 30+ years old and had never had a job before.

A valid analysis, though a bit shallow, because a number of former natsocs, including myself, had libertarian phases, and I know quite a few conservatives who've came over. The enemies are so-called conservative politicians and voters who are just Republican partisans or globalist capitalist true believers.

>projection
>strawman
>unsubstantiated claims
This is what leftists think is a good post.
"You're just poor virgins" is the weakest, most uninspired non-argument in the leftist arsenal and the one they most fallback on when they come across a subject of which they are totally ignorant.

We all read the comments in those NatSoc threads. You're clearly compensating.

And the classic retort "projecting!!!" has become the NatSoc autistic version of "takes one to know one!!" How are you so self-unaware?

I've start to come to this idea as I debate libertarians/conservatives more and more but it's completely anecdotal on my part of course.

What are you talking about? Extreme ad hominem?

You're completely avoiding debating the ideology to attack some ad hominem example that you have simply stated with no evidence.

To retort the only remnant of an argument that you have
>They're mostly unemployed virgins with no self-awareness as to why they're in their current predicament and blame their issues on externalities.
You're already making the error that this is an individualism motivated ideology. It is not about our individual predicament that motivates one to national socialism. That would be something more like marxism/communism in which an individual feels their life sucks and the rich have the wealth to make it better so it should be taken to achieve that goal.

A national socialist comes to the realization that they need to avert the extinction of their race. It's a collective motivated ideology.

Excuse me, but I wasn't the one that cried "projection!!!".

My evidence is reading the NatSoc threads and seeing how many self-admitted unemployed loners there are in. I'm going to derive my opinion out of what I've noticed, sorry if your butthurt over it

Going by that "argument" I can just the same say I've seen every other type of ideology general thread and say I've seen a bunch of loner neets crying.

>We all
Stopped reading there, try rational arguments with evidence not fallacious bullshit.

Oh there are plenty of libertardians and conservatives that are completely dense and not worth the effort, mostly Boomer types who think they know it all but have been sheltered from the integration their children and grandchildren had imposed on them.
It's exposure to diversity that seems the biggest factor in someone accepting or agreeing with our ideals and premises.

you sound like you're 16 years old. Have you ever picked up a book that wasn't all pictures?

I hope one of us do find the " algorithm " one day. A tried and true manner which rapidly awakens our own to come to a similar realization of ours. I'm actually fine with Rlibertarian/ancaps when they say averting our racial extinction is a goal they have as well but then it starts to fall apart when they say they don't believe in taxation.....

oh my fucking god this thread just happened to start check out all the betas

Look at this thread right here you faggots
A thread full of virgins and betamales. This is your community

What does that have to do with National Socialism when the only people who are going to reply to such a thread are r_the_donald or normies

It's generally about character traits. If you are not altruistic by nature, then you wouldn't be a good national socialist. Being altruistic is an alpha trait since it implies that you have trust in your ability to sustain yourself AND to give to your community. It's why libertarians are always scrawny and beta. They are insecure about their abilities so they need some "helicopter rides" to protect the property that deep down they feel like they don't deserve.

the_donald are civic nationalists. That thread is about saving the white race. Guaranteed they are all NatSoc white nationalists aka unemployed virgins I was talking about.

stay in denial fag. you got btfo

ur half right

im a KHV who cant find a qt3.14 but im also a retired millionaire at age 26

im a natsoc

You need to lurk more and realize what are shit post threads that only newfags or normies reply to and what are actual political discussion.

You seem unable to debate yourself, so lurk more.

Oh wow, you and your /leftypol/ buddies made the oldest falseflag thread in the book, such ironclad evidence!

nice. howd you get that coin?

Interesting.

I converted to natsoc from libertarian when I realized that the jews were a much bigger problem than I first realized. The only way we can take them on is by uniting. After the jewish control over our countries is gone we can become much more minarchist with some protections against jews regaining power.

get a job

crypto

We get that you don't read books so you don't know history or philosophy and can't argue points of policy or ideology and have to resort to "everyone I don't like is a bitter virgin REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Australia's public education system must be absolutely abysmal.

Wow, you're really showing me, user, showing me you're a sub-90 IQ moron. Are you perhaps part Abo?

Only Hoppean libertarians, the only acceptable libertarians, support helicopter rides and physical removal. The rest believe in their faggy NAP.

Yes, once a period of cultural instilling has taken place it's possible the state can recede.

I personally do not have a loyalty to an economic system or even ideology but just the loyalty to my people and the responsibility to avert their extinction. In my eyes libertarianism proves inferior to nat soc in this goal, but if libertarianism/ancap manages to prove itself I would have no issue going along with it.

the threads literally admit to being full of unemployed virgins. There's one going right now which I just linked to you. This guy here admits to being an hugless kissless virgin and NatSoc. Face the facts faggot

An abo is more likely to have a job and have sex with a white woman than most of the NatSoc community on pol

thanks for bumping, feels good knowing you have no arguments and are just here to bump for me

youtu.be/jcUZrDX5P7A Fuck off NAP fag.

what's crypto?

For myself I don't have a loyalty to my people so much as desire taking away power from the people who are controlling the world, and white nationalism is the best way to do that.

i love how a lolbertarian instantly calls everyone a commiebor bootlicker adhoms

Hmmm yes I sometimes worry about the iq aspect, in that the jews being 110 average iq and whites 100 it could mean the jews are playing on different level of chess than we realize.
Similar to how whites on native american reserves have a higher iq and thus gravitate to chief/leader positions and the only way for a native majority to prevent this from happening is to enforce racism.

I mean they were smart enough to come up with the concept of anti-Semitism and insane conspiracy theories as covers for their schemes so they certainly are playing on another level.

I just don't want white people to be minorities at the whims of subhuman niggers and muslims.

Hmmmmm, obviously this fallacious for a number of reason. For anyone out there who might be swayed by anecdote.

I have dabbled to say the least and I have a full time job at 20, a long term relationship and am in the process of starting my own business.

Also, I agree with OP, I'm an ex liberal and I think NatSoc is far better suited to those on the left then those on the right. Natsoc is misconstrued as a far-right ideology when really its a middle ground.

I would say that right wingers are attracted to fascism before Natsoc. That's because Natsoc focusses on the tribal aspect of human nature rather than dominance hierarchies. Therefore it's socialist.

>the thread says
>that's proof
>totally anonymous posters who could be anyone, most likely false flagging antifa and shariablue shills, are really really proof
Sure thing, kiddo!

Is this even really a theory? Of course libertarianism and national socialism aren't compatible. Just because both are considered "right wing" by mainstream society does not mean they are allies. And I say this as a libertarian.

I should point out though, libertarians have absolutely no quarrels with collectivism so long as it is voluntary. Communes, collective healthcare, social security, and etc. would all be allowed given that the participants agree to it. So if you do actually get a group of people that are altruistic, selfless, and white identitarian, you can create a society that libertarians can't object to.

I wish we could somehow measure the JQ so we could come to a rational understanding of it. Obviouslyt the evidence is overwhelming but its not as simple as race realism. It's a hard thing to accept because it has far reaching consequences and I don't consider myself hateful, but if the JQ is a reality, then it fills me with hate. I wish I could look at a graph that is conclusive.

>inb4 over representation, an opponent will just argue higher IQ therefore its not conclusive

The only thing I really see as undeniable is how our entire monetary system is by default a giant farce.

To follow up, the idea that libertarianism is strictly individualistic is a complete meme. I recommend this article that talks about methodological individualism and practical individualism.

mises.org/blog/must-libertarians-be-individualists

Indeed. But it's hard to imagine Nat Soc society not breaking what libertarians consider N.A.P .

One example is the Hutterites are a pacifist religious group of Germans who had to leave Germany when the NSDAP came into power because Hutterites did not want to pay war tax or have their men be conscripted and so they were persecuted for these pacifist ideals.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutterite

Can we remember the original argument. I have been saying this for a while. I don't want to have an argument about how a fascist ideology is idolized by NEETs when the entire thing is based on self-improvement and superiority. Of course it attracts these people, but it doesn't even come close to rebutting the ideologies principles. It's just an argument designed to attack who you choose to associate with. This is ridiculous given that NatSocs are the most ostracized ideological group.

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I agree that many people "begin" as liberals.
>myself included during undergrad
>Based Colbert! & Based Jon Stewart etc.

However, I disagree about the inability to convert lolbergs and conservatives.
>I was raised conservative, even though I got brainwashed in late highschool/ early college
>after I picked a non-retard major, I got out of the leftist echo chamber and drifted to lolbertarianism a year or two before coming here

I may be an "ex-liberal", but I'm also an ex-conservative and an ex-libertarian.
>pic somewhat related

I can see how the conversion process may be simpler for a select-few liberals, but I think MORE conservatives/libertarians are ultimately susceptible.
>it's really hard to make a liberal admit/accept race, but once they do we're the only option that makes sense to them
>Lolbergs might already understand race, but need to be converted to a whole new viewpoint on economics, and government.

Now THIS is what I call a good post

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>Indeed. But it's hard to imagine Nat Soc society not breaking what libertarians consider N.A.P .
If your natsocs were altruistic, selfless, and collective oriented as you say they are, you wouldn't need to violate the NAP to get your way, would you?

>One example is the Hutterites are a pacifist religious group of Germans who had to leave Germany when the NSDAP came into power because Hutterites did not want to pay war tax or have their men be conscripted and so they were persecuted for these pacifist ideals.
If you're the rightful owner of the land you can exile anyone you want out (although I don't think this necessarily applies to this example, but you get what I mean). In a libertarian society, borders are only as open as the property owners want them to be.

If you were to say, take your neighbors property through force, then of course that wouldn't be allowed.

Yes. There comes a point when the JQ actually becomes scary when you begin to understand they have the best assassination capabilities in the world and there was actually mass national socialist leadership assassinations going on in the 30's outside of Germany. Or when Mossad showed its capability after the Munich Massacre.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wrath_of_God

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Gustloff

I think it's possible for both sides to convert, which points somewhat towards it's superiority as a wordlview. One might argue that it's simply a compromise therefore, but I think that if you look at the modern left and right, they seem to be two broken halves of National Socialism, with a number of contradictory things attached to them.

E.g. Nationalism with an economic policy predicated on individualism.

Socialism with a social policy predicated on open borders and the deconstruction of the state for economic purposes.

dont worry about that, there is a a lot more white geniuses, the issue is they arent on the right side

I have never feared being political until I started considering National Socialism. I went through a short stage of idolising communist revolutionaries, even for there chutzpah alone. And, I'd happily espouse social policy and worker revolutions, regardless of how much death and destruction the core ideology was responsible for.

Today, I genuinely fear the consequences of simply thinking a certain political ideology was onto something.

Well you could argue that simply being a Natsoc would lead to violent opposition, which would lead to retaliation.

>Natsocs are all NEET virgins
>My proof is a Sup Forums thread were people admit to being NEET virgins

Be honest, how new are you?

Also, I'd like to say that I went down the exact same path. It feels like its an uncommon one given that most people talking about libertarians as being the most likely to convert.

Yes. If this thread is an indicator it would prove my theory incorrect since there are only ex libertarians itt. It's an anecdotal theory I had simply because I went immediately from social democrat to national socialist.

I mean, if antifa were to attack natsocs peacefully espousing their views, libertarians wouldn't really care if they unloaded lead on every commie there.

Well done m8. I'm almost ready to swallow the crypto pill. Any up & comers you like?

cryptocurrencies like bitcoin

if you want slow and steady gains then stick to ethereum

I think it gives you an better grasp of NatSoc because you don't get caught up in false dichotomy such as socialism = communism.

You probably had an inkling like I did that finance was a source of exploitation. I think communists cut this off short by saying all capitalists are therefore exploiters. I think this is fundementally false.

The only exploiters are the central banks, as they create something of value out of nothing and enslave the whole world with their creation.

Is this the U S E F U L I D I O T Hoffer was talking about in True Believer?

Regarding economics I have adopted socrates quote " true knowledge is knowing that you know nothing "
commies are the most arrogant because they believe reading das kapital - they have completely mastered economics at the age of 22 or something. I wish to avoid such an arrogant mistake. This is what I am comfortable with national socialism even more because Hitler utilized both markets/privatization and economic authoritarianism. Whichever seemed best for the situation. It's another issue I have with ancap because they are always against economic authoritarianism. Sort of the opposite side of commies but the same issue.

Its well known that NatSoc and most fasisct ideologies don't believe in an uniting economy theory such as communism. This can be troubling for people.

Take socialism for example. Libertarians believe it can't ever work, while communists think its the answer to everything.

My view is simply that some social policies see a return on investment when it comes to the wealth and health of the populace and some don't.

For example, the Nazis would reward prosocial behaviour such as marriage. Where as today we reward behaviour such as single motherhood.

I try to think about it from the perspective of a investor, rather than from moral point of view.

Yes that fits well. Looking at it like an investor.

A lot of them are libertarians who realize that their ideology doesn't work in a world controlled by Jews.

If you actually look at fascist doctrine, the ideal state is 'an organic one' ie a meritocracy upheld by an adherence to the truth. It's essentially what libertarians want. Its Logos as a political ideology. I guess the reason why Fascism seems to come about as totalitarianism is because the truth has been subverted to such a degree that any semblance of a healthy culture (as in a a culture that contributes to the ongoing survival of the people who adhere to it) is lost, and has to be forcefully reinstated. This is a difficult thing to come to terms with as we know that therefore we rely on the people with absolute power to dictate the truth.

Do you watch Murdoch Murdoch?

youtu.be/omfTWRuwRyk

I guess I do now. I have heard of it a couple of times. The basic gestalt?

It's literally /ourguys/ and I like to spread their stuff. now that they've started averaging 100k views. Word of mouth.

The way I see it, it all boils down the fundamental focus of both "left" and "right" being flawed and, not congruent with human nature.
National Socialists value about the tribe/the race that forms a society.
>which makes sense for a species that evolved a tribal, hierarchal society.
Libertarians value "the individual" even to the detriment of the society as a whole. Leftists only care about "equality", regardless of how the society is affected.

Glad to have you aboard. I've also mostly encountered former libertarians, so it's always nice to see we're making progress on both fronts.

thats a good quote

>Libertarians value "the individual" even to the detriment of the society as a whole
source? the civil rights act destroyed individual rights. collectivim sure is great!

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What does the civil rights act have to do with the core principles of libertarianism/anarcho capitalism?

It was passed by "conservatives" and "liberals" supposedly.

society should work for the benefit of the family, not the individual. thats what feminism is.

i've come to national socialism from a liberal place. I still don't agree that homosexuality is degenerate, as long as it is kept in stable families.
but yes, altruism, looking out for each other, pride in self and country, working together and supporting each other is important. Making sure children get a good civilising (education) and good food is essential, and borders should be open for tourism but closed for all but the most skilled migration. Culture is fragile, as is civilisation and we are about the lose it all.
Anyone who supports usury and greed, be they conservative or libertarian, is perforce an enemy, although discussion is probably the best method for reconciliation.

what if believe i could sustain me and someone else but just dont want to?

You probably don't realise how much you are supported by others in the first place. But sure be a hermit, we have always had them, but it won't change anything because its not the norm.

There is no greater joy than helping the people you care about.

Nobody is asking you to pay for 5 families while they sit back and relax, it's about the entire community coming together and doing their part.

youtube.com/watch?v=reAvWtL4ecE

what happens if you stop paying taxes right now in real life