/cg/ Christian General May 10, 2017 edition

For all Christians, and for those searching, too.

If anyone would like to contribute to this /thread, just add a source and I'll vet and add to the next post.

VERSE OF THE DAY
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
> pic related

Exegesis: biblestudytools.com/commentaries/john-darbys-synopsis-of-the-new-testament/2-peter/2-peter-3.html

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FOR THOSE QUESTIONING
> beliefmap.org/
For navigating life's biggest questions

APOLOGETICS
> reasonablefaith.org/
Providing an articulate, intelligent voice in defending biblical Christianity in the public square

APOLOGETICS VIDEOS
> The Moral Argument: Can You Be Good Without God?
youtube.com/watch?v=OxiAikEk2vU

> The Ontological Argument (ontology: the study of the nature of being and existence)
youtube.com/watch?v=xBmAKCvWl74

SCHOLARSHIP
> The Resurrection Argument That Changed a Generation of Scholars - Gary Habermas at UCSB
youtube.com/watch?v=ay_Db4RwZ_M

DEBATES
> Does God Exist? William Lane Craig vs. Christopher Hitchens - Full Debate
youtube.com/watch?v=0tYm41hb48o

CHRISTIANITY VS. OTHER RELIGIONS/WORLDVIEWS
> The Concept of God in Islam and Christianity, William Lane Craig | National Religious Broadcasters Convention
youtube.com/watch?v=BcYd7U4z1os

ONLINE BIBLE RESOURCES
> biblegateway.com/
Read, hear, and study Scripture at the world's most-visited Christian website. Grow your faith with devotionals, Bible reading plans, and mobile apps.

> biblestudytools.com/
Free online Bible website for verse search and in-depth studies.

> theopedia.com/
An encyclopedia of Biblical Christianity.

Other urls found in this thread:

beliefmap.org/
jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Roman Catholicism/catholic_heresies-a_list.htm
theopedia.com/atonement-of-christ
amazon.com/Normal-Christian-Life-Watchman-Nee/dp/0842347100
youtube.com/watch?v=tDetK0IiLtY
churchformen.com/men-and-church/where-are-the-men/
youtube.com/watch?v=CXG4Svioys0&t=1m47s
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

Doesn't religious pandering belong on a different board like Sup Forums? It'd fit in better with all the other trash

>beliefmap.org/
this site's interface is really confusing, but the resources i accidentally navigated to are pretty interesting

As a Gnostic whenever I see somebody quoting the "Lord" I cringe inside.

Gnostics are basically angsty teenagers who think they're better than everyone else

>Doesn't religious pandering belong on a different board like Sup Forums? It'd fit in better with all the other trash
No. /pol is filled with "politically incorrect" topics, among them, various schools of thought, such as socialism, communism, nat soc, etc etc. A /cg/ thread is a part of the broad community interests.

>ban christian dialogue

wonder who is behind this post

Thanks

Just a Catholic boy

jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Roman Catholicism/catholic_heresies-a_list.htm

theopedia.com/atonement-of-christ
>12 different theories

which one do catholics hold to?

>Wax Candles introduced in church
why is this a heresy?

When will god finally give me a gf?

theyre supposed to be made of animal fat according to gods law

i'm not seeing that passage anywhere

>When will god finally give me a gf?
Prayer worked for me, user.

I wouldn't get bogged down too much in details. It's what causes schisms.

I ordered these books:
Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis, The Ignatius Bible (Leather bound, RSV), Baltimore Catechism Full Set. and Catechism of the Council of Trent.

I'm really excited.

>Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis
Good reading. You might also enjoy The Normal Christian Life by Watchman Nee
amazon.com/Normal-Christian-Life-Watchman-Nee/dp/0842347100

im actually surprised this wasnt a thing sooner since Sup Forums seems to be learning towards Christianity these days

I'm not even a christian but revelation 3:9 has been echoing in my head a lot these days

White gets in trouble with the Hanegraaff controvery again youtube.com/watch?v=tDetK0IiLtY

That's because it's true.

I've been seeing generals like this for years.

most generals ive seen around here are obvious troll ones like islam general. this is the first time ive seen a christian one.

id be more of a help to try to keep it alive but i dont know enough about the bible

It feels like this is actually pretty relevant lately.

Is it a sin to have a waifu?

If you masturbate to her, yup.

>Is it a sin to have a waifu?
A real (ie, 3D) woman is the way to go, user.

I think it is best to avoid waifuism as a whole.

most churches have 60-80% female members, why would you want a stuffed animal if you aren't a drooling retard? try leaving your house once in a while...

>
>most churches have 60-80% female members
True. See: churchformen.com/men-and-church/where-are-the-men/

The men are at the conservative SSPX parish. Protestantism is too liberal for them.

What if I don't?
Makes sense, Catholicism is the religion for men who bang men

Catholic Church refuses to marry gays and won't give communion to active gays. Meanwhile protestant churches marry gays and have openly gay bishops.

>Meanwhile protestant

maybe degenerate sects

baptist dont

>Catholic Church refuses to marry gays and won't give communion to active gays
For now
>protestant churches
Liberal churches*.
Not a single bible believing church is pro-sodomy.

PART 1

About the Mark of the Beast

If it weren't a physical mark you need to get that person to speak "hail the antichrist and satan" EVERYTIME HE BUYS SOMETHING

Which means it must be a physical mark. "Worship the beast and receives his mark" NOT "receiving the mark BY worshiping the beast."

This means the mark is not spiritual because that spiritual act is denoted by "Worshiping the beast."
>So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth, and harmful and painful sores came upon the people who bore the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.

The mark causes a severe allergic reaction. And physical corruption. The worship is spiritual corruption. They are separate.

>And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

This verse says "receives". If you did received a mark, but not "receives it"any longer, then you are not cast into the fire. Because the condition is PRESENT TENSE not PAST, because you removed it
from yourself.
>Λαμβανει = Receives
Strong's G2983 for meaning and G5719 for tense.

See what Jesus Says on the matter.

PART 2

Sermon on the Mount
>If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

>And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell of fire.

This verse is about mystery cults in the ancient world, Deuteronomy also makes note of this, It is saying "I am owned by you". By cutting off the mark you are saying you renouncing your membership.

>You shall not make any cuts on your body for the dead or tattoo yourselves: I am the Lord.

Cuts were made in lamentation. Tattoos are forbidden because of cults exclusively.

Eleusinian mysteries the Most popular of all cults, and the one that inspired many others.
Foot - Eleusinian mysteries, and many other rituals have sacred "foot paths" they had to walk, usually to water. This means markings on the feet applied in many cults because many had sacred footpaths.

Halade Mystai - Means "To the sea initiates!" A necessary and "sacred" footpath for ritual bathing.
Eyes -Eye tattoos of the cornea have existed well over two thousand years.
Epoptês : "one who has seen," an initiate
Mystês which is the root of MYSTERY: "one who is [whose eyes are] closed," someone to be initiated

>"Blessed is he among earthbound men, who has been privileged to see the mysteries."
- Hymn to Demeter 480

PART 3

Christianity is centered around freeing people from the obligation to sin. Cults included.

>Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

>So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

>The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
>because he has anointed me
>to proclaim good news to the poor.
>He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives
>and recovering of sight to the blind,
>to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
>to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.”

PART 4

>Then I saw thrones, and on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

This paragraph above shows that those ONLY who did not receive the mark AND DIED during the tribulation will be a part of the 1st resurrection, and become priests in the temple and kings.
ANYONE who goes through the tribulation and survives without the mark presently will live a normal life.
People who take it on the forehead will be the most lunatic people, like people who do body augmentation putting horns on their head, also people who take it in the arm means "obligation" but in the forehead it means "belief". Also people can become saints by their head being CUT OFF for worshiping Jesus Christ.

So those who had the mark in their head can become resurrected if they become martyrs. It is the only way to remove that mark.

PART 5

Pic related

Something like this may be available during the tribulation or shortly afterwards because of people removing the mark of the beast. God gives mercy and love.

God Bless

>A real (ie, 3D) woman is the way to go, user.

i think you are on to something here

Matthew 5
>27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

>the elements will be destroyed by fire
Your kike god is really fucking stupid

Silly Goy, You can't commit adultery when you lust after someone who doesn't exist YET but will.

Who are you quoting?

false teachers....

why do you think 666 is in everything ? because the devil wants to confuse you from the real 666 , satan is not omniscience he can only respond after the fact

Nobody knows when the end times will come, because it will come as a thief in the night.

This is the jew way finding loopholes

Matthew 15
>Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? 4For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. 5But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; 6And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. 7Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

That's the return of Jesus. The saints will know when we are in the time of the end.

>it will come as a thief in the night.
for those who arent awake and who arent watching

> 37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Who knew that the end was soon comming? noah so the elect will also probably know when its near

1 Thess 5:2-9
2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

The Bible verse in op's picture

Oy vey, You typical protestants, always saying anyone who desagrees with you is a false teacher. how about you actually refute me with the letter of the text instead of sprouting nonsense like a stupid goy. Think it through, how are you going to execute the law without a literal mark

Love isn't lust, user

>Also people can become saints by their head being CUT OFF for worshiping Jesus Christ.

oy vey you are just pulling shit right out your ass , better to say nothing then become a false teacher and go to hell because you shitposted on 4 chan

>Not Roman Catholic

Calvin writes: “But because the necessity of Stoicism seems to be established by what is said, the dogma is hateful to many who, and Augustine complains that he was frequently charged with it falsely. But it ought now to be regarded as obsolete. It is certainly unworthy of honest and wise men, if only they be properly instructed. The nature of the Stoics’ supposition is known. They weave their fate out of a Gordian complex of causes. In this they involve God Himself, making golden chains, as in the fable, with which to bind Him, so that He becomes subject to inferior causes. The astrologers of today imitate the Stoics, for they hold that an absolute necessity for all things originates from the position of the stars. Let the Stoics have their fate; for us, the free will of God disposes all things. Yet it seems absurd to remove contingency from the world. I omit to mention the distinctions employed in the schools. What I hold is, in my judgment, simple, and needs no force to accommodate it usefully to life. What necessarily happens is what God decrees, and is therefore not exactly or of itself necessary by nature.” (Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, pp.169-170, emphasis mine)

Protestantism

136 days until the rapture

hope so

fuck this gay earth

Not only do we not know when they end times begin, but the rapture will be 3 and a 1/2 years into them.

ATTENTION ALL NATIONALISTS
BIBI IS A KEK AND MOST BE TAKEN DOWN
MEET BASED MOSHE
THE MAN WHO CAN MAKE ISRAEL GREAT AGAIN
LETS MEME HIM INTO POWER

What does that have to do with anything?

Make Israel non-existant again

>early Christians don't worship saints
Meanwhile....

www.christogenea.org/essays

...

is this document from the spirit or is it from the world?

Heresy, damnable heresy

>protestants hate history as usual

>Polycarp
>martyred for believing in Christ
>evil
PRODDIE logic

Protestantism is heresy

Just ask CALVIN

Calvin writes: “But because the necessity of Stoicism seems to be established by what is said, the dogma is hateful to many who, and Augustine complains that he was frequently charged with it falsely. But it ought now to be regarded as obsolete. It is certainly unworthy of honest and wise men, if only they be properly instructed. The nature of the Stoics’ supposition is known. They weave their fate out of a Gordian complex of causes. In this they involve God Himself, making golden chains, as in the fable, with which to bind Him, so that He becomes subject to inferior causes. The astrologers of today imitate the Stoics, for they hold that an absolute necessity for all things originates from the position of the stars. Let the Stoics have their fate; for us, the free will of God disposes all things. Yet it seems absurd to remove contingency from the world. I omit to mention the distinctions employed in the schools. What I hold is, in my judgment, simple, and needs no force to accommodate it usefully to life. What necessarily happens is what God decrees, and is therefore not exactly or of itself necessary by nature.” (Concerning the Eternal Predestination of God, pp.169-170, emphasis mine)

Bet you didn't even read the evidence

Protip: NT was written in Greek, not English. OT in Hebrew, not English. Mistranslations have universalized what was always an exclusivist message.

...

>I can't face the truth

All the church fathers conrradict sola fide

None can prove me wrong

Galatians is clear that blood makes no impact on one's relationship with God, and not one jot or tittle of scripture supports the idea Israelites were white. They were Shemites, whites are Japhethites.

And protestantism still comtradicts the early Cjurch fathers

So you didn't read any of the evidence.

>and not one jot or tittle of scripture supports the idea Israelites were white

Lamentations 4:7
Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:

>there is no priesthood in early christian
Meanwhile.....

"Since then these things are manifest to us, and we have looked into the depths of the divine knowledge, we ought to do in order all things which the Master commanded us to perform at appointed times. He commanded us to celebrate sacrifices and services, and that it should not be thoughtlessly or disorderly, but at fixed times and hours. He has Himself fixed by His supreme will the places and persons whom He desires for these celebrations, in order that all things may be done piously according to His good pleasure, and be acceptable to His will. So then those who offer their oblations at the appointed seasons are acceptable and blessed, but they follow the laws of the Master and do not sin. For to the high priest his proper ministrations are allotted, and to the priests the proper place has been appointed, and on Levites their proper services have been imposed. The layman is bound by the ordinances for the laity."

Source: St. Clement, bishop of Rome, 80 A.D., to the Corinthians

"Our sin will not be small if we eject from the episcopate those who blamelessly and holily have offered its Sacrifices."

Source: Letter to the Corinthians, [44,4]

There is plenty of evidence that protestants contradict the early church fathers

Double wrong.

Double wrong is protestantism

You're retarded and responding to something I'm not even talking about, as usual you eternal dip

>early Christians reject the real presence
Meanwhile....

"Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead."

"Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.

"Come together in common, one and all without exception in charity, in one faith and in one Jesus Christ, who is of the race of David according to the flesh, the son of man, and the Son of God, so that with undivided mind you may obey the bishop and the priests, and break one Bread which is the medicine of immortality and the antidote against death, enabling us to live forever in Jesus Christ."

-"Letter to the Ephesians", paragraph 20, c. 80-110 A.D.

You are a silly proddie

I meant the white race, not the skin color broadly called 'white'. Many Shemite peoples bear great resemblance to Japhethites.
Galatians 3:28
Feel free to use your own words like an adult.

>No man knows...

youtube.com/watch?v=CXG4Svioys0&t=1m47s

Protestantism contradict the early christians

You're a trap, Malaysian?

if the bible is true then so is quran

debate me fools

>Galatians 3:28
???

1 Timothy 4:10: "That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of ALL PEOPLE, and especially of those who believe."

"This food we call the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake except one who believes that the things we teach are true, and has received the washing for forgiveness of sins and for rebirth, and who lives as Christ handed down to us. For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus."

"First Apology", Ch. 66, inter A.D. 148-155.

"God has therefore announced in advance that all the sacrifices offered in His name, which Jesus Christ offered, that is, in the Eucharist of the Bread and of the Chalice, which are offered by us Christians in every part of the world, are pleasing to Him."

"Dialogue with Trypho", Ch. 117, circa 130-160 A.D.

Moreover, as I said before, concerning the sacrifices which you at that time offered, God speaks through Malachias, one of the twelve, as follows: 'I have no pleasure in you, says the Lord; and I will not accept your sacrifices from your hands; for from the rising of the sun until its setting, my name has been glorified among the gentiles; and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a clean offering: for great is my name among the gentiles, says the Lord; but you profane it.' It is of the sacrifices offered to Him in every place by us, the gentiles, that is, of the Bread of the Eucharist and likewise of the cup of the Eucharist, that He speaks at that time; and He says that we glorify His name, while you profane it."

-"Dialogue with Trypho", [41: 8-10]

Protestant btfo

>I can't answer any of the argument

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:36

No. You're wrong and I don't care to make you right.

Protestantism is still false

Yes. Watch the video. It's a comprehensive takedown of the usual interpretation of that verse.

Basically, jesus was talking in present tense. Then, in 31 AD, no one knew, then jesus died and ascended and the father told him and he told paul so that he could reveal it and he gave further info to john in his (jesus') revelation.

Protestants are so retarded that they claim things like "Catholics add books to the bible" when they were the ones that removed them lol and "You worhip Mary! That's evil!" Even though veneration of Mary goes back to the beginning of the Church! There's a reason there's a million different proddie denominations! Because they all believe different things, thus they are all wrong.